Who believes that an Orwellian type of state is on the cards for the next ten years.Why should you be concerned, We will lose our freedom, everything will be tightly controlled (you think its bad now with nanny state), you wont be able to fart without being taxed, your pension funds will be raided by the banking elite, possible eugenics with population reduction policies will be in force, a one child policy will probably be the law, the internet will be no better than the old teletext service with very limited sites (controlled and regulated sites only), communist like work camps will be the norm......sorry I could go on and on, but I dont mean to scare you all, just warn you of what could happen.i think you are off the right track..it will be far more subtle than that. we are already in a new world order, with international criminal courts, globalisation, the eradication of border security for individual countries etc. the western governments are eradicating more and more freedoms everyday under the guise of anti terrorism legislation. however, we still live under the illusion that we are free to speak and express ourselves in any way we see fit. the current british government and it's policies have rolled back more individual rights and freedoms than any previous UK government in modern history..
Its seems that nobody is disagreeing with me reallyDoes this mean that we are all accepting being rules by one world government, not forgetting that too much power leads to corruption
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I think NWO may be taking things too far robbyr but you're right about people accepting their lot. The thing is tho' we've become complacent because we've had it easy for a number of years - we've become "fat" and "well fed" (metaphorically speaking) but experience tells me that a hungry man is an angry man and an angry man will fight. That "hunger", IMO, is just around the corner if governments keep f**king things up and keep bailing out the banking elite. Therefore, I can't see it ever, (quite), getting to the future you describe without a proper fight.I hope this makes sense.
This NWO thing looks quite creepy tho
LOL But dudes, American top politics and american Elite are going into forest every year. They are burning huge owl statue and are pretending like they are burning human too. They wear red and black robes in forest ! THIS IS SICK ! And they are TOP POLTICS, top FBI agents and etc etc. They are very weird people ! Their group is called Bohemian Grove. Alex Jones sneaked into their party and filmed that everything ! I can give u this documental film link tomorrow if u want to.
Alex jones is a fraud and mike reviero has exposed him so has boyln smith,
Yes this is correct, people who listen to and watch the tv and bbc news propergander, people who are mindnumbed by soap opera`s, and women who's life is all about buying clothes.
What is it with the slagging off of BBC News, yet no-one ever mentions the wankers from Sky?
Taken as read for Sky but the BBC put on a convincing intellectual front and people seem to forget that the BBC's bosses are the UK government.
Yes this is correct, people who listen to and watch the tv and bbc news propergander....
"The world is governed by people far different from those imagined by the public." Benjamin Disraeli
But then again, the General Publics imagination isn't up too much.
Oh, I dunno...they have accepted dozens of previously "BAD" people as soon as their government told them what to think.Like, "OK we'll give guns to the viet minh, so that they can fight the French, who are notionally our allies""OK, the French have moved out, so we need to fight against the weapons we just gave them""Oh, and we also need a new nickname for them that sounds a bit evil - we'll call them the viet cong!"Then, VOILA, everyone thinks they know what's happening, because they have short attention spans and can only remember what was on the "news" that evening.
Or go from good guys to bad guys. For example the mujahadeen or as we call them now Al Qaeda/Taliban!!
Cameron praised them in libya,sorry i mean the freedom fighters erm no,wait you know what i mean.
Most of them lead fairly sad and unhappy lives, and because of that put way too much energy and time into stuff like that because they don't have anything else going for them.
So what, how does that affect our lives?
Try telling that to the dead soldiers and their families who went to Iraq looking for WMDs. That was a conspiracy to lie to us.
I still don't see how you knowing the truth in this case has changed anything or affected your life in any way. Everybody knows the WMD thing was a lie, at least to some extend. Yet that hasn't changed anything, has it. Neither will you knowing whatever other conspiracy thruths there are out there.
Yeah, must be nice to think that you're saving the world from evil by believing in all these conspiracy theories. But please do tell me, how are you changing the future on a scale that actually matters?
I don't have much time for these threads. Don't give two shits nor will I ever. Just worry about the now, the present and worry about the future as and when it comes.
You really are exasperating. Funny that.
Ah, I see you are driven by your digital ego, and can't spell.Yet again you come into this thread and contribute nothing to it.If you don't like the subject, why post?
By disseminating information, and showing these people up for what they are - this in turn means change, as we saw during the last election.The egyptian, syrian and libyan revolts against their respective regimes were all started by the dissemination of information, combined with a dissatisfied populace sick and tired of being lied to and cheated.I know people like yourself like to scoff and take what you think is a moral high ground, but if everyone did the same, we would still be living in hereditary fiefs, without votes, and doing little except working and dying to further enrich others.Change doesn't come about by sitting on your arse and doing nothing - try reading a little history.
I don't take any moral high ground at all, the opposite even. I'll be the first to admit that I'm not a world changer. I prefer putting my time and energy into my direct environment and things that actually affect me. And I'd say those Egyptians, Syrians etc themselfs are the ones responsible for the change. And not some arm chair internet global conspiracy theorist like you, who is "disseminating information".
What a moaner...Spelling bee champion are we? You're so finicky. Also my ego? I'm not the one belittling other posters by putting down other posters, like yourself. So look in the mirror mate So I say
Moaner?I'm not the poster who comes into a thread saying "what a waste of time" which is a real irony when you actually spend time typing that out.I also see you are confused between "ego" and "digital ego"The clue is in the extra word.Nor am I putting down anyone - like I said, it's a simple matter. If you don't like it and think it is a waste of time, don't waste your own time posting in it.It ain't f**king rocket science.
You find that exact quote in this thread by me and I'll pay you £100. Stop f**king changing my words. I didn't say it was a waste of time so stop making up bullshit!!!! If you know me for a real; digitally or not then you'll know I'm the not even close to having an ego. I'm done talking to you. You're just making up bullshit, making up quotes that weren't actually there. You're so sad you've got to make up quotes on a forum just to suit your ego.
The fact that you choose to ignore what goes on in the world is your choice, but I suspect at the same time you are one of the first to start pissing and moaning about things you don't like, rather than having the balls to actually speak out about them.
Because you have such balls for speaking out about a New World Order and for disseminating information! And you accuse me of taking a moral high ground..
How do you think change happens?
Face facts - our politicians regurlarly meet with unelected people who "help" them shape policy, with no recourse from the voters.
Did the phone hacking and expenses scandal teach you nothing?
On every forum there's always a few of those conspiracy theorists. People who are skeptic towards pretty much everything. And are read up on a sh*t load of theories, and "proof" and arguments and whatever. Most of them lead fairly sad and unhappy lives, and because of that put way too much energy and time into stuff like that because they don't have anything else going for them. But why care, it doesn't really matter. Let's say for argument's sake all those conspiracy theories are true. So what, how does that affect our lives? It doesn't, things will continue the way they have been. But I guess some people get a kick out of thinking that they know the truth. Meanwhile everybody else doesn't give a sh*t because they care more about what's going on in their own lives.
^ ^ ^No need to read it, The New World Order is the fault of Israel - right?
Well that's gotta be a first.
Lets break it down, is their things that are New? Yes.Is their a World? Well, it's highly dysfunctional and many of its occupants seem to have a dislike for some (or all) members of the same species, but yes,clearly a world exists.Is their Order? Hell no, unless you're one of those that think chaos is order and whilst their is some structure, it has far too many aberrations, mutations and outright corruptions to consider this world is ordered.
Don't know about breaking it down mate that's a real fragmentation of a definition.
I was, maybe just a tad, taking the piss.
Somebody's off their medication.
And it aint me i tell yah!
You're a muslim, the guards are programmed to fire first and ask later.A few years ago, it was the Irish, or the russians, or the "cong" or the koreans.The problem is that war pays - it makes tons of money.Not the weapons, the re-building is where the real money is.
Everybody knows the WMD thing was a lie, at least to some extend. Yet that hasn't changed anything, has it.
No decisions had been taken, but he thought the most likely timing in US minds for military action to begin was January, with the timeline beginning 30 days before the US Congressional elections.The Foreign Secretary said he would discuss this with Colin Powell this week. It seemed clear that Bush had made up his mind to take military action, even if the timing was not yet decided. But the case was thin. Saddam was not threatening his neighbours, and his WMD capability was less than that of Libya, North Korea or Iran. We should work up a plan for an ultimatum to Saddam to allow back in the UN weapons inspectors. This would also help with the legal justification for the use of force.
No it wasn't. It was an honestly held belief at the time. 9/11 affected the level of acceptable risk in Washington. We know Saddam had WMDs, we just didn't believe he'd gotten rid of them. They truly believed they would find them.Only the 45 min claim was a gross distortion and subtle deception.