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Reply #16350 : Today at 10:42:09 AM »
I will say it's interesting you think Diego's last few posts are poor whereas I think they're bang on the money.

So you think Brendan is still playing the same style of football as when he first arrived? Or that people really said or believed that Brendan had changed his views or tactics based on what they had said?

Total bollocks mate.

I have had a lot of doubts about Brendan, but that didn't mean I didn't want him to prove them wrong. I still have some doubts about Brandon (mainly transfer related) , but I hope to god he proves them to be unfounded too.

All managers get criticized when things aren't going great, all managers faults get overlooked when things are going great. It doesn't mean we want them sacked. I don't believe in putting a manager on a pedestal while we all bow down and worship him, I believe in being honest and if I think a manager has made a mistake that we should be allowed to express our opinion.

I don't remember many calling for him to be sacked even when things were going badly. Now things are going well I think we should be celebrating that fact, rather than moaning about people who had reasonable(?) doubts when things weren't going so well.

I remember having doubts about whether Suarez was a "clinical" enough finisher in his first season, I am happy enough with his finishing now, or does it mean because I had doubts I shouldn't celebrate when he scores?

Brendan has said things I don't think he should have said, done some things I think were wrong, bought some players I don't think he should have, but we are top of the league which is what really matters.....so I think he has done a good job, in fact with the thin squad he has had he has done a fantastic job....doesn't mean he is perfect, doesn't mean if he does something I don't agree with that I won't give my opinion.   
   

 

 






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Reply #16351 : Today at 10:57:49 AM »
So you think Brendan is still playing the same style of football as when he first arrived? Or that people really said or believed that Brendan had changed his views or tactics based on what they had said?

Total bollocks mate.

I didn't say that S@int. But the biggest turnaround here comes from the misconceptions of the forum's whingers, not Rodgers' tactics/emotions/persona etc.

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I have had a lot of doubts about Brendan, but that didn't mean I didn't want him to prove them wrong. I still have some doubts about Brandon (mainly transfer related) , but I hope to god he proves them to be unfounded too.

Saint, you are pretty reasonable fella, and I believe you sincerely don't mind being proved wrong.

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All managers get criticized when things aren't going great, all managers faults get overlooked when things are going great. It doesn't mean we want them sacked. I don't believe in putting a manager on a pedestal while we all bow down and worship him, I believe in being honest and if I think a manager has made a mistake that we should be allowed to express our opinion.

I don't remember many calling for him to be sacked even when things were going badly. Now things are going well I think we should be celebrating that fact, rather than moaning about people who had reasonable(?) doubts when things weren't going so well.

I remember having doubts about whether Suarez was a "clinical" enough finisher in his first season, I am happy enough with his finishing now, or does it mean because I had doubts I shouldn't celebrate when he scores?

Brendan has said things I don't think he should have said, done some things I think were wrong, bought some players I don't think he should have, but we are top of the league which is what really matters.....so I think he has done a good job, in fact with the thin squad he has had he has done a fantastic job....doesn't mean he is perfect, doesn't mean if he does something I don't agree with that I won't give my opinion.   
   

Talking about Rodgers saying things, I could almost guarantee you that had he stated that "he thinks Sterling is the best young player in Europe right now" amid-st a run of patchy results, or earlier on in his tenure he would have got absolutely f**king slaughtered for it for a number of reasons. He's carried on 'big-in-up' certain players but now this isn't even worthy of discussion, where as 8-12 months ago it certainly would have been irrespective of Raheem's form. It would have been more 'hyperbole, more needless pressure of adding to the shoulders of a young lad', basically any chance to have a snipe - similar to those "brilliant" comments many got their knickers in a twist about.

It's not so much that Rodgers has drastically magicked our form from nothing, it's that the initial misconceptions about him and the snipes, proved to be blather and hot air because he has shown otherwise that's the biggest difference we've seen from then and now. His modus operandi is not that unnoticeable from day dot, the misconceptions about him ARE.

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Reply #16352 : Today at 11:11:37 AM »
It's not so much that Rodgers has drastically magicked our form from nothing, it's that the initial misconceptions about him and the snipes, proved to be blather and hot air

So what if they were?

People criticised Brendan for things he said and done.

They may well have been proven wrong.

So f**king what.

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Reply #16353 : Today at 11:21:14 AM »
Like Saint I have seen enough of the managers here to judge Brendan and when he came here he was the least experienced man we have had and his media comments and interviews reflected that.

No he isn't.

In terms of managing in England's top flight, he's actually the second most experienced we've had from Shankly onwards - after a certain Mr Roy Hodgson. (excluding Kenny's second spell).

Shanks had never managed in the top flight before taking the job. Bob, Joe and Kenny had never managed any clubs before. Souness had only managed in Scotland up to that point. Roy Evans never had a first team managerial job before us. Houllier and Benitez had never managed in England before. Rodgers had a full season of top flight experience under his belt.

Even on the worldwide scale, he's still more experienced than any of the three men who managed us during the 80s when they got the job.


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Reply #16354 : Today at 11:23:51 AM »
No he isn't.

In terms of managing in England's top flight, he's actually the second most experienced we've had from Shankly onwards - after a certain Mr Roy Hodgson. (excluding Kenny's second spell).

Shanks had never managed in the top flight before taking the job. Bob, Joe and Kenny had never managed any clubs before. Souness had only managed in Scotland up to that point. Roy Evans never had a first team managerial job before us. Houllier and Benitez had never managed in England before. Rodgers had a full season of top flight experience under his belt.

Even on the worldwide scale, he's still more experienced than any of the three men who managed us during the 80s when they got the job.



Hardly because Bob Joe and Kenny all had years of experience of Liverpool Football club and that is a huge advantage to have when taking over this club and all of them did pretty well.

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Reply #16355 : Today at 11:27:47 AM »
Hardly because Bob Joe and Kenny all had years of experience of Liverpool Football club and that is a huge advantage to have when taking over this club and all of them did pretty well.

Yes they had years of experience at Liverpool Football Club, they still had no experience of managing first team affairs which is a whole different to just being a coach.

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Reply #16356 : Today at 11:38:04 AM »
I didn't say that S@int. But the biggest turnaround here comes from the misconceptions of the forum's whingers, not Rodgers' tactics/emotions/persona etc.

You didn't say that, but Diego did, and you said his post were "bang on the money". 

I was totally wrong about this season mate. I thought we would finish about 6th, if I had known how poor Moses and Cissokho were, or how little use we would get from most of our Summer signings I would probably have said even lower!

Talking about Rodgers saying things, I could almost guarantee you that had he stated that "he thinks Sterling is the best young player in Europe right now" amid-st a run of patchy results, or earlier on in his tenure he would have got absolutely f**king slaughtered for it for a number of reasons. He's carried on 'big-in-up' certain players but now this isn't even worthy of discussion, where as 8-12 months ago it certainly would have been irrespective of Raheem's form. It would have been more 'hyperbole, more needless pressure of adding to the shoulders of a young lad', basically any chance to have a snipe - similar to those "brilliant" comments many got their knickers in a twist about.It's not so much that Rodgers has drastically magicked our form from nothing, it's that the initial misconceptions about him and the snipes, proved to be blather and hot air because he has shown otherwise that's the biggest difference we've seen from then and now. His modus operandi is not that unnoticeable from day dot, the misconceptions about him ARE.

I think he has made quite a few gaffs in his statements and while I think we accept more willingly some of his comments now due to his success (walked the walk ) some of his comments especially his earlier comments were unnecessary or wrong, success or not.

I don't really know what you mean by misconceptions mate? I had doubts about his transfers (still do), doubts about whether we could beat top sides (we hadn't beaten many) and as soon as he showed that we could I jumped down off the fence.

I do stand by my original doubt which was that he would struggle to attract the top European players. Hopefully now he has proven himself and we are back in the CL that will no longer be a factor. 

I don't expect him to get everything right mate, just enough to keep us progressing and winning games and titles.   


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Reply #16357 : Today at 12:06:38 PM »

Brendan is not amused with your needless bickering.


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Reply #16358 : Today at 12:08:08 PM »
I didn't say that S@int. But the biggest turnaround here comes from the misconceptions of the forum's whingers, not Rodgers' tactics/emotions/persona etc.

Completely disagree, I wouldn't class myself as a forum whinger, nor would I class some one like S@int as one either, football is a a game where the fans have an emotional investment in the club, depending how strong that emotional investment is then people will obviously make emotional judgments, take Reina for example, big player at the club, been here years, had a strong bond with the fans, now because I've got over 30 years of emotional investment in Liverpool and have seen players of his stature treat much better, with that emotional investment in the club and players, I called Rodgers a bullshitter in regards to how Reina's situation was handled and I stand by that and always will, the same with Suarez who was saying he wanted out because of 'the media', I called Luis out on that straight away and called him a bull shi**er and said it was solely about champions league football with the same emotion, which indeed turned out to be the case when he started flirting with Arsenal, the same turned out to be the case with Rodgers over Reina, he wasn't straight with us.

Wasn't looking to have a moan or a whinge, infact I'd been nothing but complimentary to Rodgers following the January window and the arrival of Sturridge and Coutinho as his philosophy evolved prior to the Reina situation.

Some people just call it how they see it, no pussy footing about, no burying their hands in the sand and no crossing their fingers hoping everything will turn out for the best to save face on an internet forum.

The thing I think we can take from this is quite simple The majority of people who did have doubts in Rodgers have been there to offer support as well as criticism, but have been the first to hold their hands up and admit maybe they have been wrong on the whole.


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Reply #16359 : Today at 12:13:49 PM »
I don't really want to get involved, and I'm sure Saint is big enough and ugly enough to fight his own corner, but I have to say that Saint was reasonable, fair and usually right on the money when he expressed his doubts about BR, even though I disagreed with many of his doubts.
He also had no compunctions about giving credit where it was due.

At the same time, I understand completely where Diego is coming from with some of the revisionism we see. I just wouldn't include Saint in there.


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Reply #16360 : Today at 12:15:30 PM »
Does it really matter who supported him from the beginning compared to those who only just got onboard or gradually had their minds changed over the course of his tenure?  We're human beings, individuals who will form different opinions at different times and no doubt there will be those who criticise earlier than others if results start to fade.
Personally I don't think it matters 'debs; why should it?

As you say human nature is such that it reacts to any situation as it arises. We've all got our foibles and I learned to accept that a while back. I'm not angry because people spoke how they felt at a given time but have now changed their opinion on Brendan as events unfolded. In fact I'm happy... there's nothing like unity - it's what our greatness was built on.

I fully understand why some might feel agitated... of course I do. After all I remember how some were singing Kenny's praises, when he started managing us again, only to turn on him when results went against us and that angered me. I'd be a hypocrite if I 'conveniently' forgot that. I guess we are witnessing that in reverse... it works both ways.

So yes; I get the anger but to carry a grudge? Maybe... but for how long? How long before we let go of that grudge, unite and move on. I know, from experience, it will happen at some point.

Why not now; when we are on the verge of something really special?  :confused-smiley-013:

Anyhows... good luck Redmen and Redwomen and be good - we're on our way to glory.  8)



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Reply #16361 : Today at 12:21:11 PM »
Managing expectations ;)   >:D

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Reply #16362 : Today at 12:24:55 PM »
But can Rodgers repeat this seasons league success next season......  :f_run:

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Reply #16363 : Today at 12:32:59 PM »
Some people need to lighten up. Brendan's doing a boss job and we're 7 points from glory. Enjoy it!

Save the moaning and bickering for when we start f**king up our transfers in a few months :D

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Reply #16364 : Today at 12:41:02 PM »
Revisionism comes in many flavours. Show me a single person who said we'd have a real chance of winning the league this year while scoring 100 goals into the process and I'll hold my hands up and say "we have somebody here who was right all along". Sheesh even Brendan himself, soundbites and all wouldn't have predicted that. So he's surpassed EVERYONES expectations, NOBODY was spot on right about him.

What did stick in my throat a little when he first came was some peoples reluctance to even give the fella a chance, that's all. Mostly it was based if we're honest on a hankering to have either Kenny or Rafa as the manager instead of Brendan, but pretty much all of that has been absent for some time now.

As for him "changing" and "learning" I suppose he has, but some would choose to call it "adapting" (and S@ints point about us hitting the front quicker since Sturridge is a totally fair one). I know one thing, envelopes aside if we all watched "being Liverpool" now the quotes wouldn't be anywhere near so cringeworthy. Essentially the stuff he talked about on there is the stuff he's now doing, it's just that it seemed unbelievable and bullsh!t at the time whereas now it's reality.

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Reply #16365 : Today at 12:45:09 PM »
As for him "changing" and "learning" I suppose he has, but some would choose to call it "adapting" (and S@ints point about us hitting the front quicker since Sturridge is a totally fair one).


Which some would call an evolution of his philosophy, which is all I ever criticised him for when it was clear it wasn't working with the players he had at his disposal in the first 6 months.

Now I'm not arrogant enough to suggest Rodgers logged in here read my post and thought f**king hell RedLFCBlood is right, because it never happened that way, he brought players in most notably Coutinho and Sturridge for that evolution to occur.

One thing I've never criticised Rodgers for is being Liverpool, that was thrust up on him, arranged before he was manager and he dealt with it in a manner that probably exposed his nativity to just how big a club Liverpool was and that he'd be under the microscope at the time, but as I said it was thrust on him and he dealt with it as best he could.

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Reply #16366 : Today at 12:51:11 PM »
I still haven't warmed to Rodgers the man, Rodgers the manager has my support.  Always going to be discussions though, unless we all become sycophantic yes men. Just embrace the differences....or put them on ignore. ;)
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Reply #16367 : Today at 12:53:40 PM »
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Reply #16368 : Today at 01:05:50 PM »
There were definite negative undertones from some posters on this thread, ones who were most unhappy that Rafa wasn't given a second chance, and Kenny not given long enough.

That is always going to be the case unfortunately because following club legends is the hardest thing to do, just ask "The Chosen One".

Results speak for themselves and those who questioned more vociferously than others have got on board with the rest, but being top of the league has a habit of silencing the doubters.

Hopefully by the time Brendan has finished here, we will have the same people questioning the next manager because he isn't Brendan Rogers multiple league and cup winner.

P.S FSG deserve credit here, the two men they wanted Martinez and Rogers have proven to be the two best young coaches in the league, so they and whoever has been advising them have had a worldie there.
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Reply #16369 : Today at 01:12:54 PM »
Completely disagree, I wouldn't class myself as a forum whinger, nor would I class some one like S@int as one either, football is a a game where the fans have an emotional investment in the club, depending how strong that emotional investment is then people will obviously make emotional judgments, take Reina for example, big player at the club, been here years, had a strong bond with the fans, now because I've got over 30 years of emotional investment in Liverpool and have seen players of his stature treat much better, with that emotional investment in the club and players, I called Rodgers a bullshitter in regards to how Reina's situation was handled and I stand by that and always will, the same with Suarez who was saying he wanted out because of 'the media', I called Luis out on that straight away and called him a bull shi**er and said it was solely about champions league football with the same emotion, which indeed turned out to be the case when he started flirting with Arsenal, the same turned out to be the case with Rodgers over Reina, he wasn't straight with us.

Wasn't looking to have a moan or a whinge, infact I'd been nothing but complimentary to Rodgers following the January window and the arrival of Sturridge and Coutinho as his philosophy evolved prior to the Reina situation.

Some people just call it how they see it, no pussy footing about, no burying their hands in the sand and no crossing their fingers hoping everything will turn out for the best to save face on an internet forum.

The thing I think we can take from this is quite simple The majority of people who did have doubts in Rodgers have been there to offer support as well as criticism, but have been the first to hold their hands up and admit maybe they have been wrong on the whole.

Good post.

I didn't think of your posts nor S@ints'......really  ;)

Listen, I don't know Diego nor Son of a Gun from a bar of soap, I don't PM them lobbying support against a particular poster, or posters  ;) but I've noticed exactly what they've said, and what a couple of others have hinted at. If it was just me with this perception, I'd question this much more but it isn't just me. There is something in what they've said - revisionism is a good way of putting it now, aka sugarcoating fact with a wringing twist of BS, to cover up the initial divisive nature of some posts.
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Reply #16370 : Today at 01:29:31 PM »
Now lets back to what we should be doing and that's supporting Liverpool F.C on the brink of their first title win in over two decades and enjoy the f**king ride, even if it means you've chewed your finger nails down to your knuckles like I have. :D

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Reply #16371 : Today at 05:56:38 PM »
Hey I remember when posters here kept calling Brendan "creepy" for saying nice things about the club's supporters.

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Reply #16372 : Today at 05:59:13 PM »
Hey I remember when posters here kept calling Brendan "creepy" for saying nice things about the club's supporters.

I remember posters here saying BR was a liar and was bullshitting us and all sorts of other crap when Mignolet came in.

I mean it's not as though situations are fluid and the party line may need to change as circumstances do, no it was all because BR was a lying bullshitter.

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Reply #16373 : Today at 06:21:27 PM »
Now lets back to what we should be doing and that's supporting Liverpool F.C on the brink of their first title win in over two decades and enjoy the f**king ride

That went well. :roll: :D

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Reply #16374 : Today at 06:27:14 PM »

Some just thrive on the division and negativity mate. :D

The other ones just a f**king Tosser.  :f_whistle: