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Reply #34680 : Yesterday at 04:09:03 PM »
I think this is a big part of the problem we have created for ourselves by keeping Brendan in the summer, people no longer believe he can give us steady progress and that any improvement will be temporary as we have seen by the reaction to our loss to W.H.

People aren't saying that the defeat was just one of those games, just a minor blip, but a sign of things to come.

I think Brendan will struggle to win back peoples confidence and even if he does turn things around people will still be just waiting for the next bad result.

Completely agree with this mate.

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Reply #34681 : Yesterday at 04:30:35 PM »
If he finishes top 4 and wins the FA Cup he will find an awful lot of support and even this should be towards the lower end of expectations.
It's becoming more and more clear however that he and FSG do not have the same aspirations for the club as the fans do so what are we left with a club with mediocre players and a mediocre future.

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Reply #34682 : Yesterday at 04:32:52 PM »
Brendan had a perfectly good plan "A" mate, defend in depth, let West Ham come on to us and then get the ball quickly up to Suarez and Sturridge who will do the rest. Sadly it had one minor flaw.... the more astute might just be able to spot it. 

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Reply #34683 : Yesterday at 04:33:48 PM »
Lets be honest, FSG are trying to do it the Arsenal way, build the stadium up to increase revenues whilst paying low wages to players with potential, problem is Brendan Rodgers is no Arsehole Whinger..

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Reply #34684 : Yesterday at 04:38:12 PM »
I look at his situation and feel he has been given a short reprieve by FSG.  If we're too far behind entering the busy Xmas period, he'll be gone. We've spent a lot without spending a lot, we'll have a decent war chest in January, either way. 

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Reply #34685 : Yesterday at 04:38:43 PM »
If anybody thinks we dont spend money, unfortunately looking at the squad you do wonder where has all that money gone!

Analysis from the football observatory

Europe’s Top 10 most expensive squads (in millions):

1. Real Madrid - €587 million

2. Manchester City - €560m

3. Manchester  United - €533m

4. Paris St Germain - €525m

5. Chelsea - €407m

 6. Barcelona - €394m

7. Liverpool - €344m

8. Bayern Munich - €337m

9. Arsenal - €305m

10. Juventus - €301m


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Reply #34686 : Yesterday at 04:41:25 PM »
If anybody thinks we dont spend money, unfortunately looking at the squad you do wonder where has all that money gone!

Analysis from the football observatory

Europe’s Top 10 most expensive squads (in millions):

1. Real Madrid - €587 million

2. Manchester City - €560m

3. Manchester  United - €533m

4. Paris St Germain - €525m

5. Chelsea - €407m

 6. Barcelona - €394m

7. Liverpool - €344m

8. Bayern Munich - €337m

9. Arsenal - €305m

10. Juventus - €301m

Interesting point to that, I bet Ronaldo, Bale, and James' kit sales alone over their Madrid careers cover for the ~€240m differences between our squads. At the minimum.
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Reply #34687 : Yesterday at 04:44:37 PM »
If anybody thinks we dont spend money, unfortunately looking at the squad you do wonder where has all that money gone!

Analysis from the football observatory

Europe’s Top 10 most expensive squads (in millions):

1. Real Madrid - €587 million

2. Manchester City - €560m

3. Manchester  United - €533m

4. Paris St Germain - €525m

5. Chelsea - €407m

 6. Barcelona - €394m

7. Liverpool - €344m

8. Bayern Munich - €337m

9. Arsenal - €305m

10. Juventus - €301m



barcelona just above us is this an FSG report.Messi,Neymar and Suarez would probably be worth more than £300mil so £394 is bollox and Bayern below us not a chance.
http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/fc-liverpool/startseite/verein/31
try this at £231mil

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Reply #34688 : Yesterday at 04:47:05 PM »
barcelona just above us is this an FSG report.Messi,Neymar and Suarez would probably be worth more than £300mil so £394 is bollox and Bayern below us not a chance.

Think it's based on money spent, not current value. We would be nowhere near the top 10 in terms of liquidating value IMO.
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Reply #34689 : Yesterday at 04:47:29 PM »
barcelona just above us is this an FSG report.Messi,Neymar and Suarez would probably be worth more than £300mil so £394 is bollox and Bayern below us not a chance.

I think its based on how it cost to put the squad together not how much is it worth, in which case Utd wouldnt get in the Top 100  ;D

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Reply #34690 : Yesterday at 05:23:23 PM »
I think its based on how it cost to put the squad together not how much is it worth, in which case Utd wouldnt get in the Top 100  ;D
In which case we would still be behind them which is scary considering how sh*te they are .

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Reply #34691 : Yesterday at 06:07:00 PM »
last 10 league games we have 12 points from (from the top of my head) I think the hangover from last season has been a worry and it appears to be lingering about now as well. A defeat next game will have us around the 1.2 / 1.3 points per game so even after 4 games this has become a must win game. i think UTD are there for the taking but if we go looking to get a point we will suffer. He should watch some of our away performance in 13/14 and go there to win the game. PLEASE!!!!!!!!

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Reply #34692 : Yesterday at 08:04:58 PM »
The problem I see is that when we concede one the floodgates seem to open a little.

That made me smile mate.

I know what you mean though the image of the floodgates opening a little amuses me..........bit like being "ever so slightly pregnant".........

We capitulate regularly. It's worrying.

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Reply #34693 : Yesterday at 08:33:33 PM »
The problem I see is that when we concede one the floodgates seem to open a little.

I did something on this late last season, it's so true.  IIRC, we concede once, more than a 50% chance we'll concede a 2nd. 50% plus chance of a 3rd and so on.

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Reply #34694 : Yesterday at 08:39:09 PM »
If anybody thinks we dont spend money, unfortunately looking at the squad you do wonder where has all that money gone!

Analysis from the football observatory

Europe’s Top 10 most expensive squads (in millions):

1. Real Madrid - €587 million

2. Manchester City - €560m

3. Manchester  United - €533m

4. Paris St Germain - €525m

5. Chelsea - €407m

 6. Barcelona - €394m

7. Liverpool - €344m

8. Bayern Munich - €337m

9. Arsenal - €305m

10. Juventus - €301m



Spending money has never been our issue. We as a club are just too f**king stupid to do it correctly and end up blowing loads on sh*t.

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Reply #34695 : Yesterday at 08:58:50 PM »
All starts with the scouting system
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Reply #34696 : Yesterday at 09:57:55 PM »
That made me smile mate.

I know what you mean though the image of the floodgates opening a little amuses me..........bit like being "ever so slightly pregnant".........

We capitulate regularly. It's worrying.

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Reply #34697 : Yesterday at 10:09:37 PM »
All starts with the scouting system

I think we need a plan as well mate, rather than just buying the flavor of the month, decide on how and where the team needs strengthening and then actually buying a player that does strengthen us there, rather than buying a player who usually plays in a different position but perhaps could play there as well. Instead of trying to fit square pegs into round holes then being surprised when they don't fit, maybe try buying players that fit with the way we intend them to play.

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Reply #34698 : Yesterday at 10:29:07 PM »
His first six months can almost be forgiven - any manager needs time to settle at a new club.  The second half of his first season we saw some signs of good football and it was promising.

His second season was truly remarkable. We almost won the league playing champagne football. I refuse to believe that we were a one man team in Suarez. He obviously helped, but football is a team game. In particular, Gerrard, Sturridge, Sterling, Coutinho, Flanno  all had superb seasons as well.

His third season was a disaster. Embarrassed in Europe. Finishing 6th. Getting dicked by sh*te like Stoke 6-1. Simply not good enough. As frustrated as I was, I gave BR the benefit of the doubt though. He lost his star man Suarez. Sturridge was injured all season. Gerrard noticeably lost his legs.  It was rumoured some of our transfers weren't 'Brendan signings' - Balotelli. A lot of new players needed time to bed into the team & gel with our other players.

I've always said this season will be the one where I will judge him properly. I've always stated I think BR is a top manager based on what I saw in his second season. I was glad FSG backed him this season. So should we succeed then great, obviously. Should we fail then its time up Brendan I'm afraid.

What has annoyed me this summer though is bearing in mind how much we struggled to attack teams last season playing with the one striker, what does Brendan go and do? Spend big money on Benteke and start the season playing him alone upfront.


Agree with pretty much all of this.

Bringing out the busted record, but imo goals were the biggest problem last season. We've now moved on the 3 amigos, but if I'd the guts of 60mill would I have bought Benteke and Firmino? - probably not.
Firmino is an expensive punt - risky for a manager for which this season is so important - I hope he works out, I really do, but not seeing enough from him at the moment. But let's see.
And Benteke - at the time wondered how he'd slot into the teams play... but looking at how we've started playing this season, BR's changed things up a bit in order to suit him. I'm a bit disappointed, one of the things I liked most about BR was the style of football we played. I didn't blame the style of play for the poor show last season, moreso the stuffed animals we had trying to score. Defense needed improving too, but the goal drought took the biscuit.
Ings and Origi, have said all along, not sure they are top4 material, but again will see. At least we have new options.

We've improved the personnel in defense, FBs are deffo better. But up front - how could they be worse than last year?!?! I'm not as pessimistic as most, we have different options, BR needs to find a balance, and Studge could be back soon.  In loosing SG and Sterling, we've lost goals. So we need the new guys not just to make up for that gap, but well exceed it if we are to improve on last year. I'd have done more to try keep Sterling, but he was intent on burning his bridges. Unfortunately Ibe is not nearly as effective. SG was a big personality to loose, as well as his goals/assists.
I'm not sure we have enough of the x-factor in midfield anymore - a lot of solid enough players, but too often now looking to Cou to make something happen.

But it's early days in the season, we've same pts as Utd and Arse, am not throwing the toys out just yet. BR deffo needs to change things a bit as we're not creating enough chances, and though patience/time isn't really on his side, still think if we can get the guys up front scoring, we can kick on. If they continue the current scoring rate, could be a tough Xmas/new year.   The game against Utd will be very interesting ...
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Reply #34699 : Yesterday at 11:12:48 PM »
Just got this from Corbs twitter account:

Brendan Rodgers: "We've got two full-backs, in Jose Enrique & Glen Johnson, who are arguably the best in the league."

Yeah, keep telling them Brendan it's getting rather comical now.

I'd absolutely love Claude Littner to have been there grilling Brendan at the end of last season asking him why he 'thinks' he deserves it. It would have been gruesome to see him and his dossier torn to shreds.

Snake oil salesman as a friend once said, a fitting description.

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Reply #34700 : Today at 12:00:59 AM »
That made me smile mate.

I know what you mean though the image of the floodgates opening a little amuses me..........bit like being "ever so slightly pregnant".........

We capitulate regularly. It's worrying.

I see that sentence is a little silly but you get the drift mate. ;D

I did something on this late last season, it's so true.  IIRC, we concede once, more than a 50% chance we'll concede a 2nd. 50% plus chance of a 3rd and so on.

Now that you mention it I do recall you talking about this Rodders.
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Reply #34701 : Today at 02:26:58 AM »

From what I have read about him from players that have left, he does seem to tell a lot of porkies, I don't think I would trust him much personally.   


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Reply #34702 : Today at 06:50:35 AM »
Do not know if he is trying to kid himself or the fans, but certainly not very successful as far as the fans are concerned.
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Reply #34703 : Today at 08:12:17 AM »
I see that sentence is a little silly but you get the drift mate. ;D

Now that you mention it I do recall you talking about this Rodders.

Wasn't challenging it mate - was more that I thought you were being awfully polite......our fragility worries me greatly.

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Reply #34704 : Today at 09:37:15 AM »
I'm almost certain that Brendan will play 2 up top when Sturridge is fit. I don't know why, but he doesn't seem confident enough to play Ings or Origi with Benteke.  ???

If he's pinning his hopes on Sturridge staying fit for the rest of the season, (like I am) he's taking a risk.
Mind you, it Sturridge had been fit for all of last season, we'd be in the Champions League, and Brendan's job wouldn't be hanging by a thread.
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