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Reply #990 : February 01, 2012, 05:07:47 PM »

Or according to the USA goverment with the fishes.

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Reply #991 : February 01, 2012, 05:24:48 PM »
Or with the US government...

(Sorry, was watching a show about UFOs earlier and now I'm suspicious of 'the man') :p

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Reply #992 : February 01, 2012, 05:27:16 PM »
They could have just knocked him out and took pictures ;)

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Reply #993 : February 27, 2012, 07:59:32 PM »
Bin Laden Death Coverup Continues: Compound Demolished

The compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan, which authorities claim was Osama Bin Laden's home for several years before his supposed killing by a US special forces team last May, has this weekend been totally demolished. Pakistani authorities began tearing down the house on Saturday night, working under floodlights, with the local population subject to a strict curfew and Pakistan Army soldiers and police personnel reportedly deployed in large numbers.

The high security surrounding the building since last May, coupled with its sudden and secretive demolition, have naturally led to suspicions that this weekend marked the successful completion of a brazen coverup - journalists have never been allowed to enter the building, and were banned from going anywhere near it very soon after Bin Laden's supposed killing. The total destruction of the death scene makes it much less likely independent verification of the official narrative will ever be established, though considering that no evidence proving Bin Laden was actually killed in the compound has ever been provided by the authorities, this weekend's events are hardly surprising.

The official account stretched credulity from the outset and changed significantly in the days and weeks following the Navy Seals' attack. At first we were told that Bin Laden had offered resistance by firing a weapon at the Seals, but it was soon admitted that the person shot had not in fact been armed. If the unarmed individual shot dead posed no threat, then it is hard to view his death as anything other than a cold-blooded execution. The claim that Bin Laden cowered behind his wife, who was initially reported to have been killed whilst her husband used her as a human shield, also had to be retracted.

The most notoriously suspicious aspect of the official narrative was the prompt whisking away from Abbottabad of Bin Laden's corpse, and its burial at sea - an event US officials absurdly tried to claim was carried out so as to be in accordance with Islamic tradition. Islam does permit burial at sea in certain circumstances - usually when someone has died at sea - but as the man killed was firmly on dry land and a significant distance from the North Arabian sea in which his body was dumped, such a claim is highly questionable. Equally dubious were official US protestations of concern for respecting the Islamic tradition of swiftly washing, shrouding and burying the deceased. Not only had this tradition been ignored in other similar killings, such as those of Saddam Hussein's sons Uday and Qusay, Bin Laden was the world's most wanted man - possession of his body, and evidence of such possession, would surely have been of greater importance to the US than the possible offence taken by a minority of devout Muslims.

US authorities similarly refused to release photographs of Bin Laden's corpse, claiming that Muslims might be offended and Bin Laden's supporters provoked into committing terrorist attacks on the West. That previously non-violent Muslims would become so enraged by a photo of Bin Laden's corpse as to join Al-Qaeda and commit terror attacks is unbelievable, and again, inconsistent with the earlier publication of gruesome images of Muslims killed by the US military. A video was released by US authorities, said to have been recovered from the compound and claiming to show a living, aged Bin Laden, but it was widely ridiculed by locals - one identifying the man in the video as his neighbour, who he named as "Akbar Khan". Only one local spoken to by the BBC thought that the man in the video was Bin Laden, and many claimed they did not believe Bin Laden had been killed there, or indeed ever lived there. 

With the body safely out of the way, and no evidence presented to confirm that the man killed was really Osama Bin Laden - beyond a claim, impossible to independently verify, that DNA samples taken from the body matched Bin Laden's - many sceptics quite reasonably and rationally expressed doubt at the official narrative. Those who did question the official account quickly found themselves painted as "conspiracy theorists" by the establishment and the mainstream media, however - despite the blatant lack of evidence of Bin Laden's death, and the substantial counter evidence suggesting that he had died of natural causes many years previously.

It is difficult not to view the destruction of evidence at the compound in Abbottabad as the culmination of a brazen coverup stretching back over a decade to the September 11th attacks. Steel from the collapsed WTC towers was quickly cut up and shipped as scrap to China, such blatant disregard for standard procedure that Fire Engineering magazine was prompted to publish an article detailing how the author had "combed through our national standard for fire investigation, NFPA 921, but nowhere in it does one find an exemption allowing the destruction of evidence for buildings over 10 stories tall". The author concluded by demanding that the "destruction and removal of evidence must stop immediately."

With the mainstream media faithfully parroting the official narrative about both 9/11 and Bin Laden's death, it will evidently be down to independent researchers and the alternative media to try, if possible, to get to the truth of both events.

http://www.resistradio.com/updates/bin-ladens-compound-demolished-in-dead-of-night

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Reply #994 : May 21, 2013, 08:07:51 PM »
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/05/21/us-usa-courts-binladen-idUSBRE94K0MZ20130521
Court rules bin Laden death photos can stay secret
(Reuters) - A federal appeals court ruled on Tuesday that the U.S. government had properly classified top secret more than 50 images of al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden taken after his death, and that the government did not need to release them.

The unanimous ruling by three judges on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit rejected a request for the images by a conservative nonprofit watchdog group.

Judicial Watch sued for photographs and video from the May 2011 raid in which U.S. special forces killed bin Laden in Abbottabad, Pakistan, after more than a decade of searching.

The organization's lawsuit relied on the Freedom of Information Act, a 1966 law that guarantees public access to some government documents.

In an unsigned opinion, the appeals court accepted an assertion from President Barack Obama's administration that the images are so potent that releasing them could cause riots that would put Americans abroad at risk.

"It is undisputed that the government is withholding the images not to shield wrongdoing or avoid embarrassment, but rather to prevent the killing of Americans and violence against American interests," the opinion said.

The court ruled that the risk of violence justifies the decision to classify the images top secret, and that the CIA may withhold the images under an exception to the Freedom of Information Act for documents that are classified.

Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton said in a statement that the ruling "would allow terrorists to dictate our laws." Fitton said his lawyers are considering what to do next. The group could ask the U.S. Supreme Court to hear the case.

A spokeswoman for the Justice Department, which represents the Obama administration in court, had no immediate comment.

The images show a dead bin Laden at his compound in Pakistan, the transportation of his body to a U.S. ship and his burial at sea, the government has said.

Some of the photographs were taken so the CIA could conduct facial recognition analysis to confirm the body's identity, according to court papers.

The case is Judicial Watch Inc v. U.S. Department of Defense and CIA, U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit, No. 12-5137.

At least the CIA's facial recognition proved it was him so we can happily take their word for it given that they would never lie.

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Reply #995 : May 22, 2013, 01:59:08 PM »

Er, don't mean to piss on your chips or anything but haven't Al-Qaeda themselves announced he is dead?

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Reply #996 : May 22, 2013, 02:58:29 PM »
Er, don't mean to piss on your chips or anything but haven't Al-Qaeda themselves announced he is dead?



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Islamabad - A prominent official in the Afghan Taliban movement announced yesterday the death of Osama bin Laden, the chief of Al-Qaeda organization, stating that bin Laden suffered serious complications in the lungs and died a natural and quiet death. The official, who asked to remain anonymous, stated to The Observer of Pakistan that he had himself attended the funeral of bin Laden and saw his face prior to burial in Tora Bora 10 days ago. He mentioned that 30 of Al-Qaeda fighters attended the burial as well as members of his family and some friends from the Taleban. In the farewell ceremony to his final rest guns were fired in the air. The official stated that it is difficult to pinpoint the burial location of bin Laden because according to the Wahhabi tradition no mark is left by the grave. He stressed that it is unlikely that the American forces would ever uncover any traces of bin Laden.

Even Fox News reported Bin Laden was dead in 2001.





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Reply #997 : May 22, 2013, 04:45:48 PM »
Wouldn't surpise me if both sides are speaking with forked tongue.
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Reply #998 : May 22, 2013, 05:24:09 PM »
Er, don't mean to piss on your chips or anything but haven't Al-Qaeda themselves announced he is dead?
No-one's denying he is dead. When he died is another matter. Do you have a source for Al Qaeda's announcement?

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Reply #999 : May 22, 2013, 05:49:57 PM »
No-one's denying he is dead. When he died is another matter. Do you have a source for Al Qaeda's announcement?


http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/05/06/bin.laden.qaeda.comment/?hpt=T1
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Reply #1000 : May 22, 2013, 05:54:18 PM »
Even Fox News reported Bin Laden was dead in 2001.

Hmm, but he realeased numerous statements after that date which were proven to be him, no?
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Reply #1001 : May 22, 2013, 07:09:28 PM »

If you read the source of the CNN report you will find the statement by Al Qaeda on Islamic forums to be very dubious in origin; there is every chance the statement came from a US military source.

Hmm, but he realeased numerous statements after that date which were proven to be him, no?

No, the statements were as dodgy as the Al Qaeda statement on Bin Laden's death but if there was one in particular you thought was genuine I'd be happy to have a look at it.

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Reply #1002 : May 23, 2013, 10:59:01 AM »
F**k him, he lies with the fishes.

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Reply #1003 : May 23, 2013, 11:16:37 AM »
F**k him, he lies with the fishes.

Does he though? Do you have concrete proof of this or you just towing the American administration line?

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Reply #1004 : May 23, 2013, 11:22:55 AM »
I don't give a f**k about American washing lines or any other, that particular terrorist has gone to meet his maker, he's expired and no more than f**king dust.

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Reply #1005 : May 23, 2013, 11:24:50 AM »
I don't give a f**k about American washing lines or any other, that particular terrorist has gone to meet his maker, he's expired and no more than f**king dust.

Agree with the bit in bold  :gt-happyup:

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Reply #1006 : May 23, 2013, 08:09:54 PM »
If you read the source of the CNN report you will find the statement by Al Qaeda on Islamic forums to be very dubious in origin; there is every chance the statement came from a US military source.
No, the statements were as dodgy as the Al Qaeda statement on Bin Laden's death but if there was one in particular you thought was genuine I'd be happy to have a look at it.

What sort of proof would it take to convince you?
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Reply #1007 : May 23, 2013, 11:20:03 PM »
Er, don't mean to piss on your chips or anything but haven't Al-Qaeda themselves announced he is dead?
We can come back to Bin Laden's dubious 9/11 confessions et al. but first do you accept that the statement you made which started this discussion is doubtful ie Al Qaeda's announcement that he is dead may not be genuinely from Al Qaeda.
(otherwise we run the risk of a continuous "moving of the goalposts")

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Reply #1008 : May 24, 2013, 12:03:58 AM »
F**k him, he lies with the fishes.


Are you saying he's Troy McCLure?

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Reply #1009 : May 24, 2013, 10:47:31 AM »
We can come back to Bin Laden's dubious 9/11 confessions et al. but first do you accept that the statement you made which started this discussion is doubtful ie Al Qaeda's announcement that he is dead may not be genuinely from Al Qaeda.
(otherwise we run the risk of a continuous "moving of the goalposts")

It MAY not be from Al Qaeda just as your post MAY be an elaborate CIA fabrication.

In fact. Bin Laden MAY not have existed at all and have been a Mossad invention.

But weighing up all the evidence and taking some kind of rational view I think it WAS a genuine statement and that Bin Laden was killed in Abottabad as described.

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Reply #1010 : May 24, 2013, 03:03:52 PM »
I too have weighed up all the evidence and I have not seen sufficient evidence that Bin Laden was killed by the US. Until I see that evidence I won't believe that the US killed him.


What sort of proof would it take to convince you?

Independent verification by experts that is validated by other independent experts.

Too many of the news reports of his transmissions have the line within the copy
“purported to be from Osama Bin Laden”
Unfortunately the headline that people read doesn’t contain this line and so many people assumed Bin Laden was sending messages out.

There are cases where analysis has been carried out and absolute conclusions can't be drawn.


Swiss scientists 95% sure that Bin Laden recording was fake
Scientists in Switzerland say they are almost certain that a recent audio tape attributed to Osama bin Laden is a fake.
The tape, delivered to the Arab satellite television channel al-Jazeera earlier this month, appeared to provide the first concrete evidence that Bin Laden is still alive because it mentioned recent attacks on western targets.
American experts initially concluded that the voice on the tape was probably Bin Laden, though it is unlikely ever to be fully authenticated because of the recording's poor quality.
The Swiss findings conflict with other research published by the French news magazine L'Express last week.
In that study, Bernard Gautheron, director of the phonetic testing laboratory at the Institute of Linguistics and Phonetics in Paris, concluded there was a "very strong probability" that the al-Jazeera tape was genuine.
But researchers at the Dalle Molle Institute for Perceptual Artificial Intelligence, in Lausanne, believe the message was recorded by an impostor.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002/nov/30/alqaida.terrorism

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Reply #1011 : May 24, 2013, 03:12:53 PM »
So let me get this straight. The US fakes the death of bin Laden in 2011, but he really died in 2002 and the US knew it at the time. So George W. Bush decided to not fake the death of the (already dead) man he's been after since 2001 -- even though his second term was a disaster and the death of (the already dead) bin Laden would have resurrected it. Therefore, Bush purposely leaves behind a spotty legacy so that his successor Barack Obama -- someone who is on the opposite end of the political spectrum -- can come into office and fake bin Laden's death and subsequently receive all the credit.

That was very kind of Dubs.

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Reply #1012 : May 24, 2013, 03:27:26 PM »
So let me get this straight. The US fakes the death of bin Laden in 2011, but he really died in 2002 and the US knew it at the time. So George W. Bush decided to not fake the death of the (already dead) man he's been after since 2001 -- even though his second term was a disaster and the death of (the already dead) bin Laden would have resurrected it. Therefore, Bush purposely leaves behind a spotty legacy so that his successor Barack Obama -- someone who is on the opposite end of the political spectrum -- can come into office and fake bin Laden's death and subsequently receive all the credit.

That was very kind of Dubs.

I don't want to get into that debate cause I'm not very well informed about the details here, but one thing I would point out is that after reading Argo (the book that inspired the film), I started to be a lot more skeptical about official reports and intelligence work. At one point of the book, Tony Mendez mentions how their main plan for a while was to fake the Shah's death in order to appease the Iranians holding the American hostages. You only have to wonder how many other times plans like these did happen. (Sorry for the off-topic observation ;D)

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Reply #1013 : May 24, 2013, 03:48:03 PM »
I don't want to get into that debate cause I'm not very well informed about the details here, but one thing I would point out is that after reading Argo (the book that inspired the film), I started to be a lot more skeptical about official reports and intelligence work. At one point of the book, Tony Mendez mentions how their main plan for a while was to fake the Shah's death in order to appease the Iranians holding the American hostages. You only have to wonder how many other times plans like these did happen. (Sorry for the off-topic observation ;D)

A wee bit of a different scenario as there were hostages involved as opposed to a manhunt. I can see the skepticism though.

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Reply #1014 : May 24, 2013, 03:50:39 PM »
I don't want to get into that debate cause I'm not very well informed about the details here, but one thing I would point out is that after reading Argo (the book that inspired the film), I started to be a lot more skeptical about official reports and intelligence work. At one point of the book, Tony Mendez mentions how their main plan for a while was to fake the Shah's death in order to appease the Iranians holding the American hostages. You only have to wonder how many other times plans like these did happen. (Sorry for the off-topic observation ;D)

It does lead to doubt about the veracity and bias of reports from all sides concerning this and other statements.
The media is a very powerful weapon and the fact that in some countries there are allegations of state control in some aspects of news reporting, there are nations where the media is actually under the control of the state comprehensively.

It is possible that some countries would use that particular vehicle of communication to spread totally unfounded anti-western propoganda, there is bound to be a response in the they do it so we do it vein, the difference is western TV is not state run unlike some dictator led regimes where nothing is broadcast without being state produced or heavily vetted.   
 
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Reply #1015 : May 24, 2013, 04:30:07 PM »
It does lead to doubt about the veracity and bias of reports from all sides concerning this and other statements.
The media is a very powerful weapon and the fact that in some countries there are allegations of state control in some aspects of news reporting, there are nations where the media is actually under the control of the state comprehensively.

It is possible that some countries would use that particular vehicle of communication to spread totally unfounded anti-western propoganda, there is bound to be a response in the they do it so we do it vein, the difference is western TV is not state run unlike some dictator led regimes where nothing is broadcast without being state produced or heavily vetted.   

 

What? Sky, BBC , ITV etc etc are all independent channels that don't support government policy? Who conditions people's mind into believing their governments policy's are the correct and should be backed?.

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Reply #1016 : May 24, 2013, 04:34:12 PM »
It does lead to doubt about the veracity and bias of reports from all sides concerning this and other statements.
The media is a very powerful weapon and the fact that in some countries there are allegations of state control in some aspects of news reporting, there are nations where the media is actually under the control of the state comprehensively.

It is possible that some countries would use that particular vehicle of communication to spread totally unfounded anti-western propoganda, there is bound to be a response in the they do it so we do it vein, the difference is western TV is not state run unlike some dictator led regimes where nothing is broadcast without being state produced or heavily vetted.   
 

I agree freedom of press is a very important aspect of democratic life and state control is particularly dangerous. That said, it doesn't mean our 'free' press (in US, Brazil, UK, etc) are unbiased and do not serve certain agendas. Think Hillsborough.

Anyway, my main point was about official communication coming from government bodies - such as the CIA and my 'Argo' example. In many cases, the free press isn't capable of verifying or attesting the veracity of those informations. So we have to either trust or not the government's words. In that sense, I'm usually skeptical.

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Reply #1017 : May 24, 2013, 04:36:27 PM »
I too have weighed up all the evidence and I have not seen sufficient evidence that Bin Laden was killed by the US. Until I see that evidence I won't believe that the US killed him.

Independent verification by experts that is validated by other independent experts.


interesting - "independent experts" doing what exactly/ accompanying the SEALs on the raid? and how would they be "verified by other independent experts". Sounds a lot like youre saying - in practical terms - NOTHING would convince you.
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Reply #1018 : May 24, 2013, 04:37:30 PM »
I agree freedom of press is a very important aspect of democratic life and state control is particularly dangerous. That said, it doesn't mean our 'free' press (in US, Brazil, UK, etc) are unbiased and do not serve certain agendas. Think Hillsborough.

Would have been used in my next post,well done on pointing it out.

We have other examples in the UK where trial by media has gone against defendants,ie Birmingham 6 & government endorsed all the way.

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Reply #1019 : May 24, 2013, 04:52:12 PM »
I agree freedom of press is a very important aspect of democratic life and state control is particularly dangerous. That said, it doesn't mean our 'free' press (in US, Brazil, UK, etc) are unbiased and do not serve certain agendas. Think Hillsborough.


In the light of this. Anyone heard of Amber Lyon, former CNN reporter?

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Western TV hardly proves to be reliable either.