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Reply #210 : February 24, 2012, 03:26:48 AM »
It would be useful if you gave a source for such information so we can check its veracity.

Your Armageddon scenario regarding Iran is your own speculation and has no basis.




and don't forget Rumsfeld described Bin Laden's James Bond style underground lairs in Afghanistan as the war in Afghanistan (planned before 9/11) was justified.
Rumsfeld describing in detail Bin laden's cave complex

Your right. In 2003 they started the enrichment program. It was 2006 that they restarted it after initially suspending it under IAEA guidelines. After the Inspections in 2006 to verify compliance's, they then went in and reopened the plant, violating the IAEA and the UN and resumed the program.

Whatever...It doesn't matter. You and all the others will just continue to carry the banner.  Defenders of the faith....regardless of consequences. Right?  As long as it makes Israel and the United States look bad, f**k it, give Iran the bomb. Whats the worse that could happen?
 
One of the bright spots to the world hating the West, is that now the citizens of the US and Britain are pretty sick of seeing our soldiers die, while trying to do the right thing, like stop genocide and terrorism or stop insane sociopaths like the Taliban. 

So now, were pretty much not going to want to help anyone again. Which I am confident in saying the majority of Americans agree. Which is great, like when everyone spoke out against the US intervening in Syria. I remember the backlash. It was all over Al-Jazeera about the US moving an aircraft carrier to the Gulf. Everyone said to stay out, so we did.  I'm glad that worked out. So how is the sovereign nation of Syria?  I haven't heard much about it since the other Middle East countries said they would handle it. How did that work out?




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Reply #211 : February 24, 2012, 05:05:43 AM »

One of the bright spots to the world hating the West, is that now the citizens of the US and Britain are pretty sick of seeing our soldiers die, while trying to do the right thing, like stop genocide and terrorism or stop insane sociopaths like the Taliban. 


If you're sick of seeing soldiers die, here's a thought - stop invading other countries.
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Reply #212 : February 24, 2012, 09:37:00 AM »
If you're sick of seeing soldiers die, here's a thought - stop invading other countries.
I wonder how many "other countries"apart from the rhetoric issued by the saviours of the faith, are happy about being over run by suicide bombers and extreme Muslin Fundamentalists?

I do not refer to politicians, activists or terrorists but the ordinary 'Ali ordinary', the man in the street trying to raise a family and eke out a living, protecting his kin amongst the primitive and barbaric agenda's the likes of Al Qaeda apply.
All this while people sit behind a computer screen hypothesising and supporting the horrors, would they for instance support God's Servants if they rained down rockets on a military installation promoting a response that annihilated his family while God's Servants had vacated the scene and left the innocents to the consequences?

Equal standards in the hypothesisers is vital, while they talk about foreign armies invading "other countries" the states in question have previously been invaded by a foreign army of terrorists from all over the globe who attempt to apply their ultra extreme mantra to the indigenous populace to promote a response from the peace keepers.

The nature of the terrorist 'holy war' dictates they have as few operatives on the ground as possible, while they induce a response from the massed armies of the west with the unavoidable civilian casualties cynically used as a shield by the freedom fighters, servants of God, saviours of the faith whatever.

And the hypothesisers still refer to their 'Argue With None Believers' manuals.

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Reply #213 : February 24, 2012, 10:08:06 AM »
I wonder how many "other countries"apart from the rhetoric issued by the saviours of the faith, are happy about being over run by suicide bombers and extreme Muslin Fundamentalists?

I do not refer to politicians, activists or terrorists but the ordinary 'Ali ordinary', the man in the street trying to raise a family and eke out a living, protecting his kin amongst the primitive and barbaric agenda's the likes of Al Qaeda apply.
All this while people sit behind a computer screen hypothesising and supporting the horrors, would they for instance support God's Servants if they rained down rockets on a military installation promoting a response that annihilated his family while God's Servants had vacated the scene and left the innocents to the consequences?

Equal standards in the hypothesisers is vital, while they talk about foreign armies invading "other countries" the states in question have previously been invaded by a foreign army of terrorists from all over the globe who attempt to apply their ultra extreme mantra to the indigenous populace to promote a response from the peace keepers.

The nature of the terrorist 'holy war' dictates they have as few operatives on the ground as possible, while they induce a response from the massed armies of the west with the unavoidable civilian casualties cynically used as a shield by the freedom fighters, servants of God, saviours of the faith whatever.

And the hypothesisers still refer to their 'Argue With None Believers' manuals.

What?  :D

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Reply #214 : February 24, 2012, 10:16:36 AM »
Can't find your manual Shab's?  ;D

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Reply #215 : February 24, 2012, 10:39:53 AM »

No iv'e got the manual in front of me right here & now but it does not provide me with reasoning behind your post,it's just so confusing trying to breakdown in what you are trying to get across.

Sometimes you out do yourself stuey. ;)

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Reply #216 : February 24, 2012, 10:45:57 AM »
No iv'e got the manual in front of me right here & now but it does not provide me with reasoning behind your post,it's just so confusing trying to breakdown in what you are trying to get across.

Sometimes you out do yourself stuey. ;)
I know you don't have a problem with dyslexia Shabs, the post is clear in breaking down the extremist modus operandi and the benefit or not to be gained from hypotheticals from detached parties unaffected by the horrors - as you are aware.
            Although as you say your manual is rather wanting in the reasoned comment dept.
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Reply #217 : February 24, 2012, 03:52:13 PM »
Brit Extradited To US Over Arms Claims

A retired British businessman is on his way to a Texas jail after he was extradited to the United States to face charges that he illegally exported weapons parts to Iran.

Christopher Tappin, who is 65 and lives in Kent, has been handcuffed and put on a plane where he will sit between two US marshals escorting across the Atlantic today. His tearful wife Elaine accompanied him to the airport.
His lawyer described the goodbye as "distressing". "Mr Tappin has left for America," Karen Todner wrote on Twitter.

"Was v distressing when he said goodbye. The extradition treaty is inhumane."
Tappin, who said he was full of trepidation about his fate, denies any wrongdoing and says he is the innocent victim of a sting operation by US agents.
He was extradited under a controversial treaty signed off in 2003 by both the US and UK governments, which allows American prosecutors to demand British suspects are handed over without their cases ever being tested in a British court.

Earlier, he labelled his treatment a "disgrace" as he arrived at Heathrow police station.
"I look to (Prime Minister David) Cameron to look after my rights and he has failed to do so," he said.
"I have no rights. Abu Qatada is walking the streets of London today and we cannot extradite him. He has more rights than I have.
"If I was a terrorist I would not be going to America. I think it's a shame, a disgrace.
"The Conservative government, while in opposition, promised to reform the law and they failed to do so and they've let me down, they've let you down, they've let the whole country down."
During his time at the police station his overnight bag - all Ms Todner said he was allowed to take - was searched and he was allowed to spend time with his wife.

Ms Todner said: "He has been, I think, strong for his wife. He is quite calm but I think he is just dismayed by it.
"I think he can't really quite take it all in, he can't really quite comprehend what is happening to him.
Tappin fought extradition for years, but both the UK and Europeans courts said that he could be extradited.
He said earlier: "I was born in this country, I'm a taxpayer in this country, why can't you look after me? I need your protection.
"It's the one time in my life that I need your protection, yet you let me go into a brutal system which I don't know if I'll ever survive."
At Heathrow, he said he had packed some "personal stuff" including books by TV presenter Jeremy Clarkson and golfer Seve Ballesteros.

Tappin will be arriving in El Paso this afternoon. He will be appearing in court on Monday morning, so he will be in custody over the weekend.
Tappin, who has been caring for his wife, who has chronic Churg-Strauss Syndrome, said he was "not very confident at all" about his case.
"I won't be given leave to get any of my witnesses who are based in the UK because they are not allowed to testify in America by virtue of the fact they do not allow video interrogation. They have to appear personally.
"Unfortunately they will not appear in America so I don't know. I have certainly got enough facts to support my case but without the witnesses, their testimony, it's going to be very difficult.
"If I wanted anything, it was to be tried in the UK, not in America, because the Americans have never had to produce one piece of evidence.
"All the evidence shown to the court so far has come from our side.

"They have not had to produce any evidence whatsoever. We believe there is no evidence ... it's just an accusation.
"By virtue of an accusation they are allowed to extradite people from one country to another."
He said this "seems ridiculous and a disgrace to our country".
Legal commentator Joshua Rozenberg has said there is nothing Mr Cameron or any other politician can now do to stop Tappin's extradition going ahead.
"The extradition treaty between the US and UK doesn't require evidence to be presented in court, it simply provides for information to be sent from the requesting country to the country where that individual happens to be," he said.
"If that information satisfies the terms of the treaty, there's very little discretion for the Home Secretary, a minister, or the courts."
His lawyers will attempt to get him bail, but as a foreigner he is considered a flight risk and so may be remanded into custody.
In the longer term, Tappin and his legal advisers will have to weigh up whether to fight the allegations against him, which may drag on for years or come to some kind of plea-bargain deal with the authorities to speed up his return to the UK.
Either way, his stay in the American penal system will be arduous for a pensioner, according to his British lawyer Karen Todner.
"He'll be in a federal prison, which is different to a state prison, but he'll be in general population so there'll be no special area for him or anything like that," she said.
"Basically, he'll be in a dormitory of about 400 men, all facing serious criminal charges.

"He will not be in a low category prison because, as a foreigner, he's automatically declared a flight risk, so he's not entitled to go into what they call a 'prison camp', which is the lowest category."
Tappin is selling his family home to fund his legal fees in the US. If he fights his case and loses, he believes he could be sentenced to up to 35 years in jail, which would effectively mean he would die behind bars.
He knows the only realistic way he can get back to his family sooner is to plea bargain with the prosecutors.
Tappin is not the first Briton to find himself extradited to the US under the current treaty.
The so-called NatWest three were handed over to the American prosecutors following the collapse of the Enron energy company and eventually had to cut a plea deal with the authorities to secure their freedom.
Other cases such as the computer hacker Gary McKinnon, who allegedly hacked into US military systems and is fighting his extradition, are still going through the courts here.



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Reply #218 : February 24, 2012, 04:16:48 PM »
If you're sick of seeing soldiers die, here's a thought - stop invading other countries.
I agree...To bad we live in the real world.  But, why dont you prove us wrong. This is the perfect oppurtunity for these Middle East leaders and their regimes to take charge and sort their sh*t out in Syria.  You didnt want the UN or US to interfere in Syria so they didnt.  They could of saved thousands of lives and stopped Assad 6 months ago, but the Arab world cried and bitched and they didnt do SHIT.  Now its too late and now that its out of control, they want aide from the UN.

You can spout all the anti American sh*t you want, but we provide more aide, medicine, food, clothing etc..  whenever were asked.  Its real easy to point out all the bad things but never quite hear about the good things.  Never hear a debate about the billions spent when we helped Japan after the Tsunami and earthquake. How much aide did Iran send?


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Reply #219 : February 24, 2012, 05:25:05 PM »
I agree...To bad we live in the real world.  But, why dont you prove us wrong. This is the perfect oppurtunity for these Middle East leaders and their regimes to take charge and sort their sh*t out in Syria.  You didnt want the UN or US to interfere in Syria so they didnt.  They could of saved thousands of lives and stopped Assad 6 months ago, but the Arab world cried and bitched and they didnt do SHIT.  Now its too late and now that its out of control, they want aide from the UN.

You can spout all the anti American sh*t you want, but we provide more aide, medicine, food, clothing etc..  whenever were asked.  Its real easy to point out all the bad things but never quite hear about the good things.  Never hear a debate about the billions spent when we helped Japan after the Tsunami and earthquake. How much aide did Iran send?



Charity starts at home so feed the starving americans first, as for the intervention in the middle eastern countries, your administartion has been caught on the hop fella they had no choice but to endorse the "Arab Spring" would look foolish calling for democracy yet backing military dictatroship's, thats why we still have a military dictatorship in egypt with its phoney elections.

Secondly your goverment loves sticking its ore in countries it has no right in,run by me one more time what you are doing in somalia,uganda,sudan? is the USA really helping the people or just keeping its " National Intrest" alive which is to rape countries of its natural resources.

Dont give it the we the world police and the world needs us yet in reality your govement has no credability whatsoever.

Bring the troops back let them enjoy being at home with thier loved ones and not in some god forsaken illegal war ina foreign land.

Over to you.

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Reply #220 : February 24, 2012, 10:03:26 PM »
I know you don't have a problem with dyslexia Shabs


No but my man does though! miss him already  :lmao:

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Reply #221 : February 24, 2012, 10:12:37 PM »
I really cant compete with your inflated, "whoa is the world" argument. It easy for you to make all these broad, generalized statements because you dont back it up with any legitimate proof or sources. At least sources which arent copied from some bullshit, blog.

But thats what you do, your a hypocrite and conspiracy theorist who has yet to make any claim based on reasonable assumption or logic. Its always everybody elses fault or its a plot for dominance or natural resources without once admitting their is a shared responsibility that these regimes and dictators who carry out genocide on their own people are bad and are guilty.  It's because of that exact bullshit mentality you preface so openly on here, that Assad is butchering people in his country. How come your not up on your podium about that injustice?  If that was the UN or the US military you would be all on it, right? Its easy to ignore it now that you cant find a way to spin it into one of your bullshit US/UN/Israel conspiracies.

Funny how all the protests in the news now are about the Quaran's being burned, but they dont seem that upset about the slaughter of fellow Muslims, in the hundreds every day, in Homs. 

I fully understand that "Charity begins at home" we have problems too, but what your blind hatred and ignorant pessimism fails to understand is that we still do good things and offer help. How much "Foreign Aide" did Iran give to the World?  We spent 800 Million in aide for Africa in 2010, another $300 Million in private and public donations after the Japan earthquake, not including the naval ships and personnel.  Oh, yeah in 2010 the US sent $400 Million to Palestinian Authority, so tell me exactly what motives did we have their? What natural resources did we rape from the Palestinians?


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Reply #222 : February 24, 2012, 10:40:19 PM »
Oh dear...

Well using blogs and articles are very usefull, sometimes the word of others work out fine.

Not getting on my podium at speakers corner with Syria as its another manufactured war just as iraq,libya and soon to be iran were.

Protesting over the quran burning is nothing but foolish and loosing a life over it is not worth it,hitler burned many jewish books and where did that get him?

Foreign aid goes to dictatorships not to the populations, you give to keep your military bases where they are at.

The USA administartion had openly backed the cleansing of palestine off the map,thats the biggest resource your goverment stole from the palestinians..simple.Giv ing the PLO aid and munitions was a way of keeping them at war with the Hamas goverment which was democratically elected but never recognised by your administarton so no unity could be formed.

 How much foreign aid was given to Ben Ali of Tunisia & Mubarak of Egypt 2 staunch allies of USA administartion in the region? probably more that all those figures you quoted.

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Reply #223 : February 25, 2012, 01:30:28 AM »
Oh dear...

Well using blogs and articles are very usefull, sometimes the word of others work out fine.

Not getting on my podium at speakers corner with Syria as its another manufactured war just as iraq,libya and soon to be iran were.

Protesting over the quran burning is nothing but foolish and loosing a life over it is not worth it,hitler burned many jewish books and where did that get him?

Foreign aid goes to dictatorships not to the populations, you give to keep your military bases where they are at.

The USA administartion had openly backed the cleansing of palestine off the map,thats the biggest resource your goverment stole from the palestinians..simple.Giv ing the PLO aid and munitions was a way of keeping them at war with the Hamas goverment which was democratically elected but never recognised by your administarton so no unity could be formed.

 How much foreign aid was given to Ben Ali of Tunisia & Mubarak of Egypt 2 staunch allies of USA administartion in the region? probably more that all those figures you quoted.
Oh OK..So Syria is our fault now, which makes what Assad is doing alright.  So, all the posts about justice for the Muslims and maintaining sovereignty etc, is just bullshit. Your outrage goes only as far as it suits your conspiracy agendas.  As long as a Muslim is committing crimes on other Muslims you really dont care and cant be bothered.

Its funny because, I’m not a Muslim and in your eyes I am the enemy and I really do think he should be stopped because he is butchering women and children with tanks and rockets and you don’t give a f**k because you cant find a way to spin in into your agenda.

I’m not really shocked because you’re a hypocrite and every time a legitimate point is brought up its either ignored or is just flippantly brushed aside as yet another grand, elaborate conspiracy. You cant make one intelligent counterpoint that is not somehow linked to some improvable theory.


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Reply #224 : February 25, 2012, 09:16:05 AM »
Oh OK..So Syria is our fault now, which makes what Assad is doing alright.  So, all the posts about justice for the Muslims and maintaining sovereignty etc, is just bullshit. Your outrage goes only as far as it suits your conspiracy agendas.  As long as a Muslim is committing crimes on other Muslims you really dont care and cant be bothered.

Its funny because, I’m not a Muslim and in your eyes I am the enemy and I really do think he should be stopped because he is butchering women and children with tanks and rockets and you don’t give a f**k because you cant find a way to spin in into your agenda.

I’m not really shocked because you’re a hypocrite and every time a legitimate point is brought up its either ignored or is just flippantly brushed aside as yet another grand, elaborate conspiracy. You cant make one intelligent counterpoint that is not somehow linked to some improvable theory.




American foreign policy is partly to blame for its one sided policies in the region, i cant see sanction or american intervention even condemnations in qatar, baharain,saudi, kuwait who are crushing protest with an iron fist.

I dont see how you can be my enemy when i dont know you & assad needs stopping but not by military intervention & if you are so concerned about the welfare of the syrian people why have you never come out with such statements regarding Israel which has committed just as henious acts against the palestinian people, now thats an agenda by not even acknowledgeing the fact or are you just plain ignorant?


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Reply #225 : February 25, 2012, 09:37:22 AM »
Look, I'm just pointing out the double standards and hypocrisy in people's arguments.  Said posters don't deny the double standards and hypocrisy - but hey, why stand up and fight against it, when it's much easier to simply justify it via a series of logical fallacies.  To most rational, logical and balanced people, that speaks volumes about where you truly stand on the matter.

I just wonder how long before we've been fed the Iran-Syria-al'Qaeda link.  Perhaps that bogeyman is still useful for a bit?

How many more people need to die for the rest to take action?  Can't help but shake the feeling that the answer for a few posters on here is "as many as it takes, so long as none are in my backyard".
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Reply #226 : February 25, 2012, 12:40:17 PM »
Look, I'm just pointing out the double standards and hypocrisy in people's arguments.  Said posters don't deny the double standards and hypocrisy - but hey, why stand up and fight against it, when it's much easier to simply justify it via a series of logical fallacies.  To most rational, logical and balanced people, that speaks volumes about where you truly stand on the matter.

I just wonder how long before we've been fed the Iran-Syria-al'Qaeda link.  Perhaps that bogeyman is still useful for a bit?

How many more people need to die for the rest to take action?  Can't help but shake the feeling that the answer for a few posters on here is "as many as it takes, so long as none are in my backyard".
You assume that everyone but yourself is a gullible soul who swallows what those in a position of power require them to.
Has it ever occurred to you that there are a good many individuals who do not take any propoganda for the masses from whatever source and make a balanced judgement based on their own knowledge and standards?
As an instance consider the nature of  education and teaching in general in the developed world to that in the underdeveloped regions.
I might interject here and state that I am an atheist but not for the want of religious knowledge which every child is subject to from an early age in the UK, more so personal choice based on perception.
Education in many financially challenged countries takes second place to religion for the masses as a control medium.
There are beliefs where an inflexible code of conduct is dictated and the guidelines and parameters are not to be questioned under any circumstances - a fundamental commitment is required and none believers are vilified, there are instances where said none believers are required to be annihilated.
You can talk all day about double standards, fallacy's, Al qaeda and whatever the over riding problem is religion or rather the nefarius motives so called "religious leaders" want to persue with it.
If I may say so a dismissive attitude such as yours is only a help to the bigots and religious zealots in our midst.   
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Reply #227 : March 05, 2012, 10:42:03 AM »
bbc news

                           Obama Warns Of Force Against Iran


                   President Barack Obama says the US "will not hesitate" use force to prevent Iran obtaining
                     nuclear weapons, but says diplomacy is still could still succeed.
                   Addressing an influential pro-Israeli lobby group, Mr Obama also warned against "loose talk" of war
                     in the dispute with Tehran.
                  Earlier Israeli President Shimon Peres said Iran was "a danger to the world".
                  The US and it's allies suspect that Iran is attempting to develop nuclear weapons, a claim
                    denies.                                             

                               http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-17251279
                                                                 



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Reply #228 : March 05, 2012, 10:51:26 AM »
I dont think the US or israeli presidents have the mandate to attack another soverign state, surely that is the role of the UN which decides what action is appropriate?

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Reply #229 : March 05, 2012, 11:07:27 AM »
Addressing an influential pro-Israeli lobby group

No agenda here then

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Reply #230 : March 05, 2012, 11:34:26 AM »
They are not contemplating an attack on Iran but are as concerned as we all are about the tenuous situation in Iran, Israel does not have the geographical luxury that the majority passing comment do, this madman they perceive is at their front door.
The above refers to a rather more pressing agenda than that Ahmedinejad is engrossed in, not Iran, not the people of Iran but one individual hell bent on confrontation with the possibility of an atomic capability as a threat.
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Reply #231 : March 05, 2012, 11:36:56 AM »

Do as you are told or no re election, get it you schmuck  >:D.

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Reply #232 : March 05, 2012, 01:03:35 PM »
but one individual hell bent on confrontation

I wouldn't defend his character (as I wouldn't for most national leaders including our own) but I don't see how you've formed the opinion that he's hell bent on confrontation. Does he have a track record of confrontation (with other nations)?

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Reply #233 : March 05, 2012, 04:09:27 PM »
I wouldn't defend his character (as I wouldn't for most national leaders including our own) but I don't see how you've formed the opinion that he's hell bent on confrontation. Does he have a track record of confrontation (with other nations)?
His confrontational anti western rhetoric is alarming to say the least and the mere concept of him acquiring a nuclear capability is
horrifying.
To put a US cospiracy theory anywhere near the threat is extremely naive, the man's anti semitic views are disputed by some but the extreme religious stance Iran takes totally matches such statements, his unstable demeanour would to any right minded person automatically exclude him from the weapons of mass destructions list.
I take no directive, propoganda or inuendo from Obama, Peres or Cameron - these are logical assumptions.

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Reply #234 : March 05, 2012, 04:59:15 PM »
Give me one example of his anti-western rhetoric that justifies your assertion that he is hell-bent on confrontation or perhaps an example of the extreme religious stance that Iran has taken that suggests Iran would be hell-bent on confrontation.

I repeat my question also "Does he have a track record of confrontation with other nations?".

(Some of the countries that are pointing an accusing finger do have such a track record. Iran on the other hand has not attacked another country in centuries.)

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Re: UN Finds Iran Nuclear Arms Bid
Reply #235 : March 05, 2012, 05:27:37 PM »
Same old, same old.
Please don't insult my intelligence  with those nutmegs.
I repeat that is my conviction based on what I perceive, irrespective of your cloaked enquiries.
Why the hell does he need nuclear power?
Iran is rich in oil resources and does not need an alternative power source.
Much less the inconvenience and expense of disposing of the hazardous waste.
Expense however is not a concern to an oil rich dictator who is able throw billions at a nuclear development programme that is of no viable use to the general populace.
I'm sure there are dozens more reasons that would negate the odd one or two causes you might conjure up in it's favour but to me it is a no brainer.
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Re: UN Finds Iran Nuclear Arms Bid
Reply #236 : March 05, 2012, 06:08:21 PM »
Give me one example of his anti-western rhetoric that justifies your assertion that he is hell-bent on confrontation or perhaps an example of the extreme religious stance that Iran has taken that suggests Iran would be hell-bent on confrontation.

I'll take it you can't answer that one then, Stuey

I repeat my question also "Does he have a track record of confrontation with other nations?".

Nor that one

Until you answer these questions your assertion that he is hell-bent on confrontation is unproven.

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Re: UN Finds Iran Nuclear Arms Bid
Reply #237 : March 05, 2012, 07:06:57 PM »
It wont be long before the oil dries up in iran so i guess the logical move would be a civilian nuclear programme.

As a NPT signatory Iran has the right to nuclear power.

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Re: UN Finds Iran Nuclear Arms Bid
Reply #238 : March 06, 2012, 11:48:45 AM »
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/08/opinion/08iht-edstern.4136795.html?_r=1
From the New York Times 2007
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Iran has ensnared itself in a petroleum crisis that could drive its oil exports to zero by 2015. While Iran has the third- largest oil reserves in the world, its exports may be shrinking by 10 to 12 percent per year.


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Even Iran's nuclear power program, dismissed by the U.S. administration as a foil for weapons development, is a symptom of petro-collapse.


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Most Iranian electric power generation is by oil or gas. Cheaper power from Iran's new Russian reactor will leave more oil for export. Rebuilding Iran's aging gas-powered generators may not be much cheaper than building a new nuclear reactor. But Russia sells reactors to Iran on the cheap in an indirect subsidy to the regime.


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Re: UN Finds Iran Nuclear Arms Bid
Reply #239 : March 06, 2012, 03:47:30 PM »


 your assertion that he is hell-bent on confrontation is unproven.
So is your presumption that he isn't.