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I think the title of the movie is a big clue..Its not the "Rise" of Batman but a new "Knight".

I think well see the "Knightfall and the Breaking the Bat" Storyline, then it will go Levitt's character picking up as "Nightwing". Nightwing took over as the Knight of Gotham when Batman "Died"


I feel like a moron for not working that out sooner haha!

And I agree that what you've said about Nightwing sounds very plausible. JGL's character will have a huge role in it. I think he's my favourite actor at the minute.

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Saw those storylines mentioned on a few blogs. Would be fantastic if Nolan finished with them. I'm loving how he saved Batman after the sh*t that was Batman and Robin. True to the comics like no other. Must stay away from the sneak preview stuff.

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Saw those storylines mentioned on a few blogs. Would be fantastic if Nolan finished with them. I'm loving how he saved Batman after the sh*t that was Batman and Robin. True to the comics like no other. Must stay away from the sneak preview stuff.

Yeah, I've watched the first 6 minutes online, very poor quality video though, so it's hardly worth it.

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SO. FUCKING. EXCITE.

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Love cracked.com for its humor, but this is an awesome post/article there.

Advanced Batman Theory: Why Nolan Will Kill Bruce Wayne

In a few weeks, we will all get to see a six minute prologue of the much-anticipated The Dark Knight Rises, which will be attached to the less-anticipated Mission Impossible: Ghost Protocol. Several months after that, we will get to see the final installment in Christopher Nolan's Batman Trilogy. However, I can already tell you what will (or should) happen in the film ...

SPOILER AND OFFENSIVE LANGUAGE ALERT: Batman goddamn dies.

Of course, that probably won't be the only thing that happens, but it will be what everyone is trying to not talk about in front of people who haven't seen it yet. As an expert in Advanced Batman Theory (and with a cursory knowledge of Quantum Batman Theory), I can tell you without seeing a single minute of the movie that this is how it has to go down. Nolan has said time and time again that he will not return to the Batman franchise. He is telling his own Batman story and when Rises hits theaters, that's the end of it. Christian Bale has made similar claims. But that's only a small fraction of why I think -- nay, why I know -- that the Dark Knight must die. Here's why ...

The Prestige: The Pledge

Before we start, it's important that you know two things: 1) I might be insane, and 2) I really hope Christopher Nolan is a genius. Here is proof of both.

After making Batman Begins (part 1 in The Dark Knight Trilogy), Nolan made The Prestige, a film about magicians and David Bowie. In it, Nolan gave us the three steps to performing an illusion: The Pledge, The Turn and The Prestige. The Pledge is the setup. It presents to you something ordinary that is most likely not ordinary at all. The Turn takes that ordinary something and makes it do something extraordinary. Something unexpected. And then there's The Prestige, which basically just blows your f**king mind. It takes the unexpected something from The Turn and turns it on its head, making you believe in magic.

What I'm getting at, and what I suspect about Nolan, is that he is currently on the tail end of finishing two separate trilogies. When he was done with part one of the Dark Knight Trilogy, he made part one of his other trilogy, which was The Prestige. I will call this his Prestige Trilogy, because that was the movie in which he told us exactly what he was going to do to us. In The Prestige, Nolan told us all about The Pledge, Turn and Prestige. We saw journals within journals and stories within stories. In Inception, Nolan gave us The Turn: He took that ordinary idea of stories within stories, and he turned it on its head and made it something extraordinary. Whatever film Nolan makes after The Dark Knight Rises will be The Prestige of that trilogy. Inception was The Turn and The Prestige was The Pledge.
So what does this have to do with Batman? Well, first, I just want to be clear about the kind of storyteller I think we're dealing with: the insane and awesome kind. But it also establishes a pattern. Christopher Nolan tells us what he's going to do to us years before he makes the movie that actually does it. And Nolan has already told us in his previous Batman movies what he's going to do to us with the third. We just need to connect the dots. With Batmath.

Two-Face(s): The Turn(s)

The love interest in the first two films was Rachel Dawes and she's (spoiler alert) f**king dead now. Rachel (Katie Holmes/Maggie Gyllenhaal) was the last connection Bruce had to his former self, before his parents died, before The Batman (BTB). She told him as much at the end of Begins:

"No, *this* is your mask. Your real face is the one that criminals now fear. The man I loved -- the man who vanished -- he never came back at all [from BTB]. But maybe he's still out there, somewhere. Maybe some day, when Gotham no longer needs Batman, I'll see him again."

And she saw him again, briefly, in Dark Knight. She was right, kind of. Except then she (SPOILER ALERT) f**king died, and the last bit of the Bruce she remembered died with her. Now let's Turn the faces, or flip the coin, or at least look at this picture again.

On the other side of the faces we have Harvey Dent (Aaron Eckhart), the White Knight of Gotham. The White Knight that The Joker (AND KIND OF BATMAN A LITTLE) eventually turned into Two-Face (Aaron Eckhart). Oh and then? He f**king died. Rachel and Harvey, sittin' in a tree, b-e-i-n-g d-e-a-d. Their deaths were huge turns for a Batman Trilogy to take. Aside from some Robins every now and then, nobody dies. This meant that anyone could die. The Batman, in all his glorious Batmannery, couldn't save the good guy OR his love interest. Batman may have proven The Joker wrong with the two bombed boats at the end of Dark Knight, but Joker proved Bruce Wayne wrong with Two-Face and Rachel. See, that's the joke.

Ha.

With each death, a piece of Bruce died, and a piece of Nolan's Batman Prestige was being placed. By the end of The Dark Knight, Bruce is metaphorically pretty f**king dead already. Alfred keeps him hanging on a bit with his "so we can pick ourselves back up" talk, but he knows he's not saying it to Bruce anymore. He's saying it to The Goddamn Batman. A Batman that now only has one goal: Hardcore Batmannery. In terms of story within a Batman Trilogy, that's ... well, that's close to the end of the line. All that's left is a bunch of episodes of Batman being Batman, fighting villains as Batman. But that's not what Nolan's in for. He's making a Trilogy. This is the end of the line. So who do we turn to but ...

Bane: The Bat Breaker

If you're a fan of the comic book, you know that Bane is most famous for breaking Batman's back. If you're a fan of the other Batman movies, then you think he's most famous for having neon blood.

But mostly he's known for breaking the Batman's back. It's the one thing you do when Bane's involved, unless you want to be Bruce Lame about it. But ALSO unless you're Christopher Nolan, because Nolan isn't about recreating moments from Batman comics. He's about reinventing ideas from Batman comics. He's about creating his Batman. And in his Batman, things are grittier. The stakes are higher. Things break harder.

Bruce The Batman can be broken until he's dead because Nolan's Batverse is real, or at least it's the realist. Aside from the fact that there are Batmen, Nolan tries really hard to keep his Batverse within the realm of possibility. And death, as he has shown us already, is very possible. Don't feel bad for Bruce, though, because if you turn to page 2 you'll know that above all else, Nolan's Batman is ...

Batman: The Symbol

"People need dramatic examples to shake them out of apathy and I can't do that as Bruce Wayne. As a man I'm flesh and blood. I can be ignored. I can be destroyed. But as a symbol ... as a symbol I can be incorruptible. I can be everlasting." -- Bruce Wayne, duh.

Batman can survive Nolan's version of Gotham City, because Batmanhas to survive Gotham City. But Bruce Wayne can't, doesn't and won't survive it. Bruce Wayne is just flesh and blood. He can and will be destroyed, because Nolan isn't telling a bunch of Batman and Bruce Wayne stories. Nolan is telling the Batman and Bruce Wayne story. In short:

"Bruce Wayne creates a symbol of fear and justice, Batman; Bruce Wayne becomes Batman; Batman just Batmans the f**k out of Gotham City; Batman becomes more of an ideal/symbol than a bat/man; Bruce Wayne dies; Batman lives on as others don the cowl." -- Me, hi!

That's the story we've been watching in this trilogy. Nolan has even recently said, "It's really all about finishing Batman and Bruce Wayne's story ... Perhaps surprisingly for some people, our story picks up quite a bit later, eight years after The Dark Knight."

No, that's not surprising at all. Eight years is enough time for Batman to solidify his place in Gotham as The Goddamn Batman. Eight years is enough time for Bruce Wayne to solidify Batman as the Legend of the Dark Knight we know. If I can briefly quote The Sandlot (I can and am about to): "Heroes get remembered; legends never die." This Hero's Journey may end with the death of Bruce Wayne, but the Legend doesn't stop after that. When the Dark Knight falls, the Dark Knight must also rise ...

The Dark Knight Rises: The Prestige

It could be argued that if -- I mean when -- Bruce Wayne dies, he will just come back thanks to a Lazarus Pit, which you may know from the Batman comics. Used by Ra's Al Ghul (Liam Neeson in Begins), a Lazarus Pit can breathe new life into the dead. However, aside from there being no indication of their existence in either films, the mere idea of them is far too magical for the world Nolan has constructed. And the film is called The Dark Knight Rises, not The Dark Knight Rises Just Like Jesus With Magic Because We Don't Get Enough Jesus Imagery In Films But Seriously Magic Sounds Great And As We All Know, Christopher Nolan Is Terrible At Movies. Catchy title, sure, but not likely.

Alfred (Michael Caine) often talks to "Master Wayne" about how "we fall... [for the sole purpose of picking]... ourselves back up." Like, he says it a lot. And it rings even truer when Alfred is no longer talking to a man, but a symbol. Bruce Wayne sacrifices himself and The Dark Knight picks itself back up. But who will rise as the Dark Knight? Someone has to, because even though this Batman Universe is over, it can't just have Bruce die and then a title card that says "Then everyone was bummed forever. The end." Nolan has said that he will never include Robin in his Batman films. Robin, after all, isn't necessary for the Dark Knight Legend. But if there's no Robin, who will put on the cowl? He's brought us this far, there's got to be someone who's up for the job, and it had better not be some 12-year-old acrobat or some Chris O'Donnell-aged acrobat. Oh, here he is.

This officer's name is John Blake, and not much is known about him. He's "a Gotham City beat cop assigned to special duty under the command of Commissioner Gordon". He's played by Joseph Gordon-Levitt. He's a brand new character in the Batman Universe, created by Nolan for this film. Except that John Blake has actually shown up, just once, in a single page of a Batman coloring book:

It's already been pointed out that Nolan potentially incepted the idea for Inception from an old Donald Duck comic. It appears that once again he is a sneaky b***ard. No, the kid's parents didn't die, but that's not a requirement for Batmannery; it's just the origin of it. Here we have a beat cop named John Blake. He's tough, he has a heart of gold and he's committed to justice. He's tight with Commissioner Gordon, who had a close relationship with the currently-dead Batman. And Gotham still needs someone to its Batmanning. The Prestige ends here, but the legend of the Dark Knight has just begun to rise.

Or Bruce will come back from the dead thanks to a magical Lazarus Pit because a Prestige is supposed to make you believe in magic so I guess the best way to accomplish that is to basically say "Yup, magic."

Maybe that's the joke.

Ha.

http://www.cracked.com/blog/advanced-batman-theory-why-nolan-will-kill-bruce-wayne/

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I love that article! haha

But who will rise as the Dark Knight? Someone has to, because even though this Batman Universe is over, it can't just have Bruce die and then a title card that says "Then everyone was bummed forever. The end."
:lmao:

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I love that article! haha

But who will rise as the Dark Knight? Someone has to, because even though this Batman Universe is over, it can't just have Bruce die and then a title card that says "Then everyone was bummed forever. The end."
:lmao:

I highly recommend Cracked.com. Absolutely hilarious web site.

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I highly recommend Cracked.com. Absolutely hilarious web site.

I know it mate, they do a lot of 'Top 10' kind of lists that have me in tears of laughter sometimes.

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Zack Hemsey - "The Way (Instrumental)"


Think this music would be perfect for a breaking the bat video.

Instead here's lego:
The Dark Knight Rises Trailer 2: IN LEGO

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Got my tickets to see it in IMAX. First time seeing any movie in that format.

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Holy sh*t, I can't wait to see 'The Dark Knight Rises'!

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I hope the Dark Knight Rises better than my souffle.
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I hope the Dark Knight Rises better than my souffle.

 :laugh: Did it fall a bit flat Rodders  :f_whistle:

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Possible Spoiler alert!
Maybe ;)









Iam hoping they go the way in the comics were batman has his back broken by bane, and obviously cant go flying around gotham giving what for the baddies, and a guy, well I think he's a "guy" called Azrail (sp) come in to cover, Not sure if nightwing gets involved at this point too, it was a long time ago I read it, but from what I remember Azrail was kinds like Batman, but where as Bats wouldnt, or tried his best not to, kill anyone, Azrail kinda enjoyed doing it....not too sure though, will have to dig in the shed to see if I still got em.
But anyways I really cant wait to see this film :D

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Epic

The Dark Knight Rises - Exclusive Nokia Trailer Debut [HD]

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10 days to go, can not wait!
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9 days until this is out! I've been waiting for this for ages now!!

Booked Premiere IMAX tickets in Liverpool One to go see it on the 26th, so I'll have to wait a little bit longer but I don't mind really! 

It's going to be absolutely epic.

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TV Spots really heating up now. I can't wait.

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Had dreams about this 2 nights in a row, thought i could make it a hat-trick but no, it wasn't to be. Then dreamt about it again the next night. ;D

Can you tell i'm itching to see it? :D

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So this is it folks.
We're approaching the final chapter of one of the greatest trilogies Of. All. Time.

http://www.superherohype.com/features/articles/171847-9-thing-you-may-not-know-about-the-dark-knight-series



« Last Edit: July 18, 2012, 09:36:27 AM by racerx34 »

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The Dark Knight Rises Ultimate Trilogy Trailer - Christopher Nolan Batman Movie Legacy HD


Tickets booked.
Bring on the weekend.

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I can't bloody wait. Got tickets booked for tomorrow night and I went to the cinema on Tuesday to watch Batman Begins and The Dark Knight back to back. As a warm up.

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It's probably going to be next week before I can see it... Gutted.



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I'll probably watch this on Cheap Day Tuesday next week.

I'll be watching this thread to see what people think of it so PLEASE don't post spoilers or at least add SPOILER ALERT to the very start of your posts so I can skip them  ;)

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I'll probably watch this on Cheap Day Tuesday next week.

I'll be watching this thread to see what people think of it so PLEASE don't post spoilers or at least add SPOILER ALERT to the very start of your posts so I can skip them  ;)


I agree, Ive booked to watch it on the 26th so if anyone spoils it for me before then I will be very unhappy.

This picture pretty much sums it up:



A thread for discussion AFTER viewing would be a good idea. And make sure it has spoiler in capital Letters written everywhere!

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No spoilers here, but my mate who's seen it (and is a big film watcher) says he's disappointed as it's just not as cool and slick as The Dark Knight, and the story isn't as good. Lack of the Joker stealing the show perhaps? Apparently you still can't hear Bane properly sometimes either.

Just dampening some expectations :D

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Heard two reviews yesterday.
Get the feeling that a lot of reviewers are trying to get a reaction or kudos from their "feeling" that this is not as good.
A few points:

1) Joker. As a main villain may never, for me, be beaten. That was as good as it gets for me.
    As good as Bane will be he won't match the Joker.

2) Anna Hathaway will not equal Michelle Pfeiffer, for me, as Catwoman.

3) Due to the success of The Dark Knight we have all done our homework on this.
    Comic-book back-stories. Character possibilities and development.
    To suggest then that the TDKR offered nothing new is for me a snide comment from
    observers. The hype around this movie has been monstrous. Everyone has a good
    idea what to expect and to feign disappointment when this happens is disingenuous.

One of the greatest trilogies of all time is coming to a conclusion.
I for one will enjoy it.


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Apparently you still can't hear Bane properly sometimes either.

That's what I heard on the radio yesterday. They said it was really difficult to understand Bane because of the mask and, at times, Batmans (ridiculous) gruff voice was also difficult to understand.

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Watched it today, first day first show.   ;D

A few points:

1) Don't compare it to The Dark Knight and certainly don't compare Bane to The Joker. Its just unfair. Enjoy the movie for what it is.

2) In reply to artaylor's post, I didn't find it difficult hearing Bane, seemed ok to me.

I enjoyed the movie, was a very good watch.

One of the best trilogies of all time.

Look out for Nolan's Superman movie next year.  :f_whistle:

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1) Don't compare it to The Dark Knight

I've just this munute seen a mate's review on Facebook and he reckons it's better than The Dark Night.

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