Correct. Absolutely correct.
you know this whole idea of "rebuilding" and "moving forward" and its opposite "starting from scratch" are all really based on a lot of assumptions and guesswork and a lot of things all going right.
I personally don't. But based on what I've seen this last month, and with talk of the transfer committee being overhauled, and Studge due back, I'm assuming we are moving in the right direction. How do YOU know we are not?
let me put it another way: how exactly do you KNOW we are going in the right direction? I'm not just talking about Rodgers, but FSG, the players, everything. How do you know we're going in the right direction?
Correct. Though when Man U didn't win the league that particular season before they did actually win it for the first in 26 years, they were probably thinking things were looking bright and moving in the right direction, and the rest is history. In short, your analogy proves very little - either way.
I mean f**king hell I think it was in 2006 that Bolton finished something like 5th. I'm sure they thought they were going in the right direction. didn't work out well for them didn't it.
Fed, that's all people are saying; that they 'think' things are moving in the right direction (I've given you my reasons for thinking so).
The point is, you really have no way to know that in fact the road we're on is the right one. It might be! but it might not be.
I think consistently winning and improving is the answer to, well, consistently winning and improving. Your example is flawed because Moyes was nothing more than a manager in a consistent job with a consistent mid table team. There's positive consistency, negative, and mediocre. Anything could qualify as being consistent as long as the status quo is maintained.
You think that consistency is somehow the answer to everything but Everton had Moyes for more than a decade and never won a damn thing. So consistency doesn't always bring success. It can definitely bring about mediocrity though.
Correct. Up until the point where I NOW (currently, this moment) believe things are moving in the right direction. All to do with perspective
We just got rid of one of the top 3 players in world football and replaced him with a bunch of mid-table superstars. On its surface that doesn't seem like "going in the right direction." The results since then and the regression of several players from last season only prove the point even further.
it IS possible that in fact we are going in the wrong direction,
Yup. True. It's also entirely possible that we are now going in the right direction.
Wait. What? We ripped it up and started from scratch so many times this last half a dozen seasons that my head is spinning (as was Rafa's, Roy's and KK's). This is the EXACT reason WHY we need to keep the Gaffer at least until season's end and not rip things up - because the evidence however small, points to the fact that we are now moving in the right direction (for the reasons see above).
and it would be better to rip it up and start from scratch than wait another 2-3 years and have to do it anyway.
'If' that happens, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it. I can't deal in hypothetical straw man arguments. Or, if so, I put it to you, what if we finish 4th and buy Higuain and capture Khedeira? That's a hypothetical situation of moving in the right direction; but until yours or my hypothetical situation comes to fruition, it's all hot air and assumptions based on trying to predict the future.
If we finish 10th this season and Madrid come in with a massive bid for Sterling, do you think he's going to say no? then if he goes, we'll have lost Suarez and Sterling and still have nothing to show for it. Oh but it'll be okay as long as we are consistent apparently.
Correct. That's all anyone is saying. Some are saying we might be moving in the wrong direction and others are saying we might be moving in the right direction; you just seem to have a beef with those claiming we are moving in the right direction.
Look. All I'm saying is there is no way to know that we are going in the right direction or not. We may well be doing. But we might not be either.
I haven't see one poster who has said 'as long as we keep ploughing ahead 'regardless of how poor we are playing' we are going in the right direction. Nobody is saying mediocre is great and let's just keep THAT consistent.
And yet everyone just assumes that as long as you keep ploughing ahead you are doing the right thing.
People are saying they believe we are moving in the right direction and they are giving their reason, and it's THAT part I think you have missed; that there are 'reasons' some think we are moving in the right direction. They are only small reasons to be fair, and yes, if Arsenal beat us today, folk will re-evaluate the situation. But a win or a loss doesn't really tell the whole story either way. It's a marker, but not the be all and end all. What if Arsenal beat us but we continue to show clear improvement on the field in terms of performance? What if we dominate and they get a fluky penalty in the 92 min?
It's all very subjective where you might think we are right now, but to claim folk are closing their eyes and sticking fingers in their ears and shouting 'we are improving we ARE improving' is not accurate.