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      The huge Anfield problem

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      Re: The huge Anfield problem
      Reply #2369: Nov 22, 2015 11:57:44 pm
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      Good call, 6 string.
      I thought Klopp might introduce the whole Dortmund PA system thing after Sunday, but I'm uneasy with it.   The reason is it feels forced and strangely un-Scouse!  What used to get us all laughing, singing and feeling bloody great about Anfield was the wit and spontaneity of the songs and chants.  Not much chance of wit and spontaneity with a call and response PA.  Not unless one or two of us guys gets hold of the microphone!

      No it's not spontaneous nor witty, but it helps to drive atmospheres, and help make a hostile environment for away fans and teams.

      Some games sell atmospheres on their own. And others  don't. There'll be no singing at the next home game. People will still leave 10 minutes before the end, whether we're winning or not. Home games against unfashionable opposition need a bit extra to generate and sustain a decent atmosphere.
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      Re: The huge Anfield problem
      Reply #2370: Nov 23, 2015 01:03:46 am
      Much prefer the away games, it wouldn't surprise me if the players do - you actually hear our fans!
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      Re: The huge Anfield problem
      Reply #2371: Nov 23, 2015 06:02:08 pm
      Statement On Flags And Banners On The Kop

      Below is a statement, hosted here, on behalf of the supporters responsible for many flags and banners as an update to the current situation.

      Last weekend, supporters from Spion Kop 1906, On The Kop forum, the owner of the large Kop surfer flag and others responsible for the majority of flags and banners, met to discuss the recent issues that ultimately led to the removal of flags and banners prior to the Crystal Palace match at Anfield last week.

      That decision had been taken by Spion Kop 1906 and was supported by all others, as sign of disapproval at recent events. Many have sought to pin this decision to one incident, but as was discussed on Sunday, this was in fact the culmination of a number of incidents that supporters felt left them with no choice.

      It is a matter of record that at the final home game of last season, a supporter was involved in an incident with another supporter which has recently led to a supporter being banned from all football matches for three years, fined and subject to a curfew via electronic tag. Many have commented on this matter and the severity of the punishment for an incident that many have previously bore witness to, both inside football stadiums and elsewhere.

      However, not previously discussed are the incidents that contributed to this matter and have subsequently taken place which has left supporters angry. These include:

      Ahead of the Crystal Palace match, the club indicated their willingness to do a mosaic to mark the last Anfield appearance of Steven Gerrard. They spoke to Spion Kop 1906 about this and the supporters planned the mosaic along with subsequent banner displays to take place. This was agreed with the club. On the day of the match, stewards were unaware of the plans. The club had failed to communicate the plans to stewards ahead of the match and there were various disagreements and arguments that took place with threats made by stewards. Many feel this was a contributing factor to the incident that occurred.

      During the summer, Spion Kop 1906 were invited to a meeting with the club. They understood this to be a discussion to rectify the stewarding issues at the Crystal Palace match. The supporters were accompanied by a Spirit Of Shankly representative and it became apparent that the meeting was to discuss the incident at the Crystal Palace. Supporters were confronted and asked to name the supporter involved as the matter had now been passed to the police. The club later apologised for how the matter had been handled.

      One of the supporters involved in Spion Kop 1906 was regularly contacted by Merseyside Police, asking for information and applying pressure to name the individual, with threats that Spion Kop 1906 would find their names in the local paper and would be linked to a disability hate crime. This was particularly concerning and offensive to the individual who has a relative in a wheel chair.

      Even after the individual involved in the Crystal Palace incident had spoken to the police, Spion Kop 1906 were asked to meet with Merseyside Police’s Football Intelligence Officer. They met in the police cells within Anfield stadium and were told that they should be grateful for being allowed to do the flags. They were also told that the police had been asked to speak to the supporters but would not say who by. It is assumed that as this meeting took place on club property, the club were aware of it.

      There was the subsequent proposals for supporters with flags and banners to be ‘accredited’ which were later dropped after a meeting with the club.

      The supporter involved in the Crystal Palace incident, was banned by Liverpool FC, following two complaints from the other individual involved in the incident. This was ahead of any court hearing. The supporter was banned without any contact from the club and was informed by letter. When he contacted them to discuss this, the club refused to enter into dialogue with him and said they would not take representations from him and that this matter was separate to the court case ongoing at the time. This has caused concern for Spirit Of Shankly and the club have so far failed to respond appropriately to discuss this matter to put in place a fair and transparent process for supporters.

      The above incidents have left some supporters angry and with a fear and threat of being unfairly targeted and even banned if they find themselves in a disagreement with a supporter or if the club do not like what they are doing. It is worth remembering that all these supporters produce these flags and banners in their own time and often at their own expense or from contributions from other supporters. They plan and choreograph displays, often arriving in the ground early forsaking activities that may take place pre-match. These images are used by the club, framed with sponsors logos around the Kop, to sell merchandise and a vision of Anfield - a spectacle to come and marvel at, the traditions of Anfield and LFC in full flow. Supporters are now left questioning if LFC value them, or just the image they provide.

      Supporters feel these issues need addressing if they are to continue to provide one of the few remaining high points of an Anfield atmosphere. It is with this in mind that they have contacted LFC to ask for a meeting to seek a positive resolution, one that gives them the reassurances they need and deserve so there is no repeat of these incidents moving forward and the club can learn lessons.

      Supporters plan to bring back the flags and banners providing LFC respond positively to the request to meet.


      http://www.spiritofshankly.com/news/statement-on-flags-and-banners-on-the-kop
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      Re: The huge Anfield problem
      Reply #2372: Nov 24, 2015 10:25:13 am
      Statement On Flags And Banners On The Kop

      Below is a statement, hosted here, on behalf of the supporters responsible for many flags and banners as an update to the current situation.

      Last weekend, supporters from Spion Kop 1906, On The Kop forum, the owner of the large Kop surfer flag and others responsible for the majority of flags and banners, met to discuss the recent issues that ultimately led to the removal of flags and banners prior to the Crystal Palace match at Anfield last week.

      That decision had been taken by Spion Kop 1906 and was supported by all others, as sign of disapproval at recent events. Many have sought to pin this decision to one incident, but as was discussed on Sunday, this was in fact the culmination of a number of incidents that supporters felt left them with no choice.

      It is a matter of record that at the final home game of last season, a supporter was involved in an incident with another supporter which has recently led to a supporter being banned from all football matches for three years, fined and subject to a curfew via electronic tag. Many have commented on this matter and the severity of the punishment for an incident that many have previously bore witness to, both inside football stadiums and elsewhere.

      However, not previously discussed are the incidents that contributed to this matter and have subsequently taken place which has left supporters angry. These include:

      Ahead of the Crystal Palace match, the club indicated their willingness to do a mosaic to mark the last Anfield appearance of Steven Gerrard. They spoke to Spion Kop 1906 about this and the supporters planned the mosaic along with subsequent banner displays to take place. This was agreed with the club. On the day of the match, stewards were unaware of the plans. The club had failed to communicate the plans to stewards ahead of the match and there were various disagreements and arguments that took place with threats made by stewards. Many feel this was a contributing factor to the incident that occurred.

      During the summer, Spion Kop 1906 were invited to a meeting with the club. They understood this to be a discussion to rectify the stewarding issues at the Crystal Palace match. The supporters were accompanied by a Spirit Of Shankly representative and it became apparent that the meeting was to discuss the incident at the Crystal Palace. Supporters were confronted and asked to name the supporter involved as the matter had now been passed to the police. The club later apologised for how the matter had been handled.

      One of the supporters involved in Spion Kop 1906 was regularly contacted by Merseyside Police, asking for information and applying pressure to name the individual, with threats that Spion Kop 1906 would find their names in the local paper and would be linked to a disability hate crime. This was particularly concerning and offensive to the individual who has a relative in a wheel chair.

      Even after the individual involved in the Crystal Palace incident had spoken to the police, Spion Kop 1906 were asked to meet with Merseyside Police’s Football Intelligence Officer. They met in the police cells within Anfield stadium and were told that they should be grateful for being allowed to do the flags. They were also told that the police had been asked to speak to the supporters but would not say who by. It is assumed that as this meeting took place on club property, the club were aware of it.

      There was the subsequent proposals for supporters with flags and banners to be ‘accredited’ which were later dropped after a meeting with the club.

      The supporter involved in the Crystal Palace incident, was banned by Liverpool FC, following two complaints from the other individual involved in the incident. This was ahead of any court hearing. The supporter was banned without any contact from the club and was informed by letter. When he contacted them to discuss this, the club refused to enter into dialogue with him and said they would not take representations from him and that this matter was separate to the court case ongoing at the time. This has caused concern for Spirit Of Shankly and the club have so far failed to respond appropriately to discuss this matter to put in place a fair and transparent process for supporters.

      The above incidents have left some supporters angry and with a fear and threat of being unfairly targeted and even banned if they find themselves in a disagreement with a supporter or if the club do not like what they are doing. It is worth remembering that all these supporters produce these flags and banners in their own time and often at their own expense or from contributions from other supporters. They plan and choreograph displays, often arriving in the ground early forsaking activities that may take place pre-match. These images are used by the club, framed with sponsors logos around the Kop, to sell merchandise and a vision of Anfield - a spectacle to come and marvel at, the traditions of Anfield and LFC in full flow. Supporters are now left questioning if LFC value them, or just the image they provide.

      Supporters feel these issues need addressing if they are to continue to provide one of the few remaining high points of an Anfield atmosphere. It is with this in mind that they have contacted LFC to ask for a meeting to seek a positive resolution, one that gives them the reassurances they need and deserve so there is no repeat of these incidents moving forward and the club can learn lessons.

      Supporters plan to bring back the flags and banners providing LFC respond positively to the request to meet.


      http://www.spiritofshankly.com/news/statement-on-flags-and-banners-on-the-kop

      Truly shocking. But, we are, and have been for a long time , there to be used and abused at footballs leisure.
      It would be good to have a UNION
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      Re: The huge Anfield problem
      Reply #2373: Nov 24, 2015 10:45:54 am
      That's the spirit.

      I said when Kloop came in that I thought a challenge at the title wasn't out of the question and I still maintain we can have a go.

      May as well try and fall short than sit back.

      I put $3 on us to win it the day we appointed him, will net me $150 when we do 8)
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      Re: The huge Anfield problem
      Reply #2374: Nov 24, 2015 10:49:08 am
      Speechless at that letter.

      Listen I've banged on enough that I think it's embarrassing that we HAVE to have special groups who now make flags, but yeah without them, the Kop would look even more drab so they do a good job of retaining something special.

      The club are happy to sell the images of the flags and fans singing YNWA when they are at their presentations with Subway, or Nivea or whichever tyre company is wanting to be associated with all of that.

      It's high time the club developed a rapidly different attitude to their 'customers' and their biggest 'brand asset'.
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      Reply #2375: Nov 24, 2015 12:28:35 pm
      Welcome to FSG's vision of a KOP full of plastic flags that will last a few games before needing replacement. Without the Flags and banners which is a part of the club going back for a generation or more than what do we have .
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      Re: The huge Anfield problem
      Reply #2376: Nov 26, 2015 10:02:11 pm
      Not much noise tonight. Still people leaving early.

      Also, a personal annoyance of mine, so many people turning up in BLUE anoraks! That colour has no business in our ground.
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      Reply #2377: Nov 26, 2015 10:06:17 pm
      You know what the worst part about it is---the only thing that makes them create noise is something negative.

      What I mean is: they'll make an uproar if the ref makes a poor call.  Or what is even more embarrassing, they'll start the "you're not singing anymore" song after the other team's away fans stop singing, when we score or something.  That, after the away fans were singing non-stop while our own sat on their arses.

      The only get into it for negative reasons, to have a go at the referee or the opposition fans.  It's rarely for positive reasons, unless we score or something.

      Maybe it just says something about our society in general, that people are much more eager to take part in having a go at others instead of creating a positive atmosphere themselves.
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      Re: The huge Anfield problem
      Reply #2378: Nov 26, 2015 10:13:17 pm
      Not much noise tonight. Still people leaving early.

      Also, a personal annoyance of mine, so many people turning up in BLUE anoraks! That colour has no business in our ground.

      anything goes now mate hard to believe isnt it
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      Re: The huge Anfield problem
      Reply #2379: Nov 27, 2015 04:33:49 am
      Home games always highlight how good opposition fans are.

      They didn't stop making noise. We had a chant at the ref and a half arsed Fields of Anfield Road.
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      Reply #2380: Nov 27, 2015 08:10:40 am
      All I heard from our lot was YNWA at the end and that was about it. F***ing Bordeaux supporters wouldn't shut up...that's what WE should be like every home game.
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      Re: The huge Anfield problem
      Reply #2381: Nov 27, 2015 08:58:03 am
      All I heard from our lot was YNWA at the end and that was about it. F***ing Bordeaux supporters wouldn't shut up...that's what WE should be like every home game.

      yes exactly, the worst part is when away fans sing for an hour, then we score, they get quiet, and our lot start with "you're not singing anymore." 

      Like they were annoyed or something by the away fans singing.  F**k's sake at least someone does it.
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      Reply #2382: Nov 27, 2015 09:22:06 am
      yes exactly, the worst part is when away fans sing for an hour, then we score, they get quiet, and our lot start with "you're not singing anymore." 

      Like they were annoyed or something by the away fans singing.  F**k's sake at least someone does it.

      sh*t I can't even hear us singing that!
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      Reply #2383: Nov 27, 2015 11:12:44 am
      I hope FSG enjoyed a KOP without Flags last night.
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      Re: The huge Anfield problem
      Reply #2384: Nov 27, 2015 11:24:26 am
      I streamed it and albeit not a great picture I heard us sing quite a lot but reading above it seems I may have been mistaken. I thought it was a big improvement on home games recently.
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      Re: The huge Anfield problem
      Reply #2385: Nov 27, 2015 11:49:37 am
      Does anyone what exactly happened to warrant a ban?
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      Reply #2386: Nov 27, 2015 01:26:09 pm
      Does anyone what exactly happened to warrant a ban?

      I heard it was because he was wearing a brown pair of flared trousers and a " HAPPY DAYS  " T- SHIRT , with a picture of FONZI  on the chest saying " HEYYYY "

      Harsh but fair ?
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      Reply #2387: Nov 27, 2015 01:28:31 pm
      I streamed it and albeit not a great picture I heard us sing quite a lot but reading above it seems I may have been mistaken. I thought it was a big improvement on home games recently.

      Our fans couldnt be heard (on the telecast I watched) until the first disallowed goal Bentekr scored, the you could hear them start to make some noise for a minute or so then they all quieted right back down. Bordeaux fans were singing non stop and made our home support look like a funeral procession without the dirges.
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      Reply #2388: Nov 27, 2015 01:54:54 pm
      Our fans couldnt be heard (on the telecast I watched) until the first disallowed goal Bentekr scored, the you could hear them start to make some noise for a minute or so then they all quieted right back down. Bordeaux fans were singing non stop and made our home support look like a funeral procession without the dirges.

      depends where they put the micraphones. It wasnt rocking last night but it was better than it has been. Not as good as the away fans though.
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      Reply #2389: Nov 27, 2015 03:46:51 pm
      I heard it was because he was wearing a brown pair of flared trousers and a " HAPPY DAYS  " T- SHIRT , with a picture of FONZI  on the chest saying " HEYYYY "

      Harsh but fair ?


      It was a serious question.
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      Reply #2390: Nov 27, 2015 05:19:18 pm
      Some incident against Palace last year.
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      Reply #2391: Nov 27, 2015 09:10:00 pm
      Does anyone what exactly happened to warrant a ban?

      Lad had silly argument with a disabled fan and carer. Carer grabbed flag complaining they couldn't see when Gerrard and team were coming out, lad told carer to "F**k off" Carer and disabled fan complained to stewards and decided the action taken by Liverpool wasn't good enough, which was to get to them together amicably and sort it out. Lad even apologised for comment. Disabled fan and carer went and made complaint to police.

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