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      Re: How big a stadium do we need
      Reply #69: Aug 05, 2010 07:34:03 pm
      At least 80,000. It would enable us to get rid of the season ticket list. We then could reduce prices to enable people who have been priced out the game to return and give a better atmosphere.
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      Re: How big a stadium do we need
      Reply #70: Aug 06, 2010 12:13:00 am
      70,000 with the possibilty of an extension, however I would still rather have Anfield extended if it were possible rather than moving to a new stadium.
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      Re: How big a stadium do we need
      Reply #71: Aug 06, 2010 12:28:38 am
      Agree with the Dannylfc on both points!
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      Re: How big a stadium do we need
      Reply #72: Aug 06, 2010 12:31:17 am
      Based on tonight's attendance, not a very big one   :f_tongueincheek:
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      Re: How big a stadium do we need
      Reply #73: Aug 06, 2010 06:14:40 am
      Do anyone know the correct figure for the season ticket waiting list?

      I've read conflicting numbers, but the list could be as long as 60,000!

      It's madness to think that we could need 100,000 seats just to give everyone waiting a ticket.

      I think it's fair to say that they probably couldn't make it big enough, though I agree with DannyLFC when he said around 70,000 with a possibility to increase that in time.
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      Reply #74: Aug 21, 2010 01:58:18 pm
      LFC need 75,000. That means getting a superior site than Stanley Park.

      Liverpool FC need to be on a Merseyrail Metro line. Rapid-transit can move over 40,000 people per hour, maximising stadia and line investment. The City of Liverpool has Rapid-Transit Rail Lines Awaiting Football
      Clubs, the Arena and the community. Not to use the available Merseyrail Metro Rapid-Transit is irresponsible.

      Rapid-transit rail has ensured that Arsenal FC have filled their new stadium to over 97% of capacity since 2006. They say they undersized it at 60,000.  They have 27 platforms in stations around the stadium. Wembley Park station shifts 37,500 per hour with only 4 platform.  So, one station with 6 platforms will do with a large concourse.

      LFC will never see such an opportunity again. It must be seized.
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      Reply #75: Aug 21, 2010 09:32:56 pm
      LFC need 75,000. That means getting a superior site than Stanley Park.

      Liverpool FC need to be on a Merseyrail Metro line. Rapid-transit can move over 40,000 people per hour, maximising stadia and line investment. The City of Liverpool has Rapid-Transit Rail Lines Awaiting Football
      Clubs, the Arena and the community. Not to use the available Merseyrail Metro Rapid-Transit is irresponsible.

      Rapid-transit rail has ensured that Arsenal FC have filled their new stadium to over 97% of capacity since 2006. They say they undersized it at 60,000.  They have 27 platforms in stations around the stadium. Wembley Park station shifts 37,500 per hour with only 4 platform.  So, one station with 6 platforms will do with a large concourse.

      LFC will never see such an opportunity again. It must be seized.


      Do you work for Network rail by any chance?    :f_tongueincheek:


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      Reply #76: Aug 22, 2010 12:23:59 pm

      Do you work for Network rail by any chance?    :f_tongueincheek:

      No. What didn't you understand?
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      Re: How big a stadium do we need
      Reply #77: Aug 22, 2010 09:36:22 pm
      LFC need 75,000. That means getting a superior site than Stanley Park.

      Liverpool FC need to be on a Merseyrail Metro line. Rapid-transit can move over 40,000 people per hour, maximising stadia and line investment. The City of Liverpool has Rapid-Transit Rail Lines Awaiting Football
      Clubs, the Arena and the community. Not to use the available Merseyrail Metro Rapid-Transit is irresponsible.

      Rapid-transit rail has ensured that Arsenal FC have filled their new stadium to over 97% of capacity since 2006. They say they undersized it at 60,000.  They have 27 platforms in stations around the stadium. Wembley Park station shifts 37,500 per hour with only 4 platform.  So, one station with 6 platforms will do with a large concourse.

      LFC will never see such an opportunity again. It must be seized.

      Unfortunately that plan for a station on the old line was fu**ed off a while ago when the idea was suggested, which is why the plans for a 73,000 stadium had to be revised.

      And witht he current buch of tw*ts in government, there's not a hope in hell this city would get the relevant re-generation money from the EU or the NWDA to implement the plan.

      To be honest with the current plans for a 60,000 stadium I'd rather they save the F***ing money and redevelop Anfield, far too much History and if anyone bothers to look it's the second biggest tourist attraction after the Beatles on Merseyside.


      Oh and chill the F**k out kidda, that was a joke!!

      By the way where's the 125??
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      Reply #78: Aug 22, 2010 11:16:43 pm
      Unfortunately that plan for a station on the old line was fu**ed off a while ago when the idea was suggested, which is why the plans for a 73,000 stadium had to be revised.

      I don't know what you mean.  LFC cannot get over 60,000 unless they built a rapid-transit rail station. Dept for transport men rode on the Canad Dock Branch line with LFC officials.  LFC and EFC both locating to the Outer Loop line, which is vastly superior, would ensure success of stadia on the line.  Look at Arsenal.

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      And witht he current buch of tw*ts in government, there's not a hope in hell this city would get the relevant re-generation money from the EU or the NWDA to implement the plan.

      Not according to the Dpt for Transport.

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      To be honest with the current plans for a 60,000 stadium I'd rather they save the f**king money and redevelop Anfield, far too much History and if anyone bothers to look it's the second biggest tourist attraction after the Beatles on Merseyside.

      Oh and chill the f**k out kidda, that was a joke!!

      By the way where's the 125??

      60,000 is way too small. Arsenal say they undersized. They are the model to emulate. A great success as they did their homework, while LFC and EFC talk about history and nostalgia, while others will race past.  EFC & LFC have both fallen.

      Both on the same line with high throughput stations will ensure it will be built and success for each.
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      Re: How big a stadium do we need
      Reply #79: Aug 23, 2010 08:58:18 am
      ^

      We know what you're saying Inner-City, and you've made some excellent points.

      I just can't help but read your posts in a bit of a robot voice. :D
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      Re: How big a stadium do we need
      Reply #80: Aug 23, 2010 10:49:27 am
      ^

      We know what you're saying Inner-City, and you've made some excellent points.

      I just can't help but read your posts in a bit of a robot voice. :D

      :lmao:

      Correct me if I'm wrong... but there's a bunch of aul ones living by Anfield, and if we wanted to redevelop we'd have to buy their houses but they won't sell for love nor money??

      There's only a certain figure you could redevelop Anfield to also. We're going to need to build a brand new stadium. There's no doubt about it whatsoever.
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      Reply #81: Aug 23, 2010 11:33:08 am
      There are two choices:

      • Uprate Stanley Park to 73,000 and a rapid-transit station on the Canada Dock Branch Line merging into Merseyrail metro.  Get EFC on the same line at Green Lane/Prescot Rd or Edge lane.  
      • Recommission the superior Outer Loop Line with EFC and LFC on this line.  Site are available at the east of Walton Hall Park and Long lane and maybe Broad Green (LFC looked at Long Lane and Broad Green without rapid-transit rail)

      The sites for a rapid-transit station for Stanley Park are not that good and require CPOs to get a large station. They are also a walk away.  2 platforms is near useless - 4 to 6 platforms is needed.  4 platforms is just 2 cheap island platforms, but can shift 30-40,000 per hour.  The line is not that well connected, unlike the Outer Loop which can form a whole city loop.

      The two clubs can help each other by forcing the Dept for Transport to fund most of the lines.  The two clubs will put approx 4 million passenger trips per year onto the line - and the other uses by the community 365 will force that figure up. Meaning it is more than viable.  The more that get on-board to get the line recommissioned the better the chance of it happening.  Rapid-transit means almost certain success for the stadia as Arsenal have proven.

      Liverpool has a rapid-transit rail network.  Not to use it for the two clubs is irresponsible.
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      Reply #82: Aug 23, 2010 12:31:18 pm
      Anfield is nearly all residential. To get over 60,000 a rapid-transit rail station needs to be built to get planning. LFC have been told this. They need to move to a better location and the metro rail station will make it viable.

      The Outer Loop line solves many problems for both clubs and the city.

      Everton FC and Liverpool FC Make Line Viable

      • If Liverpool FC and Everton FC both relocate to locations on the Outer Loop Line the line would clearly be viable. A projected 4 million trips per year for football alone is achievable. The rapid-transit along the line would attract Investment with economic growth virtually guaranteed. The line would serve (copied from a footy forum)
      • Everton FC.
      • Liverpool FC.
      • The Communities the line runs through 365 days a year.
      • Summer pop concerts at the stadia.
      • The 10-12,000 capacity Kings Dock Arena using the disused Parliament Street station.
      • Liverpool city centre.
      • London and Manchester mainline services at South Parkway station.
      • Wider Merseyside.

      There are two glaringly potential stadia sites on the line at: Long Lane and Walton Hall Park. More can be spotted I'm sure like Garston Docks. Any park & ride stations can serve both football clubs and the wider city.
      The massive success of the Emirates should force the city and both club's to open the Outer Loop line and get them both on the line.

      The fans will flock in. It makes sense to me. Melbourne connect all their stadia with rapid-transit rail.
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      Re: How big a stadium do we need
      Reply #83: Aug 23, 2010 04:51:39 pm
      I don't know what you mean.  LFC cannot get over 60,000 unless they built a rapid-transit rail station. Dept for transport men rode on the Canad Dock Branch line with LFC officials.  LFC and EFC both locating to the Outer Loop line, which is vastly superior, would ensure success of stadia on the line.  Look at Arsenal.

      And that is why we will only be building a 60,000 ground, the council will not allow a rapid-transit rail station to be built as they do not have the funds to build it, Liverpool or Everton do not have the funds to build it, why do you think we are sticking with a 60,000 stadium, we're F***ing skint la!!!

      Oh and F**k Arsenal, the bunch of smug cockney cu*ts!!

      Not according to the Dpt for Transport.

      Well according to the NWDA, no more regeneration funds will be given this year, due to the funding cuts imposed by the Government!!


      Instead of spamming on this board how about contacting the rail authorities and get them to fund some new rolling stock, as some of the stock currently used on the railways all over the country are a F***ing disgrace.
      60,000 is way too small. Arsenal say they undersized. They are the model to emulate. A great success as they did their homework, while LFC and EFC talk about history and nostalgia, while others will race past.  EFC & LFC have both fallen.

      Both on the same line with high throughput stations will ensure it will be built and success for each.

      Just who the F**k are you representing like?

      Both clubs do not have the finance at present to build a new ground, we're being raped by two yank cu*ts and if Everton had the money, they would of been playing at the Kings Dock. Alas, they could not afford it!!

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      Reply #84: Aug 24, 2010 10:00:55 am
      And that is why we will only be building a 60,000 ground, the council will not allow a rapid-transit rail station to be built as they do not have the funds to build it, Liverpool or Everton do not have the funds to build it, why do you think we are sticking with a 60,000 stadium, we're f**king skint la!!!

      The council do not fund it. The Dep for Trasnport do and interested other bodies - EU money as well.  Arsenal had to pay 7.5 m to update the rail around the Emirates.

      Oh and f**k Arsenal, the bunch of smug cockney cu*ts!!

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      Well according to the NWDA, no more regeneration funds will be given this year, due to the funding cuts imposed by the Government!!

      DfT have the money- well most of it.

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      Both clubs do not have the finance at present to build a new ground, we're being raped by two yank cu*ts and if Everton had the money, they would of been playing at the Kings Dock. Alas, they could not afford it!!

      EFC are poorly run - run by fools. They did not even have a proper transport plan for Kirkby so were KBd.  Who ever is in charge they are building stadia. Getting them both on the same line is plain common sense, as both greatly benefit from rapid-transit rail - ask Arsenal, who now say they built a stadium that is too small.

      I represent no one.  LFC got permission to build a 60,000 seater stadium in a district with creaking infrastructure - with no insistence on having rapid-transit rail. It is not too late the club can put that right.

      There will only be one shot at this and the opportunity must not be missed.

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      Re: How big a stadium do we need
      Reply #85: Sep 21, 2010 03:59:59 pm
      if we have 20,000 on the waiting list, and probably another 10,000 who haven't bothered plus the 45,000 who attend every week, we will be as big as the rest of them no problems, the only thing not wrong with LFC these days is the demand for tickets.

       Surely this is the business plan that needs the attention? where the F**k are the brains with these people, if we wait another 3-4 years we will have lost the chance to win the league for another 10.
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      Reply #86: Sep 21, 2010 06:22:18 pm
      75k would be best, but with the Americans it doesn't look likely, right now i'd take 4th place and pray we can get rid of the idiots and get someone who actually understands football and doesn't need huge loans.
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      Reply #87: Sep 21, 2010 06:29:15 pm
      if we have 20,000 on the waiting list, and probably another 10,000 who haven't bothered plus the 45,000 who attend every week, we will be as big as the rest of them no problems, the only thing not wrong with LFC these days is the demand for tickets.

       Surely this is the business plan that needs the attention? where the f**k are the brains with these people, if we wait another 3-4 years we will have lost the chance to win the league for another 10.

      With the way the yank w*nks are running our club, i'd be happy just staying in the top half for 10 years. The only way to win the league is get someone in who understands football and business, and someone who actually HAS money.
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      Reply #88: Sep 21, 2010 09:07:15 pm
      75,000 to 80,000 then we would have a ground that matches our history and standing within the game.. under new ownership we would easily fill for majority of important league games... with a waiting list as long as we've got for season tickets.
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      Re: How big a stadium do we need
      Reply #89: Sep 22, 2010 12:13:40 am
      70,000, minimum + sh*t loads of discretely placed corporate boxes - that is why they rake in the money, Chelsea get so much more money than us per game because of it
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      Re: How big a stadium do we need
      Reply #90: Sep 22, 2010 12:14:47 am
      if we have 20,000 on the waiting list, and probably another 10,000 who haven't bothered plus the 45,000 who attend every week, we will be as big as the rest of them no problems, the only thing not wrong with LFC these days is the demand for tickets.

      A lot of the 45,000 who go will be on the waiting list as well though.
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      Re: How big a stadium do we need
      Reply #91: Sep 22, 2010 06:54:07 pm
      Imagine having a 70,000 stadium with Hicks and Gillette in charge, with the current rate of decline we wouldn't fill half it.

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