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      May 18, 2009 03:34:54 pm
      Firstly, let me congratulate Manchester United’s manager, players and fans on finally matching our record of 18 top flight league titles. If I didn’t do that then I might sound a little bitter throughout the rest of this article, because what I’d like to do secondly is establish why it is that people hate Man United as a club so much – and no, it isn’t ‘just because they win’, contrary to what you might think.

       

      Obviously, Liverpool fans hate United because they’re our biggest rivals and have been for many years; but the hatred levels shown towards Chelsea, Everton and Arsenal are nothing compared to the animosity we have for the Mancs. Absolutely nothing. There are so many reasons for this that to attempt an exhaustive list would be futile, but taking a few of the most recent and nauseating instances of United’s extreme arrogance and hypocrisy might allow us to explore the hatred just a little bit.

       

      A few weeks ago was the 20th anniversary of the Hillsborough tragedy, and say what you will about Liverpool fans, Heysel, and all of the other historically controversial moments which have shaped this club, there can be no denying that, for those few April days, respect and solidarity were owed to those who lost loved ones on that day. It was a beautiful week in many ways, with a moving ceremony and a lot of very kind, thoughtful words being said by people up and down the country, even those not normally involved in the footballing world.

       

      At the same time, Alex Ferguson was preparing to launch a pre-meditated and public attack on Rafael Benitez’s moral standards. It concerned the infamous ‘gesture’ Rafa made to Xabi Alonso after the midfield playmaker apparently ignored his manager’s instructions to play a free kick short. Was Ferguson there in the dugout, was he even at Anfield? No. Did the incident concern him or his team at all? No. Did he have any evidence that Benitez meant the gesture as an arrogant ‘game over’ signal aimed at Allardyce and Blackburn? No. Did Allardyce say anything about the incident until Ferguson raised the matter? Did he mention it in his post-game drink with Sammy Lee? Did the TV cameras show Benitez to be targeting his opponents in any way?

       

      Did Sam Allardyce once bring a reserve keeper on to play up front in an FA Cup game that he judged his Bolton side to have already comfortably won? Yes, he did.

       

      Allardyce is a disgusting person but by far the worse of the two evils here is Ferguson. He said that Benitez had shown ‘contempt’ for his opponents with the gesture. Well, let’s talk about contempt Mr Ferguson.

       

      Do you think that nobody is watching when you run around like a drunken hooligan, waving your arms and swearing at the 4th official just because a decision didn’t go your way? What about your team’s nasty and well-known habit of surrounding the referee? What about your assistant’s accusation last year that the referee of your FA Cup game against Portsmouth was bent, just because he didn’t give you the decisions that you wanted? What about your deliberate lies to the media about your club’s level of spending compared to Liverpool’s? What about your childish refusal to speak to the BBC on account of the fact that they included your son in a documentary about dodgy agents? Not to be forgotten was your refusal to fulfil your media obligations to Sky Sports – the company responsible for the wealth of your club – because they dared to insist that one of your games be played at 12.45 instead of 3 o clock (this was in accordance with official police recommendations).

       

      And last week, after your side scored a late goal against Wigan, your player Patrice Evra made a gesture which – and this time it was certainly clear – was meant to mock Benitez and imply that the league was ‘all over’. By the way, the league wasn’t over at that point – the Mancs needed Saturday’s bland 0-0 home draw to Arsenal to confirm that. Contempt? Anyone?

       

      Ferguson has been anxious about Liverpool this year. He made remarks earlier this season which ruled us out as serious contenders, despite our strong start. Benitez stepped in soon after and gave his legendary Ferguson lecture, a moment which has wrongly been labelled a rant and which, actually, revealed an awful lot of truths concerning the ‘untouchable’ status that the United manager has deliberately built for himself over his many years in charge. We proceeded to push United to the 37th game of the season, beating them twice, scoring more goals and losing fewer games, leaving them to rely on some excellent defending and some dubious refereeing decisions to win the league.

       

      They won the league because they managed to nick goals in the home games which saw us drawing. They got more points over 9 months and they are therefore rightly champions. But when Benitez beats them to the title next year, it will be every bit as impressive an achievement as Ferguson’s first title win with United – if not more so. Ferguson has a centre back who cost more than our entire defensive squad put together; he has a £30 million striker in Berbatov, a £27 million striker in Rooney and the ability to spend £30 million combined on young lads like Anderson and Nani. Benitez meanwhile has built a team out of dependable players like Alonso, Agger, Skrtel, Reina, Kuyt and Riera without spending small fortunes on each one. His record signing, Torres, was only £20 million and has been much better value than Berbatov. Mascherano, at £18 million, is better than both Carrick (£15 million plus) and Hargreaves (£18 million plus).

       

      Nobody seems to give Rafa the credit he deserves for simply managing to build a title-challenging side at a time when Ferguson is cash-rich and well-established and Chelsea have Russian billions in the bank. Liverpool also manage to play quite nice football – something else that the commentators tend to ignore. We’re no Barcelona but we’re certainly better than Chelsea to look at.

       

      Football in general is not enough to make me angry; it’s the characters and forces involved in the game which get me livid. If Ferguson and United’s behaviour had been different, even for this one season, I’d have accepted them winning the title in a much more gracious fashion. But as it is, their lack of humility and respect for others just drives me on; along with a love of Liverpool FC, it’s what keeps me going, keeps me paying for my season ticket every year. We’ll get that title back from Man United next season, that’s what I believe; and when we do it, it will be as respectable, popular champions, and our manager will show anything but contempt in victory. But – and this is the key - even if we don’t win, all of the respect and honour will still be on our side.

       

      And that’s why I’m proud to be a long-suffering Liverpool fan

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      Recieved this from les lawson of the OLSC merseyside branch, spot on reading!
      « Last Edit: May 18, 2009 06:44:09 pm by CRK »
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      Reply #1: May 18, 2009 03:44:57 pm
      Nice read mate

       but after this season we wont be long sufering fans
      we will be up there scaring the hell out of man u
      and fighting harder to gain the first place again were we
      deserve to be at the top 
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      Reply #2: May 18, 2009 03:48:20 pm
      Nice bit of reading, that.
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      Reply #3: May 18, 2009 03:48:35 pm
      Good rant

      Must admit that Chelsea have pissed me off more though i only think of Fergie as a sad old man whos only passion in life is to beat our record

      To bad (for him) he never will
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      Reply #4: May 18, 2009 04:11:07 pm
      Errrrrr ok, some of it might be just a tad biassed... :P
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      Reply #5: May 18, 2009 04:48:01 pm
      Yes it was a good read indeed! but I think we won't be "long suffering fans" for too long!  :)
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      Reply #6: May 18, 2009 04:48:14 pm
      Good read that.  Thanks for posting it!
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      Reply #7: May 18, 2009 04:56:29 pm
      How right he is. As we all know, Ferguson is the biggest hypocrite around.

      When Rafa called Everton a 'small club', Fergie said 'No, Everton are a big club' and also branded Rafa Benitez of being a disrespectful manager. Then he puts out his reserve team against them in the FA Cup semi final. That's how you show respect, Ferguscum?

      He complains when Real Madrid were 'tapping up' Cristiano Ronaldo last season... and didn't he tap up Dimitar Berbatov?
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      Reply #8: May 18, 2009 06:41:18 pm
      Not biased, every word is the truth. Anyway F**k Manure im sick of hearing about them now, lets see what they've got to say when we ram it back down their throats next year, it'll be all the sweeter.
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      Reply #9: May 18, 2009 06:48:05 pm
      I cant ever imagine calling myself a suffering supporter and I hate UTD not because of rivalry its because I hate the very core of their existence and philosophy.
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      Reply #10: May 18, 2009 06:52:16 pm
      Cracking article that. Not at all biased either I reckon.

      I'm sure a manc could conjure up something similar about Liverpool, but they'd have to leave lots of stuff out.
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      Reply #11: May 18, 2009 07:06:43 pm
      And that is why there is no reason for Rafa to congratulate Ferguson!! I just wish the media will stop having a go at Rafa!! I read somewhere that right now Rafa is the most hated manager in the league,if that was true..I am beginning to wonder ..do people even have heart these days??
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      Reply #12: May 18, 2009 07:11:37 pm
      Everything you say is absolutely true.

      Fact.

      Well said and very much agreed with.
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      Reply #13: May 18, 2009 07:28:12 pm
      I agree with most of what you have commented on mate........ I don't hate Man Utd the (they like us have had the share of tragedy with the misfortune of the Munich disaster)
      I have the utmost respect for Bobby Charlton, David Beckham and Ryan Giggs who have an always carried themselves with great respect /dignity and have never entered into a slagging off war of words with LFC.
      Yes Man Utd deserved to be Champions this season and despite us playing by far the more attractive football the table doesn't lie and they had more points.. hence them being Champions (God it grieves me too say that!)
      What pains me is the arrogant manager... he can say whatever he likes.. but woe betide anyone who has the balls to stand up and contradict the Premiership bully !!
      I maybe looking through rose tinted glasses but I cannot remember Bob Paisley being arrogant !! Yes Bill Shankley was a mickey taker but he always said it with humour and a glint in his eye... even  Old Big Head.. the late Brian Clough (and the only manager I would put up next to Paisley and Shanks) was outspoken but he was like Shanks and what he said was always tongue in cheek and a grin but never barbed or nasty !!
      But its not only Slurguson... players like the Neville tw*t Twins to name but a few are equally as guilty as him of being arrogant and nasty!!
      As Ive said before all empires crumble (as they all do) and Slurgusons Theatre of Dreams will fall... and not too many non Man Utd foot fans will shed many tears !!
      Rafa should next season should just ignore Red Nose and let the 11 lads on the park and the fans do his talking for him.
      Come on LFC.. Lets ram those words down Slurguson throat in 2009/2010...
      Oh by the way I will be a Barca fan in the Euro Cup Final.......
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      Reply #14: May 18, 2009 07:31:40 pm
      well said mate.he called Rafa arrogant...how much respect do you think he gave us when he took over at man u by declaring hes going to knock us off our perch.is there any respect there anyone?!
      was there any respect when he said he would open up a bottle of red wine if Milan beat us in Athens?!
      why don't the press go on about the things hes done over the years!as Rafa said ..Ferguson is only friends with the people who are no threat to them.and is only still in his job because he is obsessed with chasing our records.
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      Reply #15: May 18, 2009 07:53:50 pm
      I have the utmost respect for Bobby Charlton, David Beckham and Ryan Giggs who have an always carried themselves with great respect /dignity and have never entered into a slagging off war of words with LFC.

      I'd hate to tell you this, but Beckham ran the length of the Old Trafford pitch to aim abuse at Liverpool fans along with his bezzie, Gary Neville back in 1999, after they beat us in the FA Cup.

      One of the reasons Beckham along with Neville was absolutely F***ing hated whenever he played at Anfield.
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      Reply #16: May 18, 2009 08:08:00 pm
      I'd hate to tell you this, but Beckham ran the length of the Old Trafford pitch to aim abuse at Liverpool fans along with his bezzie, Gary Neville back in 1999, after they beat us in the FA Cup.

      One of the reasons Beckham along with Neville was absolutely f**king hated whenever he played at Anfield.
      F**k I forgot about that !! Strike Beckham off the my list... that old age creeping up on me... sorry mate
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      Reply #17: May 18, 2009 08:50:56 pm
      Can some one get a certain "King Cantona" on this forum to read this? Just want to know what he says...
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      Reply #18: May 18, 2009 09:11:51 pm
      Great article.... and feel the same as the fella.
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      Reply #19: May 18, 2009 09:49:22 pm
      Good article, thanks TNAwrestling.The days when we  do the knocking off the perch are upon us. Rafa has already demonstrated that he is more than a match for Ferguson tactically and unlike the gobs***e doesn't resort to personal attacks, more so uses facts to demonstrate his points. I fully expect Rafa to secure the right players over the summer to allow us to win the title with style next year, then we'll see how poor an excuse for a man Ferguson is. IRWT
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      Reply #20: May 18, 2009 10:43:56 pm
      Got it absolutely spot on !! good post that ,old whiskey nose is pure poison ! and he spreads it like an infection throughout old toilet ,is there any wonder people hate man u? like someone else already said i'll be supporting barca in the final too
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      Reply #21: May 18, 2009 10:57:06 pm
      Brilliant read!  A lot of truths in there that need to be told on mainstream media.  I just hate it ,that when we win tight games it's always lucky; But when Manure win they "have class", "can score all over the pitch","they have superstars".  It's all a load of BS, and we exposed that this season by walloping them in their own backyard.
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      Reply #22: May 18, 2009 11:47:23 pm
      Can some one get a certain "King Cantona" on this forum to read this? Just want to know what he says...

      Thanks govinox, I've read it thank you....

      A lot of truth in the article but surely even the most biased scouser must admit that there was an element of bias as well....

      But we're all at least a bit biased towards the club we support.......

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