Spirit of Shankly do - Munich chants

[JD]

Liverpool fans sing about Munich at SOS do	LQ | LQ+ | HQ

Article from the Liverpool Echo http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-fc/liverpool-fc-news/2009/06/10/shankly-group-promise-probe-over-munich-songs-100252-23834964/

Just like to condone the chanting of the people who were at this event following the final game of the season.

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[danny8t4]

Absolutely disgusting that, as much as I hate them, no need for it.

They'd be the the first to complain about Manure fans singing about Hillsborough.

It's times like this when you got to realise it's just a sport and real people die, no matter what club they represent they still have families.

[JD]

For an organisation taking up Shankly's name I find it all pretty distasteful.

I'd imagine quite a few people may be considering their membership of the group now.

[dunlop liddell shankly]

Totally out of order.

Like it's been said, if it was United fans singing/chanting about the Hillsborough disaster then they'd be the first to complain. They should be ashamed of themselves.

[Gow]

Yep, well out of order that. Sickening thing to do. Probably the same people that go to the match to get pissed, turn up 5 minutes before kickoff, miss the last ten minutes of the first half and the first ten minutes of the second half coz they're away getting a pie and 4 pints, and then get off ten minutes before the final whistle to wait for the away fans in Stanley Park.

[redkenny]

There's having a good time, but at the expense of the dead, they're just as bad as the scum that sing about Hillsborough.

Why not just sing all about our vast glorious past?

Well, who's gonna take the union seriously after that? The media will have a field day with this and the owners will be laughing their fat heads off. All the good work that's gone into building the union up and you get a result of this.

Disheartened.

[TNAwrestling]

tis why ive had nothing to do with them and seeing this I doubt I ever will.

I share the same views as what the S.O.S. stand for, but too many hypocritical dick heads who need a good hiding.

ive heard the stories of problems SOS members cause, prodominantly on away trips, which rubs off on other fans and OLSC merseyside branch members were they share equal bollockings and tough policing and viscious abuse from other teams fans.

no brain morons who would scream for the death penalty should derograttry comments and chants be made over hillsborough.

Those who joined in, and the singer himself should hang their heads in shame and apologise for such dispicable actions, which will no doubt cause repocussions to eminate from manchester, and unfortunatly it will be all liverpool fans and those connected to the club will no be berated with insults and low opinions of us thanks to a group who are a disgrace to themselves and the club.

[JD]

I agree that the fans need representation but I didn't sign up because it seemed to be pretty much 'all the old faces' got themselves in to positions on the board.

I knew we should have forced Kenny to run for the board.  I know for a fact he has sufficient intelligence to pull a plug out of some speakers.

I hadn't joined. And I won't be doing so now.

[CRK]

I hadn't joined. And I won't be doing so now.

Same here.

It's disgraceful and I agree that they'd be the first ones to knock someone for singing about Hillsborough.

We as Liverpool fans like to see ourselves above the majority of the sh*te who lower themselves to chant stuff like that. How can we do so when we have gobshites such as these dragging us back down again.

A disgrace to the name of Liverpool and to the name of Shankly.

[smigger15]

Cringeworthy that.  Should be ashamed of themselves, hypocrites the lot of them.  Kenny, give your membership back mate, they let themselves down badly there.  Your'e too good for them.

[ayrton77]

Should be ashamed of themselves, hypocrites the lot of them.

Seconded, it's the perfect word for it.

Any fans of any club chanting about players or fans who have tragically lost their lives are a disgrace to themselves, and sport in general.

Poor, poor stuff.

[Gow]

Who's the fella on the mic then? Sounds like a scally no-mark trying to act famous.

Maybe next year they can get Chubby Brown and Jim Davidson in eh?

Wankers.

[MsGerrard]

My membership has just expired..............nee dless to say, I will not be renewing it. 

[RedRoy]

I can't condone that behaviour. They should be concentrating on the issue at hand- removal of the club's current owners. They will have lost some friends over this.

[JD]

Some bellend on a mic whipping drunk people in to a sh*t chant.

Somebody from SOS should have known far better, and if a couple of people's from SOS's heads don't roll for allowing this to continue, then I'm afraid we're going to struggle to be able to believe in their apology.

Before any Mancs who sing about Hillsborough fancy coming on here on their high horse don't bother.

Stick to buying your t-shirts.

[dunlop liddell shankly]

Can't we get youtube to take it down? I'm all for showing these inconsiderate tw*ts up for what they are, but won't this sort of thing look bad on Liverpool fans on the whole?

[JD]

Can't we get youtube to take it down? I'm all for showing these inconsiderate tw*ts up for what they are, but won't this sort of thing look bad on Liverpool fans on the whole?

I think Spirit of Shankly have been applying to get it taken down from a number of video sites, but it's not going to go away.

And it may look bad, but it's a world of free speech.

Like I said, SOS should be more concerned with doing the right thing and booting off some people from the committee, than spending useless time trying to cover up this misdemeanour.

Just noticing the rules for SOS members as:

14. A member may be expelled for conduct prejudicial to the Union by a resolution carried by a majority of at least two-thirds of those members voting at a General Meeting of the Union of which due notice has been given, provided the grounds for expulsion have been specified in the notices calling the meeting and that the member whose expulsion is to be considered shall be given the opportunity to state his/her case to the meeting. If on due notice having being served the member fails to attend the meeting may proceed in the member’s absence.

Think they will be binning quite a lot of members then. Or maybe not.

Anyway, how about this fella to take the wrap?

Event Officer - Stephen Monaghan

    * Organise and manage a series of events to raise the profile of the union and to raise funds for the union & other causes related to Liverpool FC supporters

Although to be fair. I guess he has raised the profile of the Union.  

[HUYTON RED]

Can't blame the whole of the SOS for what happened in that vid though.

Not everyone present were members, some tickets were on sale on the doors for Liverpool fans who wanted to attend who weren't members.

As always there will be a few after a days drinking who end up singing naughty songs, still happens at boozers, coaches etc at away games. You know the mentality!

I personally, wouldn't slag the whole of the Union and what they tried to achieve over nobheads on a youtube vid.

Funny how it's taken virtually three weeks for someone to stick it up on you tube, for people to start complaining and from what I hear a shitload of e-mails from Evertonians to the Echo for them to finally do a piece about it.

As Liverpool fans we should be sticking together on this rather than getting all preachy and trying to pick holes.

It happened at an SOS event, for which they've apologised, can't that be accepted?

[Dadorious]

That is f**king disgraceful and reflects poorly on all Liverpool fans.

[dunlop liddell shankly]

Can't blame the whole of the SOS for what happened in that vid though.

Not everyone present were members, some tickets were on sale on the doors for Liverpool fans who wanted to attend who weren't members.

As always there will be a few after a days drinking who end up singing naughty songs, still happens at boozers, coaches etc at away games. You know the mentality!

I personally, wouldn't slag the whole of the Union and what they tried to achieve over nobheads on a youtube vid.

Funny how it's taken virtually three weeks for someone to stick it up on you tube, for people to start complaining and from what I hear a shitload of e-mails from Evertonians to the Echo for them to finally do a piece about it.

As Liverpool fans we should be sticking together on this rather than getting all preachy and trying to pick holes.

It happened at an SOS event, for which they've apologised, can't that be accepted?

To be honest with you mate I've never agreed with the whole SOS idea anyway for various reasons, so maybe I'm slightly more biased to "pick holes" in their actions.

I am well aware that not everybody involved with the SOS Union would have apprciated or sang/chanted along but from the short video, I didn't see too many people trying to stop it. I didn't see the person videoing it, stop their video. So although not every member of SOS was at fault for actually chanting, I can't say too many tried to put a stop to it. Maybe some did and it wasn't shown, I know somebody on another forum said they did but it's hard to prove without the evidence.

And personally no an apology isn't enough, because words mean nothing. Actions are what I'd rather see. I'd rather see those in the SOS remove any mindless idiot who was chanting along, maybe even remove those "in power" if you like from the SOS for allowing such actions. Just saying sorry doesn't cut it on this issue or any other issue in the world in my opinion. Anybody can sorry without meaning it, so I'd much prefer to see something seriously done about it than just the typical "sorry".

From what I've read on the other forum, SOS have stated they didn't even book the fella on stage. Well for somebody they didn't book, they seemed pretty happy to let him go on stage and chant along with the few in the crowd. That's why a "sorry" isn't enough.

After what this club and it's fans have gone through, the struggles, the fights, the sh*t from so many others, the Munich disaster is one thing which should bring the two football clubs of Liverpool and Manchester United closer. Incidents like this, just push us further apart and make the struggle that little bit more difficult for our own justice. A fan from another club looking at this will now just look at it and say "you don't care about the dead so maybe the stories in the papers of 89 were right. maybe you did steal and piss on the bodies." And with incidents such as this, at a place of a so called supporters group of our club, gives fans of other clubs that ammunition to hurt us with.

Sorry isn't good enough. Banishment from Anfield and any further events involving anything to do with Liverpool Football Club is the minimum these mindless idiots should get.

[johnstop]

If you support Liverpool Shankly's name should sacrosanct and not associated with anything to do with outrageous behaviour. I truly hate UTD but their is a line we shouldn't cross.
How dare they take his name and behave like that.

[HUYTON RED]

To be honest with you mate I've never agreed with the whole SOS idea anyway for various reasons, so maybe I'm slightly more biased to "pick holes" in their actions.

I am well aware that not everybody involved with the SOS Union would have apprciated or sang/chanted along but from the short video, I didn't see too many people trying to stop it. I didn't see the person videoing it, stop their video. So although not every member of SOS was at fault for actually chanting, I can't say too many tried to put a stop to it. Maybe some did and it wasn't shown, I know somebody on another forum said they did but it's hard to prove without the evidence.

And personally no an apology isn't enough, because words mean nothing. Actions are what I'd rather see. I'd rather see those in the SOS remove any mindless idiot who was chanting along, maybe even remove those "in power" if you like from the SOS for allowing such actions. Just saying sorry doesn't cut it on this issue or any other issue in the world in my opinion. Anybody can sorry without meaning it, so I'd much prefer to see something seriously done about it than just the typical "sorry".

From what I've read on the other forum, SOS have stated they didn't even book the fella on stage. Well for somebody they didn't book, they seemed pretty happy to let him go on stage and chant along with the few in the crowd. That's why a "sorry" isn't enough.

After what this club and it's fans have gone through, the struggles, the fights, the sh*t from so many others, the Munich disaster is one thing which should bring the two football clubs of Liverpool and Manchester United closer. Incidents like this, just push us further apart and make the struggle that little bit more difficult for our own justice. A fan from another club looking at this will now just look at it and say "you don't care about the dead so maybe the stories in the papers of 89 were right. maybe you did steal and piss on the bodies." And with incidents such as this, at a place of a so called supporters group of our club, gives fans of other clubs that ammunition to hurt us with.

Sorry isn't good enough. Banishment from Anfield and any further events involving anything to do with Liverpool Football Club is the minimum these mindless idiots should get.

Get off your high horse DLS, would you go over and have a stern word, would ya, and what do you think the response would be. A mouthful of abuse, a slap (or worse), maybe thats why no one went over.

It's a small f**king incident that has been blown far too out of proportion. We're were you with your anger on the day after (I heard about what happened on the monday) complaining about it (A couple of lads I know went) in their opinion it was something small that happened and was quickly forgotten. Christ, not all our fans are f**king saints you know.

Being honest now, I don't want us and Man U to become any closer thanks, f**k them and their opinions. Gary F**kin Neville and the other manc cu*ts
ran up to their fans singing "Without killing anyone we won it three times" in Moscow, where was all this f***in anger then! Yeah exactly and what did Manchester United do? Threaten any newspapers with legal action who printed anything about the incident. Did any Man U fans bang on about how there players and fans are a disgrace. Do they ever condemn those fans who sing those songs or do the fingers pressed against their faces on websites such as Red Issue, Red Cafe or Repiublik of Mancunia, do they f**k.

The lad who videoed and stuck it up on you tube should know better, but for fucks sake, stop doing the jobs of the tabloid press for them eh!

Put it this way DLS, if you're so pissed off and angry why not e-mail the SOS group and ask them for answers or even go along to one of their meetings.

[john jones]

Sadly the truth is that even if the whole of the S O S resigned the damage is already done and the name of all Liverpool supporters will be dragged through the dirt again

[HUYTON RED]

Sadly the truth is that even if the whole of the S O S resigned the damage is already done and the name of all Liverpool supporters will be dragged through the dirt again

From one incident captured on you tube.

Man Utd fans sing sing their Hysel and Hillsborough songs at nearly every game they play, do the commentators/reporters/journalists ever say or write anything condemning them - no.

Every time we play Chelsea, you can hear them sing several unsavoury songs about us, again anything ever said by the media - no

Same goes for the derby, do the Liverpool Echo EVER condemn Everton fans outright for singing "Murderers" - no.

IMO it seems people with axes to grind towards the union are using one silly, stupid, drunken incident as an excuse to slag the whole of the union and any good, positive work they may have done.

Tom, George, Sckinny et al would be very proud!

[dunlop liddell shankly]

Get off your high horse DLS, would you go over and have a stern word, would ya, and what do you think the response would be. A mouthful of abuse, a slap (or worse), maybe thats why no one went over.

It's a small f**king incident that has been blown far too out of proportion. We're were you with your anger on the day after (I heard about what happened on the monday) complaining about it (A couple of lads I know went) in their opinion it was something small that happened and was quickly forgotten. Christ, not all our fans are f**king saints you know.

Being honest now, I don't want us and Man U to become any closer thanks, f**k them and their opinions. Gary F**kin Neville and the other manc cu*ts
ran up to their fans singing "Without killing anyone we won it three times" in Moscow, where was all this f***in anger then! Yeah exactly and what did Manchester United do? Threaten any newspapers with legal action who printed anything about the incident. Did any Man U fans bang on about how there players and fans are a disgrace. Do they ever condemn those fans who sing those songs or do the fingers pressed against their faces on websites such as Red Issue, Red Cafe or Repiublik of Mancunia, do they f**k.

The lad who videoed and stuck it up on you tube should know better, but for fucks sake, stop doing the jobs of the tabloid press for them eh!

Put it this way DLS, if you're so pissed off and angry why not e-mail the SOS group and ask them for answers or even go along to one of their meetings.

So people are too afraid to do right because they might get a slapped wrist? Well that's a disappointment because I can safely assume that the ratio of people singing/chanting to those not would be around 1:10. But since nobody tried to stop it, they're all to blame.

It may very well be a small incident but it's still not something that should be brushed under the carpet. It's a disgraceful act, as is any club singing about any death of any form. I'm not expecting fans to be saints, but I would expect fans of this club to know f**king better. I've always been under the impression that the SOS group was for Liverpool fans to discuss Liverpool Football Club not somewhere to have a dig at United, maybe I'm wrong. I didn't realise our fans were that petty.

In Moscow the United players and fans may have sang "without killing anybody" but that's them. That doesn't bother me if they wish to be that petty. I always thought our club and our fans were much bigger than that. I always assumed our club and our fans knew how to act in the right way. In the same way some United fans would have thought the same way about their club and their fans. Not all United fans are that sick minded and I'm sure some would be sick to the bottom of their stomach hearing those songs in Moscow. On a night where they've just won the Champions League, most sensible United fans would rather bask in their own glory than have a pop at us. In the same way, after the season we've just had I'd expect Liverpool fans to be so chuffed with what we'd achieved they wouldn't even feel the need to think about United.

Now I don't know long these SOS events go on for, maybe it was a five minute thing in a three hour show I don't know. But it still can't be seen as accepted in any shape or form. Now I'm not gonna waste me own time going to any of their meetings because I don't agree with it in the first place. I've heard enough problems with the way it's run, the way information is present to it's members and so on and so on. I have already emailed them to express my own disgust at what was said but as of yet haven't had a reply, surprisingly.

[johnstop]

Iv'e no axe to grind whatsoever but if you use Shankly's name some responsibility goes with that. Did anyone try to stop him?. Its very difficult to defend isn't it and its probably best not to try.
We always struggle with Stereotypes and this will help the media no end.

[redkenny]

The simple fact is, as a union that wants respect and to be taken seriously by everyone - not just Liverpool fans - this behaviour can't be defended.

We all know what goes on amongst certain sections of all fans. It's always been that way and always will be. Nothing anyone says or tries to do will ever change that. So there's no point trying to debate that factor.

But with events like this it brings big responsibility to the representation of all Liverpool fans. It's a massive learning curve for a union in it's infancy. And if they want to be taken seriously, they've got to really make changes after this terrible blunder. Nobody can stand there and say to me that they didn't think any footage of this event wouldn't end up on the internet? Shouldn't this have been talked of and planned in detail before the event?

Be serious in their aims and gain respect by achieving these aims. That's what Shankly stood for. That is the notion that has to be drummed into the powers that be.

And for f**k's sake! We've got more to sing about than any English club! So let's sing our songs!!!

[JD]

The simple fact is, as a union that wants respect and to be taken seriously by everyone - not just Liverpool fans - this behaviour can't be defended.

Spot on.  Absolutely no defence for allowing it to continue.

The fact they allowed it to continue, and I'm sure senior SOS were in attendance, was in a way condoning it.

To be honest I haven't been impressed with what I've heard about SOS organised away trips - maybe we should get Les from the OLSC to come and post in here.  See what they think are the reasons behind us suffering some major loss of allocations at away grounds.

In my opinion a few heads should of rolled in the SOS over this.  We can hardly have a go at the owners for 'actions speak louder than words' when our own fan group seems unable to correctly act.  It disappoints me, but I'm not surprised by the lack of response.

I hope they can put this behind them and move forward stronger, but I'm not so sure.

[HUYTON RED]

A decent read from TIA regarding SOS and the stuff that went on at the end of season do.

http://www.thisisanfield.com/columnists/2009/06/spirit-of-shankly-%E2%80%93-a-movement-in-the-right-direction/

[JD]

A decent read from TIA regarding SOS and the stuff that went on at the end of season do.

'We hate the SOS'

'We love the SOS'

'We hate the SOS'

Yawn.