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      Reply #2898: Apr 02, 2015 11:26:29 am
      All about the money for those at the top now.

      Like Shabs said, it's a shame.

      Money indeed made.

      Ah well at least I still have road racing to enjoy.

      On the countdown to the North West 200 now.
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      Reply #2899: Apr 02, 2015 12:04:17 pm
      Money indeed made.

      Ah well at least I still have road racing to enjoy.

      On the countdown to the North West 200 now.

      Can't beat the bikes.

      The NW200 is throwback to a lost era.
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      Reply #2900: Apr 02, 2015 12:13:02 pm
      Can't beat the bikes.

      The NW200 is throwback to a lost era.

      Indeed mate.  Love them and those guys are true no fear sportsmen.

      I'm still going to try and follow F1 this season as much as time permits as I do see there mat be an interesting battle ahead if Ferrari and Vettel keep improving.
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      Reply #2901: Apr 02, 2015 12:48:22 pm
      Indeed mate.  Love them and those guys are true no fear sportsmen.

      I'm still going to try and follow F1 this season as much as time permits as I do see there mat be an interesting battle ahead if Ferrari and Vettel keep improving.

      It needed that result.
      The irony of Formula 1 fans, having seen Red Bull and Vettel win 4 consecutive title,
      and looked for new winners, now gladly cheering on the new Red Baron.

      Behind the scenes has already been a movies worth, between the Red Bull fallout,
      Manor's show/No-Run and Sauber's near impoundments.

      Love it.
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      Reply #2902: Apr 06, 2015 02:54:07 am
      End of an Era



      Like many other sports, Formula 1 goes through cycles.

      Successful teams come and go as often as Adrian Newey decides he wants to design a new boat or until Gordon Murray decides he’d rather build an all-conquering GT/Road car. Gladly Ross Brawn got tired of fishing for a while, helping Benetton & Ferrari to success and then laying the foundation for Mercedes.
      The effect is the same. Great teams don’t last forever. There is a constant battle between the innovators and the rule makers. Whether it be different interpretations or exploiting loopholes, the best designers and engineers always find a way to be faster. As the regulations become more restrictive some grow weary of the challenge to constantly seek ever diminishing returns and so they step back from the coal face.

      McLaren had Gordon Murray and Steve Nichols in the late 80’s.
      Williams had Adrian Newey and Patrick Head in the 90’s.
      Ferrari had Ross Brawn and Rory Byrne in the 00’s (However you want to pronounce that)
      and so to Red Bull had it from 2010-2013.

      As dominant as they seem as the time (McLaren won all bar 1 race in the ’88 season, with Senna & Prost) they don’t last forever. Eventually there comes a time when the team breaks up, while another team emerges, and those who remain have to regroup and rebuild.

      The Breakup of the Golden Era?

      Red Bull reacted strongly in 2014. They had a disastrous start to the new era of hybrid powertrains, but Ricciardo took 3 wins and Red Bull took 2nd in the Constructors Championship, behind the dominant Mercedes pairing of Lewis Hamilton and Nico Rosberg. For Sebastian Vettel though his meteoric rise at Red Bull had come to a clattering halt. For a driver who had been so at one with Newey’s blown diffuser era cars things were very different for Vettel in 2014. Consistently outpaced by Ricciardo, the first time any teammate had done so, he finished with no wins and only 4 podiums. Red Bull’s original poster boy was off to Ferrari (Another Red Baron carrying the number 5) and in a bold move the team used the opportunity to promote several of their drivers from the Young Driver Programme.

      Daniil Kvyat made the step up to Red Bull from junior team Scuderia Toro Rosso, while exciting prospects Carlos Sainz Jr and Max Verstappen were promoted to the junior team from FR3.5 and F3 respectively. The one thing you couldn’t accuse Red Bull of was playing things conservatively. In amid all these changes were some other significant ones. Red Bull’s renowned aero team was breaking up. Adrian Newey announced his intention to take a step back, while right hand man Peter Prodromou left for McLaren Honda. Here was a team seemingly entering transition. If a successful team needed 3 key components (Aero, Powertrain, Driver) here was a team, already losing out on one front and undergoing major change on the other two.

      At Melbourne, Kvyat failed to make the start of the race, while Ricciardo, a revelation last season, finished a lap down. The strained relationship between Red Bull and Renault started to become openly apparent.

      A clearly frustrated Christian Horner was the first to point the finger of blame:

      “The situation just isn’t improving. The reliability is unacceptable. The performance is unacceptable. Renault, at this stage, appear to have made a retrograde step. There needs to be change at Renault. It can’t continue like this. We’re the end user and it’s just frustrating that it’s not where it needs to be at the moment. It’s been a tough weekend for Renault, the engine is just quite undriveable. You can see that Ferrari made a step forward, Sauber all respect to them, but I doubt they found much on their chassis from last year to this year because most of it’s the same, same front wing, same rear wing, but you can see Ferrari have made a good step. Renault at this stage appear to have made a retrograde step. It’s frustrating that effectively we are further back than where we were in Abu Dhabi in both power and driveability.”

      If Red Bull going on the offensive seemed aggressive then the retort from Renault was nothing short of spectacular. Cyril Abiteboul countered Adrian Newey’s claims that the engine was the only problem and that “there was no light at the end of the tunnel. Yes, it’s difficult to have a partner who lies. Adrian is a charming man and an engineer without parallel, but he’s spent his life criticising engine partners. He’s too old to change his ways. Our figures have shown that the laptime deficit between Red Bull and Mercedes in Melbourne was equally split between driveability issues, engine performance and chassis performance,” he said in Renault’s Malaysian GP preview. “It’s therefore the overall package that needs some help and we have been working with the team to move forward.”

      As the teams headed to Malaysia things took a more bizarre twist, with Abiteboul seemingly ready for a fight on twitter:



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      And whilst we are on the subject of  pictures which paint a thousand words, have a look at an extremely uncomfortable Renault front row at the press conference:


      Front Row

      Prior to Malaysia we’d seen steps 1 – 3 of a marriage breakdown:
      1) Shock. Horner – How is it worse?
      2) Denial. Newey – It’s not us.
      3) Anger. Renault – They’re lying.

      Step 4 (Bargaining) would appear from both sides. As things became increasingly frantic everything from powertrain equalisation to Red Bull and/or Renault leaving the sport to Renault acquiring Toro Rosso would be put out on the table.

      Maybe it took the results from Malaysia for Red Bull to enter the acceptance stage of the relationship. At Malaysia Renault’s claims that Red Bull were equally at fault were reinforced when both of the Toro Rosso cars finished ahead of the Red Bulls. A result that saw Max Verstappen become the youngest ever F1 points scorer at 17 years and 180 days with a fine 7th place. To make matters worse the recently departed Sebastian Vettel won the race for Ferrari, lapping both Red Bulls and showing that Mercedes weren’t unbeatable.

      This acceptance appeared in statements made by Helmut Marko (Advisor to Red Bull Racing)

      “We do not have to love each other, but we do need an engine that works.”

      “Under the current regulations it is impossible to close the gap to the leaders, but in the past we got used to winning even though our engines were not the most powerful.

      “We can all see what Ferrari has managed to do. According to Renault engineers, we will reach this level by the end of the year and once again be able to fight at the top.

      “It was decided to postpone the debate and focus on working together to get us out of this situation.”
      We’ve seen the end of an era. Red Bull can no longer compensate for the key component that has become the powertrain. At the same time they no longer enjoy the aerodynamic superiority that they did during the V8 era. As the regulations have tightened so the advantages over rivals have been taken away. First double diffusers then blown diffusers, the latter of which Renault as much as Red Bull was vital in exploiting. While they have fought with Renault over where the blame lies, Ferrari has emerged as Mercedes most likely challenger.

      So for now they stop fighting. It only remains to be seen if Renault can fulfil its promise to reach the same level as Ferrari by the end of the season. Certainly the fact that they have the largest allocation of tokens should help them, but with James Key doing such a good job for Toro Rosso there may come a time when Red Bull decide to bolster their own side of the team.

      It’s a critical season for Red Bull and Renault. Who would have thought that just over a year after taking their 4th successive driver and manufacturer’s titles that it could turn so quickly. At the end they may very well have to go their separate ways, but for now they have only each other and must work together if they are to turn around their fortunes.


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      Reply #2903: Apr 06, 2015 09:14:49 am
      Great read mate.
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      Reply #2904: Apr 06, 2015 09:49:32 am
      Frankly, Mr Shankly
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      Reply #2905: Apr 06, 2015 06:24:37 pm
      Fantastic stuff racer. Adore this sport and it's great to read your perspective of it. I feel a bit sorry for Renault in a way. Never given any credit for the success in the 4 world constructors championships and given all the blame for the team's current predicament. They just can't win against Horner's PR bullshit.
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      Reply #2906: Apr 06, 2015 08:57:08 pm
      Fantastic stuff racer. Adore this sport and it's great to read your perspective of it. I feel a bit sorry for Renault in a way. Never given any credit for the success in the 4 world constructors championships and given all the blame for the team's current predicament. They just can't win against Horner's PR bullshit.

      Exactly that. It was deemed to be all Red Bull when they won, and all Renault when they don't.

      Disastrous PR
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      Reply #2907: Apr 12, 2015 06:43:50 pm


      Sums up today's race perfectly methinks! Excellent race management from Lewis Hamilton who has never looked more mature in his racing. You kind of get the idea that he's toying with Nico. Putting in steady laps where Rosberg is still within touching distance of him but then in the run in to his pit stops he just scampers away up the road. Lewis has more speed up his sleeve. I just don't think Nico does. Bizarre accusations from Nico to Lewis as well post race.
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      Reply #2908: Apr 12, 2015 06:52:46 pm


      Sums up today's race perfectly methinks! Excellent race management from Lewis Hamilton who has never looked more mature in his racing. You kind of get the idea that he's toying with Nico. Putting in steady laps where Rosberg is still within touching distance of him but then in the run in to his pit stops he just scampers away up the road. Lewis has more speed up his sleeve. I just don't think Nico does. Bizarre accusations from Nico to Lewis as well post race.

      Rosbergs excuses are getting more and more bizarre, Lewis was holding me up by not driving fast enough!!!! errrr its a race if you can go faster overtake him ffs. He is becoming a whining little tw*t.
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      Reply #2909: Apr 13, 2015 09:46:38 am


      Sums up today's race perfectly methinks! Excellent race management from Lewis Hamilton who has never looked more mature in his racing. You kind of get the idea that he's toying with Nico. Putting in steady laps where Rosberg is still within touching distance of him but then in the run in to his pit stops he just scampers away up the road. Lewis has more speed up his sleeve. I just don't think Nico does. Bizarre accusations from Nico to Lewis as well post race.

      Easy to argue that Lewis was attempting to force Nico back to Seb.
      Tough sh*t though, Nico. That's racing.
      Make a pass, then worry about the tactics later.
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      Reply #2910: Apr 13, 2015 10:35:14 am
      It's different when Nico is doing sh*t to hinder Lewis' chances though isn't it. He's such a whinge arse! Formula 1 doesn't feel the same this year for some reason.
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      Reply #2911: Apr 13, 2015 11:51:42 am
      It's different when Nico is doing sh*t to hinder Lewis' chances though isn't it. He's such a whinge arse! Formula 1 doesn't feel the same this year for some reason.

      Needs less whinging to cameras after races and more will to win at any cost.
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      Reply #2912: Apr 19, 2015 11:58:14 am
      Normally would get to see the race but obviously will miss it today.

      Interesting with the Ferrari's close to Mercedes and should be a good race.

      Hamilton four from four is impressive stuff.
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      Reply #2913: Apr 19, 2015 06:07:49 pm
      Decent race today
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      Reply #2914: Apr 19, 2015 06:12:16 pm
      Assured drive once again from Lewis, hope he takes the crown for a third time this season.
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      Reply #2915: Apr 19, 2015 06:18:00 pm
      Great drive by Kimi.
      Pity there's no champagne though...
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      Reply #2916: Apr 20, 2015 10:57:14 pm
      Great drive by Kimi.
      Pity there's no champagne though...

      It was indeed! It was a fantastic strategy devised by Ferrari and the pace Raikkonen delivered throughout was outstanding. He well and truly outraced his team mate this week. Had the race on the tv while the disastrous semi final was on the ipad. As ever f1 proved itself to be the ever reliable solace for me to indulge in! Very good race overall and another controlled display from Lewis who has looked truly faultless this season so far. Where are his weaknesses?

      Slightly stunned by the progress Ferrari have made over the winter and into the season start. It was clear they had a better car in testing but I don't think anyone could have guessed they would be this close to Mercedes in race pace, this early on in the season. They've done an absolutely outstanding job in the chassis design but also in the power unit. Massive shout out especially to James Allison. He is one talented geezer and once again continuing the fine name British engineers and engineering in general has in this sport. I look forward to Barcelona with much intrigue!
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      Reply #2917: Apr 21, 2015 12:42:07 am
      It was indeed! It was a fantastic strategy devised by Ferrari and the pace Raikkonen delivered throughout was outstanding. He well and truly outraced his team mate this week. Had the race on the tv while the disastrous semi final was on the ipad. As ever f1 proved itself to be the ever reliable solace for me to indulge in! Very good race overall and another controlled display from Lewis who has looked truly faultless this season so far. Where are his weaknesses?

      Slightly stunned by the progress Ferrari have made over the winter and into the season start. It was clear they had a better car in testing but I don't think anyone could have guessed they would be this close to Mercedes in race pace, this early on in the season. They've done an absolutely outstanding job in the chassis design but also in the power unit. Massive shout out especially to James Allison. He is one talented geezer and once again continuing the fine name British engineers and engineering in general has in this sport. I look forward to Barcelona with much intrigue!

      Allison and de Beer.
      The two men from Lotus. Did it at Lotus on a shoestring.
      Innovating with massive backing now. Great to see an innovative Ferrari.
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      Reply #2918: Apr 21, 2015 12:45:14 am
      F1- IT’S NOT FOR GIRLS

      Posted on April 15, 2015   


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      The World Endurance Championship (WEC) mixed some history with change at the 6 Hours of Silverstone last weekend. Announcing that the cars would make a “Le Mans” start for the entire WEC season, WEC CEO Gerard Neveu also had another announcement to make:

      “From Silverstone next week, you will see that for any race we will do – no grid girls like in the past. For me that is the past. The condition of women is a little bit different now.”

      Bernie Ecclestone, on the other hand, seemed to have drawn his inspiration from a chocolate ad campaign with his announcement for Formula 1. “It’s not for girls”

      New Lotus cash supplier Carmen Jorda (above) was even rolled out for some quotes supporting the notion that a separate series should be introduced exclusively for women.

      “Nowadays you see women competing in their own championships in most sports: football, tennis, skiing, you name it. In none of these championships are men and women competing against each other. So the question is: Why not have a F1 world championship for women?” Jorda also claimed that women would never beat men in F1 “because of the physical issue.”

      Where to start on this…

      1) Yes there are men and women categories in other sports. Other more physical sports. At 17, Max Verstappen has proven that age is no barrier to Formula 1. Power steering has probably eased the transition. If age is no barrier then why should sex be a barrier? If anything surely there is some advantage to be gained in a sport where weight is more critical than strength.

      2) Formula 1 is struggling to keep enough cars on the grid as it is. The notion of a Women’s Formula 1 Championship is a falsehood. The money isn’t there for something like that to exist.

      3) The restriction in the Super Licence points system means that as it stands now the current female aspirants would only be granted a licence under exceptional circumstances Appendix L, for drivers that do not meet the normal criteria. The drivers would then have to complete 300k of testing in a current car. It wouldn’t be a Women’s Formula 1 Championship. It would be GP2 for women only. An interest generating novelty. A side act to the main event, where women weren’t allowed.

      Motorsport is a male dominated arena. It is not however a male exclusive arena. Nor should it ever be. Not at a time when so many women now work throughout the industry. Attempt, on social media, to say that Motorsport should celebrate the fact that it is a sport where, in theory at least, men and women can compete equally and you’ll find plenty of detractors.

      You’ll also find some female racing drivers airing an opinion on the matter that is at odds with that of Carmen Jorda. Women who compete against men on a regular basis and want nothing more than the opportunity to make it to the top. Two of those are F3 driver for Carlin Tatiana Calderon and VLN Endurance racer Michela Cerruti.


      Michela Cerruti Tweet


      TataCalde Tweet

      When even the drivers are calling #bullshit on the idea it may be time to think of something else.

      In an era where pay drivers are ever more important to Formula 1 teams, the window of opportunity for talented drivers becomes even smaller. If Formula 1 was genuine in its suggestion that a platform was needed for women then surely a Red Bull style driver academy should be set up to ensure that talented female drivers received the coaching and opportunity needed to make it to Formula 1.

      Failing that, they could always just look to the United States for inspiration, and no I don’t mean Danica Patrick in NASCAR. (They couldn’t afford her) I mean the driver who finished fourth driving for Andretti Autosport in Indy Car last time out. Simona de Silvestro.

      Sadly for Simona she won’t be driving in Indy Car this weekend either.


      Andretti Tweet


      Simona Tweet


      I really do hope that Michael Andretti secures the funding required to get Simona back in the car and even more so I hope that there are people out there willing to give her and others more than a token test drive. (Yes Sauber & Lotus, I’m looking at you)

      There are women out there who are capable of competing in a modern Formula 1 car. All they need is financial backing and the right opportunity.

      No separate class required.
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      Reply #2919: May 10, 2015 07:15:49 pm
      So Rosberg won an unspectacular/dull race today. But McLaren's problems still continue. This McLaren Honda project is lightyears behind and worryingly so.

      Genuine question to racer - was there any thought that McLaren may produce their own engines for F1 and if so why didn't they do so?
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      Reply #2920: May 11, 2015 12:45:10 am
      So Rosberg won an unspectacular/dull race today. But McLaren's problems still continue. This McLaren Honda project is lightyears behind and worryingly so.

      Genuine question to racer - was there any thought that McLaren may produce their own engines for F1 and if so why didn't they do so?

      Honda bring the financial backing that only a manufacturer can bring.
      Given the lack of sponsors, MacLaren needed their imput on the project.

      That said, it's been disastrous so far.
      Qualifying at least has improved. They were ahead of Force India and Sauber,
      but they are still a world away on race distances.

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