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« on: November 24, 2009, 03:26:14 PM »

I saw this quote by Rafa in the Pre Match: Debrecen vs Liverpool thread (CL)

"Aquilani is in the squad so he can play. It depends. The team has some players in his position now - Gerrard coming back and the two midfielders (Lucas and Mascherano) doing well, but he'll have his chances.
  
"We want him as soon as possible but we have to manage with the squad."

This means Aquilani is no longer a health issue.  This basically means Rafa is choosing to start Lucas over Aquilani in the squad.  

How is Aquilani going to show his potential and build the confidence and player awareness on the pitch if Rafa continues to start Lucas?  

I'm grateful that Lucas has stepped into the breach to try and fill the Alonso void but he was supposed to be temporary replacement until Aquilani was ready.  

Rafa went out and spent 20 million to transfer the star midfielder here with Alonso's departure.  He has Aquilani fit and ready to go it seems.

Why the delay?



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« Reply #1 on: November 24, 2009, 03:28:43 PM »



This means Aquilani is no longer a health issue.  This basically means Rafa is choosing to start Lucas over Aquilani in the squad.  

I'm grateful that Lucas has stepped into the breach to try and fill the Alonso void but he was supposed to be temporary replacement until Aquilani was ready.  



How did you come to the above conclusions?

If Rafa says he wants Aquilani as soon as possible then he cant be fully fit.

Who said Lucas was supposed to be the temporary replacement? You?
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« Reply #2 on: November 24, 2009, 03:30:37 PM »

To be fair we have no idea what kind of condition he is in.

He has suffered some pretty severe problems over the past few years.  

Also, even if he is 100% super fit, I'm sure the problems with our defence are also weighing heavily on Benitez' mind.  The constant changing of the back four means it would be a risky time to remove a defensive midfielder and throw in an attacking one.

That's just my two-pence worth.
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« Reply #3 on: November 24, 2009, 03:31:20 PM »

Well its no good Rafa coming out & Saying Mascherano & Lucas have been sh*te he's as certain as %100 to start as it would hardly be good for his relations with either or Masch or Lucas, he's being Coy, do I expect to see Aquilani involved this evening, Yes I do, do I expect him to start ?, Sadly no I don't, Rafa will want to ease him  into the squad half an hour here and there for two/three games and then we'll see him take his place in teh Starting XI IMO.
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« Reply #4 on: November 24, 2009, 03:31:48 PM »

I personally don't think Aquilani is fully ready yet, but Rafa doesn't want to say that because when he signed Aquilani, he was meant to be playing full games at least a month or two are now.
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« Reply #5 on: November 24, 2009, 03:32:47 PM »


Why the delay?

Why indeed?
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« Reply #6 on: November 24, 2009, 03:37:05 PM »

Thanks for the reassurances lads  Smiley

Probably right.  Aquilani just not ready yet.  Also agreed with JD about defence concerns.

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« Reply #7 on: November 24, 2009, 03:40:18 PM »

Thanks for the reassurances lads  Smiley

Probably right.  Aquilani just not ready yet.  Also agreed with JD about defence concerns.


To be honest he has been out since March with a dodgy ankle, that is a long time out, I mean I ruptured my ankle ligaments back in May and it still gives me grief, and I play 3 times a week. The ankle is one of those that is so dodgy, you really cant afford to take risks.
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« Reply #8 on: November 24, 2009, 03:42:35 PM »

Its all about nmatch fitness, Nothing More, Nothing Less.
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« Reply #9 on: November 24, 2009, 04:08:12 PM »

Also, even if he is 100% super fit, I'm sure the problems with our defence are also weighing heavily on Benitez' mind.  The constant changing of the back four means it would be a risky time to remove a defensive midfielder and throw in an attacking one.

That's just my two-pence worth.

Keep both Lucas and Mascherano in then. Move Gerrard to the right and pop Alberto in behind the striker.
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« Reply #10 on: November 24, 2009, 04:56:57 PM »

Now that Aquilani is nearing fitness could be an incentive for Lucas to keep improving and try to hold onto his place,if Aquilani is half as decent as reports suggest then once he gets a first team starting place he'll be difficult to move ,good to see our midfield is not written in stone and we are gonna have options again
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« Reply #11 on: November 24, 2009, 05:04:04 PM »

Start him off the bench second half and just let him do his own thing,give him the freedom to roam about it's what he is at they won't know how to deal with that.
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« Reply #12 on: November 24, 2009, 05:15:50 PM »

Lucas has proven his worth this season and deserves his place imo.

so that means aqui stays on bench until the season ends.
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« Reply #13 on: November 24, 2009, 05:41:34 PM »

I think this game is made for Aquilani.

- With all respect, Debrecen are not the best side in the world,
- He won't have to worry too much about defensive duties (because we can't afford to),
- It's a European tie so probably not at the ferocious pace of the EPL.

I really hope he gets a minimum of 30 mins.
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« Reply #14 on: November 24, 2009, 05:45:38 PM »

so that means aqui stays on bench until the season ends.
Thats not what he says, but if you go about dropping your best performers just because you think someone else might be better, isn't great is it?
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« Reply #15 on: November 24, 2009, 06:10:29 PM »

so that means aqui stays on bench until the season ends.

Just a hint of sarcasm in that post.

Rafa doesn't want to rush the lad back and undo all the work our fitness team have done. It's why he's been permanently injured in Serie A because Roma kept rushing him back and more than likely Alberto's injuries had healed properly.

As a few of us have said previously, you probably won't see anything close to the really good Aquilani until after Christmas.
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« Reply #16 on: November 24, 2009, 06:15:02 PM »

I don't think Aquilani is fully fit yet and I think Rafa is trying to fit him in to the club and sqaud before starting him.
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« Reply #17 on: November 24, 2009, 06:29:34 PM »

In my opinion the reason hes not playing Aquilani probably because he isnt fit and he doesnt want to place him under pressure to perform and risk more injury.  obviously his problem has been a lot worse than anyone has let on, which is a sickener as we really needed someone to offer a more attack minded midfield role at the beginning of the season........Lucas and Masherano have done ok but more imagination is required at times.  I still think Lucas will improve more with a fit Aquilani to compete against for a place in the starting XI.  If you want to have a go  at some players threaten the back four with a f*cking firing squad!!! God they have been poor this season...we wont win many games until we stop conceding so easily.  Sorry to moan just in a bad mood.
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« Reply #18 on: November 24, 2009, 06:43:02 PM »

Do you expect anything else from mr cautios , he's the most cautios man in football he's scared of putting him in and he breaks down and loses him for another 2/3 months I think he sees him as his get out after the gamble to sign an injured player has been a disaster , look at the league table and look at the position we find ourselves in in the champions league , as for Lucas he's just benitez's igor biscan how long did Houllier try to convince us he was a better player than we thought he was .
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« Reply #19 on: November 24, 2009, 07:21:22 PM »

Do you expect anything else from mr cautios , he's the most cautios man in football he's scared of putting him in and he breaks down and loses him for another 2/3 months I think he sees him as his get out after the gamble to sign an injured player has been a disaster , look at the league table and look at the position we find ourselves in in the champions league , as for Lucas he's just benitez's igor biscan how long did Houllier try to convince us he was a better player than we thought he was .


At least Rafa hasn't tried turning Lucas into a centre-back!
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« Reply #20 on: November 24, 2009, 08:24:44 PM »

I hope that when Aquilani finally takes to the field, it is worth the wait. So many people on here including me had never heard of the guy before Rafa splashed the cash.
I for one wont be bigging him up 'cos if he isn't what the price tag suggests he is, what a let down and a waste of money that will be.
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« Reply #21 on: November 24, 2009, 08:30:53 PM »

The reason is that while Aquilani is fit to train and play, Rafa can't risk him getting a bad tackle and being send back to the operating table.
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« Reply #22 on: November 24, 2009, 09:43:36 PM »

Absolutely appauled at Rafa's decision to give Aquilani 20 bloody seconds on the pitch,he should of came on before Benayoun.
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« Reply #23 on: November 24, 2009, 09:48:09 PM »

Well he better start against the Blueshite. No easier game all season.
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« Reply #24 on: November 24, 2009, 09:50:13 PM »

What was Rafa at tonight with Aquilani why did he wait to bring him on till there was 20 seconds left, I wouldn't mind Lucas was giving us f**k all in midfield tonight and surely Aquilani would have being an improvement.
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« Reply #25 on: November 24, 2009, 09:53:25 PM »

beyond belief , a game where Aquilani would have had time on the ball to show us what he has got and should have gotten 90 mins under his belt.
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« Reply #26 on: November 24, 2009, 09:59:10 PM »

My complaint would be if Aquilani is NOT fit enough to play for even 20 min, why put him on the bench at all? Might be better off stay at gym to train.

Challenges from defenders would be much more severe if he plays in a league game, so I don't think that should be an excuse to not play him at some point.
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« Reply #27 on: November 24, 2009, 10:06:53 PM »

no reason not to play him, Masch and Lucas were given time and space by Debrecen tonight Aquilani would have shone (we hope)
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« Reply #28 on: November 24, 2009, 10:15:23 PM »

With the pitch being bouncy and slippery, maybe RAFA try to protect the goal first then try to seal the game. Besides, the physical part of the game with all Debrecen men behind our players, plus the 1 goal lead, there's no point for bringing Aquilani in. We got the result we wanted which is a win but we are out of CL because Lyon lost. Though I would love to see Aquilani playing, I also wouldn't want to see him get injured and a possibility of conceding from a counter attack.

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« Reply #29 on: November 24, 2009, 10:45:11 PM »

Please lads get f***in real.. Benitez hasnt got the bottle to drop Lucas and play Aquilani.

We all know about Albertos ankle problems but benayoun tore a hamstring and was back within 2 weeks playing 70 mins!?!? Benitez hadnt the balls to drop Lucas and play Gerrard in that position earlier in the season he just rearranged things even though we havent been getting the best out of Gerrard for ages now.

Aquilani will be turned into some sort of makeshift winger the way its going. Why pay 20mil for a guy if hes not gonna play. We waited 6 wks for him to overcome the injury.. that was over a month ago.. he just needs match fitness even though hes not playing so it never arrives!?!?!?!?

Lucas is a more than capable replacement for our midfield but play him consistently and you end up exactly where we are at the moment out of the champs lge and 7th in the league. Until this stupid decision making is changed dont see us making any massive improvements with those players over the next few months unfortunately thats the reality
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