Gerrard & Carra

[Shabs]

Question: Is it time rafa and liverpool fc let two of our most influential players steven gerrard & jamie carragher leave in the summer?

[corballyred]

No

[racerx34]

Think the answer is in the question Shabbadoo

[Eem]

No. Gerrard has had a poor season by his standards, without a doubt, but one bad season from frankly the best player to have ever played for Liverpool doesn't justify f**king him off.

We'd miss him dearly if he left.

[Shabs]

I love both players and admire how much they have given the club,the reason why I asked the question was certain managers know when the time is right for a player to be moved on for the good of the team and club and no one was better at this than bill shankley.
It would mean letting fresh blood take to the stage and giving them the chance to shine without the shadow of senior players with strong personalities.

[LFC9]

Yeah f**k it why not through Torres in for nothing aswell!

[higgy_sham]

Haha! After a run of bad games whoever thinks we should let our 2 most influential players go need there heads examined! We would be a hell of alot worse off without the pair!

[Shabs]

! We would be a hell of alot worse off without the pair!

Would we? I dont think so, we have played well when jamie or stevei have not been in the team.

[LFC-Red]

I love both players and admire how much they have given the club,the reason why I asked the question was certain managers know when the time is right for a player to be moved on for the good of the team and club and no one was better at this than bill shankley.
It would mean letting fresh blood take to the stage and giving them the chance to shine without the shadow of senior players with strong personalities.

Or you can look at the other side of the coin and say that the manager is not getting the best out of two fantastic players and usually when this happens it is the manager who exits.

Neither player are bigger than the club that much is for sure and Liverpool football club will continue it's existance long after they have retired and Rafa to, much to the disbelief of some.

Gerrard is still a world class players and has at least two seasons in him to show that, under the guidance of a man-manager who is able to inspire and motivate his players, then who knows what we may achieve. You can have all the money in the world, a 70,000 stadium packed out every week, full of world class players in your side. But if your manager is incapable of gelling that team, inspiring and motivating his players its worth feck all.... Just look at R.Madrid last night.

[Ov3rdose]

Would we? I dont think so, we have played well when jamie or stevei have not been in the team.

We were fine for a few games, but in the long term we would be fu**ed without at least one of them.

[higgy_sham]

I agree we grinded out results without them, but in the long run without there motivation and encouragement on the training ground and the changing rooms, as Ov3rdose says we'd be fu**ed

[Adryan]

They may not be performing at their usual level this season but neither are most of the team bar Reina.

No one is bigger than the club but these two are still important players and their presence would be a confident booster per se.

[Shabs]

I agree we grinded out results without them, but in the long run without there motivation and encouragement on the training ground and the changing rooms, as Ov3rdose says we'd be fu**ed

I think the pair of them have lacked motivation this season,pepe and masch have had to pick it up.As for being fu**ed without them I would disagree,arsenal,manure have survived by letting big players leave.If an oppurtunity arises in the summer would it be good to cash in on these two? and if rafa gets the funds to rebuild.

[higgy_sham]

I understand where your coming from, but one bad season out of how many years of great service? I think its just a blip and the pair will be back to their best next season! (I hope so anyway)

[Shabs]

I fear next season.

[MsTorres]

I am looking forward to next season!!  Clean slate- start again- Do it properly this time!!

As for the original question- this is ONE bad season-
Remember last season?!  Gerrard the goal machine? 4points from the title?!!

Dont give up so quickly-

[barrymanulow]

Question: Is it time rafa and liverpool fc let two of our most influential players steven gerrard & jamie carragher leave in the summer?

No......but its time LFC,  Gerrard & jamie Carragher let Rafa go in the summer

[Shabs]

My question is not based on one season,I think we need to start evolving and the burden on gerrards and carras shoulders is there to see,not for one moment do I not think how much stevieand jamie would love to lift #19 but I think the expectations have taken their toll on both of them,I think cashing in on both would be benificial to the team.

[MsTorres]

I think you are all crazy!!

No scousers in the team??

You may aswell say cashing in on our most expensive players would be beneficial to the team...

[SM]

No.

[emsy28]

would rather see Rafa go then getting rid of our home grown players.and get a manager that they both would trust with positive tactics.

[Shabs]

would rather see Rafa go then getting rid of our home grown players.and get a manager that they both would trust with positive tactics.

This is not  GET RID OF RAFA TOPIC,rafa has turned gerrard into one of the worlds most dangerous midfielders,and carra a pillar at the back,so they have to thank rafa for alot.
As for not having any scousers in the team it does not affect how foreign players undrestand the liverpool way,look at reina,mascherano,kuyt,torres do they see them less passionate to the cause than the two local lads?I think not.
I remember arsenal having to locals or english players in the team at one point.

[ozi_wozzy]

No. Gerrard has had a poor season by his standards, without a doubt, but one bad season from frankly the best player to have ever played for Liverpool doesn't justify f**king him off.

We'd miss him dearly if he left.

how dare you? king kenny's the best player ever for lfc stevie's te second though and you're right, I wouldn't ship him out for the world at mo. inspirational lad and world class quality does not erode after one bad season

[Shabs]

We are not discussing one season here guys! im asking is it worth letting the pair of them go and cash in on them for the good of the team.
Ladyboy left manure and made rooney a better player,arsenal let henry,adebayour leave and the younger players have come into their own thats all.

[fazza21]

cannot believe this topic hasn't been deleted.

[Ross]

To be honest, I'm bracing myself for Carragher's depature. It would be sad to see him leave after all this years and everything he's given to the club but I do not feel it would be a substantial loss. Especially if we brought in a new world class centre back.

Gerrard on the other hand - he's having a very poor season but I don't think we should be looking to ship him out.

[ORCHARD RED]

Why would rafa want to sell Gerrard, one of only 4 world class players in our team?( Masch, Torres and Renia being the others) And how would this help the team? None of the money would go towards a replacement.

The answer is NO.

[Emlyn Hughes]

Perhaps if both leave, do we should play with no Englishman in the starting lineup?

[Ov3rdose]

We are not discussing one season here guys! im asking is it worth letting the pair of them go and cash in on them for the good of the team.
Ladyboy left manure and made rooney a better player,arsenal let henry,adebayour leave and the younger players have come into their own thats all.

And if Rafa would sell both of them for about 35 million, he would get 10 million or even less. What good would that do for the team?

[Shabs]

Perhaps if both leave, do we should play with no Englishman in the starting lineup?

Well we have kelly,darby,spearing.