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reddebs
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King Kenny - Rafa's successor?
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Just found this article and thought it was worth a debate.
Is Kenny Dalglish the man to lead Liverpool back to the glory days?
For a while there, Rafa Benitez would be forgiven for thinking he was over the worst of it at Liverpool. A run of solid, if unspectacular, performances leaving his side well in the mix for a Champions League place and into the last 16 of the UEFA Europa League. With Fernando Torres returning from injury there was reason to believe they could actually make something of the rest of the season. Even the supporters’ dismay over the club’s ownership seem to have quietened down, fans at Manchester United and Portsmouth taking up that cause now.
But Rafa would have just been kidding himself. Losses away at Wigan Athletic and Lille have lifted that flimsy veil of normalcy once more to reveal this is a club seemingly locked in downward spiral. Wigan chairman Dave Whelan’s criticism of Liverpool’s American owners Tom Hicks and George Gillett running of the club may well draw Merseyside ire to the boardroom once more, but their real frustration should be reserved for Benitez’s management.
Right now, it is hard to see any improvement under the Spaniard, either in the short or long term. Yet just as difficult to foresee is a replacement capable of dealing with the difficulties existing in the Anfield boardroom and not letting it impede on the job he is trying to do on the pitch. It is a question where the answer, some have suggested, lies in the form of the Scotsman currently sitting upstairs.
Dilemma for Dalglish?
As a successful former Liverpool player and manager it is understandable Kenny Dalglish’s name would be talked about as a candidate should the Reds decide to replace Benitez. Currently working at Anfield as an academy director and club ambassador, his proximity to the players and structure give him a familiarity that would likely prove important in identifying where he could bring improvement.
Dalglish has previously stated that the manner in which he left the club in 1991 was far from the ending he hoped for. Stressed and tired at that point, he has admitted when he did resign part of him still hoped for a swift return once he felt rejuvenated. But the club’s quick appointment of fellow former Kop hero Graeme Souness put paid to that, leaving Dalglish with a certain sense of unfinished business.
While the temptation to sit once more in the Liverpool hotseat must be tempting, how bad though does Dalglish really want it, if at all? Considering it was Benitez who brought the Scotsman back into the fold there is certainly no chance he will go behind his back. Speaking about his appointment last July, Dalglish was very grateful. “For the boss to put his trust in me is a great compliment and I am coming back as a very lucky person.”
Short-term solution
After Liverpool’s Champions League exit to Lyon last November, managing director Christian Purslow was adamant the club would not be getting rid of Benitez any time soon. “He signed a new five-year deal four months ago and in those terms he is four months into a five-year journey. You don't deviate from long-term plans for people and the way to take the club to the next level because of two late goals against Lyon, and that's what it boils down to.”
Taking the word of any football director is a risky business at best. But even if Purslow believed what he was saying then, circumstances now might dictate him pushing Benitez before he can jump. Real Madrid’s exit from Europe this week (ironically also at the hands of Lyon) will possibly open a spot at the Bernabeu dugout this summer that Benitez has long been linked with, certainly so if Manuel Pellegrini fails also in Real’s quest for La Liga. Even if there is no truth in this, the Liverpool hierarchy will possibly decide they cannot let Benitez carry on any longer.
A parting of the ways accepted by all parties is realistically the only way Dalglish will ever take back the Liverpool coaching job. From the club’s point of view, should this happen, he would be an ideal short-term solution. They would not just be putting all their hopes on one ex-hero returning and somehow inspiring the team forward, as Newcastle did last season with Alan Shearer, King Kenny has genuine managerial credentials.
Despite what critics say, there is a lot more quality at Liverpool beyond the likes of Torres, Steven Gerrard and Pepe Reina. Dalglish has proved before, notably in the title-winning side he put together at Blackburn Rovers, that he is capable of bringing several different elements together as a unified force. Obviously he will not have the benefit of time to create that kind of cohesion with Liverpool. But there is enough decent talent within the ranks to mount a serious run for fourth spot, while the pivotal figures of the team will certainly respond to a directness in person and tactics that seems absent with Benitez.
Long-term problem
With that said it would be hard to look beyond this kind of role for Dalglish and genuinely see him making Liverpool a year in, year out contender for the top prizes like they were under his stewardship before.
By taking up the opportunity of returning as an academy director Dalglish certainly showed a passion for football still exists. At 59 he is far from over the hill and would not have to look any further than Manchester to see an example of a man far past what many would consider his prime, but still feeling as vital and ambitious as ever.
But the difference is Sir Alex Ferguson never left football. When he came close to retiring previously he found he was not ready to give it up and till his body tells him otherwise it’s hard to believe he will ever want to. Dalglish however on several occasions has found reason to move on. Up to rejoining Liverpool last summer he had been out of the game nine years since leaving Celtic. When he originally left Liverpool for very understandable reasons the club overall was in a much more stable position than they are now. The question is, as a man who has shown football is not quite everything to him like it is to someone like Ferguson, does he really want the challenge of making Liverpool great again?
It is a question Dalglish would seriously have to consider as it is a challenge that will need every little bit of the manager that takes it. Right now there is no end in sight to the boardroom struggle between Hicks and Gillett that has left Liverpool ill-equipped for competing with the likes of Man United and Chelsea. There is also the possibility that players like Gerrard and Torres just won’t have the hunger to take Liverpool forward any further, and with limited funds for new acquisitions they would be vital for any manager.
It is a task that Dalglish will ultimately probably see not worth his bother. If for no other reason, this is one club he will not to leave in the lurch if he deems it a job beyond him.
Personally I believe he's been away from the game too long to be a permanent replacement but in the interim may not be a bad shout.
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Re: King Kenny - Rafa's successor?
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March 12, 2010, 05:33:54 PM »
No way jaysus he has been away from the game way to long football has moved on, a Liverpool legend but I'd be very concerned if he was the new Liverpool manager.
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March 12, 2010, 05:36:58 PM »
I could see Rafa going to Madrid if and only if he was sacked.
However I wouldn't like to see King Kenny take the managers job, football has changed like Corbally said.
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Re: King Kenny - Rafa's successor?
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March 12, 2010, 05:40:04 PM »
My concerns same corballyred. Doubt whether he'll still have it in him after so many years.
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March 12, 2010, 05:43:41 PM »
Agree with all of you about football moving on but I do think if called upon to step in he would in the short term.
I also wouldn't put it past those 2 cheapskates to ask him rather than spend money bringing in someone else, especially if they get a few million in compo for Rafa leaving.
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JD
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March 12, 2010, 05:46:06 PM »
Quote from: reddebs on March 12, 2010, 05:29:55 PM
Just found this article and thought it was worth a debate.
Who was the article written by?
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March 12, 2010, 05:48:48 PM »
maybe worth Rafa himself bringing Kenny into the fold a bit more - something is needed
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reddebs
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Re: King Kenny - Rafa's successor?
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March 12, 2010, 06:16:05 PM »
Quote from: JD on March 12, 2010, 05:46:06 PM
Who was the article written by?
Sorry JD it's by Thomas Cooper.
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HUYTON RED
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March 12, 2010, 06:26:08 PM »
So this is a thread about a man who's loosing it to be replaced by a man once accused of loosing it?
King Kenny was one of the first managers of Liverpool to be slagged off as not knowing what he was doing - Venison as defensive midfielder, buying Jimmy Carter and David Speedie.
Let's just face, supporters can be two-faced bas**rds at times and it is currently cool to hate Benitez.
Anyway, it won't be Kenny, it will be Sammy Lee. I suppose we could always offer Phil Thompson the job.
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No No and even More No.
Love King Kenny but the modern game has changed, you only have to look at his tenure at Newcastle, the majority of his signings were more baffling than any Rafa has and ever will pull off and money was no object at St James Park.
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March 12, 2010, 06:28:16 PM »
IF Rafa is sacked or IF he leaves for Real the next manager could be walking in to a right mess of having to sell players to pay the bank, have no money to buy new players and worst case scenario start off on -9 points. Now who will take that job? Not many big names I can bet! Itll be people who arent good enough or weve never heard of. So dont dismiss the idea of the king being a bad choice just yet
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March 12, 2010, 06:30:15 PM »
I unfortunately think Kenny has had his day as a manager. Games changed to much.
I worry about who we'll end up with though, really do.
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March 12, 2010, 06:31:20 PM »
Quote from: Brian78 on March 12, 2010, 06:28:16 PM
So dont dismiss the idea of the king being a bad choice just yet
He doesn't want to be involved in management anymore.
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Quote from: HUYTON RED on March 12, 2010, 06:31:20 PM
He doesn't want to be involved in management anymore.
If it came to it HR that the club needed him could you see him saying no? Toughie
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Quote from: HUYTON RED on March 12, 2010, 06:26:08 PM
So this is a thread about a man who's loosing it to be replaced by a man once accused of loosing it?
King Kenny was one of the first managers of Liverpool to be slagged off as not knowing what he was doing - Venison as defensive midfielder, buying Jimmy Carter and David Speedie.
Let's just face, supporters can be two-faced bas**rds at times and it is currently cool to hate Benitez.
Anyway, it won't be Kenny, it will be Sammy Lee. I suppose we could always offer Phil Thompson the job.
You are spot on HUYTON RED people do indeed have short memories,as much as I admire Kenny he did make some bad buys towards the end of his time as manager.
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Quote from: Billy1 on March 12, 2010, 07:34:12 PM
You are spot on HUYTON RED people do indeed have short memories,as much as I admire Kenny he did make some bad buys towards the end of his time as manager.
As people will look back on Rafa if/when he goes and say how great he was
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March 12, 2010, 07:41:43 PM »
Why not? We wouldn't have to spend a penny getting him to be the boss so it would be alright.
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Quote from: SODMG on March 12, 2010, 07:41:43 PM
Why not? We wouldn't have to spend a penny getting him to be the boss so it would be alright.
Yes but this isnt the 80's anymore. Football is alot different nowadays.
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Don,t ever see this coming off not even as a temp.
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Quote from: RedLFCBlood on March 12, 2010, 06:26:49 PM
No No and even More No.
Love King Kenny but the modern game has changed, you only have to look at his tenure at Newcastle, the majority of his signings were more baffling than any Rafa has and ever will pull off and money was no object at St James Park.
Have to disagree, Once a football genius always a football genius. Don't forget the enormous stress that Dalglish was under after Hillsbrough, Was his tenure at Newcastle so bad they finished second and reached the cup final under him. The way that club has been managed over the years, is that such a bad record?
I'm not advocating Benitez being sacked but he is well and truly on a tightrope now, if he does go then would be happy with Kenny, the main issue that will never go away whilst the twa*ts remain though is funds being available
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Quote from: HUYTON RED on March 12, 2010, 06:26:08 PM
I suppose we could always offer Phil Thompson the job.
IMO not a bad shout, he was assistant under Houllier, and knows the club and the modern game.
Kenny coming back as manager, like Corbally said, the game has changed a lot over the past 20 years, BUT he has been working with the club for a year, so that is some sort of positive, and see's every game when we are at home. If it was offered to him and he accepted, I would be in full support of the legend
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Quote from: Billy1 on March 12, 2010, 07:34:12 PM
You are spot on HUYTON RED people do indeed have short memories,as much as I admire Kenny he did make some bad buys towards the end of his time as manager.
Exactly. People need to get real. Kenny was indeed a great manager 23 years ago but he wasn't so great when he had to rebuild the Liverpool squad.
A new manager, no money, rebuild job?
Liverpool have had a setback this season no doubt after steadily progressing over the last 5 years. Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.
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Quote from: philH on March 12, 2010, 08:43:26 PM
Was his tenure at Newcastle so bad they finished second and reached the cup final under him. The way that club has been managed over the years, is that such a bad record?
I'd go back and re-think he finished 2nd in his first season in control with what was effectively Keegans team, then he dismantled that team brought players in of his own that were no where near as good as he sold on and then finished 11th in the League, 2nd to 11th, yep once a genius always a genius.
Like I said football has moved on, and Kenny got caught short IMO.
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Kenny was a legend as a player and a legend as a manager - until he left us when he realised we were no longer up to grade.
We spent fifteen years pissing about until Rafa arrived and raised all our expectations with two European Cup finals and our best ever Premier League record.
What he has had to put up with behind the scenes for the last three years is nothing short of a disgrace.
I really would expect a little more loyalty from the fans towards the guy who we will no doubt be watching lifting the European Cup with Madrid or whoever happily takes his services.
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Quote from: JD on March 12, 2010, 09:47:48 PM
Kenny was a legend as a player and a legend as a manager - until he left us when he realised we were no longer up to grade.
We spent fifteen years pissing about until Rafa arrived and raised all our expectations with two European Cup finals and our best ever Premier League record.
What he has had to put up with behind the scenes for the last three years is nothing short of a disgrace.
I really would expect a little more loyalty from the fans towards the guy who we will no doubt be watching lifting the European Cup with Madrid or whoever happily takes his services.
Rafa has my loyalty JD and I agree totally with the line I've highlighted but seeing as Rafa's main critics haven't been able to answer who we should get in to replace him when asked I thought it would give the debate a different slant.
Those of us who are loyal can see the bigger picture it's just a shame others can't.
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For me, I would much rather him than Pellegrino. Not as manager, but someone who is working with the players and with Rafa for the first team and able to pass on his knowledge.
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King Kenny has managed two teams, both have won the league. NUFF SAID
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Quote from: ORCHARD RED on March 13, 2010, 06:42:40 PM
King Kenny has managed two teams, both have won the league. NUFF SAID
As far as I am aware King Kenny has managed 4 teams.
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March 13, 2010, 08:08:44 PM »
The game's moved on quite a bit since he was involved. I'd rather see someone like Didier Deschamps become manager.
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As far as I'm concerned, Rafa is the right man for the job, all he needs is backing off those f**king yank owners in hard cash.
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