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      • Forum Ian St John
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      Hicks & Gillett
      Jun 06, 2007 12:33:29 pm
      I don't mean to put a downer on things. 

      But I thought I would take a look at the MLB (Major League baseball).  I see that in there particular league Texas rangers are bottom.

      I, like many others were excited when H&G took over Liverpool and heard how they took the Rangers and turned them into a major force.

      I am going to take this information with a pinch of salt, but what are peoples opinons on our new owners or does anyone know more about the texas rangers and the MLB?

       

      « Last Edit: Jun 07, 2007 12:15:37 am by Court_LFC »
      EddieC
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      Re: Hicks & Gillet
      Reply #1: Jun 06, 2007 12:45:52 pm
      I don't mean to put a downer on things. 

      Don't then ;D

      I didn't think Hicks & Gillett had worked together before buying Liverpool, I thought they owned different teams in America?

      Not certain about that though, maybe someone else can clarify that?
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      Reply #2: Jun 06, 2007 01:11:18 pm
      Don't then ;D

      I didn't think Hicks & Gillett had worked together before buying Liverpool, I thought they owned different teams in America?

      Not certain about that though, maybe someone else can clarify that?
      I know Gillet owns Weatabix, I eat hundreds a month sooooo in my own little way, I'm helping to finance the new ground, Stevie and Carra's new wage structure and any new purchases comming into Anfield (I've said to George that I would like e'too and a winger, he said he would see what he could do) can't say farer than that can I ?
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      Reply #3: Jun 06, 2007 01:21:51 pm
      like everyone else i was expecting to see big money spent this pre season, i still think it will be and with the new stadium (apparently going to be 68k to begin with and amazing looking ) lets at least give them a couple of months.

      time to worry will be if rafa leaves, then we will know they aren't big spenders
      JD
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      Re: Hicks & Gillet
      Reply #4: Jun 06, 2007 01:31:03 pm
      Already had a bit of a discussion from the article in the Echo a couple of days ago in here

      http://www.lfcreds.com/reds/index.php/topic,2845.0.html

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      Reply #5: Jun 06, 2007 01:46:01 pm
      Baseball is a different ball game altogether theres no way Liverpool will go down the same road as the Texas Rangers.
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      Reply #6: Jun 07, 2007 12:44:33 am
      I have to admire their passion for Liverpool FC, early days I know but the future is promising  ;)

      I've heard a few funny phrases they use like Goal-tender, Defensive back and Hicks' latest, Manchester U.
      No Hicksy it's Manuure.  :D
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      Reply #7: Jun 12, 2007 01:20:29 pm
      was reading today that apparently all is not well with h&g as far as their working relationship is going, the tension appears to be coming from them having differing opinions on how much rafa should be given to spend this summer. i would say from what i have read and heard from both when interviewed that hicks seems to be wanting to give rafa more backing in the transfer market than gillett is willing and this is now causing tension with the top two !
      this i suppose is the problem in having co chairman as with co managers . . .
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      Reply #8: Jun 12, 2007 01:53:10 pm
      was reading today that apparently all is not well with h&g as far as their working relationship is going, the tension appears to be coming from them having differing opinions on how much rafa should be given to spend this summer. I would say from what I have read and heard from both when interviewed that hicks seems to be wanting to give rafa more backing in the transfer market than gillett is willing and this is now causing tension with the top two !
      this I suppose is the problem in having co chairman as with co managers . . .

      I read the same thing and Hicks should knock Gillett on the head a bit so they can agree and give us more money  :action-smiley-060:
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      Reply #9: Jun 12, 2007 05:49:36 pm
      I think both of them are hardly mean-fisted when it comes to their American 'franchises'. 

      Let's see what happens next week.

      Until Rafa comes out and fires a warning in the media I won't be drawn in to any of this nail-biting.

      Some good points raised on the article on the site:
      http://www.anfield-online.co.uk/lfc-news/2007/06/11/media-stirs-liverpool-fans-in-to-panic/
      EddieC
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      Re: Hicks & Gillett
      Reply #10: Jun 12, 2007 07:10:31 pm
      A very good point that I've just seen elsewhere, and one that hasn't been raised before, is this.

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      Mr Moores is still involved with the club, even though he sold it. The passion he has for the club, I do not believe he would sit there & keep quiet if all was not well.
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      Reply #11: Jun 12, 2007 07:29:33 pm
      I remeber when they said if Rafa want's Snoop dog and he can justify why they would buy him has every one forgot them words see how there changing there tune now
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      Reply #12: Jun 12, 2007 07:48:31 pm
      I'm not worried yet, just a bit peed off with the waiting, fed up watching SSN !!   ;) ;D
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      Reply #13: Jun 13, 2007 09:54:39 am
      I'm not worried yet, just a bit peed off with the waiting, fed up watching SSN !!   ;) ;D

      Bet no matter how fed up you are watching SSN Smiggs you still turn on the tele every morning to check if there is any news ;D don't worry one of these days that yellow line across the screen will say Liverpool have officially signed....
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      Reply #14: Jun 13, 2007 09:59:43 am
      Bet no matter how fed up you are watching SSN Smiggs you still turn on the tele every morning to check if there is any news ;D don't worry one of these days that yellow line across the screen will say Liverpool have officially signed....
      i pray for the yellow line...ALL HALE THE YELLOW LINE
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      Reply #15: Jun 13, 2007 10:11:24 am
      I pray for the yellow line...ALL HALE THE YELLOW LINE

       :laughing-smiley-014: :laughing-smiley-014:

      I think we all praying for that yellow line Rhys
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      Reply #16: Jun 13, 2007 10:26:03 am
      OK this is what we need to do..... EVERYBODY......must think positive and think "YELLOW LINE"

      YELLOW LINE YELLOW LINE BREAKING NEWS BREAKING NEWS..
      UMPA UMPA DOOBARDI DO WE GOT SOME BREAKING NEWS FOR YOU
      :cool_goatee: :cool_goatee: :cool_goatee:
      « Last Edit: Jun 13, 2007 10:33:27 am by Rhys.a.red. »
      smigger15
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      Reply #17: Jun 13, 2007 02:03:41 pm
      Bet no matter how fed up you are watching SSN Smiggs you still turn on the tele every morning to check if there is any news ;D don't worry one of these days that yellow line across the screen will say Liverpool have officially signed....

      Your right there Naza, its the first thing i do when i open my eyes !!  ;D ;D
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      Reply #18: Jun 13, 2007 10:23:21 pm
      Your right there Naza, its the first thing I do when I open my eyes !!  ;D ;D

      Same ere! Got SKy in me room now so it's even worse! ;D
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      Reply #19: Jun 14, 2007 07:55:12 am
      Your right there Naza, its the first thing I do when I open my eyes !!  ;D ;D

      Same ere! Got SKy in me room now so it's even worse! ;D

      SSN is like an addiction that there's no rehab for YET cause i'm sure almost all LFC fans can't stop watching Sky and even worst now since the Yanks said"expect something in the next week"  :tv_horror: :tv_horror: :tv_horror:
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      Re: Hicks & Gillett
      Reply #20: Jun 14, 2007 10:19:09 pm
      I dont have sky so im always flicking on Teletext!
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      Reply #21: Jun 15, 2007 02:18:59 am
      Without SSN der would be no point getting up in the morning but we need Liverpool News because I'm sick of others signings and cricket news.

      I cant wait till the 18th of Augest the Prem will finally be back
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      Re: Hicks & Gillett
      Reply #22: Jul 23, 2007 06:32:30 pm
      I've just been emailed this article. Maybe someone could shed some light on it's source?



      Sports Suckers
      Hicks keeps taking the team to the basement and fans to the cleaners
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      By DAN MCGRAW

      Anyone who is a baseball fan in this part of Texas knows the Rangers stink ā€” and, aside from a few good teams in the late ā€™90s, have stunk for most of their history. This yearā€™s last-place team is really just part of the pattern. Whatā€™s becoming clearer, however, is that itā€™s not an accidental pattern ā€” but a part of owner Tom Hicksā€™ business plan.

      A perpetually last-place team wouldnā€™t seem to make much sense in the regular business world, but the business of baseball in Arlington is quite different from the rest of the country, and Hicks has figured this one out.

      Consider some basic facts about the Rangers: They are 21st in the league in payroll, and when you crunch the numbers and the odds, payroll has a great deal to do with winning. In the past 11 years, since major-league baseball went to the wild-card play-off format, 65 percent of the teams that made the play-offs were in the top third in payroll. And the numbers donā€™t lie when you move down the list: A quarter of the play-off teams came from the middle third in payroll terms, and just 10 percent from the cheapest-paying bottom third.

      So Hicks is playing the odds here, but doing it from the bottom. Attendance for Rangers games is fairly constant whether they win or lose ā€” about 2 to 2.5 million a year. When you look at it from Hicksā€™ perspective, it makes little sense to spend more money on better players for odds to win. Because he makes the same regardless.

      Keep the payroll low, and youā€™re assured of a profit. That team also has a slight chance to move up and increase the profit numbers with higher attendance. Increasing the payroll would give the Rangers a better chance of winning, but thereā€™s still a chance that the team could finish lower in the standings. So an increased payroll just risks the profit certainty, a proposition anyone in business would avoid.

      Some have called for Hicks to sell the team, but I donā€™t think he will, at least not for three to five years. Thatā€™s because the Rangers are an important part of Hicksā€™ biggest investment, the Glorypark real estate deal surrounding the ballpark.

      When Jerry Jones got Arlington voters to help pay for his new Cowboys stadium, the voters also gave Hicks a big present. Since the baseball stadium was built in 1994, thereā€™s always been a plan to develop the 200 acres around it. But the risk was too great with just the baseball games to bring customers in. With the Cowboys next door, the acreage has become very hot, giving owners a better chance of making huge profits. Hicks is planning a $600 million mixed-use development ā€” residential, entertainment, and offices ā€” on 75 acres. The Arlington City Council recently approved a $135 million tax break for Hicksā€™ company to help pay for infrastructure.

      But Hicks needs the Rangers for more than an anchor to bring people to Glorypark. The team is no rich manā€™s hobby ā€” itā€™s his bread and butter. In fact, since they bring him about $11 million a year, you could say the Rangers are his cake and caviar, too. When he controlled the Hicks Muse Tate & Furst investment company, that was where his money came from. But bad investments by Hicks Muse forced Tom into early retirement, and his sports teams are now his basic paycheck providers.

      The big question is, how does Hicks raise the $400 million to $500 million he needs to develop Glorypark? Once again, he is betting a big upside. Hicks recently announced he was floating a ā€œblank checkā€ public company on Wall Street. Investors donā€™t know what they are getting, but they give money to Hicks, and he has two years to invest it in whatever he determines and turn a profit for those whoā€™ve bankrolled him.

      And what a deal it is. According to news reports, Hicks puts up just $25,000 and controls 20 percent of the investment. The investors put up $400 million and get 80 percent. Whether Hicks will use the money for Glorypark is pure speculation at this point, but if it all works out, Hicks will get $80 million for his $25,000 investment.

      Rangers fans, of course, have been giving Hicks their blank checks for all these years of cellar-dwelling. Ticket prices keep rising, parking rates are obscene, and the price of a ballpark beer now tops $5, but the fans still show up. It is a blank loyalty, and Hicks takes that to the bank.

      Itā€™s maddening and ironic. But baseball fans might find it even more ironic when they see the proposed ticker name for the ā€œblank checkā€ company: HICK-U. Change the first two letters, and you have what Hicks has been telling Rangers fans for many years ā€” and apparently plans to keep on telling them.

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