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Arsenal and Spurs both have very rigid pay structures.
Doesn't seem to stop them signing players.

Arsenals wages bill is now higher than Chelsea mate

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/arsenal/11110007/Arsenals-annual-wage-bill-moves-ahead-of-Chelseas-for-first-time-in-more-than-a-decade.html

Just to clarify, where do you get these figures from mate? In his latest article, Tomkins mentions the wages-to-turnover ratio was at 63% for the last accounts. Since then, we got rid of Reina, Agger, Suarez (all three of them on massive wages), we´ve loaned 10 players out, and apart from Balotelli have signed 7 new players on low to medium wages. Add a much higher turnover for the next accounts and you´ll be actually looking at ridiculously slashed wages-to-turnover ratio. Handy pay-rise to Sturridge or Sterling won´t change that.

It was in the article he posted after sundays match.
He said "approaching" 70%, so it's likely he made a guesstimate with the new signings.
Even so, he's usually spot on when it comes to figures because that's his bread and butter.
As far as loans go, it depends on the terms. We've seen players loaned out before where we had to pay part of their wages.

Looking throigh those individual lists you can see that most of the top teams have a similar squad wage to us but they also all have 3 - 5 quality playerson well over £100k a week.

F**k andy caroll is on 90k a week at west ham a good 20k to 40k more than anyone below gerrard and johnson.

Regardless of wages, BR took a job, he presumably said he could do the job based on FSG's requirements and the clubs budget, so all of this wage malarkey is just one big strawman argument as far as I'm concerned.

"Oh but he didn't get the players he wanted". Well, tough sh*t. Very few managers get the players they want, and none of them have 100% track record.

It's on the field where things need to change, with a lot of the players who were excellent last season suddenly looking like a bunch of kids who've never played together.

Arsenals wages bill is now higher than Chelsea mate

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/arsenal/11110007/Arsenals-annual-wage-bill-moves-ahead-of-Chelseas-for-first-time-in-more-than-a-decade.html

Now. I believe this has recently changed due to the fact of stadium debt, or much of, has been paid off mate. It hasn't always been like that.

http://metro.co.uk/2014/05/23/embarrassing-atletico-madrid-spend-24million-less-on-players-than-qpr-4735487/

and this when they had diego costa, filipe luis and courtois among their numbers

Now. I believe this has recently changed due to the fact of stadium debt, or much of, has been paid off mate. It hasn't always been like that.

I think that's why it says for the first time in a decade mate

I think that's why it says for the first time in a decade mate

Didn't read the link only your words.

Didn't read the link only your words.

Typical, hours spent searching for just the right article.... and you can't be bothered to even read the F***ing link never mind the article!

It was in the article he posted after sundays match.
He said "approaching" 70%, so it's likely he made a guesstimate with the new signings.
Even so, he's usually spot on when it comes to figures because that's his bread and butter.
As far as loans go, it depends on the terms. We've seen players loaned out before where we had to pay part of their wages.

Think you read it wrong.

Of course, Liverpool couldn’t afford to pay big fees and big wages whilst also increasing the net squad size; the wages-to-turnover ratio was already at 63% for the last accounts, with 70% being the UEFA-decreed danger zone.

http://tomkinstimes.com/2014/11/time-to-sack-rodgers/

Agreed on loans but it still lowering a wage-bill on our part.

Why is it so hard to understand that the committee sets a value for a player and won't pay crazy money if, say Chelsea, step in with a much higher offer?

We could throw bucket loads of cash at a player but we can't afford to keep doing that since we have less money than our rivals.

It's not rocket science.

Was Siggurdson or Salah or Konolyanka worth the inflated prices we were quoted? They've hardly been pulling up trees since the deals fell through.

Can we blame Pubic Ayre yet!!

Regardless of wages, BR took a job, he presumably said he could do the job based on FSG's requirements and the clubs budget, so all of this wage malarkey is just one big strawman argument as far as I'm concerned.

It's on the field where things need to change, with a lot of the players who were excellent last season suddenly looking like a bunch of kids who've never played together.

The Suarez windfall at the end of last season was very charitably given to BR by the owners on the provision that he acquire quantity if not proven quality to attempt to address the void
The players you describe as ''excellent'' last season have either departed or are adapting to an entirely different regime with nobody familiar with each other's styles, methods or particular strengths - very similar to a bunch of kids who have never played together. 

Think you read it wrong.
http://tomkinstimes.com/2014/11/time-to-sack-rodgers/

Agreed on loans but it still lowering a wage-bill on our part.

Yep must have done.
But for the sake of being pedantic, 63% is still "approaching 70%" 

It still doesn't matter in regards to the budget constraints that BR knew about when he took the job, and any other job requirements he accepted.
For me, the bottom line is that the buck stops with the manager, his staff and the team.

erm what was the transfer fee?
Zero?

THATS what the bas**rds want to spend on transfers.
The greediest most overly profiteering owners want a cartel in football just as it is in American sports.
The nearest they have at the moment is a customer base they feel they can fleece at every opportunity.

More income, less costs, more player sales.
More profits
Even less of a football club.
More of a "monetizing brand".

There are no transfer fees in American sports. Not the way it works. Purely contract based. Whoever offers the best contract, usually gets the player they want.

There are no transfer fees in American sports. Not the way it works. Purely contract based. Whoever offers the best contract, usually gets the player they want.

Seems to be working more and more that way over here too mate.

Seems to be working more and more that way over here too mate.

Once the money got to a point of ridiculousness the loyalty factor kind of went out the window. There were no "benefits" to staying with one club for your whole career (or most of it). Players could move around and make more money than the Pope in a few short years, guaranteeing their lavish lifestyle would never be in doubt.

Good work if you can get it I suppose.

PLAYER   AGE   Weekly Salary   CONTRTACT REMAINING
Simon Mignolet   26   £60,000   4 Years (2018)
Brad Jones           32              2 Years (2016)
Mamadou Sakho   24   £75,000     3 Years (2017)
Daniel Agger   29   £65,000   2 Years (2016)
Martin Skrtel   29   £90,000   2 Years (2016)
Dejan Lovren   25   £70,000   5 Years (2019)
Kolo Touré           33   £60,000     1 Year (2015)
Tiago Ilori           21               4 Years (2018)
Sebastián Coates   23   £50,000    2 Years (2016)
José Enrique   28   £65,000    2 Years (2016)
Glen Johnson   29   £90,000   1 Year (2015)
Javier Manquillo   20   £25,000   1 Year (2015)
Martin Kelly   24   £40,000   3 Years (2017)
Jon Flanagan   21   £40,000   1 Year (2015)
Lucas             27   £65,000    3 Years (2017)
Emre Can           20   £60,000    
Henderson           24   £55,000    2 Years (2016)
Joe Allen            24   £45,000    3 Years (2017)
Steven Gerrard   34   £140,000    1 Year (2015)
Adam Lallana    26   £75,000   5 Years (2019)
Coutinho           22   £60,000    4 Years (2018)
Suso                   20                1 Year (2015)
Oussama Assaidi   25   £50,000   2 Years (2016)
Raheem Sterling   19   £40,000   4 Years (2018)
Lazar Markovic   20   £35,000    
Daniel Sturridge   24   £80,000     4 Years (2018)
Fabio Borini    23   £60,000    3 Years (2017)
Rickie Lambert   32   £45,000   2 Years (2016)

Chelsea

Thibaut Courtois   22   £60,000   2 Years (2016)
Petr Cech           32   £120,000   2 Years (2016)
Mark Schwarzer   41   £50,000   1 Year (2015)
Jamal Blackman   20   £10,000   5 Years (2019)
Gary Cahill     28   £90,000   3 Years (2017)
Kurt Zouma   19   £10,000   5 Years (2019)
John Terry           33   £175,000   1 Year (2015)
Filipe                   28   £60,000   3 Years (2017)
Ivanovic           30   £75,000   2 Years (2016)
César Azpilicueta   24   £60,000   3 Years (2017)
Nemanja Matic   26   £75,000   5 Years (2019)
John Obi Mikel   27   £75,000   3 Years (2017)
Oriol Romeu   22   £15,000   3 Years (2017)
Ramires           27   £65,000   3 Years (2017)
Van Ginkel           21   £40,000    4 Years (2018)
Josh McEachran   21   £15,000   2 Years (2016)
Cesc Fàbregas   27   £200,000   5 Years (2019)
Oscar                   22   £70,000   3 Years (2017)
Willian           25   £70,000   4 Years (2018)
Marko Marin   25   £35,000   3 Years (2017)
Eden Hazard   23   £185,000   3 Years (2017)
Mohamed Salah   22   £40,000   5 Years (2019)
André Schürrle   23   £70,000   4 Years (2018)
Victor Moses   23   £50,000   3 Years (2017)
Christian Atsu   22              4 Years (2018)
Diego Costa   25   £200,000   5 Years (2019)
Fernando Torres   30   £175,000   2 Years (2016)
Didier Drogba   36   £80,000    1 Year (2015)

Man City

Joe Hart           26   £80,000   2016
Richard Wright   35               2014
Pantilimon           26   £20,000   2016
Kompany           27   £120,000   2018
Joleon Lescott   30   £94,000   2014
Matija Nastasic   20   £75,000   2017
Kolarov           27   £65,000   2015
Gaël Clichy           28   £90,000   2017
Micah Richards   25   £60,000   2015
Pablo Zabaleta   28   £70,000   2015
Javi García           26   £75,000   2017
Jack Rodwell   22   £55,000   2017
Fernandinho   28   £90,000    2017
Yaya Touré           30   £200,000    2017
James Milner   27   £80,000   2015
Samir Nasri   26   £140,000   2015
David Silva           27   £135,000    2017
Jesús Navas   27   £80,000    2017
Scott Sinclair   24   £55,000   2016
Stevan Jovetic   23   £75,000     2018
Álvaro Negredo   27   £100,000   2017
Edin Dzeko      27   £90,000   2015
Agüero           25   £220,000   2017
John Guidetti   21   £10,000   2015

Arsenal

Szczesny           24   £65,000   4 Years (2018)
David Ospina   25   £40,000   5 Years (2019)
Per Mertesacker   29   £70,000   3 Years (2017)
Vermaelen           28   £70,000   1 Year (2015)
Koscielny           28   £60,000   3 Years (2017)
Nacho Monreal   28   £50,000   3 Years (2017)
Kieran Gibbs   24   £60,000   4 Years (2018)
Debuchy           29   £70,000   5 Years (2019)
Chambers           19   £10,000   
Mathieu Flamini   30   £65,000   1 Year (2015)
Francis Coquelin   23   £20,000   1 Year (2015)
Jack Wilshere   22   £90,000   4 Years (2018)
Aaron Ramsey   23   £80,000   4 Years (2018)
Mikel Arteta   32   £80,000   1 Year (2015)
Abou Diaby   28   £65,000   1 Year (2015)
Mesut Özil           25   £140,000   4 Years (2018)
Tomás Rosicky   33   £85,000   2 Years (2016)
Santi Cazorla   29   £90,000   2 Years (2016)
Chamberlain   20   £65,000   4 Years (2018)
Serge Gnabry   19   £10,000   4 Years (2018)
Lukas Podolski   29   £75,000   2 Years (2016)
Ryo Miyaichi   21   £10,000   1 Year (2015)
Alexis Sánchez   25   £140,000   4 Years (2018)
Theo Walcott   25   £100,000   2 Years (2016)
Joel Campbell   22   £40,000   2 Years (2016)
Olivier Giroud   27   £100,000   2 Years (2016)
Yaya Sanogo   21   £20,000   3 Years (2017)

Mancs

David de Gea   23   £75k     2 years (2016)
Lindegaard           30   £40k           2 years (2016)
Ben Amos           24   £10k           1 years (2015)
Phil Jones           22   £50k           2 years (2016)
Jonny Evans   26   £65k           2 years (2016)
Chris Smalling   24   £60k           2 years (2016)
Luke Shaw     19   £50k           4 years (2018)
Marcus Rojo   24   £70k           5 years (2019)
Rafael           24   £60k           2 years (2016)
Daley Blind   24   £75k           4 years (2018)
Fellaini           26   £80k           4 years (2018)
Tom Cleverley   24   £70k           1 years (2015)
Michael Carrick   33   £80k           1 years (2015)
Anderson           26   £60k           1 years (2015)
Darren Fletcher   30   £70k           1 years (2015)
Juan Mata           26   £130k   4 years (2018)
Ander Herrera   24   £80k           4 years (2018)
Angel Di Maria   26   £150k   4 years (2018)
Nick Powell           20   £10k           2 years (2016)
Ashley Young   29   £118k   2 years (2016)
Adnan Januzaj   19   £40K     4 years (2018)
Antonio Valencia   28   £70k           3 years (2017)
Wayne Rooney   28   £300k   5 years (2019)
Robin van Persie   30   £250k   2 years (2016)
Falcao           28   £280k   1 years (2015)
Ángelo Henríquez   20   £10k   2 years (2016)

Can we blame Pubic Ayre yet!!

Not when so many fans seem to have Brendan by the short and curlies.

Not when so many fans seem to have Brendan by the short and curlies.

If people insist on playing the blame game, then it's only right that BR gets his share of criticism.
There's more to it than just BR and his staff of course, but just as people seem to want a player to scapegoat, so they now turn on the manager.

For what it's worth, I think this is pointless.
Nothing happens in a vacuum and there are probably many reasons for our poor form, and I expect they are all related in some way or another, Carra and Nevilles opinions notwithstanding.

There are no transfer fees in American sports. Not the way it works. Purely contract based. Whoever offers the best contract, usually gets the player they want.

thats what I mean.

More fuel for the fire...

I won't make you click...

Sandoval, Ramirez Deals Remind Us What Red Sox Are All About

   

    Bill Speros
    @realOBF
    Boston.com Correspondent
    November 24, 2014 11:38 AM

    Obnoxious Boston Fan is long-time sports journalist Bill Speros and offers a fun, unique and biting perspective on the Red Sox, Celtics, Bruins, Patriots and whatever else people are talking about in the world of sports.

The Red Sox have made themselves relevant again.

Spending $190 million to win the internet for a day, or whatever passes for a "news cycle" in 2014, isn't quite as crazy as it seems.

Now, if the Red Sox can get back Jon Lester, they might even be competitive again.

The Red Sox got a one-week jump Cyber Monday. Instead of landing a bargain, they paid a hefty markup for their stuff. By reportedly dropping $190 million combined on Pablo Sandoval and Hanley Ramirez, the Red Sox reminded us and everyone else what they're all about.

These deals weren't about baseball. And neither are the Red Sox. They are a unique form of entertainment that enjoys a special emotional and historic hold on their audience. The Red Sox are back on our radar. The Hot Stove has been turned up to about 375 degrees. John Henry, Tom Werner, Larry Luchhino and Ben Cherington can enjoy a group high-five.

Christmas at Fenway must be just around the corner.

Let others break down Ramirez's OPS vs. left-handed pitchers on Tuesday nights inside domed stadiums. Or the dollar-value of Sandoval's contract vs. the luxury-tax threshold in 2017.

The only question that matters with any of these signings is this: Do these players make the team better and more-compelling to watch?

The answer is a simple "yes" and "hell, yes."

You just know that Panda heads will be the new Pink Hats.

Poor Blades over on Causeway Street. He's got to be crushed.

Watching the most-recent version of the Red Sox was the baseball version of water-boarding. By July 4, the focus had shifted to next season. This is something that had never happened during the reign of the current ownership group.

The 2012 last-place Red Sox and Bobby Valentine kept things interesting right up until that season's merciful end. The 2011 Red Sox missed the playoffs, but went minutes into Sept. 30 when the season ended on Sept. 29. Perhaps the 2006 team came closest to 2014's malaise, but David Ortiz hit 52 home runs that year to keep folks tuned into NESN.

The Red Sox were neither interesting, entertaining nor competitive. The best thing on NESN last summer was "Behind The B."

The highlight of the 2014 season turned out to be Jerry Remy losing his tooth in July. Last spring Xander Bogaerts and Jackie Bradley Jr. were being hailed as the second-coming of Rice and Lynn. They turned out to be latest incarnations of Kevin Romine and Lars Anderson.

We've been burned by the "hot prospect" label often before.

Just two years ago, Will Middlebrooks was being lauded as the team's right-handed slugger of the future. Middlebrooks opted not to play winter ball for the Red Sox this year. It looks like he won't be playing spring ball, summer ball or fall ball with Boston, either.

Some believe some players on the current roster - starting with Bogaerts - should be considered "untouchable" and "untradeable." As the 2014 season regressed, we saw that Bogaerts couldn't hit, couldn't field and couldn't run. Other than that, he's a solid ball player.

This team finished about 826 games out of first place, or so it seemed. The only thing that saved the summer of 2014 sports-wise was the start of Patriots training camp. This isn't 1964. No one is going spend their money and/or another summer, or another 10 minutes, watching Red Sox develop "the kids."

Baseball games, even the good ones, are too long with too much inaction. Especially in today's world of immediate everything. This past season, fans got the Pawtucket Red Sox at Boston Red Sox prices. One must wonder how many season-ticket holders are holding back on sending in their invoices with those four- and five-figure checks until the pitching arrives.

The Red Sox know that adding Sandoval and Ramirez is not enough. They alone cannot make the team a contender. Nor is having 14 third-basemen and 12 left-fielders a guarantor of success.

The thought of Clay Buchholz or Joe Kelly as the Red Sox opening day starter in Philadelphia next April 6 makes one pray for an extended winter and a longer and deeper Polar Vortex.

The 2015 Red Sox remain a work in progress. Or at least they'd better be.

On a macro level, the Red Sox do not compete with the Yankees, Blue Jays or Rays.

They compete with Netflix, "Avengers - Age of Ultron" - coming to a theater near you in IMAX on May 1, Candy Crush, on-line gambling and porn, the TV sweeps period in May, the return of "Mad Men," the NFL regular-season, the NHL and NBA playoffs, and every other form of entertainment designed to separate us from our time and money.

The salary issue is always overblown. First, the Red Sox and every other baseball team will have $25 million or more to spend next season thanks to new network TV revenue. Secondly, the team has about $60 million to spend in 2015 before reaching the luxury-tax limit. Thirdly, you have to spend money to make money. The Red Sox and their ownership know all of this. If either of these purported deals becomes too much in three or four years, the Red Sox will dump the players and work out a deal with some other club to pick up part of their remaining contracts.

It starts as our money, but it's theirs to spend. All we can do it not give it to them, which is what thousands of would-be tickets buyers would certainly do without substantial and dynamic change this off-season.

To survive and thrive, the Red Sox must put asses in the seats and bring eyeballs to NESN's telecasts. It's that simple, folks. That makes the addition of Sandoval and Ramirez a plus for the team, but not the final answer.

Stay tuned.

http://www.boston.com/sports/blogs/obnoxiousbostonfan/2014/11/sandoval_ramirez_deals_remind_us_what_red_sox_are_all_about.html

 

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No doubt spending all Liverpool's hard earned money on crappy American rounders again 








   

 
No doubt spending all Liverpool's hard earned money on crappy American rounders again 








   

If we could just get them to spend some baseball money on our little soccer team