NESV/Fenway Sports Group: Owners of LFC

everyone blaming fsg because they don't offer high enough wages to players ... with good management you can win alot of things even with our current wages, i don't think teams like dortmund, atletico madrid, napoli have players with bigger wages than ours

everyone blaming fsg because they don't offer high enough wages to players ... with good management you can win alot of things even with our current wages, i don't think teams like dortmund, atletico madrid, napoli have players with bigger wages than ours

When did they join the EPL and have to compete with Chelsea, City, Manure and Arsenal?

When did they join the EPL and have to compete with Chelsea, City, Manure and Arsenal?

well atletico just missed winning the ucl in the last seconds and won the title while competing with barcelona and real madrid mate and dortmund while competing with bayern was close to a ucl trophy and won 2 titles in a row

well atletico just missed winning the ucl in the last seconds and won the title while competing with barcelona and real madrid mate and dortmund while competing with bayern was close to a ucl trophy and won 2 titles in a row

They both had decent seasons and look at them now!

last time i checked dortmund knocked out city from ucl groups and have battered arsenal 2 years ago and in this season

atletico knocked out chelsea

atletico are 4 points off real madrid at the moment, sitting in 3rd place and what happened with dormund is something strange, an accident, they have alot of bad luck lately, missing alot of chances and points in last minutes and players through injuries

Maybe because he wanted to go to Barca?
Maybe because he did his Hannibal Lecter impression again?

You know exactly why Suarez left Walton, because he wanted to go to Barca.

Stop trying to fudge the issue, and tell me why so many players have been given improved contracts if FSG don't want to pay the wages.
Incidentally, our wage bill is again approaching 70% of turnover (according to Tomkins) which gives the lie to your statement that we won't pay decent wages.
By the way, that's 70% of a much higher turnover, which in turn means our wage bill is higher than it has ever been, assuming Tomkins has his figures correct.

its not a fudge you ask a question that can only be answered by the parties involved.
We can't possibly know why FSG tried to tie down some established players it was obviously a planned strategy but lets face it when it comes to buying and selling players they are still way off the mark.

Well we know they've not sanctioned past transfers because the fee was too high (Dempsey) so do you really think that doesn't apply to wages as well?

That one was perfectly acceptable,  Fulham wanted twice what they had already accepted from another club.

How is Lambert a young player again ?

Come on mate; as you know moneyball calls for the overpaying of players to fill niches that allow the overall strategy to work.

Lambert was bought as a third/fourth line striker to give us a different option. Given our luck with injury and form it seems like that is the part of our transfer strategy that has actually worked out.

It seems bizarre to suggest you are suggesting this deal as the epitome of why our transfer committee doesn't function properly.

See, FSG isn't against paying top dollar for top talent.

http://espn.go.com/boston/mlb/story/_/id/11929658/boston-red-sox-pablo-sandoval-agree-deal

Incidentally, our wage bill is again approaching 70% of turnover (according to Tomkins) which gives the lie to your statement that we won't pay decent wages.
By the way, that's 70% of a much higher turnover, which in turn means our wage bill is higher than it has ever been, assuming Tomkins has his figures correct.

Just to clarify, where do you get these figures from mate? In his latest article, Tomkins mentions the wages-to-turnover ratio was at 63% for the last accounts. Since then, we got rid of Reina, Agger, Suarez (all three of them on massive wages), we´ve loaned 10 players out, and apart from Balotelli have signed 7 new players on low to medium wages. Add a much higher turnover for the next accounts and you´ll be actually looking at ridiculously slashed wages-to-turnover ratio. Handy pay-rise to Sturridge or Sterling won´t change that.

See, FSG isn't against paying top dollar for top talent.

http://espn.go.com/boston/mlb/story/_/id/11929658/boston-red-sox-pablo-sandoval-agree-deal

Which begs the question... if they can give someone 88 mil over 4 seasons with the possibility of a 1 year extension.

Which equates to $423,000 or £270,000 per week.

Why can't we pay top money from the get go.

Would he have agreed to sign for them at $323,000 per week and make the rest up in performance related bonuses like we are seemingly trying to do over here?

I think not.

Oh and this is a top player reaching or at his peak at the age of 28

erm what was the transfer fee?
Zero?

THATS what the bas**rds want to spend on transfers.
The greediest most overly profiteering owners want a cartel in football just as it is in American sports.
The nearest they have at the moment is a customer base they feel they can fleece at every opportunity.

More income, less costs, more player sales.
More profits
Even less of a football club.
More of a "monetizing brand".

Brendan charmed the knickers off a 20 something

Do you reckon that it was his witty repartee; his boyish good looks or his money which sealed that particular deal mate?

It's amazing what talent you can attract with money - just ask John W. 

Now... If only that same model could be used re: football.

I just take hope that as previously ( the king ) they act swiftly when they see things are going wrong.

Do you reckon they will sack him tho? After all, that would be akin to them admitting they got it wrong... Yet again.

But hey... That doesn't count in the 'what have FSG done wrong?' stakes and they're obviously not accountable for anything... so it's all good. Who knows - third time lucky maybe and if not - sure there's always the next time; eh?

We have 3 players who earn over 100k a week, Johnson is soon gone, Stevie if he stays will be on half his wage so that only leaves Sturridge. So where are all these high earners?

Do you actually have a list of what everyone earns it would be very interesting to see that.

You guys have got to start understanding that the reason why we don't sign some players is simply because they prefer going some where else. The club can't just snap their fingers like Real Madrid and Barca can. The only way for us to get the top top players is by paying massively over the top, like Citeh did, which in the absence of an owner with more money than sense will lead to higher ticket prices. So let me once again ask, are you happy to accept higher ticket prices in exchange for the top top mercenary players coming to the club, if not then kindly stop this whining about FSG and instead focus on the ineptitude of Brendan Rodgers because that is the real problem at the moment.
Also kindly show some respect to the Liverpool players we have, they are a lot better than some of you think, they just need proper coaching and motivation.

Do you actually have a list of what everyone earns it would be very interesting to see that.

http://www.tsmplug.com/football/liverpool-players-salary-list-2014/

Think this will give you a very rough idea mate

erm what was the transfer fee?
Zero?

THATS what the bas**rds want to spend on transfers.
The greediest most overly profiteering owners want a cartel in football just as it is in American sports.
The nearest they have at the moment is a customer base they feel they can fleece at every opportunity.

More income, less costs, more player sales.
More profits
Even less of a football club.
More of a "monetizing brand".

Out of curiosity what is it you want them to do differently, you seem to have a real hatred of FSG and I'm curious what its based on? On the one hand you complain that they fleece us, but then you want them to spend more money on wages and transfers, which will mean higher ticket prices, its a bit bizarre really. Do you yearn for the days of Hicks and Gillet, are you in fact Hicks or Gillet or one of their idiot offspring?

Do you actually have a list of what everyone earns it would be very interesting to see that.

You guys have got to start understanding that the reason why we don't sign some players is simply because they prefer going some where else. The club can't just snap their fingers like Real Madrid and Barca can. The only way for us to get the top top players is by paying massively over the top, like Citeh did, which in the absence of an owner with more money than sense will lead to higher ticket prices. So let me once again ask, are you happy to accept higher ticket prices in exchange for the top top mercenary players coming to the club, if not then kindly stop this whining about FSG and instead focus on the ineptitude of Brendan Rodgers because that is the real problem at the moment.
Also kindly show some respect to the Liverpool players we have, they are a lot better than some of you think, they just need proper coaching and motivation.

I think if they need motivation, they're at the wrong club.
Regardless, main prob is the players aren't good enough.
Low wages, low transfer fees= low performance.

http://www.tsmplug.com/football/liverpool-players-salary-list-2014/

Think this will give you a very rough idea mate

Thanks but how official is this and BTW poor old Brad Jones, zero salary :-(

Now what I'd like to see is our wage bill compared to other clubs, that will tell the real story.

I think if they need motivation, they're at the wrong club.
Regardless, main prob is the players aren't good enough.
Low wages, low transfer fees= low performance.

You see I fundamentally disagree, I think motivation comes from the manager, it is one of his main roles, man-management. I also think our players, who were good enough to get within touching distance of winning the league last season are more than good enough to be at least in 2nd-3rd place at the moment. The problem is in motivation and tactics or are you happy with team selections and formations at the moment, because if so then please explain why you are happy with a system which is leaking goals whilst offering zero goal threat.

http://www.tsmplug.com/football/liverpool-players-salary-list-2014/

Think this will give you a very rough idea mate

That's some pretty poor wages right there. Fair enough for the level of the players we have it is good money for them... However bar gerrard or johnson it seems the maximum we are prepared to offer is around the 70k mark.

Theres no wonder we are not signing top players if that's what we are offering.

And based on our high profile signing record I think that probably is what we are offering

Becausr lets face it out of all the top players we have supposedly been in for... You'd expect at least ONE of them to want to join us.

Which begs the question... if they can give someone 88 mil over 4 seasons with the possibility of a 1 year extension.

Which equates to $423,000 or £270,000 per week.

Why can't we pay top money from the get go.

Would he have agreed to sign for them at $323,000 per week and make the rest up in performance related bonuses like we are seemingly trying to do over here?

I think not.

Oh and this is a top player reaching or at his peak at the age of 28

Totally different sports - not right to compare the two. In Baseball there are about 160 games a season, so 80 home games - if they get a capacity of 37,000 per game over that at around $50 a ticket they will make in ticket sales alone about $70Million more a season than we do. On top of that a game lasts about 3 hours, so most of the fans will get a few drinks, hot dogs, nuts etc - a lot more than we do at a game, so I would guess about $100Million more just on that really helps.

Sponsorship is again totally different, looking at Forbes they spend $185 Million on Players and $175 of that is made up by gate receipts - so everything else is profit. They can afford to pay players a lot more than we can, simple as that.

NESV always said one franchise would not support the other, and that's too right..!

Onto investment, since 2012 we have been in the top 4 spending PL clubs on new players - its not how much we spend its what we are getting for the money. I don't care about 'net spend' - end of the day if you spend the way we have you should be a better team - that cannot be blamed on NESV but the manager in charge.

Thanks but how official is this and BTW poor old Brad Jones, zero salary :-(

Now what I'd like to see is our wage bill compared to other clubs, that will tell the real story.

http://www.tsmplug.com/football/premier-league-player-salaries-club-by-club/

maybe a bit simpler to read

everyone blaming fsg because they don't offer high enough wages to players ... with good management you can win alot of things even with our current wages, i don't think teams like dortmund, atletico madrid, napoli have players with bigger wages than ours

Arsenal and Spurs both have very rigid pay structures.
Doesn't seem to stop them signing players.