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      The Old Lady Of The Grafton - Chris Bascombe
      Mar 26, 2012 05:16:23 pm
      Dont get me wrong.
      When it comes to journos from the Telegraph I know Henry Winter will give us fair press every time.

      This article  is by Chris Bascombe.

      Now I dont particularly like what I read ...so don't shoot the Piano Player ... .but how much of a reality check does he give?

      No one can really get around the fact of what he is saying ....however unpleasant or unpopular it may be.

      There is a very Big Picture that he paints much of which has to be admitted.

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      http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/liverpool/9166045/Liverpools-latest-disappointment-at-home-to-Wigan-highlights-Anfields-blindness-to-modern-failings.html

      By Chris Bascombe, Anfield

      11:00PM BST 25 Mar 2012

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      A once grand ballroom that fell into disrepair, it was a location where ladies of a certain vintage relived their golden days, throwing on the lipstick for one more shot at rapture alongside a fresh generation. Every now and again they would strike lucky too, as visitors in awe of the sheer novelty value of the 'grab a granny nights’ succumbed to its particular charms.

      In so many ways, Liverpool Football Club have something in common with the ladies of The Grafton.

      They are like an old lush, sat in the corner telling the world how attractive and marvellous they are, utterly affronted when anyone blind to their natural beauty suggests otherwise. Friends, lovers and acquaintances nod enthusiastically each time the club attest to their own greatness, but neutrals and rivals think their better days have long since passed.

      Every so often the reminders are more potent. A magical one-night stand in Europe, or (as this season’s Carling Cup final demonstrated) an occasional trophy, but the most serious threat to Liverpool’s enduring significance is not the criticism or pity of onlookers, it is their own lack of self-awareness.

      Defeat at home to a bottom-three side such as Wigan Athletic is still looked upon at Anfield as a shock, a performance which belies form or tradition.

      Why?   
         
      Wigan have not lost to Liverpool for three years. They are one of 10 teams to have left Anfield this season enthused by their opponents’ inability to win at home. Shaun Maloney’s penalty and Gary Caldwell’s 64th-minute winner condemned Liverpool to their worst Anfield run since relegation in 1953.

      In applauding his own side’s “historic” win, Wigan manager Roberto Martinez generously suggested Anfield remains a special, iconic football venue. That view is based increasingly on the place’s sense of the past. Liverpool might as well be playing in their museum.

      Walk around Old Trafford, the Etihad Arena or the Emirates on matchday. Pause, soak in the scale of the view and keep convincing yourself Anfield does not look like the remnant of another era. One day you will wake up and those Malaysian fans you keep fluttering your eyelids at will be wearing City scarves.

      Look at the league table for the last 22 years and ask how many genuine title challenges there have been.
      Two?
      Three perhaps?

      Thoroughly examine why the club have fallen from their lofty perch. It is not because they have been pushed off by others, been victims of some bizarre FA or Sir Alex Ferguson-led conspiracy, been sidelined by high finance or have suffered two decades of bad luck.

      It is because successive managers have wasted millions on inadequate players.
      Those still inaccurately perceived as their closest rivals (a 28-point gap to United is a loose definition of 'close’) have used their resources infinitely better.
      When a ÂŁ35 million striker and a ÂŁ20 million midfielder turn out to be appalling, the simplistic demand is for another cheque to be signed.
      Supporters work out the profits from sales, subtract the fees from purchases and use this an excuse for buying pap.

      It is desperately feeble.

      The other option is another managerial change and the recycling of mitigating factors for 12 more months of rebuilding. That has not worked much, either.

      Kenny Dalglish is destined to get one more chance next season regardless of the debate about whether he should.

      Not because it has been a fantastic season (it clearly has not), not because the league table tells fibs (it does not) and not because his signings are good enough (they certainly are not).

      He will get another season because there is no appetite to write him off after one trophy winning campaign, which could still end with the FA Cup.

      When Rafael Benitez came seventh and Roy Hodgson flirted with a relegation scrap, you could call anyone at Liverpool and aside from a handful of sycophants, 90 per cent of employees from the board down to the secretaries did not just crave change, they lobbied for it.

      The fundamental difference between then and now is the same enquiries provoke the opposite view.
      Dalglish is not just liked, or respected.
      He is adored and trusted. Liverpool were booed off on Saturday, but Dalglish’s name was still sung (although not as much as it was when he still a club ambassador).

      For the club’s American owners, the challenge is brutal. Chief among them is convincing their fan base to share in a communal period of self-revelation.

      “Slow and steady progress,” is their mantra. The emphasis is on slow.

      They may also have to add the word 'agonising’. Expecting them to repair two decades of fierce cultural resistance to any view suggesting the Liverpool way is no longer the correct one will take courage and a willingness to flirt with unpopularity to do what they believe is essential and right.

      “There’s a word we have been using for the last 12 months,” managing director Ian Ayre said last week.

      “Unity.”

      That is all well and good, but here is another one the club better get used to if they do not accept, confront and deal more urgently with the problem of their current place in English football.
      Irrelevance.

      « Last Edit: Mar 26, 2012 07:17:48 pm by JD »
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      Reply #1: Mar 26, 2012 05:43:14 pm
      Having engaged (many years ago of course) in the grab a granny activities described by Chris Bascombe I percevered with the article hoping for some slight distraction and mainly to discover if he had any luck in the pulling dept.
      However the mongrel is incapable of changing his spots and lo and behold he links a demolished ballroom to LFC, not in a favourable light of course.
      Is this a reflection of his literary skills, his intelectual prowess and imagination or is it some morbid fixation or hang up he has held in his psyche for years about Liverpool and his innability to communicate socially or otherwise with his and I use the word advisedly fellow,  scousers.
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      Reply #2: Mar 26, 2012 06:25:53 pm
      There are some interesting points in there, but by and large it is the sort of article that would be written about any big club that had just lost to two lowly opponents.  Just remember how many articles there were about Arsenal a couple of months ago, when they were going through a particularly sticky patch. Don't see many of them questioning Arsene Wengers qualities now.

      Win the next couple of games and the journalists will find something else to write about, it's football and it's journalism. Doesn't bother me unduly.
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      Re: The Old Lady Of The Grafton - Chris Bascombe
      Reply #3: Mar 26, 2012 07:20:21 pm
      F**k off Bascombe you NOTW sell-out tw*t.

      Apart from that some relatively truthful comments interspersed with his usual vitriolic bollocks.

      I suppose we were 'throwing on the lipstick' on the way to our two Champions League finals as well. 
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      Re: The Old Lady Of The Grafton - Chris Bascombe
      Reply #4: Mar 26, 2012 07:22:15 pm
      Bascombe is live on talkshite now with Collymore.
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      Reply #5: Mar 26, 2012 07:28:06 pm
      There are some interesting points in there, but by and large it is the sort of article that would be written about any big club that had just lost to two lowly opponents.  Just remember how many articles there were about Arsenal a couple of months ago, when they were going through a particularly sticky patch. Don't see many of them questioning Arsene Wengers qualities now.

      Win the next couple of games and the journalists will find something else to write about, it's football and it's journalism. Doesn't bother me unduly.
      You miss the point, Bascombe is a weird turncoat who in spight of his alleged support for LFC continually snipes at the club, it's players and the city then to put the icing on the cake takes a job with Rupert F***ing Murdoch. The content of his work is irelevant - we know where it's coming from.
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      Re: The Old Lady Of The Grafton - Chris Bascombe
      Reply #6: Mar 26, 2012 07:40:38 pm
      Well..I've read some articles this fella has written before but its the first time I've heard him speak.

      What a complete tw*t! Anyone would think he hates the club, supporters and everything else that goes with it.

      He's no Red  :mad:
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      Re: The Old Lady Of The Grafton - Chris Bascombe
      Reply #7: Mar 26, 2012 07:45:11 pm
      How the F**k can he call himself a supporter after writing a piece like that?  >:(
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      Reply #8: Mar 26, 2012 07:52:22 pm
      Nice...

      What a tit..
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      Reply #9: Mar 26, 2012 07:57:08 pm


      We're gonna need a bigger bandwagon!
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      Reply #10: Mar 26, 2012 08:37:19 pm
      I used to be a footy journalist. One thing I learned about crap journalists is that they love to kick an easy target when they are down. It makes for easy copy.
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      Re: The Old Lady Of The Grafton - Chris Bascombe
      Reply #11: Mar 26, 2012 09:02:33 pm
      Bascombe giving an opinion on what he thinks is irrelevant.



      Irony.
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      Reply #12: Mar 26, 2012 10:56:26 pm
      Bascombe and Collymore deserve each other and have something in common. Self agrandisement and stirring it up. Kenny is going through a difficult period but it does not make him a bad manager -any more than a striker who goes through a difficult patch. It is the first time in his illustrious career that he has. He has been fiercely loyal to LFC and deserves to be repaid with our support. Loyalty is not something that Collymore or Bascombe will ever know the meaning of. The fact that LFC are a club that still commands such attention is largely down to 3 men. Shanks, Paisley and Dalglish who has done so much for this club and we should not forget that. He deserves our respect and support. When you walk through a storm....The players must take responsibility. When we got good results against Man U, Man C, Arsenal and Chelsea we did not think they were bad players - because they are not. Dalglish has more experience than most managers. We must stand together as one.
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      Re: The Old Lady Of The Grafton - Chris Bascombe
      Reply #13: Mar 26, 2012 11:39:31 pm
      Bascombe and Collymore deserve each other and have something in common. Self agrandisement and stirring it up. Kenny is going through a difficult period but it does not make him a bad manager -any more than a striker who goes through a difficult patch. It is the first time in his illustrious career that he has. He has been fiercely loyal to LFC and deserves to be repaid with our support. Loyalty is not something that Collymore or Bascombe will ever know the meaning of. The fact that LFC are a club that still commands such attention is largely down to 3 men. Shanks, Paisley and Dalglish who has done so much for this club and we should not forget that. He deserves our respect and support. When you walk through a storm....The players must take responsibility. When we got good results against Man U, Man C, Arsenal and Chelsea we did not think they were bad players - because they are not. Dalglish has more experience than most managers. We must stand together as one.

      Well said and welcome to the forum.
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      Reply #14: Mar 27, 2012 09:11:46 am
      Bascombe and Collymore deserve each other and have something in common. Self agrandisement and stirring it up. Kenny is going through a difficult period but it does not make him a bad manager -any more than a striker who goes through a difficult patch. It is the first time in his illustrious career that he has. He has been fiercely loyal to LFC and deserves to be repaid with our support. Loyalty is not something that Collymore or Bascombe will ever know the meaning of. The fact that LFC are a club that still commands such attention is largely down to 3 men. Shanks, Paisley and Dalglish who has done so much for this club and we should not forget that. He deserves our respect and support. When you walk through a storm....The players must take responsibility. When we got good results against Man U, Man C, Arsenal and Chelsea we did not think they were bad players - because they are not. Dalglish has more experience than most managers. We must stand together as one.
      Stirring words, welcome to the forum mate.
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      Re: The Old Lady Of The Grafton - Chris Bascombe
      Reply #15: Mar 27, 2012 02:46:05 pm
      Let's not kid ourselves, this is Bascombe's bitterness coming out in spades. You could hear it in his voice when talking to Collymore. He seems to have had a epiphany at the News of the World and now thinks himself above us. The best thing to do is ban the tw*t.
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      Re: The Old Lady Of The Grafton - Chris Bascombe
      Reply #16: Mar 27, 2012 02:57:23 pm
      Bet he had a good laugh writing that. He's one self hating, soft sh*te c**t, whos better left ignored.
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      Re: The Old Lady Of The Grafton - Chris Bascombe
      Reply #17: Mar 31, 2012 07:55:11 am
      i can't read stuff like this i just can't get through it. i don't need this negativity in my head, there is no point letting this "information" in you know? what good does it do us to get angrier? i mean what he says about the malaysian fans and all, it's just retarded. that's a pretty disgusting thing to imply that thousands and thousands of fans in another country in the world are all just fair-weather and will have city scarfs on soon enough.

      the media is f**king savage over there. ripping you (the UK) apart aren't they. i will be in london on tuesday and will finally get to see first hand just how fu**ed up things are
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      Reply #18: Mar 31, 2012 08:35:31 am
      i can't read stuff like this i just can't get through it. i don't need this negativity in my head, there is no point letting this "information" in you know? what good does it do us to get angrier? i mean what he says about the malaysian fans and all, it's just retarded. that's a pretty disgusting thing to imply that thousands and thousands of fans in another country in the world are all just fair-weather and will have city scarfs on soon enough.

      the media is f**king savage over there. ripping you (the UK) apart aren't they. i will be in london on tuesday and will finally get to see first hand just how fu**ed up things are
      Bascombe is a one off mate, the likes of cunty Murdoch and his rotten empire, Cameron and the other Thatcher clones and the media in general all have "danger do not approach" signs on them.
      Bascombe is born and bred Liverpool and all that implies so the warning signs are not applicable, so the guard drops. the damning aspect is nothing connected with him abandoning his roots as he has done but attempting to destroy them with poisoned opinions and lies.
      edit: Did I make any mention of personal/financial gratification?
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      Reply #19: Apr 01, 2012 08:12:06 pm
      I used to be a footy journalist. One thing I learned about crap journalists is that they love to kick an easy target when they are down. It makes for easy copy.
      Bascombe is a one off mate, the likes of cunty Murdoch and his rotten empire, Cameron and the other Thatcher clones and the media in general all have "danger do not approach" signs on them.
      Bascombe is born and bred Liverpool and all that implies so the warning signs are not applicable, so the guard drops. the damning aspect is nothing connected with him abandoning his roots as he has done but attempting to destroy them with poisoned opinions and lies.
      edit: Did I make any mention of personal/financial gratification?


      Couldnt have put it better myself gentlemen,

      Ballague is another mercenary but its OK hes Catalan.

      Oh. A Catalan?  That speaks volumes.   
      He used to frequent the restaurant El Bulli.
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      Reply #20: Apr 02, 2012 09:29:54 pm
      Nothing against you Eurored but I can't bring myself to read anything produced by that spineless fake F**k.

      His opinion means nothing to me and never will - the lad is a F***ing sell out.
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      Reply #21: Dec 08, 2012 09:40:01 am
      ;D, He claim himself to be a 'Red'??

      In what sense? Weird c**t

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