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      12th September 2012 - Independent Panel report published
      Sep 06, 2012 09:55:07 am
      Top QCs will advise Hillsborough families on historic documents release


      TWO of the country’s top lawyers have been enlisted to advise the Hillsborough families during next week’s historic files disclosure.

      Michael Mansfield QC and Lord Falconer will be present at Liverpool Cathedral next Wednesday when the Hillsborough Independent Panel publishes its report into the 1989 tragedy that took the lives of 96 football fans.

      The two top lawyers have volunteered to advise the Hillsborough Family Support Group for free on any issues arising from the report.

      It is hoped the report will finally reveal exactly what happened on the day and the full extent of any official cover-up.

      Jenni Hicks, vice-chairwoman of the Hillsborough Family Support Group who lost two teenage daughters Sarah and Vicki, said: “We have got the Rolls Royce of lawyers, and the whole team are doing it for free.

      “It’s amazing really, how can you thank people for that?”

      Mrs Hicks and HFSG chairwoman Margaret Aspinall, who lost her 18-year-old son James, went to see Mr Mansfield 18 months ago for his opinion, and he offered to help the group.

      Separately Mrs Hicks and Doreen Jones met Garston MP Maria Eagle as constituents, who put them in touch with her Labour colleague Charles Falconer QC.

      Mrs Jones lost her son Richard, 25, who died in the tragedy along with his girlfriend Tracey Cox, 23.

      Mrs Hicks said: “Maria Eagle suggested that it might be beneficial for us if we spoke to him.

      “She arranged for Charlie to come to Liverpool. We met him and then things went on from there and it was arranged for him to speak to all the families.”

      The two lawyers have agreed to work in unison for the families.

      Mrs Hicks added: “If you look at the history of Hillsborough we have been sold down the river a few times. We have got them there to advise us if there is anything in the documents that needs addressing. Legally we have got a very good legal team waiting and working for us to advise the best way forward.” She said it was the first time any lawyers had agreed to represent the families for free.

      “Previously we have only been able to have the lawyers we could afford.

      “At the inquests our lawyer said to us that we could either have the Rolls Royce, which was him, or the clapped out Mini which was his junior.

      “We had to go for the clapped out Mini.

      “This time we have got two Rolls Royces, which is amazing.”

      Mr Mansfield, who describes himself as a radical lawyer, has represented people involved in some of the most controversial legal cases in recent times.

      The QC, of Tooks Chambers in London, represented the family of Stephen Lawrence and the family of Jean Charles de Menezes shot by the Metropolitan Police in 2005 in the wake of the 7/7 bombing.

      Lord Falconer was Lord Chancellor and Constitutional Affairs Secretary in the Labour government between 2003 and 2007.

      http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-news/local-news/2012/09/06/top-qcs-will-advise-hillsborough-families-on-historic-documents-release-100252-31777414/

      It's going to be a significant day in the history of the Hillsborough Disaster. I hope with all my heart that the truth reaches all the families and everyone else affected by that fateful day.

      Good to see free representation for the families upon the release of the report next week, too.
      « Last Edit: Apr 15, 2013 08:26:25 am by JD »
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      Re: 12th September 2012 - Independant Panel report published
      Reply #1: Sep 06, 2012 10:01:43 am
      Key questions for the Hillsborough Independent Panel – from the Hillsborough Family Support Group
      Paddy Shennan presents the crucial questions bereaved families hope the Hillsborough Independent Panel will answer next week

      NEXT Wednesday, the Hillsborough Independent Panel – which was set up to secure the maximum possible disclosure of documents relating to the disaster – will publish its report.

      This will detail how the new information adds to the public’s understanding of the tragedy and its aftermath.

      Here is a summary of the key questions the Hillsborough Family Support Group asked the panel to answer after it was set up:

      Why did a venue without a safety certificate get used for such a high-profile match and why have Sheffield Wednesday not been taken to task for this lack of duty of care?

      Why were Liverpool fans given the smaller end of the ground, when they had the largest number of supporters? Liverpool Football Club had asked for this to be changed – why was their request ignored?

      Why was (Chief Superintendent David) Duckenfield in charge on the day? What were his qualifications/experience/competency? Why was (Chief Superintendent Brian) Mole not in charge, as he was in 1988 (when Liverpool also played Nottingham Forest at Hillsborough in the FA Cup semi-final)?

      Why were the controls and precautions that had been adopted in 1988 not used in 1989?

      Why was there a 10% reduction in manpower for the 1989 semi-final from the 1988 semi-final? Eighty more police officers at the Leppings Lane end could have made a significant difference, filtering fans. Approx 980 officers were used for the 1988 semi-final, 1000 for the semi-final in 1987 and 1,200 for the semi-final between Wolves and Spurs (in 1981). Please can you look into documentation which explains the reasons for this reduced manpower?

      Ref: PC 2302 Powell, Taylor Report – referring to the policing in Leppings Lane at 2.45pm – the following passage was omitted: “The first thing I said was ‘where are all the Bobbies, there is hardly anyone there’, I could not understand how such a crowd could possibly have gathered. I recall in previous games there was usually a large police presence concentrated on this part of the ground, usually forming some sort of cordon.” Could the panel comment?

      Why did the police further delay fans making their way by road to the match (ie. on the Snake and Woodhead Passes) when roadworks were already hindering their journey?

      Why was the kick-off not delayed?

      The people in pen 3 were in dire straits by 2.30pm and by 2.45pm were in serious danger of losing their lives. Why has this never been fully investigated? See camera 5.

      Should there have been two separate inquests – one for those who died inside the ground and a separate one for those outside the ground who came in when the gates were opened?

      Why did only one ambulance make it on to the pitch?

      Who stopped the ambulances from coming on to the pitch, telling them fans were fighting? The ambulances were lined up waiting to come in – who stopped them?

      What happened to the St John Ambulance team who were in attendance on the day? Have their statements and/or testimonies ever been scrutinised?

      We know a meeting took place between Mrs Thatcher, (her chief press secretary) Bernard Ingham, the Home Secretary (Douglas Hurd) and the Chief Constable of South Yorkshire, Peter Wright on April 16, 1989 – were minutes taken and are these available?

      Was this the start of the sanitation process to blame the fans for the tragedy? Ingham still publicly blames “drunken ticketless fans” for the disaster – who misled or encouraged him into thinking this?

      Why, when they already knew before they opened the gates that pen 3 was overcrowded did they not transfer people out of pen 3 into the side pens?

      Why were only 14 (victims) taken to hospital?

      Why were police statements edited?

      Why couldn’t the accounts from the police notebooks be used in the mini-inquest, or anything else for that matter?

      Jack Layden, we believe, was involved in compensation claims. He was the chairman of the South Yorkshire Police Authority and is alleged to have been a director of Municipal Mutual, the insurer of SYPA, South Yorkshire Police and Sheffield City Council, among others. If this is true was there an undeclared conflict of interest?

      Statements prove pens 3 and 4 were overfull by 2.30–2.45pm and people were probably already dying. Why was the order given to open gates and not consider the consequences to the people inside? It wasn’t just one person in the control box, everybody there had a duty of care to those attending the match.

      Taylor states Duckenfield made “a blunder of the first magnitude” by not sealing off the already full pens after opening the gates. Other officers in the control box could have told Duckenfield that he needed to close the tunnel leading to pens 3 and 4 before opening the gates. Was this the case?

      This scenario also applies to the implementation of the major accident and emergency plan: nobody in the control box set the plan in motion, although all had been trained in major accident procedures. Will the panel please investigate this in greater detail than Taylor did, especially with their greater access to relevant documentation?

      How many people were placed by the River Don, being assumed dead, and for how long were they left? Note: we have no evidence backing this point.

      The treatment the families received at the temporary mortuary on the night of April 15, 1989 requires further scrutiny: Statements were taken immediately after the families had identified their loved ones, without any legal representation. These statements were then used in inquests etc. The inference was all around alcohol.

      Coroner Dr (Stefan) Popper’s instructions were to take blood alcohol levels on all victims – why were no blood alcohol levels taken from the senior police officers and other key officials?

      Why did (Chief Constable) Peter Wright make such a speedy exit?

      Why was West Midlands Police Force requested to conduct enquiries and collect statements from witnesses (West Midlands Serious Crime Squad was disbanded in 1989 amid claims of a culture of corrupt conduct by officers).

      Why were the radial fence gates of pens 2 and 3 locked when Sheffield Wednesday were told those pens were only safe if the gates were left open? The fire service stated it was safe only if those gates remained open.

      Why was the football club or its officials never charged with neglect and/or failing in their duty of care?

      How can the panel be sure they have reviewed all the documents? How would they even know if they have been given all the documents? Will the panel be aware if there are gaps?

      Funding of Duckenfield and (Superintendent) Murray’s defence ran into many millions – this enabled South Yorkshire Police Authority/South Yorkshire Police lawyers to be able to thwart the families on many occasions at all levels of legal and civil proceedings. It went far beyond the normal employer’s responsibility to its employees – should taxpayers’ money have been used in this way?

      Why were Duckenfield and Murray allowed to retire on enhanced “ill-health” pensions (and thereby avoid discipline/potential loss of pension) as soon as the Police Complaints Authority instructed SYP to initiate disciplinary proceedings, when they (SYP) had failed to do so?

      What can be done/said about “lies” in police statements (eg. victim’s name was made available to the panel on the request of the family) – where police statement said he was vomiting beer, yet there was no alcohol in his blood alcohol sample?

      Why were police notes from the day not admissible as evidence?

      http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/2012/09/06/key-questions-for-the-hillsborough-independent-panel-from-the-hillsborough-family-support-group-100252-31777412/2/
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      Re: 12th September 2012 - Independant Panel report published
      Reply #2: Sep 06, 2012 11:37:46 am
      Six days away, then.

      Nothing can be done to relieve the grief or loss the families have gone through.

      I just hope now that the questions listed above will be answered in the fullest and most honest way, so that at least a complete understanding of the events that day can be made known.
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      Re: 12th September 2012 - Independant Panel report published
      Reply #3: Sep 06, 2012 04:36:39 pm
      A long, long, time coming. I hope this is the beginning of 'closure' for the bereaved and the beginning to the end of lies.

      Justice for the 96. 
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      Re: 12th September 2012 - Independant Panel report published
      Reply #4: Sep 06, 2012 04:55:16 pm
      Very long time coming indeed. Nice to hear the QCs will be helping the families to understand what is finally released. Hopefully we all know the complete truth one way or the other.
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      Re: 12th September 2012 - Independant Panel report published
      Reply #5: Sep 06, 2012 05:05:01 pm
      I can only agree with the sentiments posted above. This is a real breakthrough and having two real legal heavyweights on board will be a huge help.
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      Reply #6: Sep 06, 2012 05:34:01 pm
      6 days and hopefully all of the above questions will be answered honestly and the rats chased from the sewer.
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      Re: 12th September 2012 - Independant Panel report published
      Reply #7: Sep 06, 2012 06:38:45 pm
      Six days away, then.

      Nothing can be done to relieve the grief or loss the families have gone through.

      I just hope now that the questions listed above will be answered in the fullest and most honest way, so that at least a complete understanding of the events that day can be made known.

      Hear hear ayrton.  I really hope this is the case.  Going to be a long 6 days.

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      Re: 12th September 2012 - Independant Panel report published
      Reply #8: Sep 06, 2012 08:06:20 pm
      I will be very interested to see how the two documentaries are portrayed next week. Before I see them, I will make no assumptions as to how far or not the British Media has come over the past 20+ years.
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      Re: 12th September 2012 - Independant Panel report published
      Reply #9: Sep 06, 2012 08:21:57 pm
      Key questions for the Hillsborough Independent Panel – from the Hillsborough Family Support Group
      Paddy Shennan presents the crucial questions bereaved families hope the Hillsborough Independent Panel will answer next week

      NEXT Wednesday, the Hillsborough Independent Panel – which was set up to secure the maximum possible disclosure of documents relating to the disaster – will publish its report.

      This will detail how the new information adds to the public’s understanding of the tragedy and its aftermath.

      Here is a summary of the key questions the Hillsborough Family Support Group asked the panel to answer after it was set up:

      Why did a venue without a safety certificate get used for such a high-profile match and why have Sheffield Wednesday not been taken to task for this lack of duty of care?

      Why were Liverpool fans given the smaller end of the ground, when they had the largest number of supporters? Liverpool Football Club had asked for this to be changed – why was their request ignored?

      Why was (Chief Superintendent David) Duckenfield in charge on the day? What were his qualifications/experience/competency? Why was (Chief Superintendent Brian) Mole not in charge, as he was in 1988 (when Liverpool also played Nottingham Forest at Hillsborough in the FA Cup semi-final)?

      Why were the controls and precautions that had been adopted in 1988 not used in 1989?

      Why was there a 10% reduction in manpower for the 1989 semi-final from the 1988 semi-final? Eighty more police officers at the Leppings Lane end could have made a significant difference, filtering fans. Approx 980 officers were used for the 1988 semi-final, 1000 for the semi-final in 1987 and 1,200 for the semi-final between Wolves and Spurs (in 1981). Please can you look into documentation which explains the reasons for this reduced manpower?

      Ref: PC 2302 Powell, Taylor Report – referring to the policing in Leppings Lane at 2.45pm – the following passage was omitted: “The first thing I said was ‘where are all the Bobbies, there is hardly anyone there’, I could not understand how such a crowd could possibly have gathered. I recall in previous games there was usually a large police presence concentrated on this part of the ground, usually forming some sort of cordon.” Could the panel comment?

      Why did the police further delay fans making their way by road to the match (ie. on the Snake and Woodhead Passes) when roadworks were already hindering their journey?

      Why was the kick-off not delayed?

      The people in pen 3 were in dire straits by 2.30pm and by 2.45pm were in serious danger of losing their lives. Why has this never been fully investigated? See camera 5.

      Should there have been two separate inquests – one for those who died inside the ground and a separate one for those outside the ground who came in when the gates were opened?

      Why did only one ambulance make it on to the pitch?

      Who stopped the ambulances from coming on to the pitch, telling them fans were fighting? The ambulances were lined up waiting to come in – who stopped them?

      What happened to the St John Ambulance team who were in attendance on the day? Have their statements and/or testimonies ever been scrutinised?

      We know a meeting took place between Mrs Thatcher, (her chief press secretary) Bernard Ingham, the Home Secretary (Douglas Hurd) and the Chief Constable of South Yorkshire, Peter Wright on April 16, 1989 – were minutes taken and are these available?

      Was this the start of the sanitation process to blame the fans for the tragedy? Ingham still publicly blames “drunken ticketless fans” for the disaster – who misled or encouraged him into thinking this?

      Why, when they already knew before they opened the gates that pen 3 was overcrowded did they not transfer people out of pen 3 into the side pens?

      Why were only 14 (victims) taken to hospital?

      Why were police statements edited?

      Why couldn’t the accounts from the police notebooks be used in the mini-inquest, or anything else for that matter?

      Jack Layden, we believe, was involved in compensation claims. He was the chairman of the South Yorkshire Police Authority and is alleged to have been a director of Municipal Mutual, the insurer of SYPA, South Yorkshire Police and Sheffield City Council, among others. If this is true was there an undeclared conflict of interest?

      Statements prove pens 3 and 4 were overfull by 2.30–2.45pm and people were probably already dying. Why was the order given to open gates and not consider the consequences to the people inside? It wasn’t just one person in the control box, everybody there had a duty of care to those attending the match.

      Taylor states Duckenfield made “a blunder of the first magnitude” by not sealing off the already full pens after opening the gates. Other officers in the control box could have told Duckenfield that he needed to close the tunnel leading to pens 3 and 4 before opening the gates. Was this the case?

      This scenario also applies to the implementation of the major accident and emergency plan: nobody in the control box set the plan in motion, although all had been trained in major accident procedures. Will the panel please investigate this in greater detail than Taylor did, especially with their greater access to relevant documentation?

      How many people were placed by the River Don, being assumed dead, and for how long were they left? Note: we have no evidence backing this point.

      The treatment the families received at the temporary mortuary on the night of April 15, 1989 requires further scrutiny: Statements were taken immediately after the families had identified their loved ones, without any legal representation. These statements were then used in inquests etc. The inference was all around alcohol.

      Coroner Dr (Stefan) Popper’s instructions were to take blood alcohol levels on all victims – why were no blood alcohol levels taken from the senior police officers and other key officials?

      Why did (Chief Constable) Peter Wright make such a speedy exit?

      Why was West Midlands Police Force requested to conduct enquiries and collect statements from witnesses (West Midlands Serious Crime Squad was disbanded in 1989 amid claims of a culture of corrupt conduct by officers).

      Why were the radial fence gates of pens 2 and 3 locked when Sheffield Wednesday were told those pens were only safe if the gates were left open? The fire service stated it was safe only if those gates remained open.

      Why was the football club or its officials never charged with neglect and/or failing in their duty of care?

      How can the panel be sure they have reviewed all the documents? How would they even know if they have been given all the documents? Will the panel be aware if there are gaps?

      Funding of Duckenfield and (Superintendent) Murray’s defence ran into many millions – this enabled South Yorkshire Police Authority/South Yorkshire Police lawyers to be able to thwart the families on many occasions at all levels of legal and civil proceedings. It went far beyond the normal employer’s responsibility to its employees – should taxpayers’ money have been used in this way?

      Why were Duckenfield and Murray allowed to retire on enhanced “ill-health” pensions (and thereby avoid discipline/potential loss of pension) as soon as the Police Complaints Authority instructed SYP to initiate disciplinary proceedings, when they (SYP) had failed to do so?

      What can be done/said about “lies” in police statements (eg. victim’s name was made available to the panel on the request of the family) – where police statement said he was vomiting beer, yet there was no alcohol in his blood alcohol sample?

      Why were police notes from the day not admissible as evidence?

      http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/2012/09/06/key-questions-for-the-hillsborough-independent-panel-from-the-hillsborough-family-support-group-100252-31777412/2/

      Dreadful, Total lack of duty of care. I just can not believe what I have read.
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      Re: 12th September 2012 - Independant Panel report published
      Reply #10: Sep 07, 2012 08:06:28 am
      While we have a clone of the witch Thatcher in government the quest for the truth will be an uphill struggle.
      The truth will naturally prevail of course as sure as night follows day.

      bbc news             

      Journalist' Hillsborough Regret

      The S** journalist who wrote a story alleging drunk Liverpool fans abused victime and police during the Hillsborough disaster said he was ''aghast'' when he saw the headline.
      Reporter Harry Arnold told the BBC is story had been told in a ''fair and balanced way'' and the controversial claims had been unproven ''allegations.''
      He said it was editor Kelvin Mackenzie who wrote the headline ''the truth''.
      Official papers will be released on Wednesday 23 years after the disaster.

      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-19507065


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      Reply #11: Sep 07, 2012 09:11:19 am
      Time to see Thatcher and her Government for what they were....lying scumbags!!!


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      Re: 12th September 2012 - Independant Panel report published
      Reply #12: Sep 07, 2012 09:51:18 am
      While we have a clone of the witch Thatcher in government the quest for the truth will be an uphill struggle.
      The truth will naturally prevail of course as sure as night follows day.

      bbc news             

      Journalist' Hillsborough Regret

      The S** journalist who wrote a story alleging drunk Liverpool fans abused victime and police during the Hillsborough disaster said he was ''aghast'' when he saw the headline.
      Reporter Harry Arnold told the BBC is story had been told in a ''fair and balanced way'' and the controversial claims had been unproven ''allegations.''
      He said it was editor Kelvin Mackenzie who wrote the headline ''the truth''.
      Official papers will be released on Wednesday 23 years after the disaster.

      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-19507065


      Just finished reading this article myself, and it is made absolutely clear that the scumbag mackenzie had his own agenda which he has stuck to throughout the years.

      I would like to write more, but it would defile this forum and the memory of the 96 to put this arch bas**rds name on here any more than is necessary.

      Just like the rag he worked for, I would like to suggest using some other form of address for that piece of sh*t "editor" if only so his name gets no search hits from this site.

      It has been very clear to LFC supporters and decent supporters of many other clubs for years that the liar knew exactly what he was doing, and he has never shown a single iota of remorse.
      The liar needs to be brought to justice along with others, because he is guilty of defamation and now it appears he actually re-wrote the "story" to further his own agenda.

      I'm going to stop there, because I am literally shaking with anger as I write this. I've tried to hold back, and I fear that if I continue I may say something I regret.

      As Stuey stated, The REAL TRUTH will prevail.
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      Re: 12th September 2012 - Independant Panel report published
      Reply #13: Sep 07, 2012 03:31:01 pm
      AN OPEN LETTER TO MR DAVID DUCKENFIELD; FORMERLY OF SOUTH YORKSHIRE POLICE.

      If you know David Duckenfield, I would be very grateful if you could get a copy of this open letter to him.

      I write more in hope than expectation, but I know that if I had been in charge when 96 people were fatally crushed to death, and I had then lied about it, I might want to at least try and put the record straight.

      Thank you for your time.


      AN OPEN LETTER TO MR DAVID DUCKENFIELD

      Dear Mr Duckenfield,

      My name is Mike Nicholson, and I am currently making a documentary about the human disaster which happened on the 15th April 1989, at the Hillsborough stadium in Sheffield. I am an individual, and not working with, or for any larger media organisation. I’m just one man.

      As you know you were the match commander that day and as detailed in the Taylor Report, you have admitted to lying about Liverpool fans breaking down a gate to force entry. Lord Justice Taylor called it ‘a disgraceful lie’ in the report, which I am sure you can have no complaints about. The real truth, as you later admitted, is that you gave the order to open the exit gate in order to relieve the dangerous crush that was building outside the Leppings Lane turnstiles.

      While it was commendable that you owned up to your falsehood eventually, I am afraid that the damage to the dead, injured and survivor’s reputations had already been done. Headlines and news bulletins the world over repeated your lie, and many people still walk around under the misapprehension that was given to them by the lie you told that day.

      I write this open letter to you more in hope than expectation I must admit, but I wondered if you might welcome this opportunity to finally apologise for all the hurt and anger you have caused? As I said I am just one man, and I would be willing to meet you one on one, anywhere and in private and in secret with just one camera and a microphone if you were willing to do so?

      If you do not feel willing or able to meet me, then as a secondary request, could I ask that you write your thoughts and feelings down, and either post them on this blog post, or email them to me at mike_nicholson@hotmail.co.uk instead?

      The families of the victims that day have had a 22 year fight to not only get the official record set straight, but also to clear their loved-ones reputations to people who read the headlines in April 1989, and made their mind up on the spot. You caused that, and you can help to put it right, albeit 22 years later.

      I wait with hope in my heart.

      Regards,

      Mike Nicholson

      http://thehillsboroughdisasterdocumentary.com/2011/11/19/an-open-letter-to-mr-david-duckenfield-formerly-of-south-yorkshire-police/
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      Re: 12th September 2012 - Independant Panel report published
      Reply #14: Sep 07, 2012 07:07:04 pm
      Hillsborough families call for official apology from David Cameron
      Report published next week is expected to reveal widespread failures by South Yorkshire police over 1989 disaster

      David Conn
      guardian.co.uk, Friday 7 September 2012 18.00 BST

      David Cameron is being urged to issue a public apology to the families of the 96 people who died in the Hillsborough football stadium disaster as an independent report, to be published on Wednesday, is expected to expose widespread failures by South Yorkshire police and other public bodies.

      The families, who have protested for years at the way legal processes were conducted after the disaster, expect the report to show conclusively that police refused to accept responsibility for the disaster and instead falsely claimed drunk and ticketless supporters were to blame.

      The inquest into the deaths of Liverpool fans at the Sheffield ground imposed a cut-off of 3.15pm on the day of the disaster – 15 April 1989 – beyond which no evidence was taken. As a result, the response of the emergency services to the unfolding disaster has not been publicly examined until now. The families believe the emergency operation was chaotic and inadequate, as South Yorkshire police have subsequently admitted, and they expect the report to document this for the first time.

      Margaret Aspinall, chair of the Hillsborough Family Support Group, said the families, survivors of the disaster, Liverpool football supporters and the wider Liverpool public should receive an apology from the prime minister for the years of false accusations which she argued amounted to a coverup. Cameron's apology in 2010 for the security services' and other official failures exposed by the Saville report into the Bloody Sunday violence in Derry in 1972 was profoundly significant to the victims' families, and Aspinall sees that as a model for the response to the Hillsborough report.

      "We will accept nothing short of a full apology from the prime minister for the suffering and heartache the families have been put through for 23 years," said Aspinall, whose son, James, then 18, died at the FA Cup semi-final between Liverpool and Nottingham Forest.

      "We lost our loved ones because of negligence by the police and others, but they refused to accept responsibility and instead tried to cover up and blame the supporters themselves. For all these years the families have been fighting, together with survivors and others who have stood with us, and finally we expect the truth to come out with this report."

      After the 20th anniversary of the disaster, in 2009, the then Labour ministers Andy Burnham and Maria Eagle called for all documents relating to Hillsborough to be published.

      An independent panel of experts was appointed, chaired by James Jones, the bishop of Liverpool, to produce a report explaining what the full disclosure added to public understanding of the disaster.

      The panel has examined more than 450,000 internal documents held by the police, the ambulance service, Sheffield Wednesday football club, the coroner's office and other bodies, which will be available online with the report on Wednesday.

      The families have protested for years against the legal processes following the disaster, which produced an inquest verdict of accidental death, and no sanctions against any individual or body.

      Accusations by the police that the disaster was caused by drunk and ticketless supporters were widely carried in the media at the time, most notably in the Sun, and were presented as the police's official case to the public inquiry and inquest.

      The families expect Wednesday's report by the Hillsborough Independent Panel to dispel those claims conclusively, and show in detail that South Yorkshire police mounted a deliberate operation after the disaster to blame the fans.

      Burnham and Eagle, now shadow ministers, and two other Merseyside MPs, Steve Rotheram and Derek Twigg, have joined Aspinall in arguing that if the report vindicates the families' case, David Cameron should make a formal apology.

      "We were all impressed with the way David Cameron brought reconciliation to the people of Derry through his handing of the Bloody Sunday report when it was delivered," Burnham said. "We now call on him to show the same leadership for Liverpool, and help heal the deep wounds of Hillsborough."

      Cameron is expected to make a statement in the House of Commons on Wednesday in response to the report's publication, but Downing Street has not yet said what form that will take.

      Lord Justice Taylor's official report into Hillsborough in 1990 found that police mismanagement was the prime cause of the disaster, together with deficiencies by the host club, Sheffield Wednesday, and failures by Sheffield city council, which was responsible for certifying the ground's safety. All three paid damages to the families to settle a civil action for negligence, yet the police repeated to the subsequent inquest their case that drunken fans had caused the disaster. The 3.15pm cut-off meant not only that no evidence was heard about the emergency response, but also that the families have never found out how each individual victim actually died.

      Aspinall said the family support group would push for a new inquest into the deaths after Wednesday's report. She was adamant in wanting the verdict of accidental death to be replaced with that of unlawful killing, and said she had never picked up the death certificate issued for her son.

      The attorney general, Dominic Grieve, has already received an application for a new inquest from Anne Williams, whose then 15-year-old son, Kevin, died at Hillsborough. Grieve has said he will decide whether to grant a new inquest after the panel publishes its report.

      http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/sep/07/hillsborough-families-apology-david-cameron?CMP=twt_gu
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      Reply #15: Sep 08, 2012 12:13:05 am
      What else can Cameron do but apologise for not only the conduct of the Yorkshire police but also the F***ing witch Thatcher, I look forward to the truth and the sight of Cameron squirming as he is forced into a complete u-turn on Thatchers lies.
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      Reply #16: Sep 08, 2012 12:39:04 am
      Hopefully, with these BBC and ITV documentaries, it creates the attention needed for Cameron to offer a full apology. I'm not sure of he would bother if this was kept low profile by the media, seeing as he and his Tory chums are media whores to the likes of that pr**k Murdoch. If not, he will just prove himself to be same-old elitist w**ker of the upper class. What's more, I'm pissed off at the lack of support from the Lib Dems and Labour for not pressing for this over 20 YEARS AGO. Personally, I would love to see the likes of Duckenfield and McKenzie prosecuted over this.

      God bless Andy Burnham though, the only high profile Labour politician from the Blair/Brown era to fully back this.
      Frankly, Mr Shankly
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      Reply #17: Sep 08, 2012 12:43:22 am
      What else can Cameron do but apologise for not only the conduct of the Yorkshire police but also the f**king witch Thatcher, I look forward to the truth and the sight of Cameron squirming as he is forced into a complete u-turn on Thatchers lies.

      If Blair and Brown didn't do it I wouldn't raise my hopes for a Cameron apology. If he did I would totally respect him in the same way he did with the Bloody Sunday apology but it'd be small fry compared to the apologies and justice that have still to be resolved.

      And the fact that the Hillsborough documentary on the BBC will only be shown in the North West and Yorkshire proves to me that the BBC are a part of the problem as well. They still provide that c**t MacKenzie a platfrom to air his poisonous and filthy views on shows such as Question Time.
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      Reply #18: Sep 08, 2012 08:02:39 am
      The fight for justice has moved on as it only can while the lies prove unsustainable, the establishment has to bow to the inevitable.
      Cameron will be forced to concede to the truth - he has very little choice in the matter.

      Publication of the independant report on the disaster is widely covered in the papers:-
      The Independant says what happened that afternoon in April 1989 remains an open wound for the people of Liverpool, but answers might now start to emerge.
      The Guardian expects the report to expose failures by the South Yorkshire police and other public bodies.
      The Daily Mirror urges David Cameron to apologise to the families of the victims for what it calls an ''official cover-up''.

      Progress indeed if all goes to plan and while the right wing rags continue to put forward scapegoats the Mirror implies an ''official cover-up'' involving of course the Home Office and ultimately the F***ing witch Thatcher.
      Cameron is aware the scapegoats have all but evaporated and will avoid all talk of governmental dumbing down, official cover-ups or anything that might prove embarrassing to him or the Tory demi-God that is Thatcher.
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      Reply #19: Sep 08, 2012 08:29:22 am

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      It is reported that two top lawers will give free advice to the families of the 96 following the release of further information on 12th September.
      Michael Mansfield QC and former Lord Chancellor Lord Falconer will advise on issues arising from the police and governmental documents.
      Mr Mansfield said: ''The families believe, quite rightly that they haven't had justice.''
      He and Lord Falconer will meet with the families in Liverpool.


      Excellent piece of news, some judicial weight behind the families and their quest for the truth.
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      Reply #20: Sep 08, 2012 10:42:39 am
      If Blair and Brown didn't do it I wouldn't raise my hopes for a Cameron apology. If he did I would totally respect him in the same way he did with the Bloody Sunday apology but it'd be small fry compared to the apologies and justice that have still to be resolved.

      And the fact that the Hillsborough documentary on the BBC will only be shown in the North West and Yorkshire proves to me that the BBC are a part of the problem as well. They still provide that c**t MacKenzie a platfrom to air his poisonous and filthy views on shows such as Question Time.

      Just my point of view, an apology would be empty, whether it had been Brown & Blair or Cameron and his puppets.  The people involved though, yes, they should apologise.  The Truth will suffice after all the lies and justice should swiftly follow.
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      Reply #21: Sep 08, 2012 05:31:47 pm
      Just my point of view, an apology would be empty, whether it had been Brown & Blair or Cameron and his puppets.  The people involved though, yes, they should apologise.  The Truth will suffice after all the lies and justice should swiftly follow.
      An apology from the puppets is the last hurdle and a requirement to open the floodgates of fact that have been steadfastly locked by previous puppets.
      It is not an attack of conscience, a sudden urge to 'do the christian thing' but a realisation that the game is up.
      Lord Falconer and Michael Mansfield QC have offered their services to the families of the 96 to ensure that the game for the liars and deceivers of the last 23 years is well and truly up.
      Frankly, Mr Shankly
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      Reply #22: Sep 08, 2012 07:14:52 pm
      The fight for justice has moved on as it only can while the lies prove unsustainable, the establishment has to bow to the inevitable.
      Cameron will be forced to concede to the truth - he has very little choice in the matter.

      Publication of the independant report on the disaster is widely covered in the papers:-
      The Independant says what happened that afternoon in April 1989 remains an open wound for the people of Liverpool, but answers might now start to emerge.
      The Guardian expects the report to expose failures by the South Yorkshire police and other public bodies.
      The Daily Mirror urges David Cameron to apologise to the families of the victims for what it calls an ''official cover-up''.

      Progress indeed if all goes to plan and while the right wing rags continue to put forward scapegoats the Mirror implies an ''official cover-up'' involving of course the Home Office and ultimately the f**king witch Thatcher.
      Cameron is aware the scapegoats have all but evaporated and will avoid all talk of governmental dumbing down, official cover-ups or anything that might prove embarrassing to him or the Tory demi-God that is Thatcher.

      Why should this prove embarrassing to David Cameron? Just because he's a Tory prime minister and admirer of Thatcher's doesn't make this a political debate to be used against this person or that party. Bar a handful of individuals the establishment for the last 20+ years has continued to cover up, let down and smear the victims and their families regardless of who was heading it.

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