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      Re: "We Need To Talk About Gerrard."
      Reply #1633: Nov 27, 2014 09:25:04 am
      Maybe he's one part of the bigger problem



      The four defenders and the migs are a far bigger problem than Stevie  and yet he is getting hammered  we cant defend against any fckin team and its been like that since a certain BR  took the reins and ousted baldy and put that fckwit Migs in goal but hey ho suppose thats Stevies fault as well. Makes me wanna fcjin puke.
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      Reply #1634: Nov 27, 2014 03:07:14 pm
      The four defenders and the migs are a far bigger problem than Stevie  and yet he is getting hammered

      The back four has seen a bit of rotation at times though to try and fix it.  Two players who haven't succumbed to this have been the keeper and the captain.

      I wouldn't say he's getting hammered I just think people realise he isn't a 90 minute player 3 times a week anymore.  When I say people I obviously don't include the LFC coaching team.

      I think he could do something for us coming on in games, playing further forward.  If this is his last season I'd rather see 30 minutes of a bit of drive than 90 minutes of steady.  The problem is 30 minutes a game won't look good for prospective employers of Steven Gerrard.
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      Reply #1635: Nov 27, 2014 05:01:36 pm
      The back four has seen a bit of rotation at times though to try and fix it.  Two players who haven't succumbed to this have been the keeper and the captain.

      I wouldn't say he's getting hammered I just think people realise he isn't a 90 minute player 3 times a week anymore.  When I say people I obviously don't include the LFC coaching team.

      I think he could do something for us coming on in games, playing further forward.  If this is his last season I'd rather see 30 minutes of a bit of drive than 90 minutes of steady.  The problem is 30 minutes a game won't look good for prospective employers of Steven Gerrard.

      To be fair Lampard was phased out at Chelsea over his last two years and he still got a mega payday in the US and a nice little loan spell at the champions before that.

      Do agree that Gerrard needs to play less, should have definitely come off after 60 minutes last night. Did think that him playing further forward improved us though, we looked a lot calmer on the ball and Sterling and Lambert were more involved than in recent weeks. Maybe if we'd had another attacking option rather than Allen we would have seen more from Gerrard last night.
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      Reply #1636: Nov 27, 2014 06:07:24 pm
      55 pages in, and after last night, SG, his position, whether he should start - I'm up for talking :)
      SG is by no means the only player we need to talk about - but given his current form, massive fan that I am, for the benefit of the team, I would consider playing Allen/Hendo/Can in the middle/defensive role, with picks from Sterling/Coutinho/Lallana in front, then probably Rickie.
      Don't think Lucas was great last night either, thought Ludo had plenty of the ball in front of the back four, and he gave away far too many free kicks as is his wont from which we would be punished through set-peices/shots on goal by a decent side.
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      Reply #1637: Nov 27, 2014 07:22:38 pm
      The back four has seen a bit of rotation at times though to try and fix it.  Two players who haven't succumbed to this have been the keeper and the captain.

      I wouldn't say he's getting hammered I just think people realise he isn't a 90 minute player 3 times a week anymore.  When I say people I obviously don't include the LFC coaching team.

      I think he could do something for us coming on in games, playing further forward.  If this is his last season I'd rather see 30 minutes of a bit of drive than 90 minutes of steady.  The problem is 30 minutes a game won't look good for prospective employers of Steven Gerrard.
      Id go with thst JD  been saying to friends for a while I would rather see him up field for 30 than back where he is seemingly going through the motions , I do feel though we have fsr bigger problems than Stevie .
       
      As for the back four well they are being rotated for the very reason none are stepping up to the mark, a settled and coherent back four will always make the team more confident, I dont think at the moment we have a single defender who merits the red shirt on his back include Migs in that as well .
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      Re: "We Need To Talk About Gerrard."
      Reply #1638: Nov 27, 2014 08:36:33 pm

      Steven Gerrard is a victim of Liverpool’s squad more than he is his own age


      By Seb Stafford-Bloor

      Posted on November 25, 2014

      We’re really, really fond of scapegoating in English football.

      It’s easy to understand why: blaming a single player for a team’s ailments is the quickest and easiest way of explaining poor form.  If you attribute everything that is going wrong to just one individual, then you’re spared the hardship of a more complex explanation.

      Brendan Rodgers’ job is very much secure according to Liverpool Echo journalist James Pearce

      Liverpool are in a troubling condition at the moment.  The side and their manager are caught in a perfect storm of dissipating confidence, ill-fitting components and injuries, for which there is no instant remedy.

      Don’t let anybody hear you say that, though.

      In the beginning, there was Mario Balotelli.  From a critics’ perspective, the Italian arrived at Anfield at exactly the right moment.  His arrival coincided with the beginning of the current slump, therefore the accepted logic was that he was to blame for it.  It was very neat and very tidy.  He was a gift to the lazy.

      Balotelli allowed us to ignore all kinds of problems at Liverpool.  He is such a polarising figure and it is so easy to pick flaws in his game, that the temptation was to cast him as a footballing Chernobyl: here he was with his apathy and his indifference, infecting all of those around him.

      Certainly, the Italian is as stylistically different to either Luis Suarez and Daniel Sturridge as it is possible to find and his inclusion in the side did create something of a tactical ellipsis, but he was characterised as the villain too quickly and too eagerly.

      He doesn’t run.  He doesn’t work hard enough.  He doesn’t care.

      He’s the problem.

      Balotelli

      It’s not a coincidence that in the period following Balotelli’s removal from the first-team, the critique of Steven Gerrard has intensified.  From his age and declining capabilities being a mild concern two months ago, now his frailty has become a glaringly obvious concern that apparently only a fool could overlook.

      All of a sudden, the problem is Gerrard.  Remove him from the side and the clouds over Anfield will vanish.

      Sound familiar?  Again, it’s simplification.

      Rather than stripping Gerrard of his on-field captaincy, shunting him into a coaching role, and imploring Brendan Rodgers to have that ‘difficult conversation’ with a Merseyside deity, maybe this situation requires cooler heads?

      Steven Gerrard is not a defensive-midfielder, he never has been.  The faults that are being laid at his door now are those that he has always possessed.  He is a proactive player rather than a reactive one and his value has always been in what he does with the ball rather than without it.  When he was younger, he may very well have been a more regular ball-winner and he may also have been more reliable at tracking opponents’ attacking runs – shortcomings which are both now highlighted on a weekly basis – but neither were ever his raison d’etre in the Liverpool side.

      Gerrard doesn’t need to be dropped and neither does he need to be ushered into retirement, he needs to be accommodated better.

      His lifespan at Anfield is probably short.  He’ll almost certainly sign a contract extension before too long, but he will likely play for another eighteen months at most.  In that time, he will retain an obvious value – but only if he’s used correctly.

      Gerrard’s ability to pass the ball is unmatched at Liverpool.  Neither Jordan Henderson, Lucas Leiva, Emre Can nor Joe Allen have an equivalently diverse distribution range and, as such, the side would be worse off if Gerrard was marginalised.

      Unfortunately, Brendan Rodgers lacks a really strong defensive-midfield and, hence, is without the ability to compensate for Gerrard’s deficiencies in his current role.  The former England captain isn’t hopeless without the ball, but he does need to be partnered with a specialist – a destroyer, someone whose only role is to shield a defence and retrieve possession.

      If that player existed at Anfield, Liverpool would have the security to benefit from Gerrard’s distribution and vision without it being a perilous trade-off with defensive fragility.

      Is Gerrard less influential than he was five years ago?  Of course he is, but that doesn’t mean he no longer possesses any value.  Look around the football landscape and you will find plenty of examples of aging possession-orientated players who are still performing at a very high level in the middle of the pitch – and, right next to them, you will see a facilitating teammate.

      Would Xavi Hernandez have survived as long as he has at Barcelona without Sergio Busquets?  Would Italy have still picked Andrea Pirlo at the last World Cup had Cesare Prandelli not also been able to select Daniele De Rossi?  The preservation of declining-yet-valuable players is a balancing act.



      Read more at http://www.squawka.com/news/steven-gerrard-is-a-victim-of-liverpools-squad-more-than-he-is-his-own-age/229500#oEhkmGjQUQbq7wk0.99
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      Re: "We Need To Talk About Gerrard."
      Reply #1639: Nov 27, 2014 10:06:07 pm
      Liverpool are in a troubling condition at the moment.  The side and their manager are caught in a perfect storm of dissipating confidence, ill-fitting components and injuries, for which there is no instant remedy.

      Don’t let anybody hear you say that, though.

      In the beginning, there was Mario Balotelli.  From a critics’ perspective, the Italian arrived at Anfield at exactly the right moment.  His arrival coincided with the beginning of the current slump, therefore the accepted logic was that he was to blame for it.  It was very neat and very tidy.  He was a gift to the lazy.

      Balotelli allowed us to ignore all kinds of problems at Liverpool.  He is such a polarising figure and it is so easy to pick flaws in his game, that the temptation was to cast him as a footballing Chernobyl: here he was with his apathy and his indifference, infecting all of those around him.

      Certainly, the Italian is as stylistically different to either Luis Suarez and Daniel Sturridge as it is possible to find and his inclusion in the side did create something of a tactical ellipsis, but he was characterised as the villain too quickly and too eagerly.

      He doesn’t run.  He doesn’t work hard enough.  He doesn’t care.

      He’s the problem.

      Balotelli

      It’s not a coincidence that in the period following Balotelli’s removal from the first-team, the critique of Steven Gerrard has intensified.  From his age and declining capabilities being a mild concern two months ago, now his frailty has become a glaringly obvious concern that apparently only a fool could overlook.

      All of a sudden, the problem is Gerrard.  Remove him from the side and the clouds over Anfield will vanish.

      Sound familiar?  Again, it’s simplification.




      Plenty guilty of this in this place that's for sure. The article speaks a lot of sense. We have a multitude of problems but go into any match thread when things aren't going well and the ranters and ravers are pointing the finger usually in the direction of one particular player.
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      Reply #1640: Nov 27, 2014 10:11:49 pm

      Steven Gerrard is a victim of Liverpool’s squad more than he is his own age


      By Seb Stafford-Bloor

      Posted on November 25, 2014

      We’re really, really fond of scapegoating in English football.

      It’s easy to understand why: blaming a single player for a team’s ailments is the quickest and easiest way of explaining poor form.  If you attribute everything that is going wrong to just one individual, then you’re spared the hardship of a more complex explanation.

      Brendan Rodgers’ job is very much secure according to Liverpool Echo journalist James Pearce

      Liverpool are in a troubling condition at the moment.  The side and their manager are caught in a perfect storm of dissipating confidence, ill-fitting components and injuries, for which there is no instant remedy.

      Don’t let anybody hear you say that, though.

      In the beginning, there was Mario Balotelli.  From a critics’ perspective, the Italian arrived at Anfield at exactly the right moment.  His arrival coincided with the beginning of the current slump, therefore the accepted logic was that he was to blame for it.  It was very neat and very tidy.  He was a gift to the lazy.

      Balotelli allowed us to ignore all kinds of problems at Liverpool.  He is such a polarising figure and it is so easy to pick flaws in his game, that the temptation was to cast him as a footballing Chernobyl: here he was with his apathy and his indifference, infecting all of those around him.

      Certainly, the Italian is as stylistically different to either Luis Suarez and Daniel Sturridge as it is possible to find and his inclusion in the side did create something of a tactical ellipsis, but he was characterised as the villain too quickly and too eagerly.

      He doesn’t run.  He doesn’t work hard enough.  He doesn’t care.

      He’s the problem.

      Balotelli

      It’s not a coincidence that in the period following Balotelli’s removal from the first-team, the critique of Steven Gerrard has intensified.  From his age and declining capabilities being a mild concern two months ago, now his frailty has become a glaringly obvious concern that apparently only a fool could overlook.

      All of a sudden, the problem is Gerrard.  Remove him from the side and the clouds over Anfield will vanish.

      Sound familiar?  Again, it’s simplification.

      Rather than stripping Gerrard of his on-field captaincy, shunting him into a coaching role, and imploring Brendan Rodgers to have that ‘difficult conversation’ with a Merseyside deity, maybe this situation requires cooler heads?

      Steven Gerrard is not a defensive-midfielder, he never has been.  The faults that are being laid at his door now are those that he has always possessed.  He is a proactive player rather than a reactive one and his value has always been in what he does with the ball rather than without it.  When he was younger, he may very well have been a more regular ball-winner and he may also have been more reliable at tracking opponents’ attacking runs – shortcomings which are both now highlighted on a weekly basis – but neither were ever his raison d’etre in the Liverpool side.

      Gerrard doesn’t need to be dropped and neither does he need to be ushered into retirement, he needs to be accommodated better.

      His lifespan at Anfield is probably short.  He’ll almost certainly sign a contract extension before too long, but he will likely play for another eighteen months at most.  In that time, he will retain an obvious value – but only if he’s used correctly.

      Gerrard’s ability to pass the ball is unmatched at Liverpool.  Neither Jordan Henderson, Lucas Leiva, Emre Can nor Joe Allen have an equivalently diverse distribution range and, as such, the side would be worse off if Gerrard was marginalised.

      Unfortunately, Brendan Rodgers lacks a really strong defensive-midfield and, hence, is without the ability to compensate for Gerrard’s deficiencies in his current role.  The former England captain isn’t hopeless without the ball, but he does need to be partnered with a specialist – a destroyer, someone whose only role is to shield a defence and retrieve possession.

      If that player existed at Anfield, Liverpool would have the security to benefit from Gerrard’s distribution and vision without it being a perilous trade-off with defensive fragility.

      Is Gerrard less influential than he was five years ago?  Of course he is, but that doesn’t mean he no longer possesses any value.  Look around the football landscape and you will find plenty of examples of aging possession-orientated players who are still performing at a very high level in the middle of the pitch – and, right next to them, you will see a facilitating teammate.

      Would Xavi Hernandez have survived as long as he has at Barcelona without Sergio Busquets?  Would Italy have still picked Andrea Pirlo at the last World Cup had Cesare Prandelli not also been able to select Daniele De Rossi?  The preservation of declining-yet-valuable players is a balancing act.



      Read more at http://www.squawka.com/news/steven-gerrard-is-a-victim-of-liverpools-squad-more-than-he-is-his-own-age/229500#oEhkmGjQUQbq7wk0.99

      I don't think our problems are down to SG. Nor do I think he has no value, or should be ushered into retirement. Or that he doesn't have a part to play. None of that. He is still a massive player.
      But, we are not the team we were last year. He doesn't have runners to hit. We don't have teams on the back foot. He is under more pressure on the ball and he has more runners coming onto him.
      We're already (slowly) adjusting to the reality this season eg. mixing in long balls to Lambert for flick ons, which after the football of last year if like having bread and water after tasty steak and chips.
      Horses for courses.
      Might not work but imo I'd go for energy in the middle, Allen/Hendo. And possibly Can. Ahead of Lucas/SG. Would give it a try.
      With some creativity - Coutinho who is playing well. Sterling is up and down but did well last night, and Lallana 50/50, can't hold down a place.
      Up front - it's just Rickie. Mario/Studge injured. Hands aren't just tied up top.
      Fabio - is BR freezing him out for a Jan sale - I hope so. Make space for a striker. Will Mario stay? Probably. Looks like momentum building behind a keeper.
      Either way, at LEAST one striker. We've had success in the Jan window before. We need it more desperately this year.
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      Reply #1641: Nov 27, 2014 10:23:40 pm
      I don't think our problems are down to SG at all. Nor do I think he has no value, or should be ushered into retirement. Or that he doesn't have a part to play. None of that. He is still a massive player.
      But, we are not the team we were last year. He doesn't have runners to hit. We don't have teams on the back foot. He is under more pressure on the ball and he has more runners coming onto him.
      We're already (slowly) adjusting to the reality this season eg. mixing in long balls to Lambert for flick ons, which after the football of last year if like having bread and water after tasty steak and chips.
      Horses for courses.
      Might not work but imo I'd go for energy in the middle, Allen/Hendo. And possibly Can. Ahead of Lucas/SG. Would give it a try.
      With some creativity - Coutinho who is playing well. Sterling is up and down but did well last night, and Lallana 50/50, can't hold down a place.
      Up front - it's just Rickie. Mario/Studge injured. Hands aren't just tied up top.
      Fabio - is BR freezing him out for a Jan sale - I hope so. Make space for a striker. Will Mario stay? Probably. Looks like momentum building behind a keeper.
      Either way, at LEAST one striker. We've had success in the Jan window before. We need it more desperately this year.

      I thought the return of Henderson made a big difference yesterday (especially in the first half). He gives us much more energy in midfield, but we need more than him running about unfortunately.

      We could do with a Masch or Pogba , but not much chance of that. I just don't see our midfield dominating games with or without Gerrard.

      Last season we just had to get the ball forward as quickly as possible and leave the rest to SAS, this season our midfield is having to work to create chances and the lack of an real energy is showing time after time. 
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      Reply #1642: Nov 27, 2014 10:30:00 pm
      I thought the return of Henderson made a big difference yesterday (especially in the first half). He gives us much more energy in midfield, but we need more than him running about unfortunately.


      Yea, me too, and imo he is more than lungs on legs, and he showed again last night he can make runs into the box, and finish well.
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      Reply #1643: Nov 27, 2014 10:35:16 pm
      Yea, me too, and imo he is more than lungs on legs, and he showed again last night he can make runs into the box, and finish well.

      His finishing is my big question mark about Henderson. When he has little time he seems to finish well, when he has more time he tends to balls it up. Maybe a confidence thing? He does make some great runs though.
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      Reply #1644: Nov 28, 2014 09:19:46 am
      if he cant play at the tip (no 10 role) then for me he dont play. i know he's the  backbone of the club but as a DCM he's wasted. he's not a Pirlo or Alonso type player hes a explosive player and having him in and around the box with Hendo and Can just sitting behind him will work. you can then Rotate Gerrard for Lallana or coutinho meaning our two CM players in Can, Hendo click and learn to play together. throw Allen in the mix to come in and compete for a place in that role andwe are set.
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      Reply #1645: Nov 28, 2014 09:23:44 am
      if he cant play at the tip (no 10 role) then for me he dont play. i know he's the  backbone of the club but as a DCM he's wasted. he's not a Pirlo or Alonso type player hes a explosive player and having him in and around the box with Hendo and Can just sitting behind him will work. you can then Rotate Gerrard for Lallana or coutinho meaning our two CM players in Can, Hendo click and learn to play together. throw Allen in the mix to come in and compete for a place in that role andwe are set.

      Question would be is he better than Lallana or Coutinho to start ahead of them in that number 10 role?

      Not for me.

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      Reply #1646: Nov 28, 2014 09:29:24 am
      Question would be is he better than Lallana or Coutinho to start ahead of them in that number 10 role?

      Not for me.
      agree mate, BR needs to man up and start picking the players he's bought and not old faveourites, Gerrard is class and will always offer something but he's no longer carrying us, yes if there is a pen to be had under pressure  he's your man of if we are behind and need to be picked up  he's your man. so why cant he be on the bench a bit and come on for last 30min or at least be subbed when we are down for a more "mobile player""
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      Reply #1647: Nov 28, 2014 09:37:56 am
      The problem with all these plans is that Stevie is unlikely to accept relegation to the bench with the occasional 30 minute burst at the end of a game.

      He will either descend into a massive sulk or leave the club - either of which would be disastrous to morale should results fail to pick up.
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      Reply #1648: Nov 28, 2014 09:40:50 am
      The problem with all these plans is that Stevie is unlikely to accept relegation to the bench with the occasional 30 minute burst at the end of a game.

      He will either descend into a massive sulk or leave the club - either of which would be disastrous to morale should results fail to pick up.
      ture but we all know SG has at best one more season with liverpool before he's done, he's not the set piece master he once was but can still score when he's played further forward. we should at least stat subbing him instead of taking off CAN/Allen/  and start taking him off so that we get a good solid 60min of him being explosive.
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      Reply #1649: Nov 28, 2014 09:42:12 am
      The problem with all these plans is that Stevie is unlikely to accept relegation to the bench with the occasional 30 minute burst at the end of a game.

      He will either descend into a massive sulk or leave the club - either of which would be disastrous to morale should results fail to pick up.

      So what's the solution the continued shoehorning of a player who at 34 should be playing less games but instead seems undroppable.

      Fat Frank plays the odd full game and has cameo sub appearances and guess what he looks more fitter and agile than Gerrard.

      What is the long term planning, he carries on until 50!
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      Reply #1650: Nov 28, 2014 09:48:43 am
      So what's the solution the continued shoehorning of a player who at 34 should be playing less games but instead seems undroppable.

      Fat Frank plays the odd full game and has cameo sub appearances and guess what he looks more fitter and agile than Gerrard.

      What is the long term planning, he carries on until 50!
      agree mate i think we all think with our hearts and not brains when we took about the legend that is Stevie G look at how Chelsea treated Lampard no emotion just business, he wasnt the best option for their team so they dropped him. we can do that with Gerrard at least try it v stoke drop him and pick a more youthfull energetic team and if he dont like it then tough. he must know he's not the player he once was and that his time is coming to an end. next season will probaly be his last as its shown that he's not a holding midfielder and unfortunatly for him the other postition he's used to requires energy for 90min
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      Re: "We Need To Talk About Gerrard."
      Reply #1651: Nov 28, 2014 10:07:04 am
      The problem with all these plans is that Stevie is unlikely to accept relegation to the bench with the occasional 30 minute burst at the end of a game.

      He will either descend into a massive sulk or leave the club - either of which would be disastrous to morale should results fail to pick up.
      so the team selection should be based on whether you want to upset people or not ?, he still has a big role to play but as the problem was the other night apart from Sterling after 60 minutes or so both Stevie and Lambert ran out of steam.

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      Reply #1652: Nov 28, 2014 10:07:51 am
      So what's the solution the continued shoehorning of a player who at 34 should be playing less games but instead seems undroppable.

      Fat Frank plays the odd full game and has cameo sub appearances and guess what he looks more fitter and agile than Gerrard.

      What is the long term planning, he carries on until 50!

      The solution has to be to move him out of the team no doubt about that; having him in that position only worls when the forwards are providing the right pressing and movement for him.

      Last year he did well in his role - for obvious reasons that hasn't been replicated this year.

      Dropping Stevie and failing to pick up results will mean the end of Brendan's job as he will be perceived to have lost the dressing room so it has now become an option of last resort.

      Unfortunately the handling of Torres, Carragher, Suarez and Stevie has poor from the time that Rafa left; I think rafa's plans to move on the old guard led to his premature departure.

      If anyone had the wherewithall to handle the careers of those players it was Kenny however he had completely the wrong plan.
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      Reply #1653: Nov 28, 2014 10:58:02 am
      For us to get anything out of this season, the following will have to happen.

      1.   Brendan to grow bollocks and say to Stevie that he isn’t what he was.  That the modern footballer has evolved and is a lethal player to mark or be marked against for 90 minutes.  In order to not tarnish his reputation further, mathematics and physics must not be ignored and Gerrard should lose the well-earned ego to accept he should be an impact player now
      2.   Emre Can, Allen and Coutinho to play more games
      3.   A F***ing DEFENSIVE COACH
      4.   Glen Johnson to be on some sort of Anfield Offenders Register and banned from the stadium
      5.   2 strikers
      6.   When (if) we start to win a few games and confidence grows in our forwards, start with Gerrard – then sub after 60 minutes
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      Re: "We Need To Talk About Gerrard."
      Reply #1654: Nov 28, 2014 04:05:31 pm
      A few weeks ago the missus and I were going out for a lovely evening on the town.  Just Fed and Mrs. Fed.  Sexual relations were to follow later but that's neither here nor there.

      Anyway, we were getting ready to leave when she realized it was a bit cold outside, so she grabbed a ghastly pink scarf and wrapped it 'round her neck.  She then looked in the mirror and said "oh, this doesn't go at all with my jacket."  So... she went and tried another jacket.  Then she realized the pink didn't match the pants she had on.  So she went and looked for a different pair of pants to go with the pink scarf and to go with the new jacket.  This went on and on, all sorts of permutations of jacket, pants, shirt, etc, all of these shenanigans just to fit this damn pink scarf somehow into her outfit.

      Eventually I said: "here's an idea: instead of changing your outfit to force the scarf to look good, how about you just... get rid of the scarf?"

      Lo and behold she got rid of the ugly scarf and there was no longer any clashing.

      Hmm....

      I'm thinking she was just trying to delay the sexual relations mate

      Just saying

      Someone should

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      Re: "We Need To Talk About Gerrard."
      Reply #1655: Nov 28, 2014 04:46:48 pm
      So what's the solution the continued shoehorning of a player who at 34 should be playing less games but instead seems undroppable.

      Fat Frank plays the odd full game and has cameo sub appearances and guess what he looks more fitter and agile than Gerrard.

      What is the long term planning, he carries on until 50!

      Difference there is, although Frank Lampard is older, and naturally plays less minutes than Stevie, you have to factor in that over the years Stevie has had some serious injuries which HAVE affected his latter playing years. As far as I am aware, Lampard has been relatively free of injuries.

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