"We Need To Talk About Gerrard."

Just want to say I think Gerrard is great.  Nothing more needs saying really.

I agree

Just want to say I think Gerrard was great tonight.  Nothing more needs saying really.

now it's fixed

now it's fixed

Really mate?

Strange how different we all see games though.

Drop Gerrard? Sounds like a desperate answer to me. If anything, Lucas or Henderson should be dropped, they've been equally as sh*t. Lucas hasn't been as good as people say he has, he looks like a spectator at times too. Henderson works his arse off but that's about it. At least when Gerrard gets the ball he has the threat of a long defence-splitting pass. He retains possession the best out of all three of them as well. The reason Gerrard's been poor is because of the lack of quality around him. I feel as if Gerrard has to hold back on his own performance to compensate the poor performers around him, almost as if he's doing the job of two men but he's getting stuck in the middle and doing neither which is making him look sh*t.

 Thought he had a good game tonight. I thought the whole team played pretty well TBH, even Lucas. 

Funny how this wasn't being mentioned last season when he was right up with the players at the top in terms of number of assists and putting in some really good performances yet less than 10 games into our new season, because we have failed to win our last 3 games it is now being mentioned.

Let's see how many replies this thread gets when we start winning again.

At least when Gerrard gets the ball he has the threat of a long defence-splitting pass.

Once or twice a game that I don't think has led to anything this season.

He retains possession the best out of all three of them as well.

He doesn't. Lucas is easily the best of our midfielders at getting the ball and moving it to another Liverpool player. Not as flashy as Gerrard but better.

I feel as if Gerrard has to hold back on his own performance to compensate the poor performers around him, almost as if he's doing the job of two men but he's getting stuck in the middle and doing neither which is making him look sh*t.

I think it's the complete opposite and it's Lucas who is doing the work of two at times, not all the time mind, and then is knackered come 60 mins.

Thought he had a good game tonight. I thought the whole team played pretty well TBH, even Lucas. 

Well done Mick! Finally someone who puts it into perspective, sometimes you can play well and lose!

I'd play Lucas as the DM and have Allen in his best position. The one that just happens to be Gerrard's position.

But the manager is playing two DMs so if he ain't playing Gerrard in his better midfield position for the love of how he wants us set up at the moment then why woud he play Allen there?

Don't get what you are trying to say. Just seems that you've started the thread to be a bit sensationalist.

Everybody knows Stevie isn't the player he used to be but he has just had a great year playing where he is now. Now, on the back of two defeats we need to talk about him getting the chop even though he has done aswell as most until Saturday and as bad as others since Saturday.

He shouldn't be 'undroppable' but he shouldn't be dropped just for the sake of dropping Steven Gerrard.

Drop Gerrard? Sounds like a desperate answer to me. If anything, Lucas or Henderson should be dropped, they've been equally as sh*t. Lucas hasn't been as good as people say he has, he looks like a spectator at times too. Henderson works his arse off but that's about it. At least when Gerrard gets the ball he has the threat of a long defence-splitting pass. He retains possession the best out of all three of them as well. The reason Gerrard's been poor is because of the lack of quality around him. I feel as if Gerrard has to hold back on his own performance to compensate the poor performers around him, almost as if he's doing the job of two men but he's getting stuck in the middle and doing neither which is making him look sh*t.

Probably the single worst post I have seen on this forum. Probably from somebody used to 1970's English football.

I'd continue with or 3 at the back and hope we can address the midfield in January.

That or adapt a defender to DM.

I'd continue with or 3 at the back and hope we can address the midfield in January.

That or adapt a defender to DM.

I can't even see DangerMouse helping our midfield Race

Far more than that needed

I can't even see DangerMouse helping our midfield Race

Far more than that needed

Penfold?

I can't even see DangerMouse helping our midfield Race

Far more than that needed

Nice.

I'd try Toure or Dagger in midfield.
That or 3 at the back with Agger forward.

 How can we sensibly compare Lucas "pass success" rates with Gerrards without at least considering the difficulty of the passes they attempt? If ever there was a ludicrous use of stats, it's there.

 Seriously, if you said to any fan of any other club that after tonights performance you were considering dropping Gerrard in favour of Lucas/Allen/Moses (I'm not kidding, someone said Moses) they would think you were completely off your rocker. They'd be right too.

But the manager is playing two DMs so if he ain't playing Gerrard in his better midfield position for the love of how he wants us set up at the moment then why woud he play Allen there?

I think, and I may well be wrong, that it is still supposed to be a more staggered two, if you like, than it appears. Just that Stevie is more inclined to move back deeper these days which moves him more into Lucas more natural position.

Don't get what you are trying to say. Just seems that you've started the thread to be a bit sensationalist.

Far from it but as I, and a few others, have said, I don't see why one player is singled out as the 'problem' when it couls just as easily be the other or even both. Much easier to pick out his partner though and I could have said nothing and left it. Just thought it was a debate worth having properly no matter what way people view the issue.

Everybody knows Stevie isn't the player he used to be but he has just had a great year playing where he is now. Now, on the back of two defeats we need to talk about him getting the chop even though he has done aswell as most until Saturday and as bad as others since Saturday.

I'm not saying that he definitely has to be dropped or is definitely the problem but there is 100% an issue with our midfield tow and it is a big factor in our second half peformances in partiuclar. Now I have said that out of the two personally I'd try Gerrard out of the side , or even in a different position, for at least one game to see if that solves it as I see Lucas as the best DM we have and we have to build from there and get what works.

He shouldn't be 'undroppable' but he shouldn't be dropped just for the sake of dropping Steven Gerrard.

I never said this either mate but it's much more easy to keep in him because he's Steven Gerrard than have the courage to leave him out.

Nice.

I'd try Toure or Dagger in midfield.
That or 3 at the back with Agger forward.

Thought that for a while mate, think Dagger would make an outstanding Defensive midfielder.

How can we sensibly compare Lucas "pass success" rates with Gerrards without at least considering the difficulty of the passes they attempt? If ever there was a ludicrous use of stats, it's there.

 Seriously, if you said to any fan of any other club that after tonights performance you were considering dropping Gerrard in favour of Lucas/Allen/Moses (I'm not kidding, someone said Moses) they would think you were completely off your rocker. They'd be right too.

Moses?

Get the F**k.

Thought that for a while mate, think Dagger would make an outstanding Defensive midfielder.

I think Agger may be a bit too one footed for the role mate. Watch him when he makes runs forward and the number of times he has to run into trouble because he can't get a pass off with his right foot.

Worth a try though.... at this stage anything seems worth a go.

All's I'm saying is that our midfield looked fine last season for the large part.

I don't think our second half performances are down to the midfield but more to how we are all of a sudden playing deeper. Keep playing as we are, whilst putting round pegs in square holes and we'll continue to get overrun.

Its no coincidence that our inability to get the ball up the pitch and the fact that there is even more pressure on Lucas and Gerrard has stemmed since Johnno has been out of the team.

All's I'm saying is that our midfield looked fine last season for the large part.

It did but last season has been and gone. I think the blend with the two isn't quite right at this point and is showing as the season has went on even at this early stage.

It did but last season has been and gone. I think the blend with the two isn't quite right at this point and is showing as the season has went on even at this early stage.

Probably because we are playing differently now. I'm more worried that our manager isn't getting the best out of the players he has at his disposal.

Probably because we are playing differently now. I'm more worried that our manager isn't getting the best out of the players he has at his disposal.

I am as well and that is another debate.