"We Need To Talk About Gerrard."

Seeing that people like to use stats to prove their point.

I would like to congratulate Stevie, club's top scorer to date.

Is it not Sterling?

Edit: Just had a look.
Sterling and Gerrard both on 3.
This time last season Sturridge had 5 goals and 2 assists.

We kept three clean sheets in our first three games.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/players/steven-gerrard/11125932/Liverpool-captain-Steven-Gerrard-proves-he-is-far-from-finished-with-crucial-display-in-Merseyside-derby.html

A good piece from Henry Winter on Gerrard. Thankfully he has more sense than half the people in this thread.

You do know some of us talking in this thread, don't exactly what him fu**ed off. We, as a club, should be looking at a permanent replacement, because he won't be able to go on forever.

Or do we just wing it, like we did after getting shut of Suarez this summer!

Seeing that people like to use stats to prove their point.

I would like to congratulate Stevie, club's top scorer to date.

 

2 penalties and a free kick.
I don't think anyone was questioning his ability to take either.

The sooner we start scoring more goals in open play the better.

We, as a club, should be looking at a permanent replacement,

We should be mate, I think most would agree with that.

I'd be interested though as to what Gerrard people think we need to replace. Is it the Gerrard of now, who plays in front of the back four, pings the ball here there and everywhere at will (when on form of course) and generally is the man to launch us into attack. Is it the Gerrard in his prime where nobody on the planet could touch him in the middle of the park and he could drive even the worst Liverpool sides forward. Is it the Gerrard of 08/09, the year some think he was at his best, where he played just behind the front man and was the link up man between midfield and attack.

Because I think currently, we're probably missing somebody to do all three. Coutinho on form could be the link up man but so far this year he's been atrocious. Henderson could possibly be the driving force though I doubt he'd get the same return in number of goals. Some think Henderson can do the current Gerrard role, I'm not sure about that though. (he did do well playing partially there during the Derby I must admit)

So like I said, we should be looking at replacing Gerrard. I think we need to find somebody who can do the role Gerrard currently does - but preferably a little more mobile. My pick(s) would be that Morgan Sch.... from Southampton or Cabaye from whatever French club pinched him off Newcastle.

Luis replaced Stevie last season.The player who could drag a game and win it on his own. we don't have Luis and we do not have Stevie from the 2005=2011 era and lets face it they don't grow on trees these players.

We should be mate, I think most would agree with that.

I'd be interested though as to what Gerrard people think we need to replace. Is it the Gerrard of now, who plays in front of the back four, pings the ball here there and everywhere at will (when on form of course) and generally is the man to launch us into attack. Is it the Gerrard in his prime where nobody on the planet could touch him in the middle of the park and he could drive even the worst Liverpool sides forward. Is it the Gerrard of 08/09, the year some think he was at his best, where he played just behind the front man and was the link up man between midfield and attack.

Because I think currently, we're probably missing somebody to do all three. Coutinho on form could be the link up man but so far this year he's been atrocious. Henderson could possibly be the driving force though I doubt he'd get the same return in number of goals. Some think Henderson can do the current Gerrard role, I'm not sure about that though. (he did do well playing partially there during the Derby I must admit)

So like I said, we should be looking at replacing Gerrard. I think we need to find somebody who can do the role Gerrard currently does - but preferably a little more mobile. My pick(s) would be that Morgan Sch.... from Southampton or Cabaye from whatever French club pinched him off Newcastle.

Pogba could do all those roles but would cost muchos moolah.

I just hope we have been planning these past few years about managing the transition.

BR signed Emre Can to be a future replacement.

We should be mate, I think most would agree with that.

I'd be interested though as to what Gerrard people think we need to replace. Is it the Gerrard of now, who plays in front of the back four, pings the ball here there and everywhere at will (when on form of course) and generally is the man to launch us into attack. Is it the Gerrard in his prime where nobody on the planet could touch him in the middle of the park and he could drive even the worst Liverpool sides forward. Is it the Gerrard of 08/09, the year some think he was at his best, where he played just behind the front man and was the link up man between midfield and attack.

Because I think currently, we're probably missing somebody to do all three. Coutinho on form could be the link up man but so far this year he's been atrocious. Henderson could possibly be the driving force though I doubt he'd get the same return in number of goals. Some think Henderson can do the current Gerrard role, I'm not sure about that though. (he did do well playing partially there during the Derby I must admit)

So like I said, we should be looking at replacing Gerrard. I think we need to find somebody who can do the role Gerrard currently does - but preferably a little more mobile. My pick(s) would be that Morgan Sch.... from Southampton or Cabaye from whatever French club pinched him off Newcastle.

Good post!

During the summer I thought Fabregas could be a good signing, and medium term replacement for SG. Thinking about it now, I'm not sure both of them could be selecting in the same LFC team/first XI, the roles they would playing being so similar. Sitting in front of the back 4, controlling the tempo of the game, hitting short passes mainly, odd long one, generally being the guy to start us moving forward, occasionally creative, mostly steadying. Fabregas probably gets a bit further forward as Matic is such a sitter too.

Imo don't see SG in a role further forward, or on the wings. Not for extended period. Someone with a game like Fabregas/Modric would be the type of replacement I'd like to see (as opposed to a Cabaye, given we have Hendo/Can). And if we sign someone, they need to be a top player, VERY good in that role ... and imo as result would be first choice.
BTW - don't see Coutinho in the role, excellent player but his nature is attack, play it quick. He's not yet the player to take a game by the scruff of the neck, slow it down, speed it up, be that controlling influence.

So the way I see it, it's going to have to be a clean break. We get a TOP guy who can play that role. And as don't see SG playing another role as a first XIer, he would be on the bench, or he might decide he wants a new challenge.

I'm massive SG fan, and don't look forward to the day he is no longer striding out onto the grass on matchday in front of the lads, but you have to plan, and you have to do it right.

See what I did there?

Where Gerrard plays is a specialist role, it's one of those roles that has become more important to modern day football teams in that his position is to protect the central defenders and cut out through ball's (if possible) and distribute the ball forward he's the main man who protects the back line with tackles that win the ball back, it's an area where you need a lot of mobility and stamina and at this moment Gerrard for me only ticks one box that of distributing the ball, the protection he gives is not that good and our defence suffers because of that, Stevie do not seem to have the mobility to protect his centre backs in former days he was a fantastic box to box player and he ran everywhere for the team but now his legs do not seem to move has much and now maybe is the time to develope maybe someone like Can for the role and cut down Stevie's work load. I am not sure if we have anyone in the team that can do the job any better Lucas should have been in that position but as we know he has never been the same since the injury and I am not sure we have anyone better at the moment but I hope BR makes it a priority to find another player for the specialised role that it's become.

The key with any team is that you have many options when it comes to possession of the football. The truth is that for almost a season we didn't, we almost always split the centre halves, dropped Stevie into the gap and gave him the ball.

Now that was fine when we had Suarez. It's the nature of football that the butterfly effect often means that the most talked about and obvious nature of a forced change (ie "we're missing Suarez's goals") often overshadows other knock on effects. Gerrard has felt it big time, and absolutely no way would teams have dared press so high up and in such numbers when we had Luis. Because we had Luis we probably got a little lazy, complacent in our attack building.

When the opposition pressed Gerrard and he left big spaces for Henderson to flourish for instance, the vice captain didn't have a clue what to do with it. Coutinho has looked lost, Gerrard swamped by the attention, Markovic a rabbit in the headlights.

What we must do and are doing, is increase the options for starting attacks. Henderson must drop in and distribute at phase one, I'm hoping Coutinho drops in and becomes our Johnny on the spot who keeps circulating the ball and probing, while Stevie drops in more occasionally but still hurts teams from distance. That's what good sides do, they come at you from all angles.

We are a good side, we've just got to find the key again. Gerrard is 100% a key component of that.

"I will agree with the constructive criticism as far I've been stifled in a couple of games when players have followed me about and I've found it difficult to shake them off,'' Gerrard told BT Sport's Ray Stubbs afterwards. "But then people go one step further and say you're finished, you can't run any more, you're done. That's the frustrating thing. So it's nice to remind people that although I am 34, I can still run, I can still play and I can still compete with the best players around."


Steer clear of this thread then Stevie lad because there has been plenty of that sort of talk in here, plenty that think you're finished.

Bollox are ya

"I will agree with the constructive criticism as far I've been stifled in a couple of games when players have followed me about and I've found it difficult to shake them off,'' Gerrard told BT Sport's Ray Stubbs afterwards. "But then people go one step further and say you're finished, you can't run any more, you're done. That's the frustrating thing. So it's nice to remind people that although I am 34, I can still run, I can still play and I can still compete with the best players around."


Steer clear of this thread then Stevie lad because there has been plenty of that sort of talk in here, plenty that think you're finished.

Bollox are ya

Always raise's his game for the Derby though.

Defense is not suffering because of Gerrard. Lucas is a proper DM and didn't solve the problem against Boro, a Championship team. The problem with defense is a lot of things, like position, the ball we can't hold on the attack, attack players sometimes take too long to come back to help defense and because we have some weak players playing back there.

Gerrard might be one of the issues, but he is not the one that takes all the blame.

Defense is not suffering because of Gerrard. Lucas is a proper DM and didn't solve the problem against Boro, a Championship team. The problem with defense is a lot of things, like position, the ball we can't hold on the attack, attack players sometimes take too long to come back to help defense and because we have some weak players playing back there.

Gerrard might be one of the issues, but he is not the one that takes all the blame.

Your correct up to a point the way the team is set up with attacking full backs, midfielders who also bomb forward we are always susceptible to the counter and this is where Stevies limitations of positioning and legs have been found out time and again.

Against Boro it was individual errors that led to goals, Enrique not clearing the free kick and kolo giving away the pen. If anything Lucas showed exactly what a proper DM can bring to a team, we were much much more comfortable defensively.

BTW I am not advocating Lucas as he is probably not the answer against better teams, just the value in a proper DM, but seems likely that is not the way Brendan wants to play so he needs a way to cover the deficiencies in our defensive cover from midfield. I have said many times our CB's are the least of our problems and even the likes of Kompany would be made to look sh*te in our set up.

Good post!

During the summer I thought Fabregas could be a good signing, and medium term replacement for SG. Thinking about it now, I'm not sure both of them could be selecting in the same LFC team/first XI, the roles they would playing being so similar. Sitting in front of the back 4, controlling the tempo of the game, hitting short passes mainly, odd long one, generally being the guy to start us moving forward, occasionally creative, mostly steadying. Fabregas probably gets a bit further forward as Matic is such a sitter too.

Imo don't see SG in a role further forward, or on the wings. Not for extended period. Someone with a game like Fabregas/Modric would be the type of replacement I'd like to see (as opposed to a Cabaye, given we have Hendo/Can). And if we sign someone, they need to be a top player, VERY good in that role ... and imo as result would be first choice.
BTW - don't see Coutinho in the role, excellent player but his nature is attack, play it quick. He's not yet the player to take a game by the scruff of the neck, slow it down, speed it up, be that controlling influence.

So the way I see it, it's going to have to be a clean break. We get a TOP guy who can play that role. And as don't see SG playing another role as a first XIer, he would be on the bench, or he might decide he wants a new challenge.

I'm massive SG fan, and don't look forward to the day he is no longer striding out onto the grass on matchday in front of the lads, but you have to plan, and you have to do it right.

And just to be clear, I'm not talking about replacing SG now.
Just thinking about the day when we look to actually replace him ... which is not going to be this season ...

Talk about Gerrard?
ok
He got us right out the sh*t again.

When its time for Gerrard to bow out .....the first person to tell us will be Stevie.

He would never cheat the team or himself.


There is nothing to "talk about" as I see it.

We should be mate, I think most would agree with that.

I'd be interested though as to what Gerrard people think we need to replace. Is it the Gerrard of now, who plays in front of the back four, pings the ball here there and everywhere at will (when on form of course) and generally is the man to launch us into attack. Is it the Gerrard in his prime where nobody on the planet could touch him in the middle of the park and he could drive even the worst Liverpool sides forward. Is it the Gerrard of 08/09, the year some think he was at his best, where he played just behind the front man and was the link up man between midfield and attack.

Because I think currently, we're probably missing somebody to do all three. Coutinho on form could be the link up man but so far this year he's been atrocious. Henderson could possibly be the driving force though I doubt he'd get the same return in number of goals. Some think Henderson can do the current Gerrard role, I'm not sure about that though. (he did do well playing partially there during the Derby I must admit)

So like I said, we should be looking at replacing Gerrard. I think we need to find somebody who can do the role Gerrard currently does - but preferably a little more mobile. My pick(s) would be that Morgan Sch.... from Southampton or Cabaye from whatever French club pinched him off Newcastle.

Schniederlin or Cabaye are great shouts. Both very good players.

When its time for Gerrard to bow out .....the first person to tell us will be Stevie.

He would never cheat the team or himself.


There is nothing to "talk about" as I see it.

Shouldn't have F**k all to do with him, if I'm being honest. Should be the managers decision alone.

Shouldn't have F**k all to do with him, if I'm being honest. Should be the managers decision alone.

Is right.

The goals came from individual mistakes, but we gave them a lot of space to create. The didn't score on those chances, but they had chances that came on the same ways we a giving when Gerrard is on the pitch.

When its time for Gerrard to bow out .....the first person to tell us will be Stevie.

He would never cheat the team or himself.


There is nothing to "talk about" as I see it.

I right Skip, the man's priority is LFC.
If our man feels he is in anyway of detriment to the club we will hear it from him.

Shouldn't have F**k all to do with him, if I'm being honest. Should be the managers decision alone.

Is right, there are some devious bas**rds tho' who will pocket the monies in spite of the fact they are performing like a complete c**t, Terry springs to mind immediately.
After saying that he has got a c**t of a manager and thousands of cu*ts cheering him on, c**t of a situation but entirely deserved.