Liverpool and Olympiakos - No connection at all

Pardon my English - I'm a Liverpool supporter in Greece for more than 35 years. I'm also a passionate PAOK fan.

Please let me me explain to fellow Liverpool supporters some things that you might never heard before.

I'm watching for a year now, the connection that is trying to built between Liverpool and olympiakos and I really cannot explain it.

For me Liverpool stands for an honest, hard working team coming from a city that has nothing to do with London or Manchester were all the decisions are taken for Premier League. All these dark powers that boost either man u or chelsea or city or arsenal. Liverpool is fighting all alone against all these "favourable" teams.

That's exactly is PAOK in Greece. The only team outside of Athens (capital of Greece) that ever won league cups and titles. All the other teams are from Athens. Can you imagine it. 60 years only Athens teams!!!

41 of these titles have won by any means from olympiakos. It's widely known that most of these cups were won by tricks, help of referries, control of football federation, political intervention etc. etc.

At least 3 ex presidents of olympiakos are been held in prison for financial crimes.

Olympiakos will finish this year with some remarkable records:

- Three weeks ago took his first red card for 2 and a half years.
- Two weeks ago an opponent gain a penalty against olympikaos (first penalty since 2012).
- At least 10 matches ended with one or two opponents players expelled.
- At least 20 players belong to Olympiakos and play as loans in opponents teams in greek league (imagine that)
- At least 4 presidents of Greece football league have complained against olympiakos mafia ways and decided to create a new clean and honest football league withtout these gangsters.

And the worst thing is that this team, enters every year without challenging games in champions league rounds and its result are very very poor.
This is its first time that has a chance against man u (which is the worst man u since 1980).
Please allow me for the first and only time to support manu u in this particular game.

Can you see something common with this team, as Liverpool fans?.

Here in Greece we call it Public team, because at least two times, the government payed its debts and taxes and built them a new stadium for free.

I beg you to spread these news and protect our team (Liverpool) from this misconception and lack of information.

Liverpool for us who live with the dream of visiting KOP for one time, is sacred team and represents courage, passion, respect and honesty.
Please support PAOK team and if you ever visit our stadium in Thessaloniki (Toumba) you will see many of our supporters wore Liverpool shirts.
FYI PAOK has eliminated both arsenal and Tottenham in UEFA cup.
Thank you for your time. And maybe this is our year to celebrate a Premier's League Cup.

JM

So you're saying that Olympaikos are the Man Utd of Greek football?

I'm not sure there has been a 'developing' bond over the course of the last year.  I know they had a banner in support of JFT96 last month (something many overseas clubs have done) and I know that we want them to beat United.  Also - perhaps from the club's points of view - we play them in a friendly in the summer.

I'm also a bit confused but I think he's saying that Man Utd are an establishment club, backed by the FA, in the same way as the Athens based teams are in Greece, whereas Olympiakos are like Liverpool plucky honest outsiders. In any case I'm just hoping that Olympiakos crush Manure's Champions League dreams

I hope Olympaikos crush United 3-0 at old Trafford.  Then we'll have something in common.

Olympiakos earns 20 ml euro every year by entering in champions league group stage without a match.

With this amount olympiakos bribes referees, opponent teams of low capacity, controls football national association, referee association etc.
Do you think that this team has something in common like Liverpool?

Last year there was a friendly between Liverpool and olympiakos I think in US and the president of Olympiakso (take a look in his face here: ) is trying to wash out his crimes by bonding with a true and honest european football name like Liverpool.

Even Gerrard congratulated this team on his tweeter account.

Oh yes and we had a common player (Nabil El Zhar), while on olympiakos plays and arsenal loan (Campbell)

Please inform all your supporters about this dangerous team (even platini started to help them in cl).
Thank you for your time.

P.S. What's your opinion on Fulham's Mitroglou (best greek football player hahahahahah!!!!!)

Olympiakos earns 20 ml euro every year by entering in champions league group stage without a match.

With this amount olympiakos bribes referees, opponent teams of low capacity, controls football national association, referee association etc.
Do you think that this team has something in common like Liverpool?

I have no idea what you are on about, but are you saying Liverpool Football Club bribe other teams, and Refs?

If the answer is yes, can you explain why we have not won the League in freekin' ages?

I have no idea what you are on about, but are you saying Liverpool Football Club bribe other teams, and Refs?

If the answer is yes, can you explain why we have not won the League in freekin' ages?

No, I think he's trying to say Olympiakos bribe referees and all that. Not Liverpool.

No, I think he's trying to say Olympiakos bribe referees and all that. Not Liverpool.

Does not read that way to me, although the he does call us "a true and honest european football name"

Either way still want them to screw Utd on Wednesday.

Sound like a bitter and jealous Paok fan to be honest, clutching at straws by trying to bring us into it.

Questionable thread at best.

I have a Greek mate who told me the exact same things. He absolutely hates Olympiakos for the same reasons. apparently over there you are either their fan or hate them. I kinda tend to believe him.

I asked you to forgive me for my poor english.
I explain that I am a fan of Liverpool and PAOK. I dislike any other Englsih team.
I'm very sorry that some fans are trying to create bonds between Liverpool with olympiacos.
I tried to explain that Liverpool has nothing to do with this team. Everton maybe.
I'm not bitter nor jealous because noone is jealous for a team that wins cups and tropheys with mafia ways.
I'm sure that you cannot understand that, because English Premiership is very very pure comparing to that disgusting show that we see here in Greece.
I'm thankful that at least 150+ members read my post.
http://www.paokfc.gr/wp-content/gallery/paok_pantou/anfield-stadium-liverpool.jpg
Thank you!!!

Who cares, as long as they beat Man U.

Mr Mayers must be really butt hurt that Olympiakos is winning the league again this year.

Thank you Siavashive for the understanding.
Dear Bier, Imagine Chelsea winning 10-20 cups in a row. Noone gives a #### about it. (pardon my french)
Even olympiacos fans stop cheering about it. But as I told you you cannot understand the filth of this organised crime. You are very very lucky living in UK and watching a civilized league.

I'm not from the UK. But like I said, I dont care, as long as they win against Man U. I'm quite sure most Liverpool supporters feel the same, and actually don't care about Olympiakos or any other Greece club.

Can't say I know much about Greek football, sounds a lot like Turkish football from what your saying, with one city dominating.
Sorry for your troubles mate, but this is a probably a common problem in football.

To be honest I don't think there's anything that can be done big teams in weaker countries will always do well

I'm here scratching my head wondering what the feck this topic is about , oi johnny mayers mate do you want us to start a picket outside the house of horrors for you ?

Dear Jonathan Mayers,

I hope I don't come across rude and I understand what you've said. But even if Olympiakos is the most corrupt club in Greece or the whole of world football for that matter, almost every Liverpool fan will still be supporting them passionately when they play United. Reason being - Man United is the biggest c**t club in the world and a corruption of disease on football itself. I hope what you say is completely true for the upcoming 90mins + potential 30mins + potential penalty shootout. Briefly we all hope Man Utd as a club rot in hell and never ever return anywhere near to the pinnacle of English or European football ever again in all of our lives and many millions of generations. After Wednesday though, we're sorry for your troubles mate.

Olympiakos were the opponents for one of our most famous European nights in our history. That's where the link is for me.

Some of their fans I've talked to online mention Karaiskakis and Hillsborough and see those two tragic events as creating something of a bond, but I don't follow the Greek game at all, so I can't really comment beyond that.

Think what he's getting at is Olympiacos are run by currupt people and are not as pure as their trying to make out,
And by associating themselves with LFC will enhance their image, but in fact behind the scenes they are supported by currupt individuals including their owners , gov officials , referees etc,

He says he wants the munts to win on Wednesday so as Olympiacos don't continue their farcical existence in the competition, but of course we all see it differently,
Not to bothered really, neither will win so who the F**k cares who proceeds!



YNWA

Spot on BillyTheRed, good to see you back in form.

Olympiakos are sh*te and won't win the European Cup. But as long as they get through on Wednesday, we couldn't care less what they do. 

He can then celebrate when they go out.

I think Billy the Red caught my point.
Thanks pal!!!

Well Olympiakos are 6/1 to beat manure, worth a punt

Think what he's getting at is Olympiacos are run by currupt people and are not as pure as their trying to make out,
And by associating themselves with LFC will enhance their image, but in fact behind the scenes they are supported by currupt individuals including their owners , gov officials , referees etc,

He says he wants the munts to win on Wednesday so as Olympiacos don't continue their farcical existence in the competition, but of course we all see it differently,
Not to bothered really, neither will win so who the f**k cares who proceeds!



YNWA

This. End of story.

Think what he's getting at is Olympiacos are run by currupt people and are not as pure as their trying to make out,
And by associating themselves with LFC will enhance their image, but in fact behind the scenes they are supported by currupt individuals including their owners , gov officials , referees etc,

He says he wants the munts to win on Wednesday so as Olympiacos don't continue their farcical existence in the competition, but of course we all see it differently,
Not to bothered really, neither will win so who the f**k cares who proceeds!



YNWA

Perfect response.

We all want the Mancs done and outed from the Comp. Once that happens nothing else matters as WE r Going To Win The League!

I only wanted olympiacos out of the competition. Thanks God there is God.
You see gentlemen, this is the best team in Greece with 18 points difference from PAOK.
And this team lost from the worst manur of all time. The 7th of premier league with 14 points less than Liverpool clean easily our best.
Now I can totally be with you and manur can go and f>>> herself in the next game.

I only wanted olympiacos out of the competition. Thanks God there is God.
You see gentlemen, this is the best team in Greece with 18 points difference from PAOK.
And this team lost from the worst manur of all time. The 7th of premier league with 14 points less than Liverpool clean easily our best.
Now I can totally be with you and manur can go and f>>> herself in the next game.

PAOK are incredibly sh*te so yes??? 

I only wanted olympiacos out of the competition. Thanks God there is God.

Fowler had nothing to do with it .

Fowler had nothing to do with it .

I loved Robbie too.

PAOK are incredibly sh*te so yes??? 

No it isn't. There are at least 2,5 mil PAOK fans in Greece and another 2,5 mil all over the world.
A big percent of them support Liverpool too, like me 
I will not argue with a fellow supporter. We will always share our love for Mighty Liverpool.

I'm here scratching my head wondering what the feck this topic is about

Likewise.

This topic is about how just because two teams both wearing red and white that have been through stadium tragedies does not mean they are sister clubs. I can fully understand how this 'relationship' between the two clubs is contrived. I guess the threadmaker is just warning us not to have the wool pulled over our eyes.

To put it simply; Olympiakos is "The Man's" club. It represents the system. It has so much control over the Greek league that it makes Manchester United look like a wholesome family club with true ethics and values. This Greek poster is telling us that PAOK are a club that stand for the same things that Liverpool do, but Olympiakos are trying to create some kind of bond with Liverpool just because we share colors in common. Trying to wash away some of that dirty stigma by being associated with a 'real' club.

I feel like Olympiakos is one of the biggest assets Greece have. Similar to Benfica in Portugal, Real and Barca in Spain... these clubs are cash cows for their countries. These countries NEED these clubs to be bringing in tens of millions of euros every year, probably just to help keep them relevant. The control Olympiakos have over the Greek league allow them to constantly be bringing in this Champions League money, keeping the other clubs below them. I bet they even had a hand in seeing one of the 'big three', AEK Athens, go down. Now there are only two, Olympiakos and Panathinaikos, and Pana seem to be a distant second in every aspect these days. All the money goes to Oly, the rich get richer, the poor get poorer...

I always knew there was something cool about PAOK and something not quite right about Olympiakos. The reason I care? I have Greek blood. My father is Olympiakos and Liverpool - he started following Olympiakos when he was ten years old, after being taken to one of their games in Athens when he did a year of school in Greece. Then back in Australia in the 70s he started following Liverpool because we are also red and white. So that's what I adopted from my father, the two red and white teams. I was never seriously passionate about Olympiakos, I enjoyed seeing a Greek team do well in Europe but I always saw something fishy there, it is common knowledge that the Greek league is corrupt to the core. Now I have more information on it and can think about it more. I am proud to inherit these two great clubs of red and white from my father, but I don't know. What I love about Liverpool is the us against them mentality of us supporters. I have had this mentality from a young age myself. If Olympiakos completely goes against this then I may have to cut that allegiance... after a little more thought.

This topic is about how just because two teams both wearing red and white that have been through stadium tragedies does not mean they are sister clubs. I can fully understand how this 'relationship' between the two clubs is contrived. I guess the threadmaker is just warning us not to have the wool pulled over our eyes.

It's kind of my point mate.

I wasn't aware of any connection between the clubs anyway and the thought never really entered my head so that's why I was a bit confused in this thread.

I don't get this affiliation club lark , fellas supporting us and Rangers , Celtic , Barca , Draw the line in the sand and F**k them off . PAOK problems are their own not ours .

No it isn't. There are at least 2,5 mil PAOK fans in Greece and another 2,5 mil all over the world.
A big percent of them support Liverpool too, like me 
I will not argue with a fellow supporter. We will always share our love for Mighty Liverpool.

Ignore him, he's being a douchebag. I guess there is a cultural difference in England because most fans don't feel any connection with any other club other than Liverpool. As an example, just because Celtic sing YNWA doesn't mean they're our sister club. But I know it's quiet common in other countries for fans of certain clubs to feel an association and connection with other foreign teams, such as in your case, Liverpool. I know people in Slovenia and Romania who are passionate about their local clubs but also about Liverpool. It's just not something we tend to feel in this country, hence many people's confusion

I don't get this affiliation club lark , fellas supporting us and Rangers , Celtic , Barca , Draw the line in the sand and f**k them off . PAOK problems are their own not ours .

I don't think he's talking about affiliation, he's simply drawing parallels between our two clubs.

Liverpool F.C. and its supporters is unique. It doesn't  need to be associated with any other club. Other clubs may feel they need or want to be associated with Liverpool F.C. for a number of reasons. If they are corrupt, as is being suggested with PAOK, we certainly don't need to be associated with them. We've got along just fine on our own for years, been the envy of most clubs worldwide for years, and been admired for many different reasons by millions world-wide for years.
 Who needs association with anyone ? certainly not Liverpool.

Likewise.

Been wondering how it lasted on the main board for as long as it has...got in early thinking it would get locked.,.,, 

And after 40 posts, we've discovered that there is indeed no connection between us and Olympiakos or any other Greek club. We can rest easy.

I don't get this affiliation club lark , fellas supporting us and Rangers , Celtic , Barca , Draw the line in the sand and f**k them off . PAOK problems are their own not ours .

There used to be loads of 'half and half' Liverpool and Celtic or Rangers bobble hats in The Kop during the 80s

There used to be loads of 'half and half' Liverpool and Celtic or Rangers bobble hats in The Kop during the 80s

And you know what most of us think about halfy halfs mate .

And you know what most of us think about halfy halfs mate .

Well, I think the Celtic/ Rangers fad lasted a while. There used to be Celtic/ Rangers chants at matches too. Pretty sure I had the Celtic half-bobble. Because my parents are Irish and Catholic it seemed the obvious choice

I've already made my point and I'm glad that a lot of people read about it whether you agreed or not.

To put it simply; Olympiakos is "The Man's" club. It represents the system. It has so much control over the Greek league that it makes Manchester United look like a wholesome family club with true ethics and values. This Greek poster is telling us that PAOK are a club that stand for the same things that Liverpool do, but Olympiakos are trying to create some kind of bond with Liverpool just because we share colors in common. Trying to wash away some of that dirty stigma by being associated with a 'real' club.

I always knew there was something cool about PAOK and something not quite right about Olympiakos. The reason I care? I have Greek blood.

@ Del Boca Vista. Thank you mate for your support. I'm sure that many people od Greek origin (and not only) will agree with your words.

@ all the others. I do not expect to understand that one can support his country team and an international Club at the same time. But I'm sure that you understand that someone: let's say is from Stevenage, Hertfordshire and supports bith Stevenage and Liverpool. Is it bad? I don't think so.
Liverpool is an international club, whether you like it or not, it's not and english or british or UKish team only.
I think Liverpool have more fans outside of England than in England.
Most of us never came to the field to watch a live game, but we still learn the news from tv. web. apps etc.
I don't think that you were more excited than Cardiff's 6 goals we scored last weekend !!!!
So please allow us the joy of remembering those early 70's black and white tv, Liverpool game broadcasts, we watched with our fathers and made us love our team, and not feeling guilty about it.!

Greek Soccer Team Surrounds The Field With A Ring Of Flares Before A Game

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Some proper nuts over there in PAOK

       
        This is the man thanks to whom the two clubs (Liverpool and Paok) bear affiliation with each other. This noble and at the same time commanding figure existed and lived under the name Les Shannon to whom PAOK FC owes the best part of their history,for some even their own existance. Not only did he manage for three years from 1971 to 1974 (this is considered a long period of time for the Greek standards) but he reformed the entire club as well, taking PAOK from a long dark era of oblivion and establishing them among the big clubs in Greece. During his spell P.A.O.K. won the Greek cup twice (1972,1974) along with loads of new fans, but not the Greek league because of reasons that have been correctly mentioned before by "Jonathan Meyers"in his OP. These were the first trophies won by the club.

         I still remember when his voice had been last heard on the Greek TV. It was on 12 May 2001 just after the FA cup final between Arsenal and Liverpool 1-2. He said he was happy with the result but he had to postpone his celebrations for three hours later until the ''second half'' for the day was completed since that very evening the respective Greek cup final between PAOK and Olympiacos was to be held. For the record, its result  was a thrashing 4-2 for PAOK. That day should be included among the happiest in his life as he later stated. The icing on the cake of course was the UEFA cup glorious win four nights later by Liverpool (should have got him over the moon) and so one more treble was added in the club's tally.
         
        Les Shannon played for Liverpool in the years 1945-1949 and he was Dave's Shannon father, Academy coach at Liverpool.

        You will always be remembered with love by all of us P.A.O.K. fans "Mister" (this was what the players called him) and you'll always live in our hearts! A big thank you from us all for gracing and honouring our club with your presence. "LIVERPOOL and P.A.O.K. will always have a place  in my heart'' used to say (what an honour indeed!).

         May God rest his soul !!!

         

As far as I know our link to Olympiakos would be through the fans that travelled to Athens in 2007 and when we have played them before that and laid flowers and scarves for the 21 who died at Gate 7.

Plus I remember when we played Olympiakos in 2001 on the way to Dortmund in the Uefa Cup and a couple of their fans in the anny road were waving scarves of Man Utd!

  Personally i don't believe there can be any connection between two clubs and aside from some coincidental circumstances nothing more. I don't really now if such a topic should have started at all but i found it as a good opportunity to pay my respects to this man.