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      LFC - Premier League Finish Predictions 2014/15

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      LFC - Premier League Finish Predictions 2014/15
      Aug 01, 2014 04:00:02 am
      What do you think the Table will look like at the end of the 2014/2015 season?

      I'm going to be optimistic and say.  :roll:

      1. Liverpool
      2. Chelsea
      3. Manchester City
      4. Arsenal
      5. Manchester United
      6. Tottenham
      7. Everton
      8. Stoke
      9. Crystal Palace
      10. Newcastle
      11. West Ham
      12. Swansea
      13. West Brom
      14. Sunderland
      15. Queens Park Rangers
      16. Southampton
      17. Hull City
      18. Aston Villa
      « Last Edit: Aug 09, 2014 11:58:20 pm by JD »
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      Re: Premier League Table Predictions 2014/15
      Reply #1: Aug 01, 2014 06:53:18 am
      1. Liverpool
      2. Chelsea
      3. City
      4. Arsenal
      5. United
      6. Spurs
      7. Everton
      8. Newcastle
      9. Stoke
      10. Villa
      11. QPR
      12. Sunderland
      13. Swansea
      14. Hull
      15. West Ham
      16. Southampton
      17. Crystal Palace
      18. West Brom
      19. Burnley
      20. Leicester


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      Re: Premier League Table Predictions 2014/15
      Reply #2: Aug 01, 2014 08:21:11 am
      1/ Liverpool.
      2/Liverpool Reserves.
      3/Who gives a sh*te who finishes below us.
        :kop5cf8koxp6: :kop5cf8koxp6: :kop5cf8koxp6: :kop5cf8koxp6: :kop5cf8koxp6:
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      Re: Premier League Table Predictions 2014/15
      Reply #3: Aug 01, 2014 01:37:31 pm
      Sure I saw on sly sports earlier we are 5th favourites for the league....

      staggering
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      Re: Premier League Table Predictions 2014/15
      Reply #4: Aug 01, 2014 02:37:36 pm
      Sure I saw on sly sports earlier we are 5th favourites for the league....

      staggering

      Doesn't surprise me.
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      Re: Premier League Table Predictions 2014/15
      Reply #5: Aug 01, 2014 03:09:41 pm
      I'm going to be optimistic and say.  :roll:

      1. Liverpool
      2. Chelsea
      3. Manchester City
      4. Arsenal
      5. Manchester United
      6. Tottenham
      7. Everton
      8. Stoke
      9. Crystal Palace
      10. Newcastle
      11. West Ham
      12. Swansea
      13. West Brom
      14. Sunderland
      15. Queens Park Rangers
      16. Southampton
      17. Hull City
      18. Aston Villa

      Optimistic and say two clubs will go into liquidation and be no more?
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      Re: Premier League Table Predictions 2014/15
      Reply #6: Aug 07, 2014 10:02:45 am
      Bet my house that we will not finish first. A little transition we are going through here, and we'll now have the rigours of CL football and if improved, more games in the domestic cups.

      1. Chelsea (they'll walk it)
      2. Arsenal (if they avoid another injury crisis)
      3. Manchester City (can see them dropping off)
      4. Liverpool/Utd (depends on signings)

      Cannot decide between fourth. As it stands we need to improve our attack and replace LS - if so, I'm confident we can get fourth or even better. If Utd fail to sign any tops players (Vidal and Hummels) then I think they may struggle. Their advantage is less games than us, and a very good manager.

      CL is new territory for BR, so he's going to have to manage his squad differently. Can we go from 2nd to 1st after more games and the departure of LS? No, it's just not going to happen just yet.

      Why Chelsea 1st? Well, they've made exactly the signings they need, and they have Mourinho who knows how to win ugly.

      6th Tottenham
      7th Everton
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      Re: Premier League Table Predictions 2014/15
      Reply #7: Aug 07, 2014 11:08:32 am
      Well the first 3 are pretty easy to predict
      1-Man city
      2-Chelsea
      3-Man utd ( a clever manager , no CL football )
      4- Arsenal or Liverpool ( I think arsenal will start great again but as soon as someone injured they will fall , for us we need not to lose points and have a great start) .
      I would also predict that Everton and spurs will battle hard for the 4th place as well .
      It's not gonna be easy if we fail to bring any striker and left thing until January I could easily see us in the 5th place trying to battle for a 4th place .
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      Re: Premier League Table Predictions 2014/15
      Reply #8: Aug 07, 2014 11:11:17 am
      4. Liverpool/Utd (depends on signings)

      Absolutely love your enthusiasm and belief.


      Poll added.
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      Re: Premier League Table Predictions 2014/15
      Reply #9: Aug 07, 2014 11:23:47 am
      1st Chelsea
      2nd Arsenal
      3rd Man City
      4th Liverpool FC
      5th Manure
      6th Blueshit
      7th Spurhead
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      Re: Premier League Table Predictions 2014/15
      Reply #10: Aug 07, 2014 12:08:50 pm
      1.Liverool
      2.Anyone
      3.Anyone
      4.Arsenal
      5.Anyone
      6.Scum

      We will win the league in the 3rd last match at chelsea away just like we lost the league at the same match.
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      Re: Premier League Table Predictions 2014/15
      Reply #11: Aug 07, 2014 12:12:02 pm
      1 - Liverpool
      2 - Chelsea
      3 - City
      4 - Everton
      5 - Spurs
      6 - United
      7-20 - Who the F**k cares.



      We will win the league in the 3rd last match at chelsea away just like we lost the league at the same match.

      We didn't lose the league until the last match, and the game you're thinking of we played Chelsea at home.
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      Re: Premier League Table Predictions 2014/15
      Reply #12: Aug 07, 2014 01:09:16 pm
      1 - Liverpool
      2 - Chelsea
      3 - City
      4 - Everton
      5 - Spurs
      6 - United
      7-20 - Who the f**k cares.



      We didn't lose the league until the last match, and the game you're thinking of we played Chelsea at home.
      Yea i know that.But what i am saying is that it was man city's title to lose after that day .Same 3rd last fixture against the chelski that too at their home.Would be ironic if we win there.
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      Re: Premier League Table Predictions 2014/15
      Reply #13: Aug 07, 2014 02:04:03 pm
      Absolutely love your enthusiasm and belief.


      Poll added.


      Sorry mate but I'm trying to look at this logically instead of emotionally. We've got six more games at the absolute minimum, maybe eight if we qualify from our CL group. We also didn't progress well in the Carling Cup or Fa Cup so I am expecting us to again play at least two or three more games in those competitions. We could be looking at 10+ games easily next season, and that means the continuity in team selection will not be there. We will have to shuffle around more, and maybe even rest some key players due to fatigue (and that could cost us points). So this is just another hurdle, not to mention the departure of our best player and arguably the worlds best striker.

      On the plus side - Coutinho may well improve, as may Sterling, as may Sturridge. And then we've got our new signings - Can, Lallana and Markovic. For now I wouldn't want to say they'll improve us significantly in the short term. They'll need time to settle into the team and adjust to the fast pace of the PL.

      We are still ahead of schedule. I know anything other than 1st is not acceptable in most peoples eyes, but lets not forget - we consolidate a top four position this season and have a good run in Europe, then many decent players will be taking note. Signing players like Sanchez and Reus then seems as easy as signing Mascherano and Torres.

      In my opinion the above would be good progress. Finishing 5th would be disastrous (unless we won CL).
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      Reply #14: Aug 07, 2014 02:09:27 pm
      If we don't find a reasonable replacement for Suarez/backup for Sturridge we may very well be struggling to win the league and without knowing injuries and such, it's really impossible to tell. Obviously best case scenario is 1st, but that for me would take a couple more key signings and no injury issues this season. If we have some injuries and don't get another striker for instance, I think finishing 2nd again will be tough and 4th may be a battle as well.

      I think Everton and United are going to battle for the top 4 this year with United missing out but Everton making some waves. It's going to be a rollercoaster ride, that's for sure.
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      Reply #15: Aug 07, 2014 02:25:03 pm

      probably about right. hats my prediction too unless we go and buy a few world class players
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      Reply #16: Aug 07, 2014 02:50:00 pm
      probably about right. hats my prediction too unless we go and buy a few world class players

      I think you misunderstand me.

      I'm not surprised they predicted us 5th.

      Not a chance those mancs will finish in the top four.
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      Re: Premier League Table Predictions 2014/15
      Reply #17: Aug 07, 2014 03:06:38 pm
      1. Louis van Gaal
      2. Louis van Gaal
      3. Louis van Gaal
      4. Louis van Gaal
      5. Louis van Gaal
      6. Louis van Gaal
      7. Louis van Gaal
      8. Louis van Gaal
      9. Louis van Gaal
      10. Louis van Gaal
      11. Louis van Gaal
      12. Louis van Gaal
      13. Louis van Gaal
      14. Louis van Gaal
      15. Louis van Gaal
      16. Louis van Gaal
      17. Louis van Gaal
      18. Louis van Gaal
      19. Louis van Gaal
      20. Louis van Gaal
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      Re: Premier League Table Predictions 2014/15
      Reply #18: Aug 07, 2014 03:08:40 pm
      I heard Chicago fire are not too bad...
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      Re: Premier League Table Predictions 2014/15
      Reply #19: Aug 07, 2014 03:13:00 pm
      1. Liverpool

      Don't care about the rest as long as we're there.
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      Reply #20: Aug 07, 2014 03:17:47 pm
      If we can land Falcao then I really think we can win the league, even if we don't I see us comfortably in top 4. I just can't see United as a real challenge, not over the course of a whole season.
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      Reply #21: Aug 07, 2014 03:37:56 pm
      I heard Chicago fire are not too bad...

      They're abysmal actually!
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      Re: Premier League Table Predictions 2014/15
      Reply #22: Aug 07, 2014 03:51:00 pm
      1. Chelsea
      2. Citeh
      3. Arsenal

      I think Liverpool, Spurs, the mancs and Everton will all be fighting for the last CL spot. I think that if we don't buy a good striker we could easily finish back in 6th if Sturridge is out for a while.

      If we get a good striker and with the strengthening we have already made to the squad, I think we will finish top 4, probably fighting with Arsenal for that 3rd spot.   

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      Re: Premier League Table Predictions 2014/15
      Reply #23: Aug 07, 2014 03:52:42 pm
      Hand on heart think we will finish lower than 2nd and think United will finish higher than 7th.

      Chelsea to win the league.

      (I'll get my coat).
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      Re: Premier League Table Predictions 2014/15
      Reply #24: Aug 07, 2014 03:56:27 pm
      1. Chelsea
      2. Citeh
      3. Arsenal

      I think Liverpool, Spurs, the mancs and Everton will all be fighting for the last CL spot. I think that if we don't buy a good striker we could easily finish back in 6th if Sturridge is out for a while.

      If we get a good striker and with the strengthening we have already made to the squad, I think we will finish top 4, probably fighting with Arsenal for that 3rd spot.   



      Bit confused, why are Arsenal going to be so much better than last season, is it just because of Sanchez? Personally I think we are a much much better team this season than last, far more options and strength in depth. Yes we'll miss Luis but there are plenty of goals in our team as it stands and if we can get another top striker in then we really should be pushing for top spot.
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      Reply #25: Aug 07, 2014 04:09:27 pm
      Bit confused, why are Arsenal going to be so much better than last season, is it just because of Sanchez? Personally I think we are a much much better team this season than last, far more options and strength in depth. Yes we'll miss Luis but there are plenty of goals in our team as it stands and if we can get another top striker in then we really should be pushing for top spot.

      I don't think Arsenal will be that much stronger than last season.... I think we will be that much weaker than last season.

      We finished 5 points in front of Arsenal last season, the loss of Suarez will cost us more than 5 points imo. Personally I don't believe there are a lot of goals in our team. Even if we buy a decent striker I think we are back to scoring around 75 goals and then it becomes all about how many we concede.


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      Re: Premier League Table Predictions 2014/15
      Reply #26: Aug 07, 2014 04:12:12 pm
      Ye have little faith all those naysayers, since this thread is hypothetical I'm with Billy1,

      1, Liverpool
      2-18,  who gives a F**k,

      Yes we do need another Striker and I believe BR is working on this at this very moment in time , however we can only bring players in who are available , F**k knows who this player will be but I trust Brendan to find a suitable candidate,

      Without doubt we will miss the 'crazy' one but I think we will be stronger with more options,
      Like all good sides do when they lose a linchpin player we will adapt and evolve
      We are not a one player team,

      I like all of you can't wait now, I'm proper excited about this coming season,
      Sly sports place us as 5th favs, that suits us fine, but who f***in cares what they think, they'll be so wrapped up in LVG as the saviour of Scumchester, and nothing else matters,(can't wait for another major fail there btw,)

      Anyhoo, no 19 is imminent , Believe people, BELIEVE !!!

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      Reply #27: Aug 07, 2014 04:15:59 pm
      1. Liverpool
      2. Newcastle
      3. Swansea
      4. Crystal Palace

      18. Chelsea
      19. Arsenal
      20. Man United

      :D
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      Re: Premier League Table Predictions 2014/15
      Reply #28: Aug 07, 2014 04:30:01 pm
      Ye have little faith all those naysayers, since this thread is hypothetical I'm with Billy1,

      Why is it hypothetical?

      It's gathering people's opinions on where teams will finish - hopefully based on either a) blind faith or b) accumulated knowledge of football.
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      Reply #29: Aug 09, 2014 04:12:23 pm
      Went for 2nd for 2 reasons. First being Im usually wrong so hopefully me saying second means we get first!!

      But I think the season will take a toll on us. Its a young squad and adjusting to playing premier league games after champions league games plus the added pressure from supporters who will now expect things after a great season last season I think will prevent us winning it.

      Think we need a trophy this season no matter which one but I think well just miss out on the main one
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      Re: LFC - Premier League Finish Predictions 2014/15
      Reply #30: Aug 09, 2014 04:29:46 pm
      1. Liverpool
      2-20. Who gives a sh*t.
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      Re: LFC - Premier League Finish Predictions 2014/15
      Reply #31: Aug 09, 2014 04:54:52 pm
      I've predicted us to finish 3rd, not too far behind 1st and 2nd though (Chelsea and Man City) with Arsenal coming 4th.
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      Reply #32: Aug 09, 2014 06:35:14 pm
      Why is it hypothetical?

      It's gathering people's opinions on where teams will finish - hopefully based on either a) blind faith or b) accumulated knowledge of football.


      Fairy muff JD, not the best choice of words, I stand corrected.


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      Reply #33: Aug 09, 2014 06:36:59 pm
      Come on the below 15th voter, have the courage of your convictions and tell us why you think we'll finish that low down.

      Personally I've gone for first, I think our transition and the speed of it may just surprise people.
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      Reply #34: Aug 09, 2014 06:44:49 pm
      I personally think Utd will get back to top 4 at the expense of...

      Arsenal.

      They just can't seem to sustain a challenge. As for us, well after last seasons efforts I knew top priority would be to consolidate a CL position. So that's where I see this season with another title push the following season.
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      Reply #35: Aug 09, 2014 07:35:56 pm
      I've said 3rd. Mainly for the fact we have lost Suarez and i can't see where his goals/creativity are coming from. Hopefully we can shore up at the back a little to compensate and have a real go in Europe and one of the cups. Bring it on!
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      Re: LFC - Premier League Finish Predictions 2014/15
      Reply #36: Aug 09, 2014 07:41:52 pm
      1. Chelsea
      2. Manchester City
      3. Liverpool
      4. Arsenal
      5. Manchester United
      6. Tottenham Hotspur
      7. Everton
      8. Newcastle United
      9. West Ham United
      10. Burnley
      11. Crystal Palace
      12. Southampton
      13. Sunderland
      14. Queens Park Rangers
      15. Stoke City
      16. Aston Villa
      17. Leicester City
      18. Hull City
      19. Swansea City
      20. West Bromwich Albion
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      Reply #37: Aug 09, 2014 08:07:08 pm
      Don't care where anyone else finishes. I reckon with all the games we will have this year we will finish 3rd though.

      I'd be happy with a decent run in the CL and one of the domestic cups and a 3rd place finish in the league. That would signal progression for me as we obviously had much less games to play last season plus we haven't really replaced our vacant strikers position adequately yet.
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      Reply #38: Aug 09, 2014 08:10:59 pm
      This coming season is going to be even more competitive than any prem season ever I reckon.
      Any of 5 teams could win.
      I believe though the top few places will be:

      1. Chelsea.
      2. City
      3. Liverpool
      4. Arse
      5. United
      6. Everton
      7. Spurs.
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      Reply #39: Aug 09, 2014 08:27:05 pm
      With the current strikers 4th, if we manage to get someone in, depending on quality anywhere in the top 3.
      « Last Edit: Aug 09, 2014 08:37:34 pm by kelvo »
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      Reply #40: Aug 09, 2014 08:36:27 pm
      As it stands right now we won't win the title. :f_wah: but if we get that LB and CF we win. ;D

      1. Man Shitty
      2. Chelski
      3. Liverpool (if we get that proven striker and LB 1st)
      4. ManUre
      5. Gooners
      6. Spuds
      7. Everton
      8. Hull City
      9. Stoke City
      10. Newcastle
      11. Crystal Palace
      12. Aston Villa
      13. Swansea City
      14. Leicester City
      15. West Ham
      16. West Brom
      17. Sunderland
      18. Southampton
      19. Burnley
      20. Queens Park Rangers
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      Re: LFC - Premier League Finish Predictions 2014/15
      Reply #41: Aug 09, 2014 08:38:42 pm
      I can't see Man united getting better than 4th. So far they have managed to bring in a midfielder who's only quality is he can foul at a higher rate than Lucas, and a fat 18 year old left back on 150k a week for a combined 60 mil.
      They are trying to bring in: Hummels, Kroos, Di Maria, Vidal, Cuadrado, Song
      They've got a decent manager, but he's never managed in the prem before, and their team is pretty sh*t, especially their defence.

      I put us as second. We've got it in us to go all the way, but I could see us struggling to get going initially so I think 2nd is reasonable. City to win it. Chelski 3rd. Arsenal, the same place as every year. Spurs to collapse after Adebayor murders all his team mates. He just seems like that kind of guy. 
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      Re: LFC - Premier League Finish Predictions 2014/15
      Reply #42: Aug 09, 2014 08:40:53 pm
      1. Chelsea
      2. Citeh
      3. Arsenal

      I think Liverpool, Spurs, the mancs and Everton will all be fighting for the last CL spot. I think that if we don't buy a good striker we could easily finish back in 6th if Sturridge is out for a while.

      If we get a good striker and with the strengthening we have already made to the squad, I think we will finish top 4, probably fighting with Arsenal for that 3rd spot.   



      With you on that one, mate. Although I reckon we will pip Arse for 3rd spot (which I voted us to finish).

      A lot right now depends on whether or not we get that proven goalscorer. It will be difficult for us to sustain a steady challenge with only Sturridge and no one to complement him as Suarez did last season.
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      Reply #43: Aug 10, 2014 08:15:31 am
      We are gonna win the F***ing League...couldn't give a sh*t who fills the minor places.
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      Reply #44: Aug 10, 2014 08:56:41 am
      1, Liverpool
      2,Chavs
      3,Citeh
      4,Arse
      5, Munts
      6,Blueshite
      7,Spuds
           W
            H
            O

            F
           U
           C
            K
             I
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              C
               A
               R
                E
                S
      18,Stokies
      19,QPR
      20,Leicester

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      Reply #45: Aug 10, 2014 11:29:44 am
      with  new players arriving .... no Suarez  and   playing  in  the   CL   .....it is going to be very hard   to  achieve the position  we did last season ....we will be in the top  four but not
      in the top two
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      Reply #46: Aug 10, 2014 11:35:46 am
      I like to think we'll finish in the top two, possibly first, but that depends on the next two weeks.

      If we get Moreno, move Sterling up front, buy another top drawer 'striker', stick Couts in the centre, Lallana out wide, Markovic as the other wide, mix it up like we do, stay injury free, with the defence sorted, I believe we'll have a great chance to finish top. However, if it stays exactly like they are, I think we'll struggle to finish in the top four; that extra top striker opens up many more options for us

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      Reply #47: Aug 10, 2014 03:41:24 pm
      I voted 5th because I genuinely don't feel we've spent well in this window. We lack experience and talent and now look to depend upon an injury prone striker after having sold our best player. Our squad maybe stronger than last year but our "first" eleven most certainly is not. By contrast, United, Chelsea and Arsenal have all spent big in key areas and City held on to their key players. Had any other team in the Permiership taken Rodgers' scatter gun approach to transfers this Summer, not one of you would give them a prayer. I'd love to be proven wrong but if I'm not and we do finish out side of the top 4, having spent so much money on dross, for me, Rodgers' position is untenable. It might not be the popular view but at least I have the balls to come out and say it.
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      Reply #48: Aug 10, 2014 03:50:35 pm
      I voted 5th because I genuinely don't feel we've spent well in this window. We lack experience and talent and now look to depend upon an injury prone striker after having sold our best player. Our squad maybe stronger than last year but our "first" eleven most certainly is not. By contrast, United, Chelsea and Arsenal have all spent big in key areas and City held on to their key players. Had any other team in the Permiership taken Rodgers' scatter gun approach to transfers this Summer, not one of you would give them a prayer. I'd love to be proven wrong but if I'm not and we do finish out side of the top 4, having spent so much money on dross, for me, Rodgers' position is untenable. It might not be the popular view but at least I have the balls to come out and say it.

      United have failed to sign anymore defenders, and their defense looks beyond horrible. They lack another Centre mid or two as well.

      Chelsea definitely have strengthened, I will give you that.

      Arsenal got a great player in Sanchez, but he still does not play centrally. That is one thing they also lack.

      City will be strong, yet they have not spent really any money this window. Keeping their players is a good transfer window for them, they do not really need anything else.

      Winning the league will not be easy. But we have drastically improved our defense with Lovren, Manquillo and the pending transfer of Moreno. We have added quality depth as well quality players who can start, in my eyes.

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      Reply #49: Aug 10, 2014 05:24:58 pm
      United have failed to sign anymore defenders, and their defense looks beyond horrible. They lack another Centre mid or two as well.

      Chelsea definitely have strengthened, I will give you that.

      Arsenal got a great player in Sanchez, but he still does not play centrally. That is one thing they also lack.

      City will be strong, yet they have not spent really any money this window. Keeping their players is a good transfer window for them, they do not really need anything else.

      Winning the league will not be easy. But we have drastically improved our defense with Lovren, Manquillo and the pending transfer of Moreno. We have added quality depth as well quality players who can start, in my eyes.

      You have to measure our reduction in strength against their increase in strength, our "outs" against their "ins" and vice versa. We lost our best player, none of the others did. We failed to add experience to an inexperienced team, the others added experience to their already experienced teams. We weakened our key strength from last season, the others strengthened their key weak areas from last season. It's all relative. If we'd strengthened the back line, goal keeper and either kept Suarez or replaced him with a top striker, I'd say we'll put another title challenge in. As it stands, I'm not very enamoured with our signings and frankly don't think they're good enough. Like I said, hopefully they'll prove me wrong but that's how I feel.
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      Reply #50: Aug 10, 2014 06:10:38 pm
      United have failed to sign anymore defenders, and their defense looks beyond horrible. They lack another Centre mid or two as well.

      Chelsea definitely have strengthened, I will give you that.

      Arsenal got a great player in Sanchez, but he still does not play centrally. That is one thing they also lack.

      City will be strong, yet they have not spent really any money this window. Keeping their players is a good transfer window for them, they do not really need anything else.

      Winning the league will not be easy. But we have drastically improved our defense with Lovren, Manquillo and the pending transfer of Moreno. We have added quality depth as well quality players who can start, in my eyes.



      I must be the only one who thinks Fabregas is overrated and Diego Costa might struggle with the pace of the league - after all he's only had one brilliant season.

      Seriously, I watched a Champions League game with Arsenal v Barca a few years back and Wilshere looked far better than Fabregas, who was non-existent and has the leadership traits of a blindman leading an army through a minefield.

      The fact that Arsenal didn't even want him says it all (and he sure as hell was desperate to go back to Arsenal) and the fact he was meant to be the successor to Xavi in Barca - well that worked out well didn't it. Even in a declining Barca side he couldn't stamp his mark.

      Most overrated transfer this summer for sure. Plus, Chelsea don't even play to his strengths like Arsenal or Barca. A small player who is not that physically adept will see the ball fly over his head constantly at Stamford Bridge - he'll be easier to handle than Lampard.
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      Reply #51: Aug 10, 2014 06:26:14 pm
      I must be the only one who thinks Fabregas is overrated and Diego Costa might struggle with the pace of the league - after all he's only had one brilliant season.

      Seriously, I watched a Champions League game with Arsenal v Barca a few years back and Wilshere looked far better than Fabregas, who was non-existent and has the leadership traits of a blindman leading an army through a minefield.

      The fact that Arsenal didn't even want him says it all (and he sure as hell was desperate to go back to Arsenal) and the fact he was meant to be the successor to Xavi in Barca - well that worked out well didn't it. Even in a declining Barca side he couldn't stamp his mark.

      Most overrated transfer this summer for sure. Plus, Chelsea don't even play to his strengths like Arsenal or Barca. A small player who is not that physically adept will see the ball fly over his head constantly at Stamford Bridge - he'll be easier to handle than Lampard.

      Think Costa will be a big improvement for them but agree with everything you said about Fabregas. Chelsea play too much on the break and that wont play to Cesc's strengths at all, Barca should have been the perfect fit, camping outside an opponents box, flooding the penalty area with options and quick attackers all around. The fact they've let him go does seem to speak volumes.

      Rate Coutinho ahead of him already by quite a distance personally.
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      Reply #52: Aug 10, 2014 10:18:00 pm
      How the hell anyone who watched the game today can state that we have not strengthened this summer is beyond me. Lovren already looks a brilliant addition, so those Can, Lallana is proven in the premiership, Manquilo also looked very good. Yes we will miss Luis but as I've said before this team has plenty of fire power and it now looks like we are much more solid in midfield and defence. If we can add Moreno and a decent striker to the window then I really think we can push for the title
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      Reply #53: Aug 10, 2014 10:30:16 pm
      As it stands 3rd.
      World Class striker and Left Back 1st.

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      Reply #54: Aug 11, 2014 12:38:08 am
      How the hell anyone who watched the game today can state that we have not strengthened this summer is beyond me. Lovren already looks a brilliant addition, so those Can, Lallana is proven in the premiership, Manquilo also looked very good. Yes we will miss Luis but as I've said before this team has plenty of fire power and it now looks like we are much more solid in midfield and defence. If we can add Moreno and a decent striker to the window then I really think we can push for the title

      That game today was a pre-season friendly. It has little to no bearing on how we'll do this season any more than the defeat to United does. Over the course of an entire season, what happens when Sturridge gets injured? He's injury prone so it's going to happen sooner or later. Is Lambert the guy to play up front on his own, leading the attack? Is Borini, assuming he stays? What if he leaves? Or perhaps you prefer Sterling to play as a False 9? Seriously, think about this for a moment. Just how strong is our attack? You might get 10 goals from Lallana, two or three from Lovren, Sterling will probably be in double figures himself as well. But is that really going to win us the EPL or allow us to progress far in the UCL? What if Lallana or Sterling get injured too? Where are the goals going to come from then? And just how much experience do these new signings of ours have in the UCL? Can has seven appearences, Markovic has three minutes, the rest don't have any. Think about this for a moment. Have we really strengthened our attacking depth that much? If we sign a top striker with a proven goal record and a good amount of UCL experience then I'll revise my opinion but this poll has gone up before the window has closed so opinions can only be formed on the basis of what we've signed so far and with that in mind, this window has been one huge gamble for us.
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      Reply #55: Aug 11, 2014 01:48:56 pm
      I have changed from 3rd to 1st.I put 3rd because of missing Luis's goals but having seen the lads yesterday we will still score loads of goals but we will have far more clean sheets so I can see us being right up there come next May
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      Reply #56: Aug 11, 2014 02:05:55 pm
      I have changed from 3rd to 1st.I put 3rd because of missing Luis's goals but having seen the lads yesterday we will still score loads of goals but we will have far more clean sheets so I can see us being right up there come next May

      I hope Brendan is not as easily convinced as you mate or he may not even bother looking for another striker :)

      Seriously, one friendly against a team that played with a high back line that didn't seem to mind how many times we got behind them is not proof positive that we will score as freely once the season starts.

      We played great against Dortmund, that doesn't mean our problems are behind us.... just as losing to the mancs didn't mean our season was over before it started.

      The one thing I agree with is that our defence looked better than it has for a while and I am pretty confident that if we can avoid too many injuries we will not be conceding 50 goals this season.

      Sadly I don't see us scoring 100+ goals either, almost certainly not unless we bring in another good striker.
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      Reply #57: Aug 11, 2014 02:16:44 pm
      That game today was a pre-season friendly. It has little to no bearing on how we'll do this season any more than the defeat to United does. Over the course of an entire season, what happens when Sturridge gets injured? He's injury prone so it's going to happen sooner or later. Is Lambert the guy to play up front on his own, leading the attack? Is Borini, assuming he stays? What if he leaves? Or perhaps you prefer Sterling to play as a False 9? Seriously, think about this for a moment. Just how strong is our attack? You might get 10 goals from Lallana, two or three from Lovren, Sterling will probably be in double figures himself as well. But is that really going to win us the EPL or allow us to progress far in the UCL? What if Lallana or Sterling get injured too? Where are the goals going to come from then? And just how much experience do these new signings of ours have in the UCL? Can has seven appearences, Markovic has three minutes, the rest don't have any. Think about this for a moment. Have we really strengthened our attacking depth that much? If we sign a top striker with a proven goal record and a good amount of UCL experience then I'll revise my opinion but this poll has gone up before the window has closed so opinions can only be formed on the basis of what we've signed so far and with that in mind, this window has been one huge gamble for us.

      So we loose one excellent striker, gain 2 very good defender, 3 very good midfielders and 1 very useful impact sub striker and you see that as us weakening, by that reckoning when Barcelona get superman, aka Suarez, playing then they'll presumably win La Liga at a canter, the Champions League with ease etc etc. It just doesn't work that way, from what I've seen the team has plenty of goals in it but its now looks much more balanced with genuine strength in depth. I would love for us to get another striker in and I think Moreno will sign before the start of the season but even if they don't  think we will have a very good season and a damn good run in the CL.
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      Reply #58: Aug 11, 2014 02:52:17 pm
      As it stands - 4th. We get in Moreno and one or two top forwards then I feel we can be competing. If we just get in Moreno and Bony 3rd-4th, but if we in Moreno and Cavani or Reus I'd make us serious title contenders.
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      Reply #59: Aug 11, 2014 03:13:34 pm
      Bit confused, why are Arsenal going to be so much better than last season, is it just because of Sanchez? Personally I think we are a much much better team this season than last, far more options and strength in depth. Yes we'll miss Luis but there are plenty of goals in our team as it stands and if we can get another top striker in then we really should be pushing for top spot.

      This. I honestly believe that it's the way brendan sets up the team that contributes to so many goals. And with Lovren at the back I think it's going to be a solid team.

      Sterling will have a phenomenal season. I believe this boy will be one of the best players in the world within 3 seasons. Slap a £100m clause in that contact ASAP.
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      Reply #60: Aug 11, 2014 10:03:20 pm
      4th tbh gives time for the new players to settle into the side. Although after the game yesterday, perhaps I am being a bit on the cautious side. One thing for certain there will be plenty of entertaining football the way Brendan sets up the side.
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      Reply #61: Aug 12, 2014 12:09:26 am
      I can see this season being a weird one.

      1) Liverpool
      2) Manure
      3) Chelski
      4) Gunners
      5) Citee
      6) Toffees
      7) Spuds
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      Reply #62: Aug 12, 2014 06:09:12 am
      I reckon we will finish 3rd.

      I can't see past City and Chelsea for the top spots, they have strengthened their squads considerably... not necessarily the first XI but their back up are of a quality that most can't afford in their first XI. If it clicks at City they could even have the potential to genuinely battle on 4 fronts. As for Chelsea, Mourinho made a point of saying that they weren't ready last season and went on record as saying that this year will be their title charge. And if Costa even produces half of what he did for Atletico last season it will be an improvement for them up top. All bias aside, right now, I think those two are just that bit stronger than the rest of the challengers.

      I don't see Arsenal as any stronger than last season, and unless they replace Vermalen then I see them as weaker to be honest and once again without a real leader as captain. I expect the usual quick start and annual implosion around February.

      The mancs are still in their honeymoon period with Van Gaal. I do think he will have them well drilled and they will be harder to beat but aside from their Rooney, Van Persie and Mata they still lack the quality of player they used to have in abundance. I also don't think you can lose the knowledge and experience of Vidic and Ferdinand at center half and not expect to struggle? I think they will challenge for Top 4 and will end up in a race with Arsenal for 4th and maybe even Everton?

      The bitters actually have the look of a team going forward for the first time in years. Tying down the likes of Barkley and signing Barry and Lukaku permanently are signs of intent. I know very little about this Besic lad but apparently he has some quality to him. If they go out of the cups early and have a clear focus on the league they will add plenty of twists and turns. I don't think they have the quality of the "Big 5" but on their day they will cause upsets.

      I think Spurs will fall flat on their faces. They have failed to strengthen an already imbalanced side. Maybe Levy is losing interest? I think Pocchetino took on a poisoned chalice and he is being set up to fail. I reckon Newcastle will beat them to 7th.

      As for us... I think the added challenge of Champions League football will have a huge affect on us. Obviously it's a competition we want to do well in, and (Group draw permitting) a relatively "easy" group could set us up nicely in the league. Otherwise we need to be patient and accept some mistakes will be made away at Palace etc. after an away game in Europe mid week. I would expect us to get through to the knock out stages and that will take it's own toll on us, another 8 games minimum, 4 of which across europe. We also tend to forget we were knocked out of the cups very early last season, allowing us to focus solely on the league. Brendan will know it's trophies that matter, and if he thinks we have a good shot at winning a cup and finishing Top 3 he will go for it, and rightly so.

      Everyone knows what we're about now, we're not a surprise package anymore. Teams are going to look to lock us out and we are going to have a few frustrating games. Our mantra last season seemed very much a case of "We're going to outscore you". This season that won't be as straight forward and to truly progress we will need to plug the holes at the back, Lovren and Manquillo look like good starts at that. I don't want to bang the Suarez drum, but there are goals to replace. I fully expect Sterling, Coutinho and Henderson to up their goals this season as well as the new arrivals.

      If we can keep everyone fit, play the we know we can consistently and keep Anfield the fortress we have made it, then I would like to see a strong cup run, progress to the knockout stages of the Champions League, and 3rd in the League, to me that would be a success this year. When Brendan came in it was year 0. Starting over, we have been a team in transition and growing. One good title challenge doesn't mean we're the finished article. We are still growing and developing, and if we want to fight for and win the league on a consistent basis then we first have to gain Champions League football on a consistent basis, and build from there.
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      Reply #63: Aug 12, 2014 09:52:52 am
      1-Man city 2-Chelsea 3-Man utd ( a clever manager , no CL football )4- Arsenal or Liverpool ( I think arsenal will start great again but as soon as someone injured they will fall , for us we need not to lose points and have a great start)

      scum have as much chance of finishing above as the elephant man getting laid.

      1) Liverpool
      2) City
      3) Chavski
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      somewhere where nobody gives a sh*t) Scum
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      Reply #64: Aug 12, 2014 12:57:32 pm
      1. Chelsea
      2. Man City
      3. Arsenal
      4. Liverpool
      5. Mancs
      6. Spurs
      7. Newcastle
      8. Everton
      9. Stoke
      10. Hull
      11. Palace
      12. West Ham
      13. Villa
      14. Swansea
      15. QPR
      16. Southampton
      17. WBA
      18. Sunderland
      19. Leicester
      20. Burnley
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      Reply #65: Aug 12, 2014 01:34:53 pm
      Sure I saw on sly sports earlier we are 5th favourites for the league....

      staggering

      Yeah. Same assholes last year who said we would finish mid table, Rodgers would be sacked by January and that Moyes was finally going to win the Title. 

      So, they can suck my balloon knot.
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      Reply #66: Aug 12, 2014 01:54:24 pm
      I find it more staggering that some expect us to challenge for the title this season.

      We will struggle without Suarez. As many have already said, no matter what the score was at the time or how ever long was left on the clock in our games last season, as long as Luis was on the pitch I always felt like we would win. He is simply that good.

      Our attack next season is Sturridge (who will never play 50 games a season no chance) Lambert and Borini.

      I'm not being negative, I'm being realistic, and I'd take fourth right now - so we keep qualifying for Champions League football and can build year after year.

      I don't expect us to challenge for the league title for another 2 or 3 seasons.
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      Reply #67: Aug 12, 2014 02:47:30 pm
      The main thing is that we qualify for the c.l again..consistancy should be our target. If we go close or even win the league ..superb. People may be surprised again..we were written off last season and again this. A good start is vital and if we get through to xmas and are still in the mix..you never know. We always get stronger in second half of the season.
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      Reply #68: Aug 12, 2014 04:11:46 pm
      I find it more staggering that some expect us to challenge for the title this season.

      We will struggle without Suarez. As many have already said, no matter what the score was at the time or how ever long was left on the clock in our games last season, as long as Luis was on the pitch I always felt like we would win. He is simply that good.

      Our attack next season is Sturridge (who will never play 50 games a season no chance) Lambert and Borini.

      I'm not being negative, I'm being realistic, and I'd take fourth right now - so we keep qualifying for Champions League football and can build year after year.

      I don't expect us to challenge for the league title for another 2 or 3 seasons.

      Sorry but you are being a bit negative, Luis scored a lot of goals for us, 100% agree with that, were they all pivotal goals, well actually no they weren't. He actually had a fairly poor record against the top teams and a lot of his goals came in the big big wins where we won 4 or 5-1, bear in mind that it's the same points if you win 1-0 as 5-0, just ask Maureen. Now I actually think we have more creativity in the team now, more angles of attack, sure we may not match the goal tally but at the same time we won't slip in as many silly goals so I don't see why we can't do as well if not better. As for the extra games, it's only really in Europe, as mentioned the squad is considerably stronger this season so I again think we will be ok in that respect.

      I for one can't wait for the season to start now.
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      Reply #69: Aug 13, 2014 04:01:24 am
      I find it more staggering that some expect us to challenge for the title this season.

      We will struggle without Suarez. As many have already said, no matter what the score was at the time or how ever long was left on the clock in our games last season, as long as Luis was on the pitch I always felt like we would win. He is simply that good.

      Our attack next season is Sturridge (who will never play 50 games a season no chance) Lambert and Borini.

      I'm not being negative, I'm being realistic, and I'd take fourth right now - so we keep qualifying for Champions League football and can build year after year.

      I don't expect us to challenge for the league title for another 2 or 3 seasons.

      You might change your mind if we get a good result in the 2nd game of the season.  I do understand where you are coming from.  It is going to be a difficult season.  Hope we start well, but the fixtures aren't as friendly as last season.  And without probably the best player in the world last season makes all the more difficult.  It would be an amazing achievement to be challenging for the title, nevermind winning it.  With all the new recruits, back in Europe and losing an important player. 
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      Reply #70: Aug 14, 2014 11:26:11 am
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      Posted at 11:11
      "1. Liverpool, 2. Chelsea, 3. Man City, 4. Arsenal, Bottom three: Southampton, Burnley, Leicester.
      "Most people will understandably write Liverpool off having lost their best player & with the added burden of Europe again. But last season was no fluke. The runners-up have reinvested the Suarez cash wisely, and for the first time in years have proper strength in depth and a solid defence.
      "In Sterling, Coutinho and Sturridge they also possess the kind of young, attacking talent that will only improve, and which can compensate for the departure of their former talisman. Liverpool can go one better than last year, and be the surprise champions the premier league so desperately needs. There will be life after Luis, just you watch."



      I'm with this guy.
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      Reply #71: Aug 14, 2014 02:44:50 pm
      As it stands 3rd.
      World Class striker and Left Back 1st.



      So. Just go get that striker pls.
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      Reply #72: Aug 15, 2014 12:20:55 pm
      WE have made some very good signings ,the most important is still to happen IMO the striker or strikers we need in case of injury ,these will determine our position .
      Liverpool should be in the top 3 ,get the right striker and we could be first
      I dont think the owners spent over £100 million to be second ,Citah and Chelsea`s squads should  give them an edge ,but we  have bolstered our squad with some cracking talent ,its down to the managers and how good they are, 2 guys who have done nearly all you can in club football ,
      amd one guy still trying reach those heights Brendans got a great chance of winning the title,
      he needs another option up front .
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      Reply #73: Aug 15, 2014 12:32:07 pm
      1. Chelsea
      2. Manchester City
      3. Liverpool
      4. Arsenal
      5. Spurs
      6. Manchester United
      7. Everton
      8. Newcastle

      18. West Bromwich
      19. Leicester
      20. Burnley

      Two things though; 1) I would in no way be surprised we win this thing. We are quality and play the best footy in the league but the others have that ability to shut up shop with confidence. Whether that proves to be the difference we will see, and 2) ManU are fu**ed.
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      Re: LFC - Premier League Finish Predictions 2014/15
      Reply #74: Aug 15, 2014 04:57:15 pm
      I voted 4th right when this poll was put up.  With the additions of Moreno and Manquillo, I'm a bit more confident in our defensive unit.  If we can add another top notch ST and a better backup GK then I'll be expecting us to challenge for the title again, and if we don't win it we will at least finish top 3.  Can't f**king wait for Sunday so we can get this season underway!!!

      Edit:  And I'll throw out another prediction - Coutinho will be on the short list for BPL POTY this season, and if we win the league then he will scoop the award :)
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      Re: LFC - Premier League Finish Predictions 2014/15
      Reply #75: Aug 15, 2014 08:29:35 pm
      Just about every pundit out there has us finishing in 5th don't they, completely written off as one season wonders by the looks of things.

      Fu.....ck em!!!!!!!

      COME ON YOU REDMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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      Re: LFC - Premier League Finish Predictions 2014/15
      Reply #76: Aug 15, 2014 11:51:33 pm
      The banner at the top telling me to vote on this has Rodgers looking scary as F**k.
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      Re: LFC - Premier League Finish Predictions 2014/15
      Reply #77: Aug 15, 2014 11:57:17 pm
      WOW. Do i see a vote for below 15th?

      Below 15th? REALLY?!
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      Reply #78: Aug 16, 2014 12:01:37 am
      Dan Roan from the BBC predicted that Liverpool would win the league. The only journalist who's broken from the conventional belief that we will somehow slip back down the table. You couldn't have got me predicting anything brilliant a couple of weeks ago but I have to say I'm feeling more confident as we get closer and closer to the season start.

      All systems go. Prepare for lift off.
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      Re: LFC - Premier League Finish Predictions 2014/15
      Reply #79: Aug 16, 2014 12:21:16 am
      Dan Roan from the BBC predicted that Liverpool would win the league. The only journalist who's broken from the conventional belief that we will somehow slip back down the table. You couldn't have got me predicting anything brilliant a couple of weeks ago but I have to say I'm feeling more confident as we get closer and closer to the season start.

      All systems go. Prepare for lift off.

      Nice to hear some positivity. The over-reaction to how far the so called pundits think we'll fall based mostly on Suarez is ridiculous. I've voted for us to come 3rd and that's more based on the fact that we have CL than losing Suarez. I think we've done a great job improving at the back and if we get a striker I don't think winning it is out of the question at all.

      I've actually backed us because 12/1 is way too generous. Some talking about 6th-7th is insulting and disrespectful to how far we've come. It'll be nice to hear their excuses when it's thrown in their faces come May.
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      Re: LFC - Premier League Finish Predictions 2014/15
      Reply #80: Aug 16, 2014 12:25:28 am
      F**k it.

      We're going to win it.

      Can't wait now.
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      Re: LFC - Premier League Finish Predictions 2014/15
      Reply #81: Aug 16, 2014 03:12:48 am
      Take away Suarez's goals from last year and we are left with 70 goals scored by the rest of the team.

      That's still more than Tottenham scored with their star man Bale in 2012-13, and just ten short of the average goals scored with Ronaldo's Man Utd.

      Just to emphasise this is a TEAM effort, and not a team based on one individual. Can the thick English media not get it into their heads? Considering how thick English footballers are, we shouldn't be worried as such obvious idiocy carries over into their punditry careers - if anything it should be reassuring. Alan Shearer and Phil Neville can kiss the proverbials suggesting we'll be poor or 'POOOAH' in Alan's case (and F**k sake, get some elocution lessons lads - says it all when Thierry Henry and Clarence Seedorf basically speak the Queen's English compared to these IQ depleted bellends they call pundits in England).

      Who will win the title Alan?

      'Chelsea - it's the MOOR-EEEEN-YOHHHH FACTA'.

      Brilliant analysis there Alan, you complete and utter fucktard.
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      Re: LFC - Premier League Finish Predictions 2014/15
      Reply #82: Aug 16, 2014 03:21:05 am
      WOW. Do i see a vote for below 15th?

      Below 15th? REALLY?!

      Who? We will try very HARD to achieve that!

       :lmao:  :mad:
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      Re: LFC - Premier League Finish Predictions 2014/15
      Reply #83: Aug 16, 2014 04:48:18 am
      Finish above Utd, ill be happy with that. Not that it'll be hard, they'll finish around 7th again.

      2nd place, the head says.

      The heart says 1st, Strong ticker i have :)

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