Poll: The New Vice-Captain?

Something about Lovren just screams captain to me so I suppose I'd go with him, even with his lack of experience with this team (not lack of experience in general).

Hendo for me learning from the best playing along side stevie. Skrtel vice captian. Lovern looks a leader but only played 4 games Could see him as a captian of Liverpool eventually. But my choice would be Jordan Henderson just keeps getting better and better.

Baffled as to why Lovren is a preferred choice for so many having played a whopping 4 games for us.

Quite simply because neither Skrtel or Henderson have the leadership qualities needed to be considered where as Lovren does. Being a Vice or Captain isn't a reward for your loyalty or your improvement as a player, it's a leadership role within the team and you're expected to organise the players around you. Neither Skrtel nor Henderson could organise the skin off a Rice pudding. That's not a bad thing, just that some people aren't leaders. If there's one criticism of our current team it's that it lacks them and hopefully its an area that will be addressed over the coming windows.

Quite simply because neither Skrtel or Henderson have the leadership qualities needed to be considered where as Lovren does.

How do you know this?

How do you know this?

Last I checked Jordan is former captain of the under-21's probably will end up being England captain once shrek goes back to his hovel.

He is not loud on the pitch for Liverpool but I think that is him simply not steeping on SG's toes, nevertheless the passion is there.

Hard work, Determination, Respect for teamates, club & manager, smart...I really don't know what people want?

it's a leadership role within the team and you're expected to organise the players around you. Neither Skrtel nor Henderson could organise the skin off a Rice

Have no clue what this is based off of unless it is Liverpool matches and I would say that it's not Jordan's job to organize players on the pitch or be in a leadership role for Liverpool FC at this time or in the past.

Last I checked Jordan is former captain of the under-21's probably will end up being England captain once shrek goes back to his hovel.

He is not loud on the pitch for Liverpool but I think that is him simply not steeping on SG's toes, nevertheless the passion is there.

Hard work, Determination, Respect for teamates, club & manager, smart...I really don't know what people want?

Indeed AZ.

I'm starting to think that some have never actually watched Henderson at set pieces etc
Shouting, clapping his hands, gee-ing people up, pointing (organising) and generally showing leadership qualities.
Add to that, he's often the first player there after a goal is scored, first there if there's a fracas and he seems to be a genuinely popular figure, and is unselfish on the pitch.

He's already been a captain for his country at U21, and I fully expect him to captain the senior side.

I have no argument against Skrtel being vice captain, except that I think he won't be here for more than another couple of seasons at most, and I'd much rather Henderson takes on some responsibility now, as I think he will also be our future captain.

Infact, we'd signed a Pogba or someone, would Henderson be a guaranteed starter ahead of Gerrard?

Would Sturridge start ahead of Falcao? Would Lovren start ahead of Kompany?

I don't think it's a reflection on Henderson, either his ability or leadership, to ask if a £60 million rated player would start ahead of him.

Good points made on Henderson and while I think Lovren may be appointed VC, wouldn't have any issues at all with Hendo getting that honor and wouldn't be at all surprised if he does.

Hendo, he's in the mix for everything, very vocal and has the potential to be as good as, if not better, that Stevie.

I'm starting to think that some have never actually watched Henderson at set pieces etc
Shouting, clapping his hands, gee-ing people up, pointing (organising) and generally showing leadership qualities.
Add to that, he's often the first player there after a goal is scored, first there if there's a fracas and he seems to be a genuinely popular figure, and is unselfish on the pitch.

He's already been a captain for his country at U21, and I fully expect him to captain the senior side.

I have no argument against Skrtel being vice captain, except that I think he won't be here for more than another couple of seasons at most, and I'd much rather Henderson takes on some responsibility now, as I think he will also be our future captain.

Yep.

Every inch Captain material.

Whether Hendo is made VC or not, it's a testament to the lad on how far he has improved in the last 2 years under Rodgers that he would even be considered for the role. He had become a player many of us weren't bothered about staying but now we are missing a key player when he doesn't play.

Whether Hendo is made VC or not, it's a testament to the lad on how far he has improved in the last 2 years under Rodgers that he would even be considered for the role. He had become a player many of us weren't bothered about staying but not we are missing a key player when he doesn't play.

Yep, I'm in this boat with you too mate. I actually voted for the lad, not convinced he will get the captains armband but as vice captain he's certainly done enough to deserve it.

I'm starting to think that some have never actually watched Henderson at set pieces etc
Shouting, clapping his hands, gee-ing people up, pointing (organising) and generally showing leadership qualities.
Add to that, he's often the first player there after a goal is scored, first there if there's a fracas and he seems to be a genuinely popular figure, and is unselfish on the pitch.

He's already been a captain for his country at U21, and I fully expect him to captain the senior side.   

I have no argument against Skrtel being vice captain, except that I think he won't be here for more than another couple of seasons at most, and I'd much rather Henderson takes on some responsibility now, as I think he will also be our future captain.

bingo.

Hendo has demonstrated a lot of captain qualities... he is just so overlooked by so many people it is shocking really.  Another quality I really like about hendo, he knows if Gerrard is on the pitch, he lets Gerrard be the big dog and he puts his head down and does all the grunt work.  remember the games when gerrard was injured last season,  hendo stepped up to the plate and we played some beautiful football.

plus, if you watch the game and if the play is stopped, hendo is usually screaming out instructions or making sure the lads are on alert.  also ffs, other teams fans.. even our own fans underrate hendo so much.  yes he might not be super gifted but his technical level is still pretty high.  that pass last game to sterling.  First he takes ball from sturridge, plays with his head up and knows who is around him and passes perfectly to sterling.... that is not easy to do.   plus every team needs a work horse. I am confident when I say that our dear hendo if we are in extra time in a CL match.. at 118 mins in,  hendo still will have the energy to blast down the pitch for an attacking and track back to help with defense.  That is one sub spot BR can save on.   And we should all realize how important a sub spot is from our game with mancity.   


having captained the u21 side doesn't hurt either.  obviously those managers that work with him in person seem to see something a lot of us couch managers aren't seeing through the screen of a tv

I think it has to Henderson for me.

Gerrard will not last forever, and if a replacement is to be found, I prefer it to be someone you can carry the mantle for a good while.

Although Škrtel is only 29 and Henderson a mere 24, when Stevie does hand up his boots, Škrtel may be a good few years older.

So rather than an "ageing" player getting the armband, I'd give it to someone with a bit more longevity.

I think it has to Henderson for me.

Gerrard will not last forever, and if a replacement is to be found, I prefer it to be someone you can carry the mantle for a good while.

Although Škrtel is only 29 and Henderson a mere 24, when Stevie does hand up his boots, Škrtel may be a good few years older.

So rather than an "ageing" player getting the armband, I'd give it to someone with a bit more longevity.

I know what you're getting at but if Rodgers sees Skrtel as the most suitable replacement, I don't really think age would matter. It's not like we are limited to the amount of changes we can do. If Skrtel is 31, and Rodgers feels he would be the best leader, why would he give that up?

That's just speaking generally, I would have Lovren or Hendo as the next captain.

I think it has to Henderson for me.

Gerrard will not last forever, and if a replacement is to be found, I prefer it to be someone you can carry the mantle for a good while.

Although Škrtel is only 29 and Henderson a mere 24, when Stevie does hand up his boots, Škrtel may be a good few years older.

So rather than an "ageing" player getting the armband, I'd give it to someone with a bit more longevity.

To be honest I would be a little surprised if Skrtel is still at the club when Gerrard retires. That isn't a criticism of him in anyway, just that by then he will be in his 30's and if Ilori makes the break through then I can see Skrtel going.

To be honest I would be a little surprised if Skrtel is still at the club when Gerrard retires. That isn't a criticism of him in anyway, just that by then he will be in his 30's and if Ilori makes the break through then I can see Skrtel going.

Pretty much my thought....it is also possible that by the time he comes back from injury that Lovren/Sahko have gelled somewhat where that pairing is the new #1.

I don't know maybe because of getting behind him when he first came in or the fact that he works so damn hard and you never hear him complain or be even a niggle of an issue I really like Henderson.

In fact I was in Best Buy here in Arizona last week and an employee from Lancaster? saw me with Liverpool cap on and asked me who my favorite player was, I responded Henderson and his response was "right proper footballer that Henderson"

http://www.espnfc.com/club/liverpool/364/blog/post/2019641/jordan-henderson-should-be-liverpools-new-vice-captain

http://www.espnfc.com/club/liverpool/364/blog/post/2019641/jordan-henderson-should-be-liverpools-new-vice-captain

Pretty much says it all there FL

Some great posting above from many of you, and all have made great points in regards to who may get VC,

You'll get no argument from me if Hendo got it, nor indeed if it were to be Lovren, however,
Imo I think it should be handed to Lovren because he for me has more leadership qualities than Jordan,  he has more experience in that role, also I believe he will see things better from the back and  more able to organise, dictate and give support to those closest to him,

There is no doubt that Jordan has great potential and has the warewithal to become a great leader, but for me he needs to gain more experience, 

I hope that Gerrard keeps going for perhaps another two seasons so that within that time Jordan will have gained the experience necessary to lead like Stevie does now,

Meanwhile getting back to Lovren,  yep ok he may have only played 4 games for us thus far,  but I think we can all see and understanding why Brendan brought him here in the first instance, 
We missed Carragher last season, a lot more than people realise Imo,  it's blatantly clear Brendan recognised this frailty also,

Hence the acquisition of Lovren with his leadership qualities, for me, Jordan's the future, but Lovren for the immediate future.

As for Skrtel, although he has served us with distinction I don't believe he has the qualities to be a out and out leader of men, only my opinion of course.

YNWA

If you served the club for 15 years, you still may not be captain or v captain material.  That honour really goes to players who can take verbal control and command in a game. Organise and instruct, encourage and cajole. Some players are naturally like that, and would still be, whatever trade they worked in.
I think Henderson gives 100% every game physically, but a leader of men vocally ? I don't think so. You can't always lead by example and get a response from others, who may not be as strong in the same attributes, to be able to respond.
Lovren on the other hand, may not have the same engine as Hendo, but his natural leadership skills have already proved to be a great asset. As for only being at the club for a short while, no problem. If the cap fits as they say. Also, I think Hendo would become too pre occupied with players around him, and would lose some of his consistency while worrying about others. Think the cap would be to big for him, even though he's proved me wrong, and become the player I thought he never would.
Skrtel ? been around a while, and had some good seasons, but doesn't have the capability to organise or that would have been evident some time ago. He seems to be a better player when he's along side some one who does the organising and the vocals, just like Carra. And Carra never became what he was, after years of service, that was always in the make up of the man. So it has to be Lovren for me, but may be keep everyone waiting a while before its decided.

If you served the club for 15 years, you still may not be captain or v captain material.  That honour really goes to players who can take verbal control and command in a game. Organise and instruct, encourage and cajole. Some players are naturally like that, and would still be, whatever trade they worked in.
I think Henderson gives 100% every game physically, but a leader of men vocally ? I don't think so. You can't always lead by example and get a response from others, who may not be as strong in the same attributes, to be able to respond.
Lovren on the other hand, may not have the same engine as Hendo, but his natural leadership skills have already proved to be a great asset. As for only being at the club for a short while, no problem. If the cap fits as they say. Also, I think Hendo would become too pre occupied with players around him, and would lose some of his consistency while worrying about others. Think the cap would be to big for him, even though he's proved me wrong, and become the player I thought he never would.
Skrtel ? been around a while, and had some good seasons, but doesn't have the capability to organise or that would have been evident some time ago. He seems to be a better player when he's along side some one who does the organising and the vocals, just like Carra. And Carra never became what he was, after years of service, that was always in the make up of the man. So it has to be Lovren for me, but may be keep everyone waiting a while before its decided.

So he is supposed to shout over Gerrard and basically do what the current Captain does on the pitch?

Its one thing running the back 4 as Lovren does but being the Captain of the club is much more involved than just organizing on the pitch..you are the face and leader of the squad not just on but off the pitch as well.

I think Jordan is much more vocal and passionate than you think he is just not going to yell over the top of Stevie and usurp his authority as current captain.