The Treatment Room - Discussion of Injuries

Just an idea for a new thread. Instead of spreading the discussion on injuries between different player threads, (eg. Sturridge injury discussion on the Balotelli/Borini player threads), we could localise it all on here.

Personally think we're well-set to deal with this latest blow. Plenty match-winners amongst Balo, Lambert, Lallana, Markovic, Coutinho, Hendo, Stevie and Raheem.

Let's just hope there won't be any of this in the treatment room (10 points to anyone who can guess the game screenshot)!

So then, any news on the thigh injury?

Or more graphics - I'm fine with either 

[Daniel Sturridge                           Thigh strain                             3 weeks

Jon Flannaga                                 Knee                                      Expected back next week

Glen Johnson                                 Hip                                        3/4 weeks

Martin Skrtel                                 knee                                        2 weeks

Assaidi                                        knee cartilage                          no return date [/center]

Thought glen's was his hammy?

Thought glen's was his hammy?

Not a 'mental' issue again then?

Let's just hope there won't be any of this in the treatment room (10 points to anyone who can guess the game screenshot)!

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If it's not that you're 1 ahead of the game because save image says it's that!

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If it's not that you're 1 ahead of the game because save image says it's that!

 

And that's why I'm not working for MI5! Shame - for a moment I thought there was another kindred spirit who played F22 on Mega drive.

Another red injured while under Woy's England
 Hendo limped out of the training session in Switzerland
http://www.ourkop.com/2014/09/08/henderson-suffers-injury-with-england/
 Oh how I hate these international breaks,, lets hope its not serious, we know what we lost last 3 games of last season

YNWA

The Owl is on a mission to injure all our players.

Any news on how long will Studge be actually out? Hendo?

Damn it Woy

Any news on how long will Studge be actually out? Hendo?

Damn it Woy

Looks like Hendo will play for England.
F**k.

The owl is determined to punish his former employers. Good luck trying to find your seat at Anfield next time, woy!

Emre Can, Studge and Henderson may have a niggle....brilliant international break for us then...

Emre Can, Studge and Henderson may have a niggle....brilliant international break for us then...

Allen as well. Bit thin in the middle of the park all of a sudden.

Allen as well. Bit thin in the middle of the park all of a sudden.

Lallana and Lucas can come back into the squad, Henderson is alright isn't he?

BR affirming what we all suspected (i.e. that Sturrdige's injury is Roy Hodgson's fault):

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/29158191

BR affirming what we all suspected (i.e. that Sturrdige's injury is Roy Hodgson's fault):

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/29158191

when I used to play in youth teams training was often Monday and Thursday evenings and sometimes I wouldn't even be able to walk very much Tuesdays and Fridays so I had to miss some school days and even the day after that I could feel it in the groin area. I was a number 10 like player. Rodgers is right when he says pacey attackers need a bit more downtime. I thought Sturridge should have came off at half time against Norway.

when I used to play in youth teams training was often Monday and Thursday evenings and sometimes I wouldn't even be able to walk very much Tuesdays and Fridays so I had to miss some school days and even the day after that I could feel it in the groin area. I was a number 10 like player. Rodgers is right when he says pacey attackers need a bit more downtime. I thought Sturridge should have came off at half time against Norway.

I agree, plus Roy is a tw*t and f***in stupid. He almost broke Mr Duracell too

Got to feel for Flanno.

From The Echo:

Jon Flanagan facing extended absence after operation on his left knee

Liverpool full-back Jon Flanagan is facing an extended spell on the sidelines after undergoing surgery on his left knee.

The Reds expect to be without the 21-year-old Academy graduate for a number of months after his hopes of a comeback were dashed.

Flanagan has been hampered by fluid on his knee since the club's pre-season tour of America and hasn't featured since July's friendly against Preston.

He was scheduled to return to full training this month but with Flanagan still in discomfort the decision was taken for him to go under the knife.

It has been a frustrating summer for the young defender, who is close to signing a new long-term contract.

He has been unable to kick on from last season when he firmly established himself in Brendan Rodgers' side and saw his outstanding form rewarded with a full England debut against Ecuador in June.

The Reds will also be without the injured Daniel Sturridge, Joe Allen, Emre Can and Glen Johnson for Saturday's trip to West Ham.

Martin Skrtel is fit to return and Lazar Markovic is available after suspension.

Got to feel for Flanno.

From The Echo:

Jon Flanagan facing extended absence after operation on his left knee

Liverpool full-back Jon Flanagan is facing an extended spell on the sidelines after undergoing surgery on his left knee.

The Reds expect to be without the 21-year-old Academy graduate for a number of months after his hopes of a comeback were dashed.

Flanagan has been hampered by fluid on his knee since the club's pre-season tour of America and hasn't featured since July's friendly against Preston.

He was scheduled to return to full training this month but with Flanagan still in discomfort the decision was taken for him to go under the knife.

It has been a frustrating summer for the young defender, who is close to signing a new long-term contract.

He has been unable to kick on from last season when he firmly established himself in Brendan Rodgers' side and saw his outstanding form rewarded with a full England debut against Ecuador in June.

The Reds will also be without the injured Daniel Sturridge, Joe Allen, Emre Can and Glen Johnson for Saturday's trip to West Ham.

Martin Skrtel is fit to return and Lazar Markovic is available after suspension.

Hard road back for Red Cafu.
Two young fullbacks flourishing while he deals with his injuries.

Patience and good luck kiddo.

Let's just hope there won't be any of this in the treatment room (10 points to anyone who can guess the game screenshot)!

In that case, make sure we don't send them to any doctors surgery in Huyton then   http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-29254609

Feel for Flanno. The curse of a full back eh?

HNS | CFF ‏@HNS_CFF 54 mins
Gordon Schildenfeld will replace injured Dejan Lovren in Croatian squad for @EuroQualifiers. Good luck with recovery to @DejanLovrenLFC6

Any news on how long he is out? Skrtel-Toure pairing then..

Skrtel-Toure pairing then

That'll be interesting against Madrid.

Can and Allen back in training next week
Sakho out till end of Oct, Flano till end of Nov & Suso till end of Dec

HNS | CFF ‏@HNS_CFF 54 mins
Gordon Schildenfeld will replace injured Dejan Lovren in Croatian squad for @EuroQualifiers. Good luck with recovery to @DejanLovrenLFC6

Any news on how long he is out? Skrtel-Toure pairing then..

Abdominal injury could he anything  from 3 weeks to 3 months. Hopefully it's only a minor strain.

Is it true that Markovic is playing tonight's game? So the "injury" was just a wrong guess?

nice to get can, allen & studger back, but ffs, lovren is a blow.

Is it true that Markovic is playing tonight's game? So the "injury" was just a wrong guess?

He was taken off injured, but they did say it wasn't as bad as originally feared.

nice to get can, allen & studger back, but ffs, lovren is a blow.

Saw pictures of Lovren back in training with the other lads

Saw pictures of Lovren back in training with the other lads

I think he's trying to say it's a blow to have Lovren back.

Anyway

Great to have so many players coming back into the squad.
Sturridge, Allen, Can. Badly needed. Lets kick on.

All who have been missed have been badly missed, will be great to have them back.

Sturridge, Allen, Can.

Can't help but feel we'd have been much better off this season so far had they not been injured. Stupid Internationals!!

Discussion of injuries:

The irony doesn't escape me when I say I'm sick of reading about our sick players.

Discussion of injuries:

The irony doesn't escape me when I say I'm sick of reading about our sick players.

It's bloody typical; just put Sturridge in my Fantasy team.

Have we got another sick note in Sturridge?  So F***ing pissed off with our luck when it comes to injuries.

Sturridge has blew my mind since he came to Liverpool but why is he so prone to injuries? Probably can't be answered but we had to make contingency plans this season and every new season because this is a fact.
Controversially is he modicodled? Are players wrapped up in cotton wool too much?

James Pearce ‏@JamesPearceEcho  · 15 mins15 minutes ago 
Rodgers: “Daniel has pulled his calf. He’s looking at being out for another 2 to 4 weeks. It’s a big blow."

For those that don't know 

It's one of those things. Probably brought on by trying to come back too quick after oyster features f****d him over. We'll survive, even though Daniel is a top class player. Get well soon son.

Something we just need to get used to with Daniel, Just seems like his body is not robust enough to play a full season injury free.

Something we just need to get used to with Daniel, Just seems like his body is not robust enough to play a full season injury free.

Doesn't look like he'll make half a season at this rate 

Studge.

Rodgers says that its OK.
Dont worry .

Thats why we "bulked up" in the summer. He says.


I bulked up in the summer whilst having medical treatment.
It didnt mean I was well.


NO recognized striker. 
What we have is a complete waste of space.
Balotelli ? Borini ?  Lambert?

They aint scaring anyone.

FFS,  can it get any f***in worse,  can't f***in believe it, I was thinking that this is where our season starts,  batter QPR,  get a  cl win or draw against Real M and see our confidence soar,now it's yet another set back, he's out what 4 weeks?,  then it's yet another of those f***in international breaks another week or two taking us into mid November,
That's almost 3 months, a third of the season gone,
January can't come quick enough,  in the meantime tho, with Daniel injured,  Raheem knackered,  Mario mis-firing, Lambert mis-placed and Borini mis-taken, what the F**k?
 
I'm not sure about this but can we recall loanee players back before the loan term expires,?  I'm sure we can,  if so I'd get Ibe back for cover,  we can't afford to use Raheem for every game when he's already vulnerable,  last thing we need is to lose him, also
, it's clear Balo needs a partner up front,  is it time Borini was given a run of games, perhaps that's all he needs, a run of games, a confidence boost, for me Balo on his own doesn't work so why not try a Balo / Borini pairing, tbh, we ain't got many other options have we ?

Your thoughts please?

YNWA

Horrible news to wake up to this morning, really feel for Sturridge and of course it's a massive blow to our season. Our top scorer is currently Raheem with 3 goals, Balotelli really needs to step up and start putting away chances, though I don't place the blame for his slow start entirely on his shoulders, the team in general hasn't played too well and hasn't created many chances for him or the other strikers.

With Sturridge out even longer, I'm hoping that Coutinho can rediscover his form, when he's at his best he creates a lot of chances and has the ability to score more than he's done so far.

As for bringing back loanees, the obvious one is Origi. There was a tabloid piece somewhere that said Rodgers had asked to bring him back in January, as apparently we don't have a clause in there to recall him. Maybe a fee would be involved? I'm not sure but I'd be very open to the idea of bringing him in ASAP.

it's clear Balo needs a partner up front,  is it time Borini was given a run of games, perhaps that's all he needs, a run of games, a confidence boost, for me Balo on his own doesn't work so why not try a Balo / Borini pairing, tbh, we ain't got many other options have we ?

Risk going off-topic really, but with Allen and Can coming back, we have options in central midfield.

I'd much rather take a punt on Balotelli up front with Gerrard tucked in behind, it feels like we're missing a decisive spark in the final third, and maybe Stevie could be the key (out of our current squad at least!)?

I'd much rather take a punt on Balotelli up front with Gerrard tucked in behind, it feels like we're missing a decisive spark in the final third, and maybe Stevie could be the key (out of our current squad at least!)?

As tempting as that might be I'm just not sure Gerrard has got the pace and movement to do that job anymore.  But seeing as we won't know know till we find out worth a punt!  Either way - there has to be somebody within 20 yards of Balotelli or it's going to be another long afternoon.

Your thoughts please?

Any half decent goal scorers currently unattached to a club?

Risk going off-topic really, but with Allen and Can coming back, we have options in central midfield.

I'd much rather take a punt on Balotelli up front with Gerrard tucked in behind, it feels like we're missing a decisive spark in the final third, and maybe Stevie could be the key (out of our current squad at least!)?

That could work Ayrton but only short term, like JD I'm not sure Stevie has the legs anymore to carry him thru 90+ mins in that position,  Allen & Can are respective midfielders and not prolific goal getters per se,
What I was alluding to was Fabio's run of games for Sunderland last season,  he's not the quality we need I know but as a partner to Balo it could work out short term, I think it's no more a risk than playing Stevie in behind Balo?

YNWA

Any news on Lucas?

Liverpool centre-back Mamadou Sakho is expected to be out for 'another couple of weeks' with a thigh injury, assistant manager Colin Pascoe explained today.

Full story: http://www.liverpoolfc.com/news/latest-news/173318-latest-injury-update-on-mamadou-sakho

Liverpool centre-back Mamadou Sakho is expected to be out for 'another couple of weeks' with a thigh injury, assistant manager Colin Pascoe explained today.

More game time for Lovren and Skrtel then. How long do you think it will take for the two to finally gel with each other.. will they ever?

All your key questions answered about Liverpool FC striker Daniel Sturridge’s latest injury blow

Footballer-turned-physio Chris Malkin gives his expert insight into striker’s problems

The injury curse has struck again for Daniel Sturridge, who is facing yet another lay-off after straining his thigh in training.

Scans confirmed on Wednesday that the Liverpool forward has suffered a grade two tear and will be out for six weeks.

It is a big blow for Liverpool and a big personal setback for the 25-year-old, who has missed his club’s last 14 games with thigh and calf injuries.

Sturridge’s career has been punctuated by a series of injury issues and this latest problem has left Reds fans asking how so much misfortune can befall one player.

So the ECHO spoke to Chris Malkin, the former Tranmere Rovers striker who is now a qualified physiotherapist running his own clinic in Heswall, and got him to answer six key questions about Sturridge and his injury issues.

How will he have picked up the injury?

Chris Malkin (CM): Most likely, the muscle involved is called the rectus femoris. This is the most common of the quadricep muscles to be injured. The quadriceps are made up of four muscles, but this is an important muscle because it works over both the hip and the knee, so it’s a common muscle to get injured.

It’s right at the front of the thigh and most footballers term it the kicking muscle. That’s a common way to strain it, by striking a ball. You can also do it by sprinting or by over-stretching.

How severe is a grade two strain?

CM: With muscle fibres, you have a grade one muscle strain, which means there is some disruption of muscle fibres but no real loss of power. A grade two muscle strain is more severe, quite a significant disruption of muscle fibres. Alongside that comes pain and a loss of power. Grade three is a complete rupture of the muscle.

A grade one strain might disrupt 5% or 10% of muscle fibres, but grade two would be in excess of that. But it’s a little bit of a grey area, it might be 20% or it might be 40%.

There will definitely be an injury, a structural injury.
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Will he be fully recovered in six weeks?

CM: Once a muscle has been injured, it does develop some weakness. There’s some scar tissue there. They’re saying it’s a separate thigh injury to his original one. At the end of the day, whichever it is, it’s a weak link in his kinetic chain. If he’s working hard, working intensely, the first muscle that’s going to say ‘I’m not happy here’ is the injured one. It’s a weak link, he’s got this inherent weakness in his quadricep, his thigh muscle.

He’s going to have to be treated with kid gloves because they can’t afford for it to happen again.

How will this affect him mentally?

CM: The problem, psychologically, will be confidence - confidence striking a ball, confidence sprinting, confidence going back out over that white line to play at a high level of elite football.

He’s broken down a couple of times now. He needs to make sure he’s right when he gets back playing but the pressure is on. Liverpool want him in their team. The manager wants him in his team, Sturridge wants to be out there. That’s part of the psychological problem, as an injured footballer. It’s a pressure he doesn’t want on him. He’s not free from injury.

That’s part of being an injured player. It’s difficult when you’ve got pressures coming from all round.

What will his rehab involve?

CM: This muscle tear has got to heal, and that will take time. The fibres are disrupted so there’s a gap between the muscles. These fibres have to re-infiltrate the area and bring the muscle back together.

Initially he might just be icing. Then he’ll get some electrotherapy treatment to help with the way the collagen reforms, then he’ll go into a gentle stretching regime. The stretching regime will get more sustained so he needs to regain a pain-free stretch on his thigh muscle.

Once all that happens, he can start strengthening it. But he needs to strengthen both the thigh muscle because it both straighten the knee, and the hip flexors, because this muscle works on both joints.

Alongside that he’ll be doing his core strengthening. Then he’ll gradually be getting back into more jogging, biking and swimming, before he can get out there.

If it’s a six-week thing, the first two weeks might just be cajoling along this injury, gradually getting a pain-free stretch. He’ll need to keep his cardiovascular fitness going, while protecting this injured area. It’s a fine art.

The medical staff will be doing everything they can to get him right.

Sturridge has a reputation of being injury prone. Why do some players need wrapping in cotton wool more than others?

CM: These days they screen the players and try to give them the best of a training regime to suit what kind of player they are. He’s a quick player, he’s got fast-tech fibres. He had this routine of resting more, which may or not have contributed to his original thigh injury.

Biomanaically, he will be assessed. He will be on a core strengthening pilates regime specifically tailored to his needs.

There’s no rushing back from an injury if he’s feeling unsure with it. It’ll take as long as it takes.

Echo

Bugger

Bugger

double bugger and treble bugger

Listened to a good pod today and they had a sports psycologist on discussing the similarities of our last season to Dortmunds. Both teams okay extremely high tempo games, both have players with high acceleration burst of paces. Both have had internationals play the WC. Both are experiencing massive under performance and injuries - granted Dortmund have worse injuries.

Most players would have a summer off to relax after such a crazy draining season that was last year. But Studge, for instance, went off and played in the WC thus not getting the rest he needed to recover.

Food for thought.