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      Liverpool Without the SAS

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      Diego LFC
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      Re: Liverpool Without the SAS
      Reply #46: Dec 10, 2014 02:34:24 pm
      Agree on both the movie comparison and the formation suggestion.
      Sterling. False 9.

      I've been an advocate of either giving Borini a proper chance (at least he would offer us movement, the lack of which is seriously degrading the performances of players like Sterling and Coutinho) or simply playing with no strikers, but enough attacking players - a bit like we did near the end of the game against Basel.

      Given that Borini is hardly much of a goal threat, I'd be inclined to try the second option for our next few games. I'd play all of Markovic, Coutinho, Lallana and Sterling.
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      Re: Liverpool Without the SAS
      Reply #47: Dec 10, 2014 03:19:42 pm
      I've been an advocate of either giving Borini a proper chance (at least he would offer us movement, the lack of which is seriously degrading the performances of players like Sterling and Coutinho) or simply playing with no strikers, but enough attacking players - a bit like we did near the end of the game against Basel.

      Given that Borini is hardly much of a goal threat, I'd be inclined to try the second option for our next few games. I'd play all of Markovic, Coutinho, Lallana and Sterling.

      We played better without a striker last night.

      Lallana and Markovic either side of Sterling,
      would have a lot of pace and movement.

      Maybe Coutinho with Sterling and Markovic.

      Allows us to use the midfield system from last season.
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      Re: Liverpool Without the SAS
      Reply #48: Dec 10, 2014 03:24:15 pm
      We played better without a striker last night.

      Lallana and Markovic either side of Sterling,
      would have a lot of pace and movement.

      Maybe Coutinho with Sterling and Markovic.

      Allows us to use the midfield system from last season.

      Cant believe we are discussing this :(

      Because it means we did sh*t with the Suarez transfer money. You lose an irreplaceable player, you get the second best thing. We just got a crapload of average guys, and correct me if im wrong, we didnt even spend the whole amount
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      Reply #49: Dec 10, 2014 03:27:00 pm
      Cant believe we are discussing this :(

      Because it means we did sh*t with the Suarez transfer money. You lose an irreplaceable player, you get the second best thing. We just got a crapload of average guys, and correct me if im wrong, we didnt even spend the whole amount

      We spent more than just the Suarez money.
      Yet here we are discussing the merits of playing with no strikers, because none of our new strikers suit how we played last season.
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      Reply #50: Dec 10, 2014 03:32:38 pm
      Agree on both the movie comparison and the formation suggestion.
      Sterling. False 9.

      But Stirling shits himself in front of goal more often than not.

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      Reply #51: Dec 10, 2014 04:49:25 pm
      But Stirling shits himself in front of goal more often than not.



      Sterling probably needs a bit of a rest.
      For a player at his age we are overplaying him.

      Maybe give Markovic and himself time in the false 9.
      Didn't Markovic play more centrally at times before he arrived here.
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      Reply #52: Dec 10, 2014 07:05:28 pm
      We spent more than just the Suarez money.
      Yet here we are discussing the merits of playing with no strikers, because none of our new strikers suit how we played last season.

      Last season we had two strikers in Godlike form, that made the whole team elevate their performance. That becomes clearer every day. Sterling Hendo, Cou, and even the Skipper havent been able to replicate last years form. We didnt just "lose" two players (one who didnt want to be here, and one who is injured), those players were, as it turns out, the ones that made everyone else around them look good. And in addition, forced opposing teams to think twice before attacking us.

      Now our Def is exposed for what it is and was: average at best
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      Re: Liverpool Without the SAS
      Reply #53: Dec 10, 2014 07:20:21 pm
      We didnt just "lose" two players (one who didnt want to be here, and one who is injured), those players were, as it turns out, the ones that made everyone else around them look good.

      There is another way of seeing this though.

      Obviously, having Suarez and Sturridge upfront has made everyone's lives much easier - that much is true for every team with top quality forwards.

      However, it is not simply the case that the rest of the team was mediocre and made to look good with Suarez (players like Coutinho, Sterling and Henderson are, in my opinion, far better than that), but mostly due to the fact that the players replacing Suarez/Sturridge are at best average and, perhaps crucially, of a totally different type that hardly suits the style the rest of the team grew accustomed with.

      A key thing to remember, for instance, is that, despite being inconsistent, Raheem Sterling remains the u-21 player with most chances created in the top 5 European leagues this season. His quality is beyond question IMO. He'll be good whether he plays with Suarez and Sturridge or not, but any quick creative player will struggle and have his performances degraded when playing with either a lazy f**ker like Balotelli or the very immobile Lambert in front of him. You don't need Suarez to see Sterling's quality, just give him more suitable partners and he'll look better, of course - football is a team sport.

      We probably would be a worse team without Suarez irrespective of replacement (as I think only Messi and Ronaldo are above him in terms of talent) but I think there's a tendency to dismiss the rest of the squad way too easily (all that "one man team" crap that ignored the fact we actually had a pretty good record without Suarez), and this is a short sighted view in my opinion.
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      Re: Liverpool Without the SAS
      Reply #54: Dec 10, 2014 08:07:59 pm
       :f_wah: :f_wah: :f_wah:just watching Luis and Mascherano £100mil worth of talent. :f_wah: :f_wah: :f_wah:
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      Re: Liverpool Without the SAS
      Reply #55: Dec 10, 2014 08:32:49 pm
      :f_wah: :f_wah: :f_wah:just watching Luis and Mascherano £100mil worth of talent. :f_wah: :f_wah: :f_wah:

      Priceless.
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      Re: Liverpool Without the SAS
      Reply #56: Dec 10, 2014 08:39:43 pm

      Stick Masch and Luis in last nights team and its a different result.Boy do we have some very average players now and that's ok unless you have an average manager too
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      Re: Liverpool Without the SAS
      Reply #57: Dec 10, 2014 10:22:27 pm
      With a seemingly ageing captain, top scorer in the side with 5 goals, a very suspect 'keeper & equally suspect defence. Without the SAS partnership,to paper over the cracks we are f*cked I am afraid.
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      Reply #58: Dec 10, 2014 10:23:54 pm
      With a seemingly ageing captain, top scorer in the side with 5 goals, a very suspect 'keeper & equally suspect defence. Without the SAS partnership,to paper over the cracks we are f*cked I am afraid.

      it would appear that way wouldn't it.
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      Re: Liverpool Without the SAS
      Reply #59: Dec 10, 2014 10:26:07 pm
      Afraid so mate.
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      Re: Liverpool Without the SAS
      Reply #60: Dec 10, 2014 10:39:00 pm
      liverpool without SAS is lost,apsolutely lost
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      Re: Liverpool Without the SAS
      Reply #61: Dec 10, 2014 10:41:10 pm
      Luis scored one and made one tonight
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      Re: Liverpool Without the SAS
      Reply #62: Dec 10, 2014 11:34:48 pm
      Liverpool without both of their best players (who just so happen to be their front two) are nowhere near so good as they were when both were playing. Who would have thought it?
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      Reply #63: Dec 10, 2014 11:45:46 pm
      Liverpool without both of their best players (who just so happen to be their front two) are nowhere near so good as they were when both were playing. Who would have thought it?

      That's the thing about common sense.
      It's not so common.

      Lost the league's two top scorers.
      It's sent us back to square one.
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      Reply #64: Dec 11, 2014 02:59:57 am
      Liverpool without both of their best players (who just so happen to be their front two) are nowhere near so good as they were when both were playing. Who would have thought it?

      Yeah, strange.
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      Re: Liverpool Without the SAS
      Reply #65: Dec 11, 2014 04:12:14 am
      also we changed our entire style to suit those two players and had a team built around them. woah imagine if we struggled the next season without them. wouldn't that be strange. we would have to call for our managers head instantly i reckon. try to start again with another young manager. 12 months should do it!

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