Pre Match: Ludogorets v Liverpool Weds 26th Nov 7:45 kick off

If we lose this, say 2-0, then does that mean we are officially out of the competition? Forgive me but I cannot whether it's determined by h2h or goal difference in the group stage (it's been that long).

Yes ... with 2-0 we wont be able to finish above ludogorets ... who will have a better h2h. We will be out.

If we lose this, say 2-0, then does that mean we are officially out of the competition? Forgive me but I cannot whether it's determined by h2h or goal difference in the group stage (it's been that long).

I think if we lose 3-2 to Ludo (meaning we have more away goals) then beat Basel by 2 (assuming both lose to Real) we should be through.

They won't be shitting it at all, I do agree! They will go into this game thinking we are there for the taking and they are bang on if they are thinking that.

That may be their undoing...if they think they are going to turn us over and they go out of the gates that way we may very well bag this one early.

That may be their undoing...if they think they are going to turn us over and they go out of the gates that way we may very well bag this one early.

We do go into this game as clear underdogs.

That may be their undoing...if they think they are going to turn us over and they go out of the gates that way we may very well bag this one early.

The point was that they shouldnt be even considering that scenario. They should be just rolling over and taking it... We are Liverpool. But the name doesnt inspire much fear at the moment.

Hopefully we can get our win and move on to the next stage, and then anything can happen

They probably think a couple of set pieces and bingo.

So depressing seeing 5 pages of a pre match thread when we very rarely saw that when we were winning Hope we turn it around today.

If we lose it could be lights out. Hopefully thats motivation enough to get the lads inspired and get any kind of win. It's going to be tough but hopefully we can do it.

Lucas and Can have to play, as does Lallana. Don't care who fills in around them as long as it isn't Lovren.

Time for another coffee.

The point was that they shouldnt be even considering that scenario. They should be just rolling over and taking it... We are Liverpool. But the name doesnt inspire much fear at the moment.

Hopefully we can get our win and move on to the next stage, and then anything can happen

I don't think any team worth anything just rolls over and takes it...especially in the CL. That's a foolish notion.

I don't think any team worth anything just rolls over and takes it...especially in the CL. That's a foolish notion.

Schalke?

Yep Lovren in the team (Skrtel not good enough IMO) Johnson purely for experience. Add Lucas and oops missed Jones off .

To be fair he'll be asleep anyway.

Such a shame that this is a competition we have been waiting years to get back into, and we're reliant on a former reject and a striker who was(IMHO signed because he was a scouser and could play 20 minutes here and there)

Trying to be upbeat but everybody is so down at the moment I can't see a win coming from anywhere.  Carra is right, we are mentally weak and teams know it.

The romantic in me wants a Gerrard hat trick.  The realist sees a draw and a goodnight.

We're going to boss this game tonight....got a feeling in mah gut!

Not the Beatles

We've either got 2 or 4 games left in this tournament.  If I was a betting man, based on the evidence, you'd have to say 2.

When is the last time if ever we lost 5 on the bounce?

We've either got 2 or 4 games left in this tournament.  If I was a betting man, based on the evidence, you'd have to say 2.

When is the last time if ever we lost 5 on the bounce?

61 years ago.

No pressure.

I don't think any team worth anything just rolls over and takes it...especially in the CL. That's a foolish notion.

Yes, they do. Not every club in the Champions League is CL material...

61 years ago.

No pressure.

so that would have been 1953 under Don Welsh?? Surely to God it cant happen tonight....can it!!

so that would have been 1953 under Don Welsh?? Surely to God it cant happen tonight....can it!!

It was the last season we were in the top flight until Shankly got us back up 8 years later.  Bad omens.  And there was a R.Lambert in the team that lost the 5th consecutive game!

It was the last season we were in the top flight until Shankly got us back up 8 years later.  Bad omens.  And there was a R.Lambert in the team that lost the 5th consecutive game!

Uh oh. Then there is us and our Champions League omens thread for a 6th.

It was the last season we were in the top flight until Shankly got us back up 8 years later.  Bad omens.  And there was a R.Lambert in the team that lost the 5th consecutive game!

Glad you pointed out the R. Lambert part that's calmed me right down

According to James Pearce both Toure and Lucas will start.

Thank F**k for that.

Toss of the coin which one he puts in goal then.

 

2-1 to us, not exactly a confidence building win given the opposition but a loss would be devastating.

Expecting absolutely F**k all from this match unfortunately with our current relegation form