New backroom staff?

A subject that has been discussed quite a bit recently.

It seems Colin Pascoe and Mike Marsh are not everyone's cup of tea as far as the backroom staff is concerned at the club. Rodgers has worked with Pascoe for quite some time now so it was natural he would join the club in some form of capacity but you could say this is one area that could be proved upon (mainly due to the fact that tactically, we have been horrific defensively and naive in Europe too).

If Rodgers does get the backing of the owners throughout the season which seems to be what is coming out of Boston, then I'd like the club to look at revamping the backroom staff come the summer. And you could do far worse than bringing in Eric Steele, Mike Phelan and René Meulensteen.

Hear me out! Eric Steele was credited with transforming David De Gea into the keeper he has become today and our current goalkeeping coach has somehow managed to turn the fortunes of both Simon Mignolet and Pepe Reina. Mike Phelan was credited for coaching the defence for a number of years and René Meulensteen oversaw the entire coaching style when he joined Manchester United. The point is, is that these three coaches are winners, have a vast knowledge of coaching big players and will at least offer us more stability defensively which is what we have been missing for many years now.

Posted my thoughts on this earlier today in the BR thread:

"Just saw the Palace game, a bit late due to work commitments. What a shambles.

Reading through the comments - something has to change in the management group. Rodgers is more and more being proved out of his depth. In saying that sacking him won't help. I think he needs to be given fresh backup staff so that more objective opinions on player performance and squad culture can be brought in. As we are all seeing post- Madrid, some guys play regardless of form and that can't make for a healthy squad environment.

So I would be getting Steve Clarke in ASAP, as has been suggested before, to sort out the defence, but also getting someone else in there, not necessarily to replace Pascoe, but another voice in that engine room. Someone who knows the club and has been there done it - a Sammy Lee, a John Aldridge, an Alan Hansen.  They don't have to have been a great coach but they need to have the innate authority to pull Rodgers into line rather than following his misguided approaches.

As far as I'm concerned it is actually dangerous to leave Rodgers with his current autonomy, he needs to be given direction and if he doesn't like it let him walk. We can't be led to relegation by one mans stubbornness. "

I would find it hard to get behind ex-Man U staff in the dugout.

As far as I'm concerned it is actually dangerous to leave Rodgers with his current autonomy, he needs to be given direction and if he doesn't like it let him walk.

We can't be led to relegation by one mans stubbornness. "

Ego.
Control.
Mates
Allies

Rodgers dictated his terms to FSG all the way down the line and now its time they wised up and took the reins in some areas.

Phelan ?   Never.
He was involved in the Chelsea groundsman fiasco   which he and  Ferguson regurgated the same sh*t storm idea for Evra and Luis.

Not one Manc to cross the Anfield doorway ever.

Bill Shankly never had a degree in the fine art of coaching footballers.. neither did Bob Paisley nore Joe Fagan..
They just had a group of players that could play together then allowed them all the freedom to express their natural ability for the game.... simple science really..
Steve Heighway finished at Uni and signed for Liverpool at the age of 21 from Skem.. He went straight in to the first team and never came out..WTF !!
Coaching a footballer, especially for Liverpool FC should be the easiest job in the world...

So when I hear stats like we've had 6 shots on goal in the last 4 games loud alarm bells should be ringing around Anfield to sort that sh*t out.. like now !!


How can we possibly expect to win games when we can't even manage attempts at the goal...

we have enough talent at this club and I just wonder whether the current coaching staff are getting the most out of their natural ability..

So, in answer to the thread title , Yes.. New Backroom Staff please...

brendan even sacked borrell and mcparland who were doing a great job, why do you expect him to agree to new backroom staff ?

brendan even sacked borrell and mcparland who were doing a great job, why do you expect him to agree to new backroom staff ?

Exactly.

Perhaps the two above were getting a bit too much spotlight and praise.




(Racer :   True )

We have Hansen.Carragher,Thomo,Fowler,Roy Evans and another dozen people who would be glad to help out but you have to be aware of your problem to ask for help.

We have Hansen.Carragher,Thomo,Fowler,Roy Evans and another dozen people who would be glad to help out but you have to be aware of your problem to ask for help.

brendan has too much of an ego to ask for help which equals admitting he made alot of mistakes in the first place

 if he does and has results he wont get the full attention that he seeks ...

I wouldn't like Brendan to have to ask to bring in former Liverpool players as it could have a detrimental effect on the manager in the long term and I could agree with him not wanting the likes of Carragher or Hansen at the club.

However, there is nothing wrong though in admitting there is a problem and trying to find a solution to it. Manchester United during Alex's reign did not necessarily bring in former United players (Mike Phelan aside) - he opted for European coaches. Likewise, Chelsea do similar. We need an overhaul of the backroom staff first and foremost just to sort out our pitiful defence if nothing else.

But for some reason Brendan seems to think nothing is wrong and is staying loyal to Colin Pascoe and Mike Marsh when it clearly isn't working. He honestly needs to take a grasp and make some big changes over the next few weeks (not next season) with both the coaches and players he is picking who are not helping the situation at all.

I actually made the point during the summer transfer window about it. Invest in a good couple of coaches with European experience. It would have been invaluable to help manage players and games with the extra impetus of being in the Champions League brings. However, this seemed not even to pass through the mind of the manager or powers above at the club which is a huge shame.

Manchester United during Alex's reign did not necessarily bring in former United players (Mike Phelan aside) - he opted for European coaches.

But for some reason Brendan seems to think nothing is wrong and is staying loyal to Colin Pascoe and Mike Marsh when it clearly isn't working.

The big difference between Brendan and Ferguson is that Brendan is  very much the 'coach' of his teams where Ferguson always delegated those duties to others. Pascoe and Marsh have lesser roles in our set up than the likes of McLaren, Queiroz and Phelan did at the mancs.

I think if anyone is thinking along the lines of new backroom staff then they really are thinking more along the lines that the current manager isn't cutting it and maybe the real decision is whether we need a new manager.

Nothing wrong if people really think Brendan has taken us as far as if the coaching is the issue then Brendan is that guy and his staff have little real input as far as I can tell and that's the way Brendan likes it.

A subject that has been discussed quite a bit recently.

It seems Colin Pascoe and Mike Marsh are not everyone's cup of tea as far as the backroom staff is concerned at the club. Rodgers has worked with Pascoe for quite some time now so it was natural he would join the club in some form of capacity but you could say this is one area that could be proved upon (mainly due to the fact that tactically, we have been horrific defensively and naive in Europe too).

If Rodgers does get the backing of the owners throughout the season which seems to be what is coming out of Boston, then I'd like the club to look at revamping the backroom staff come the summer. And you could do far worse than bringing in Eric Steele, Mike Phelan and René Meulensteen.

Hear me out!

F**k off dickhead.

That Dutch Rene fella did a boss F***ing job at Fulham didn't he?

And you could do far worse than bringing in Eric Steele, Mike Phelan and René Meulensteen.

All Man United suggestions.
Why is that?

All Man United suggestions.
Why is that?

Hahaha suggesting he should really be called Insidesnakemountain!!

Hahaha suggesting he should really be called Insidesnakemountain!!

or InsideMan.

Whichever way we look at our tactics and the way we play, something is extremely wrong with Pasco, Marsh or BR or altogether 3 of them! 

All Man United suggestions.
Why is that?

Simply because they are all out of a job, have experience of working at a Premier League club who have won stuff and it sticks two fingers up at the Mancs too!

F**k off dickhead.

That Dutch Rene fella did a boss f**king job at Fulham didn't he?

Sometimes Assistant Managers do not make good managers.

Sometimes Assistant Managers do not make good managers.

Sometimes Northern Irish managers don't make good managers ;-)

Sometimes Assistant Managers do not make good managers.

Big word is sometimes!!

When Brendan walked into Melwood 2 and a half years ago he found Steve Clarke and Kevin Keen and he didn't deem them good enough. Steve Clarke who had over a decade's worth of First Division/Premier League experience as a player and almost a decade's worth of Premier League and European experience as a coach. A decade where he won 2 Premier League titles, an FA Cup and 3 league cup medals as a #2.  But also a decade where he carved a terrific reputation as a consummate professional, a tactically aware and astute coach and someone who had always built a great rapport with the players. Brendan somehow figured that his mare Colin Pascoe was better than that with his staggering record of 0 years (or months) worth of Premier League experience as a player, 1 year's worth of experience as a coach and who had only visited cities like Munich and Barcelona when he took his missus on holiday. And who constantly had the piss taken out of him by Swansea fans.

We also had a pretty decent first team coach in Kevin Keen. Who had over a decade's worth of First Division experience as a player, 6 year's worth of experience as a coach and who had a solid reputation. Brendan replaced him with Mike Marsh who has a stranglehold on the title of the most forgettable Liverpool player in the last 3 decades and had a grand total of 0 premier league matches (never mind years) as a coach under his belt. And whose main selling point seems to be that he's a local.

You see the pattern there? We had 2 guys who were more experienced than Brendan, who were already at the football club and who had pretty good reputations and Brendan replaced them with no marks like Pascoe and Marsh. That way there'd be nobody who could "undermine" him (you know because of that annoying experience thing) and there'd be nobody who the players would have liked more or even known at that point. Do you honestly think anyone with THAT delicate an ego (all managers have an ego and a bit of self-belief Brendan's just seems to be made of eggshells) would scrap "his" coaching staff and bring in better and more qualified coaches? No chance.

Saying we need a new backroom staff is a cowardly way of saying we need Brendan to leave. The fact is for as long as Brendan's around the two stooges are going to be around as well. Either you A. Want Brendan to leave and you're too scared to say it or B. Brendan's conned you into thinking he's a great manager and surely he can't be fhe problem so the problem rests with the people around him (which it partially does). Either way I don't want a bunch of Mancs here regardless of how good they supposedly are.

Saying we need a new backroom staff is a cowardly way of saying we need Brendan to leave.

Depends on your reasons for saying we need a new backroom staff.
If you genuinely believe it then it's not cowardice.

All I can say is Segura,Borrell & McParland should not have left the cloob.

When Brendan walked into Melwood 2 and a half years ago he found Steve Clarke

I thought Clarke had already gone when Brendan was appointed...didn't he go out of loyalty to Kenny?

Sometimes Northern Irish managers don't make good managers ;-)

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Simply because they are all out of a job, have experience of working at a Premier League club who have won stuff and it sticks two fingers up at the Mancs too!

It doesnt work that way.

Little Mickey will always be scum.    No Mancs Thanks.

When Brendan walked into Melwood 2 and a half years ago he found Steve Clarke and Kevin Keen and he didn't deem them good enough. Steve Clarke who had over a decade's worth of First Division/Premier League experience as a player and almost a decade's worth of Premier League and European experience as a coach. A decade where he won 2 Premier League titles, an FA Cup and 3 league cup medals as a #2.  But also a decade where he carved a terrific reputation as a consummate professional, a tactically aware and astute coach and someone who had always built a great rapport with the players. Brendan somehow figured that his mare Colin Pascoe was better than that with his staggering record of 0 years (or months) worth of Premier League experience as a player, 1 year's worth of experience as a coach and who had only visited cities like Munich and Barcelona when he took his missus on holiday. And who constantly had the piss taken out of him by Swansea fans.

We also had a pretty decent first team coach in Kevin Keen. Who had over a decade's worth of First Division experience as a player, 6 year's worth of experience as a coach and who had a solid reputation. Brendan replaced him with Mike Marsh who has a stranglehold on the title of the most forgettable Liverpool player in the last 3 decades and had a grand total of 0 premier league matches (never mind years) as a coach under his belt. And whose main selling point seems to be that he's a local.

You see the pattern there?
We had 2 guys who were more experienced than Brendan, who were already at the football club and who had pretty good reputations and Brendan replaced them with no marks like Pascoe and Marsh.
That way there'd be nobody who could "undermine" him (you know because of that annoying experience thing) and there'd be nobody who the players would have liked more or even known at that point.
Do you honestly think anyone with THAT delicate an ego (all managers have an ego and a bit of self-belief Brendan's just seems to be made of eggshells) would scrap "his" coaching staff and bring in better and more qualified coaches? No chance.

Saying we need a new backroom staff is a cowardly way of saying we need Brendan to leave. The fact is for as long as Brendan's around the two stooges are going to be around as well. Either you A. Want Brendan to leave and you're too scared to say it or B. Brendan's conned you into thinking he's a great manager and surely he can't be fhe problem so the problem rests with the people around him (which it partially does). Either way I don't want a bunch of Mancs here regardless of how good they supposedly are.

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No one to undermine him and his old mate allies.
Control freak.

Eggshell ego ?  Very much.
Manipulative ?  Definetly.

All I can say is Segura,Borrell & McParland should not have left the cloob.

Undid an awful lot of work that

When Brendan walked into Melwood 2 and a half years ago he found Steve Clarke and Kevin Keen and he didn't deem them good enough. Steve Clarke who had over a decade's worth of First Division/Premier League experience as a player and almost a decade's worth of Premier League and European experience as a coach. A decade where he won 2 Premier League titles, an FA Cup and 3 league cup medals as a #2.  But also a decade where he carved a terrific reputation as a consummate professional, a tactically aware and astute coach and someone who had always built a great rapport with the players. Brendan somehow figured that his mare Colin Pascoe was better than that with his staggering record of 0 years (or months) worth of Premier League experience as a player, 1 year's worth of experience as a coach and who had only visited cities like Munich and Barcelona when he took his missus on holiday. And who constantly had the piss taken out of him by Swansea fans.

We also had a pretty decent first team coach in Kevin Keen. Who had over a decade's worth of First Division experience as a player, 6 year's worth of experience as a coach and who had a solid reputation. Brendan replaced him with Mike Marsh who has a stranglehold on the title of the most forgettable Liverpool player in the last 3 decades and had a grand total of 0 premier league matches (never mind years) as a coach under his belt. And whose main selling point seems to be that he's a local.

You see the pattern there? We had 2 guys who were more experienced than Brendan, who were already at the football club and who had pretty good reputations and Brendan replaced them with no marks like Pascoe and Marsh. That way there'd be nobody who could "undermine" him (you know because of that annoying experience thing) and there'd be nobody who the players would have liked more or even known at that point. Do you honestly think anyone with THAT delicate an ego (all managers have an ego and a bit of self-belief Brendan's just seems to be made of eggshells) would scrap "his" coaching staff and bring in better and more qualified coaches? No chance.

Saying we need a new backroom staff is a cowardly way of saying we need Brendan to leave. The fact is for as long as Brendan's around the two stooges are going to be around as well. Either you A. Want Brendan to leave and you're too scared to say it or B. Brendan's conned you into thinking he's a great manager and surely he can't be fhe problem so the problem rests with the people around him (which it partially does). Either way I don't want a bunch of Mancs here regardless of how good they supposedly are.

Cracking post to be fair, a point well made.

I thought Clarke had already gone when Brendan was appointed...didn't he go out of loyalty to Kenny?

No, Steve was planning on handing in his resignation out of loyalty to Kenny. Kenny talked him out of it and the higher ups were going to refuse it anyway because apparently someone at the club rated him. Brendan came in and deemed Steve to not be fit to work under him. Steve himself said that he was sacked and he didn't leave on his own accord during the build-up to the West Brom v Liverpool match when he was their manager.

Depends on your reasons for saying we need a new backroom staff.
If you genuinely believe it then it's not cowardice.

I also want a new backroom staff but I'm conscious of the fact that we're not getting one under Brendan. In this case we're not going to be able to have our cake and eat it. Unless Brendan has a drastic change in mentality and personality we're not going to get a new coaching staff. Brendan and his staff are a package deal all of them (except for Mike Marsh) followed him from Swansea. Either Brendan and this lot stay or he and this lot are replaced its as simple as that. And it's become clear that blaming the coaching staff (without blaming Brendan despite the fact that he is part of the coaching staff) is a way to state that there is something wrong with the coaching whilst avoiding the potential backlash of people who feel you're disloyal because you're pointing out that the manager isn't up to it. That in my opinion is cowardly if you disagree then so be it (that's the whole point of forums we can't all have the same bloody opinions) either way I'm not changing that message or my stance.

Undid an awful lot of work that

All 3 should have been promoted within.

If Bayern smash City tonight and the Arabs give him the boot would you have Pelligrini and his merry men?....

If Bayern smash City tonight and the Arabs give him the boot would you have Pelligrini and his merry men?....

Wouldn't he have expectations about funds that our owners wouldn't agree to? Thanks for letting me know that game is on btw , should be a good one to watch.

Wouldn't he have expectations about funds that our owners wouldn't agree to? Thanks for letting me know that game is on btw , should be a good one to watch.

CSKA have just snatched a last minute equaliser against Roma 1-1.. so city still have a chance on the final day even of they get beat tonight now... mad game eh...

Dunno about the financial politics but he has an attacking mentality.. something our back room staff seem to be overlooking right now..

CSKA have just snatched a last minute equaliser against Roma 1-1.. so city still have a chance on the final day even of they get beat tonight now... mad game eh...

Dunno about the financial politics but he has an attacking mentality.. something our back room staff seem to be overlooking right now..

Well I like the guy, he handles things with class in the media and doesn't look to get panicky or flustered. Who knows, it'd be odd if that came to be though, can't see it.

If Bayern smash City tonight and the Arabs give him the boot would you have Pelligrini and his merry men?....

We could have hired Pellegrini after Madrid  and before he eventually went to Malaga.
Might be some history there.

No.
He manages an elite team that he inherited.

Career win ratio =  50% incl City results.

This is the most important Topic and the main failing for our poor season. the staff around BR who are they to advise and hopefully challenge his decisions.
Colin Pascoe for me is a small time assistant who's only been brought in as he's mates with BR and that they worked together at Swansea, we need a contenential assistant that can offer more tactically then pascoe,
we need a new GK/defensive team as since RAFA left we have been poor at the back big time and an easy team to score against so start fresh bring in new additions and slowley replace the  old staff, i like mike marsh but why promote him so early let him keep doing what he was doing till he's had great success then maybe move him up.