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      MIRO
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      Re: New backroom staff?
      Reply #23: Nov 25, 2014 05:17:32 pm
      Sometimes Northern Irish managers don't make good managers ;-)
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      Class .  ;D

      Simply because they are all out of a job, have experience of working at a Premier League club who have won stuff and it sticks two fingers up at the Mancs too!

      It doesnt work that way.

      Little Mickey will always be scum.    No Mancs Thanks.

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      Reply #24: Nov 25, 2014 05:18:39 pm
      When Brendan walked into Melwood 2 and a half years ago he found Steve Clarke and Kevin Keen and he didn't deem them good enough. Steve Clarke who had over a decade's worth of First Division/Premier League experience as a player and almost a decade's worth of Premier League and European experience as a coach. A decade where he won 2 Premier League titles, an FA Cup and 3 league cup medals as a #2.  But also a decade where he carved a terrific reputation as a consummate professional, a tactically aware and astute coach and someone who had always built a great rapport with the players. Brendan somehow figured that his mare Colin Pascoe was better than that with his staggering record of 0 years (or months) worth of Premier League experience as a player, 1 year's worth of experience as a coach and who had only visited cities like Munich and Barcelona when he took his missus on holiday. And who constantly had the piss taken out of him by Swansea fans.

      We also had a pretty decent first team coach in Kevin Keen. Who had over a decade's worth of First Division experience as a player, 6 year's worth of experience as a coach and who had a solid reputation. Brendan replaced him with Mike Marsh who has a stranglehold on the title of the most forgettable Liverpool player in the last 3 decades and had a grand total of 0 premier league matches (never mind years) as a coach under his belt. And whose main selling point seems to be that he's a local.

      You see the pattern there?
      We had 2 guys who were more experienced than Brendan, who were already at the football club and who had pretty good reputations and Brendan replaced them with no marks like Pascoe and Marsh.
      That way there'd be nobody who could "undermine" him (you know because of that annoying experience thing) and there'd be nobody who the players would have liked more or even known at that point.
      Do you honestly think anyone with THAT delicate an ego (all managers have an ego and a bit of self-belief Brendan's just seems to be made of eggshells) would scrap "his" coaching staff and bring in better and more qualified coaches? No chance.

      Saying we need a new backroom staff is a cowardly way of saying we need Brendan to leave. The fact is for as long as Brendan's around the two stooges are going to be around as well. Either you A. Want Brendan to leave and you're too scared to say it or B. Brendan's conned you into thinking he's a great manager and surely he can't be fhe problem so the problem rests with the people around him (which it partially does). Either way I don't want a bunch of Mancs here regardless of how good they supposedly are.

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      No one to undermine him and his old mate allies.
      Control freak.

      Eggshell ego ?  Very much.
      Manipulative ?  Definetly.
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      Re: New backroom staff?
      Reply #25: Nov 25, 2014 05:36:17 pm
      All I can say is Segura,Borrell & McParland should not have left the cloob.

      Undid an awful lot of work that
      When Brendan walked into Melwood 2 and a half years ago he found Steve Clarke and Kevin Keen and he didn't deem them good enough. Steve Clarke who had over a decade's worth of First Division/Premier League experience as a player and almost a decade's worth of Premier League and European experience as a coach. A decade where he won 2 Premier League titles, an FA Cup and 3 league cup medals as a #2.  But also a decade where he carved a terrific reputation as a consummate professional, a tactically aware and astute coach and someone who had always built a great rapport with the players. Brendan somehow figured that his mare Colin Pascoe was better than that with his staggering record of 0 years (or months) worth of Premier League experience as a player, 1 year's worth of experience as a coach and who had only visited cities like Munich and Barcelona when he took his missus on holiday. And who constantly had the piss taken out of him by Swansea fans.

      We also had a pretty decent first team coach in Kevin Keen. Who had over a decade's worth of First Division experience as a player, 6 year's worth of experience as a coach and who had a solid reputation. Brendan replaced him with Mike Marsh who has a stranglehold on the title of the most forgettable Liverpool player in the last 3 decades and had a grand total of 0 premier league matches (never mind years) as a coach under his belt. And whose main selling point seems to be that he's a local.

      You see the pattern there? We had 2 guys who were more experienced than Brendan, who were already at the football club and who had pretty good reputations and Brendan replaced them with no marks like Pascoe and Marsh. That way there'd be nobody who could "undermine" him (you know because of that annoying experience thing) and there'd be nobody who the players would have liked more or even known at that point. Do you honestly think anyone with THAT delicate an ego (all managers have an ego and a bit of self-belief Brendan's just seems to be made of eggshells) would scrap "his" coaching staff and bring in better and more qualified coaches? No chance.

      Saying we need a new backroom staff is a cowardly way of saying we need Brendan to leave. The fact is for as long as Brendan's around the two stooges are going to be around as well. Either you A. Want Brendan to leave and you're too scared to say it or B. Brendan's conned you into thinking he's a great manager and surely he can't be fhe problem so the problem rests with the people around him (which it partially does). Either way I don't want a bunch of Mancs here regardless of how good they supposedly are.

      Cracking post to be fair, a point well made.
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      Re: New backroom staff?
      Reply #26: Nov 25, 2014 05:38:23 pm
      I thought Clarke had already gone when Brendan was appointed...didn't he go out of loyalty to Kenny?

      No, Steve was planning on handing in his resignation out of loyalty to Kenny. Kenny talked him out of it and the higher ups were going to refuse it anyway because apparently someone at the club rated him. Brendan came in and deemed Steve to not be fit to work under him. Steve himself said that he was sacked and he didn't leave on his own accord during the build-up to the West Brom v Liverpool match when he was their manager.

      Depends on your reasons for saying we need a new backroom staff.
      If you genuinely believe it then it's not cowardice.

      I also want a new backroom staff but I'm conscious of the fact that we're not getting one under Brendan. In this case we're not going to be able to have our cake and eat it. Unless Brendan has a drastic change in mentality and personality we're not going to get a new coaching staff. Brendan and his staff are a package deal all of them (except for Mike Marsh) followed him from Swansea. Either Brendan and this lot stay or he and this lot are replaced its as simple as that. And it's become clear that blaming the coaching staff (without blaming Brendan despite the fact that he is part of the coaching staff) is a way to state that there is something wrong with the coaching whilst avoiding the potential backlash of people who feel you're disloyal because you're pointing out that the manager isn't up to it. That in my opinion is cowardly if you disagree then so be it (that's the whole point of forums we can't all have the same bloody opinions) either way I'm not changing that message or my stance.

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      Re: New backroom staff?
      Reply #27: Nov 25, 2014 05:38:51 pm

      All 3 should have been promoted within.
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      Re: New backroom staff?
      Reply #28: Nov 25, 2014 06:42:10 pm
      If Bayern smash City tonight and the Arabs give him the boot would you have Pelligrini and his merry men?....
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      Re: New backroom staff?
      Reply #29: Nov 25, 2014 06:55:15 pm
      If Bayern smash City tonight and the Arabs give him the boot would you have Pelligrini and his merry men?....

      Wouldn't he have expectations about funds that our owners wouldn't agree to? Thanks for letting me know that game is on btw :), should be a good one to watch.
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      Re: New backroom staff?
      Reply #30: Nov 25, 2014 07:01:01 pm
      Wouldn't he have expectations about funds that our owners wouldn't agree to? Thanks for letting me know that game is on btw :), should be a good one to watch.

      CSKA have just snatched a last minute equaliser against Roma 1-1.. so city still have a chance on the final day even of they get beat tonight now... mad game eh...

      Dunno about the financial politics but he has an attacking mentality.. something our back room staff seem to be overlooking right now..
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      Re: New backroom staff?
      Reply #31: Nov 25, 2014 07:12:59 pm
      CSKA have just snatched a last minute equaliser against Roma 1-1.. so city still have a chance on the final day even of they get beat tonight now... mad game eh...

      Dunno about the financial politics but he has an attacking mentality.. something our back room staff seem to be overlooking right now..

      Well I like the guy, he handles things with class in the media and doesn't look to get panicky or flustered. Who knows, it'd be odd if that came to be though, can't see it.
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      Re: New backroom staff?
      Reply #32: Nov 25, 2014 08:00:58 pm
      If Bayern smash City tonight and the Arabs give him the boot would you have Pelligrini and his merry men?....

      We could have hired Pellegrini after Madrid  and before he eventually went to Malaga.
      Might be some history there.

      No.
      He manages an elite team that he inherited.

      Career win ratio =  50% incl City results.
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      Re: New backroom staff?
      Reply #33: Nov 28, 2014 09:38:57 am
      This is the most important Topic and the main failing for our poor season. the staff around BR who are they to advise and hopefully challenge his decisions.
      Colin Pascoe for me is a small time assistant who's only been brought in as he's mates with BR and that they worked together at Swansea, we need a contenential assistant that can offer more tactically then pascoe,
      we need a new GK/defensive team as since RAFA left we have been poor at the back big time and an easy team to score against so start fresh bring in new additions and slowley replace the  old staff, i like mike marsh but why promote him so early let him keep doing what he was doing till he's had great success then maybe move him up.

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