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      Brucie says reds need to replace Mignolet in January

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      Brucie says reds need to replace Mignolet in January
      Nov 26, 2014 04:51:41 pm
      Hard to disagree with him on this.


      "Any team that lets in 52  goals should never be in second position in the first place.

      "That was masked and brushed over because of the brilliance of Suarez and Sturridge, scoring you so many goals."

      "You have got to shore up the back. Get yourself someone in goal who can actually only let in 30 goals a season, or fewer than 30 goals."

      "I've likened Mignolet to worse than Dracula because at least Dracula comes out of his coffin (box) now and then. He seems to stay on his line and that's it.

      That whole area, not just the six-yard area, is the goalkeeper's.

      I would give Brad Jones a chance to see if he can come to the party and put Mignolet on the bench. Then in the January window I am going to find a goalkeeper who can come in and shore up the back."

      http://www.anfield-online.co.uk/lfc-news/2014/grobbelaar-liverpool-need-replace-stationary-simon-mignolet/
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      Re: Brucie says reds need to replace Mignolet in January
      Reply #1: Nov 26, 2014 05:00:20 pm
      :D

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      "I've likened Mignolet to worse than Dracula because at least Dracula comes out of his coffin (box) now and then. He seems to stay on his line and that's it.

       :lmao:
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      Re: Brucie says reds need to replace Mignolet in January
      Reply #2: Nov 26, 2014 05:03:39 pm
      To be fair, he is correct.

      We should not have been anywhere near winning the title when conceding over 50 goals. It is unheard of really.

      That's Neville Southall, Dean Kiely and Bruce Grobbelaar who have come out and said over the past month or so that Simon Mignolet is not a very good goalkeeper at all. As a shot-stopper, I think he is very good but the remaining attributes of goalkeeping are dreadful such as distribution, claiming crosses, communication, commanding his box etc etc.
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      Re: Brucie says reds need to replace Mignolet in January
      Reply #3: Nov 26, 2014 05:08:56 pm

      That part struck me funny too ;D
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      Re: Brucie says reds need to replace Mignolet in January
      Reply #4: Nov 26, 2014 05:46:50 pm
      What he means Migs is scared of crosses.
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      Re: Brucie says reds need to replace Mignolet in January
      Reply #5: Nov 26, 2014 05:48:41 pm
      He might be right but he should also remember he had a shocking start to his career here. Maybe words of encouragement for the lad may be better or the offer to work with him to help him?
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      Re: Brucie says reds need to replace Mignolet in January
      Reply #6: Nov 26, 2014 05:50:01 pm
      What he means Migs is scared of crosses.

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      Re: Brucie says reds need to replace Mignolet in January
      Reply #7: Nov 26, 2014 05:50:50 pm
      One of many recent transfers I have had trouble understanding.

      An early signing in Brendan's time in charge, when we were looking to play tiki-taka style football, requiring a keeper who was good with his feet, good awareness and capable of playing almost a sweeper-style role.

      I cannot deny that Mignolet is a good shot-stopper, but it really does seem to be the only positive he has.

      His positioning is, at times, horrendous. He has no presence in the box, does not dominate or command his defence. His ball handling is often awful, distribution very poor.

      Can only agree with Bruce, although there seem to be so many positions that need reinforcing it's hard to know where to start!

      What he means Migs is scared of crosses.

       :D
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      Re: Brucie says reds need to replace Mignolet in January
      Reply #8: Nov 26, 2014 05:53:17 pm
      Maybe he should take bribes to throw games instead, ay Brucie.
      « Last Edit: Nov 26, 2014 06:40:12 pm by racerx34 »
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      Re: Brucie says reds need to replace Mignolet in January
      Reply #9: Nov 26, 2014 05:59:01 pm
      Maybe he should take bribes to through games instead, ay Brucie.

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      Re: Brucie says reds need to replace Mignolet in January
      Reply #10: Nov 26, 2014 06:18:15 pm
      When people keep saying he, s a good shot stopper my mind races back to man city last year  and that's where I get confused , because for all the sh*t stevie has taken  those howlers were equally as bad .
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      Re: Brucie says reds need to replace Mignolet in January
      Reply #11: Nov 26, 2014 06:25:35 pm
      What he means Migs is scared of crosses.

      The whole squad are scared of crosses. That's defending and attacking
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      Re: Brucie says reds need to replace Mignolet in January
      Reply #12: Nov 26, 2014 06:29:21 pm
      Never rated Mignolet, and probably never will do. Think we've been lacking a quality keeper for 3/4 years now, ever since Reina started to decline.
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      Re: Brucie says reds need to replace Mignolet in January
      Reply #13: Nov 26, 2014 06:34:39 pm
      Heard that interview last night and as I said then you'd think to hear Brucie it was Mignolet and Mignolet alone who was responsible for defending in our side.
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      Re: Brucie says reds need to replace Mignolet in January
      Reply #14: Nov 26, 2014 06:43:06 pm
      Don't think the keeping side of his game is awful, his command of his area is worse than his distribution though.
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      Re: Brucie says reds need to replace Mignolet in January
      Reply #15: Nov 26, 2014 06:51:42 pm
      Heard Grob say that on the radio.
      Brilliant.


      Howza bout working through the 25 players bought in the managers reign starting with goalie. Guy is a sick joke.

      Rodgers might get the whole squad right second time around.
      Go ask Boston for another cool £200 mill.



      ( Even Valdes felt Carrington was best for him )
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      Re: Brucie says reds need to replace Mignolet in January
      Reply #16: Nov 26, 2014 07:23:26 pm
      I was saying 8 months ago that Mignolet wasn't good enough and I got ridiculed.

      Now that it's F***ing obvious, it's all the rage.

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      Re: Brucie says reds need to replace Mignolet in January
      Reply #17: Nov 26, 2014 07:29:19 pm
      Loved Grobelaar as a keeper at the time, but how he has the nerve to criticise anybody after getting caught taking a bung is beyond me.

      Mignolet is not great on crosses, its true, but he is not the main problem with our defence - overall poor oragnisation is.
      Plus shot-stopping is quite a big part of being a goalie and he has pulled off a lot of great saves for us over the last season and a half, including against Palace the other day. Lots of young goalies take time to settle - think of de Gea when he first went to ManUre.
      Mignolet overall has done ok, and should be given more time.
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      Re: Brucie says reds need to replace Mignolet in January
      Reply #18: Nov 26, 2014 07:36:45 pm
      I was saying 8 months ago that Mignolet wasn't good enough and I got ridiculed.

      Now that it's F***ing obvious, it's all the rage.


      +

      Have you not worked out yet it's not what you say that gets you ridiculed? ;D

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      Re: Brucie says reds need to replace Mignolet in January
      Reply #19: Nov 26, 2014 07:48:19 pm
      Good to see Simon silencing his haters...
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      Re: Brucie says reds need to replace Mignolet in January
      Reply #20: Nov 26, 2014 09:43:09 pm
      "Brucie says reds need to replace Mignolet in January November"?
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      Re: Brucie says reds need to replace Mignolet in January
      Reply #21: Nov 26, 2014 11:30:07 pm
      Think Simon listened to Brucies comments earlier today and cracked a little more. Poor fella has confidence made out of glass.
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      Re: Brucie says reds need to replace Mignolet in January
      Reply #22: Nov 26, 2014 11:31:10 pm
      ....... but WHY did Valdes go to Carrington ?


      Cech  may be available in January and thats no joke.
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      Re: Brucie says reds need to replace Mignolet in January
      Reply #23: Nov 26, 2014 11:33:42 pm
      It's a shame his substitute is of League One standards. No serious competition.
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      Re: Brucie says reds need to replace Mignolet in January
      Reply #24: Nov 26, 2014 11:44:46 pm
      Thought our woes were getting so bad Bruce Forsyth had an opinion on it.
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      Re: Brucie says reds need to replace Mignolet in January
      Reply #25: Nov 26, 2014 11:45:55 pm
      Look at all the clubs with TWO top keepers---United have De Gea AND Valdes; Chelsea have Courtois AND Cech; Bayern have Neuer AND Pepe; Barca have Ter-Stegen AND Bravo.

      They all get 2, we don't even have ONE!!!
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      Reply #26: Nov 26, 2014 11:48:43 pm

      Has Valdes really signed for United? Missed it if true
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      Re: Brucie says reds need to replace Mignolet in January
      Reply #27: Nov 26, 2014 11:51:16 pm
      Look at all the clubs with TWO top keepers---United have De Gea AND Valdes; Chelsea have Courtois AND Cech; Bayern have Neuer AND Pepe; Barca have Ter-Stegen AND Bravo.

      They all get 2, we don't even have ONE!!!

      Funny you mention Pepe at Bayern. We thought it'd be wise to replace him with Simon and even when he returned here, we opted to keep Jones as our no.2 keeper. Let him go to Bayern, they are only a top top club in Europe - why would they buy our rubbish for.

      Again, his departure either boiled down to one of two things. Brendan feeling challenged by him or the committee wanting to force him out because of his above average wages at the club. Happened to Agger as well. Players who actually have a voice. Looking at all of our players now, they are young and clearly too scared to speak up for themselves. Rodgers does not like a defiant character at this club.
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      Re: Brucie says reds need to replace Mignolet in January
      Reply #28: Nov 26, 2014 11:51:37 pm
      I disagree.

      52 goals last season is not ALL THE GOALKEEPERS FAULT.

      its not possible. Its a combination of 1) not a real holding midfielder in the side, 2) poor overall defending, 3)goalkeeping.

      It place it all on the shoulders of the keeps is crazy. Even with a new keeper we'd still let goals in.

      Pointless
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      Re: Brucie says reds need to replace Mignolet in January
      Reply #29: Nov 27, 2014 12:20:54 am
      I disagree.

      52 goals last season is not ALL THE GOALKEEPERS FAULT.

      its not possible. Its a combination of 1) not a real holding midfielder in the side, 2) poor overall defending, 3)goalkeeping.

      It place it all on the shoulders of the keeps is crazy. Even with a new keeper we'd still let goals in.

      Pointless

      Somewhat true..

      But sure, a defense also needs to be held responsible for a high goals conceded rate, but that could also be resultant of poor tactical coaching. Having a strong defense is as much about organisation as it is player quality. There is no coincidence that Jose Mourinho's teams have always been defensively sound, regardless of who he plays. Our defense may appear shabby at this present time, but Skrtel and Co are all proven defenders in the top flight - they really ought not to be that bad. As someone mentioned earlier, our fullbacks bombing up the wings leaves us exposed and fragile at the back. How do our players mark? That's a structured part of the game. Do they push up and play the opponents offside? Again, another structured part of the game. Zonal or man marking at set pieces? Do they stand on the goal line during corners? This is coached stuff. It doesn't come naturally. Mignolet on the other hand fails to catch a tame shot that is basically aimed straight towards him. What does he do? Parry it right into the path of a Ludogorets player. He's a goalkeeper. This should be incredibly basic stuff for him. Admittedly you could argue that commanding the area and knowing when to come out to collect a cross or when to remain on your line is something you get better at with age, but not making a simple save like he failed to make today.

      Brucies words may have seemed harsh at the time, but they were accurate nonetheless.
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      Re: Brucie says reds need to replace Mignolet in January
      Reply #30: Nov 27, 2014 12:22:33 am
      It's a shame his substitute is of League One standards. No serious competition.

      Part of the problem indeed mate.

      Add playing behind a shamolic, at times, back four and the fact Mignolet himself hasn't imporved in any of the areas he was weak in last season leaves us in a dire state as far as the keeper position goes.
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      Re: Brucie says reds need to replace Mignolet in January
      Reply #31: Nov 27, 2014 12:36:30 am
      Get somebody in there to instill some confidence in the rest of the lot. And do it quick. Mignolet is not cutting it.
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      Re: Brucie says reds need to replace Mignolet in January
      Reply #32: Nov 27, 2014 08:25:51 am
      As a ex goalkeeper myself I have to say mugs is absolutley dreadful .
      He is devoid of confidence ,his positions is suspect at best ,my three year old is more commanding than he is .
      That 1st goal was laughable that should of being body behind the ball and catch 1st easy rule of goalkeeping.
      Go to stoke and ask them what they want for begovic how no one has landed him is beyond me.
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      Re: Brucie says reds need to replace Mignolet in January
      Reply #33: Nov 27, 2014 08:44:13 am
      Loved Grobelaar as a keeper at the time, but how he has the nerve to criticise anybody after getting caught taking a bung is beyond me.

      Mignolet is not great on crosses, its true, but he is not the main problem with our defence - overall poor oragnisation is.
      Plus shot-stopping is quite a big part of being a goalie and he has pulled off a lot of great saves for us over the last season and a half, including against Palace the other day. Lots of young goalies take time to settle - think of de Gea when he first went to ManUre.
      Mignolet overall has done ok, and should be given more time.



      Shot stopping is a vital part of a 'keeper's role, accepted.
      Distribution, controlling your area of play and stamping authority on a game are as necessary as the shot stopping quality and just as vital.
      A relative mastery of all is ideal but rarely encountered, having a passable talent for just one of those requirements however is entirely unacceptable in the upper tiers of football.
      Maybe the ''time to settle'' you speak of is a part of another obscure long term plan for the club.

      Whatever went on with Grobelaar in his day he pulled some superhuman saves out the bag as well as scaring the sh*t out of anyone that dared set foot in his territory.
      His penalty showstoppers are well documented.
      If anyone is qualified to comment on a Liverpool goalkeeper's qualities Brucie is your man.
      « Last Edit: Nov 27, 2014 09:38:01 am by stuey »
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      Reply #34: Nov 27, 2014 09:19:13 am
      Shot stopping is a vital part of a 'keepers role, accepted.
      Distribution, controlling your area of play and stamping authority on a game are as necessary as the shot stopping quality and just as vital.
      A relative mastery of all is ideal but rarely encountered, having a passable talent for just one of those requirements however is entirely unacceptable in the upper tiers of football.
      Maybe the ''time to settle'' you speak of is a part of another obscure long term plan for the club.
      Exactly, I'd rather him be better at commanding the box and marshalling the defence than being a decent shot stopper.

      I think we'd concede far less if that was the case.
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      Reply #35: Nov 27, 2014 09:41:31 am
      Thought he was a poor buy at the time, thought he was poor all last season with the exception of some good saves, he's done nothing to change my mind, apart from the odd wonderful save, he's sh*te at everything else.
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      Re: Brucie says reds need to replace Mignolet in January
      Reply #36: Nov 27, 2014 09:44:21 am
      I thought he was going to be a big improvement on Reina.... I was wrong.
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      Re: Brucie says reds need to replace Mignolet in January
      Reply #37: Nov 27, 2014 09:47:25 am
       Pepe had his chance to prove himself at Napoli with his favourite manager and goalkeeping coach and his performances didn't justify them paying a cut price fee to keep him. He has gone into semi retirement getting that backup position in Germany and should be nowhere near an elite side as number one.

      Why we have Brad jones when he is too poor to rely on in these circumstances is a complete mystery. The bit about having two first line keepers Federer wrote above is bollocks - this is teh first season that Chelsea have had Courtois and Cech in the same location and, by all accounts, they are looking to rectify that in the January transfer window. Valdes and reina are not serious competition for the number one slots. Paying a keeper 5 million pounds a year to sit on the bench is money that we can better use elsewhere.

      i do remain puzzled at the initial acquisition of mignolet - as pointed out above, his game doesn't suit what we are doing at all. when i first heard the signing i assumed the scouts had seen some incredible potential in him and we could coach the bits we needed into him but there has been little sign he can overcome his natural deficiencies.
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      Re: Brucie says reds need to replace Mignolet in January
      Reply #38: Nov 27, 2014 01:31:26 pm
      Look at all the clubs with TWO top keepers---United have De Gea AND Valdes; Chelsea have Courtois AND Cech; Bayern have Neuer AND Pepe; Barca have Ter-Stegen AND Bravo.

      They all get 2, we don't even have ONE!!!

      As the average premier league sub keeper is used only once in 109 matches (almost 3 seasons), having a second quality keeper isn't all that important in my view. Only perhaps to keep your first choice thinking there is a chance he will be dropped. But anyone with passion for the team shouldn't have to use that as motivation.
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      Re: Brucie says reds need to replace Mignolet in January
      Reply #39: Nov 27, 2014 02:25:52 pm
      Surely the U21 keeper is better than Migs if Rodgers has no faith in Brad Jones.
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      Reply #40: Nov 27, 2014 02:41:35 pm
      Unless we are flirting with relegation, the management team will keep playing him till he looks like a £9m player. Otherwise FSG will lose money on the trade.
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      Re: Brucie says reds need to replace Mignolet in January
      Reply #41: Nov 27, 2014 03:00:00 pm
      Cech  may be available in January and thats no joke.

      Good chance of getting him too now that we are effectively no threat to Chelsea.

      Unless we are flirting with relegation, the management team will keep playing him till he looks like a £9m player. Otherwise FSG will lose money on the trade.

      How much is the knockout phase of the CL worth?

      How much does each place in the league pay out?

      Might lose more than £9M on him if they keep playing him.

      Surely the U21 keeper is better than Migs if Rodgers has no faith in Brad Jones.

      If Rodgers has got no faith in Jones then he shouldn't be in the 18 man squad.  There was no need for Reina to get sold other than he didn't get on with Brendan.
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      Reply #42: Nov 27, 2014 05:51:01 pm
      [quote author JD

      How much does each place in the league pay out?

      [/quote]

      Each higher place in the league only pays out 750k I think
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      Re: Brucie says reds need to replace Mignolet in January
      Reply #43: Nov 27, 2014 10:53:35 pm
      I wonder what sage advice Mignolet will be giving in 30 years....
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      Re: Brucie says reds need to replace Mignolet in January
      Reply #44: Nov 27, 2014 11:11:23 pm
      Loved Grobelaar as a keeper at the time, but how he has the nerve to criticise anybody after getting caught taking a bung is beyond me.


      Yeah,  and how anybody doesn't know by now that Brucie was cleared of those charges,  is beyond me!!!
      Call yourself a Liverpool supporter?  He was framed by the S*n of all papers ffs

      Go sit in the corner!
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      Re: Brucie says reds need to replace Mignolet in January
      Reply #45: Nov 27, 2014 11:17:34 pm
      Good chance of getting him too now that we are effectively no threat to Chelsea.

      I really can not see Cech wanting to join us. He'll either join a top European team or go to Man City or Arsenal. I think we'll have more of a chance with Begovic though.
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      Re: Brucie says reds need to replace Mignolet in January
      Reply #46: Nov 27, 2014 11:29:07 pm
      I really can not see Cech wanting to join us.

      I'd be happy with Begovic.  If FSG/Rodgers/Ayre/Linda/whoever decides the transfers manages to get Cech, I will start to have faith in them again.

      If not, maybe we can try Enrique in goal.  Remember when Pepe got sent off a few years back and Jose had to go in goal?

      Would be worth a shot!
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      Re: Brucie says reds need to replace Mignolet in January
      Reply #47: Nov 28, 2014 12:12:48 am

      Yep, same. All I want is Begovic and Schneiderlin this winter and I'll be ecstatic. The difference would actually be astronomical!!
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      Reply #48: Nov 28, 2014 12:58:42 am
      Yep, same. All I want is Begovic and Schneiderlin this winter and I'll be ecstatic. The difference would actually be astronomical!!

      I think we need more than those 2... Unless Begovic is also a cracking centre forward too  ;)
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      Re: Brucie says reds need to replace Mignolet in January
      Reply #49: Nov 28, 2014 06:05:56 am
      Seriously...

      I too think we can do better than Migs but really.... January? 

      We have much more dire issues elsewhere on the pitch than the GK.   how about our ability or should I say inability to do anything in the final third of the pitch for one? and our midfield is an absolute shambles.  we are pretty much in December now and our midfield/fwd and even defense is still very much up in the air.   shocking stuff really

      Plus, I can bet good money that had we had a better defense core, Migs would've let in way less goal.  He has lots to improve in his game but as a shot keeper the guy is pretty good.  (think of that pk he saved in his first game for us).  it wasn't his fault toure passed to an opponent who went solo into the net... or the gerrard slip.

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      Re: Brucie says reds need to replace Mignolet in January
      Reply #50: Nov 28, 2014 08:09:27 am
      I'm sure Inter will be happy if we offer 15mil to Handanovic. In the middle of contract negotiations, may be worth trying. Stoke will probably try to fleece for Begovic and I consider the former better than the latter.

      Handanovic and Shaqiri will be good business in the summer, although I know it is just wishful thinking.
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      Reply #51: Nov 28, 2014 09:14:10 am
      I thnk we need a new GK coach first before trying to replace the keeper you dont becomce a bad player overnight so maybe we need to look at our coaching staff as since RAFA left we've been poor defensivley. I would still sell Brad Jones and bring free agent Valdez in for experiance and to push Mignolet and help  him become a top GK. Also maybe hire someone like Brucie to give him a kick up the arse and teach him a bit.
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      Reply #52: Nov 28, 2014 09:59:35 am

      Brendan Rodgers demands immediate improvement from Simon Mignolet

      • Liverpool goalkeeper handed opening goal to Ludogorets
      • Rodgers: ‘The goal was a massive setback for the team’
      • Ludogorets snatch late equaliser against Liverpool

      http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/nov/27/brendan-rodgers-simon-mignolet-liverpool
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      Reply #53: Nov 28, 2014 10:04:51 am
      Brendan Rodgers demands immediate improvement from Simon Mignolet

      • Liverpool goalkeeper handed opening goal to Ludogorets
      • Rodgers: ‘The goal was a massive setback for the team’
      • Ludogorets snatch late equaliser against Liverpool

      http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/nov/27/brendan-rodgers-simon-mignolet-liverpool
      think we have no choice but to keep playing him and hope a few clean sheets and good saves will get him back to the player he was on opening day of last season when he did that fantastic tripple save. we all know he's got it in him but his heads gone he needs to grow a pair and start commanding the defence it starts from him
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      Reply #54: Nov 28, 2014 09:39:25 pm
      we all know he's got it in him

      no, we don't all know that.
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      Reply #55: Nov 28, 2014 09:59:23 pm
      I honestly don't see why Asmir Begovic is deemed the answer to our problems.

      I work with someone who is a season-ticket holder at the Britannia and a staunch Stoke City fan and he says that Asmir Begovic has been really poor for 18 months now. I was speaking to him only the other day about the possibility of replacing Mignolet with Begovic and he said he would be really surprised as his command of the box is quite poor and his kicking is worse than Mignolet's. He went on to say that the fans are growing concerned about his recent performances and how some are hoping that he is sold on so Jack Butland can get a look in.
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      Reply #56: Nov 28, 2014 10:04:16 pm
      I honestly don't see why Asmir Begovic is deemed the answer to our problems.

      It's probably got something to do with the fact that it seemed we were going to sign him but then out of no where we got Migs instead.
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      Reply #57: Nov 28, 2014 11:52:02 pm
      Seems crazy to me that victor Valdes is a free agent who wants to play in England and the club are not even talking with him as far as we know. No transfer fee surely balances out potentially higher wages. 12 month deal would probably suit all parties. The only risk seems to be injury (which is fair enough), keep mignolet as backup.
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      Reply #58: Nov 29, 2014 02:38:58 am
      Pepe had his chance to prove himself at Napoli with his favourite manager and goalkeeping coach and his performances didn't justify them paying a cut price fee to keep him. He has gone into semi retirement getting that backup position in Germany and should be nowhere near an elite side as number one.

      Why we have Brad jones when he is too poor to rely on in these circumstances is a complete mystery. The bit about having two first line keepers Federer wrote above is bollocks - this is teh first season that Chelsea have had Courtois and Cech in the same location and, by all accounts, they are looking to rectify that in the January transfer window. Valdes and reina are not serious competition for the number one slots. Paying a keeper 5 million pounds a year to sit on the bench is money that we can better use elsewhere.

      i do remain puzzled at the initial acquisition of mignolet - as pointed out above, his game doesn't suit what we are doing at all. when i first heard the signing i assumed the scouts had seen some incredible potential in him and we could coach the bits we needed into him but there has been little sign he can overcome his natural deficiencies.

      It is fairly obvious why we have brad jones as our backup.  Salary.

      If you are not willing to pay, you wont get the quality. 
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      Reply #59: Nov 29, 2014 07:15:10 am
      It is fairly obvious why we have brad jones as our backup.  Salary.
      The same reason as to why Migs was brought here in the first place.

      Of course we had the PR dept working their magic then too - to convince us that Pepe wasn't 'good enough' for us - (completely ignoring the fact that even after a shaky start; he ended the season with 14 clean sheets in only 31 games... just behind Joe Hart % wise).

      Thankfully tho' - even the PR dept can't fool all of the people all of the time and try as they might to convince us that they're still right; there's enough on here with the integrity to admit it was wrong.

      Simon is just another case of the corporate mismanagement and false economies sadly....

      I wonder how much it will eventually cost to replace Pepe with someone fit to tie his bootlaces?  :-\

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      Reply #60: Nov 29, 2014 09:26:15 am
      The same reason as to why Migs was brought here in the first place.

      Of course we had the PR dept working their magic then too - to convince us that Pepe wasn't 'good enough' for us - (completely ignoring the fact that even after a shaky start; he ended the season with 14 clean sheets in only 31 games... just behind Joe Hart % wise).

      Thankfully tho' - even the PR dept can't fool all of the people all of the time and try as they might to convince us that they're still right; there's enough on here with the integrity to admit it was wrong.

      Simon is just another case of the corporate mismanagement and false economies sadly....

      I wonder how much it will eventually cost to replace Pepe with someone fit to tie his  bootlaces?  :-\



      Which leads to the question on Brucie's views regarding Pepe's exit, a pound to a pinch of sh*t he would condemn it as much as the majority on this forum or at Anfield on any match day.
      That in turn leads to an examination and the motives regarding the move:
      Was it based on form and the implications therein affecting the team's performance in the long term - no.
      Was it based on the fact that we had an excess of proficient shot stoppers - no, the reverse was true, Reina was our first and only choice between the sticks as subsequent events testified.
      Following on from that has the club benefitted from the transaction? The very thought is F***ing laughable.
      The balance sheet probably looked attractive from an accountants point of view although of minimal interest to anyone else who is distracted by the damage being done to LFC.

      To go a step further the above seems a blueprint for our owner's modus operandi from day F***ing 1, with the compulsory footnote/waffle about the long term/wait and see/you won't know until it hit's you in the F***ing gob etc etc.
      It seems their business ethic interprets in the long term as a 15 point wipe out in the Prem.
      « Last Edit: Nov 29, 2014 10:35:05 am by stuey »
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      Reply #61: Nov 29, 2014 10:10:16 am
      So in layman's terms Stuey & Mouse, what you're really saying is our owners and their elves get rid of anyone aka, Pepe, Luis,  Agger and anyone else who demand a higher wages structure than most, look out Gerrard, Johnson, etc and all those potential quality game changer trophy getting title landing signings we need to bring our club forward, 

      How dare we dare to dream that one day we can expect to see the premiership pennant flying high aloft the new Anfield,  how dare we dream of being the envy of Europe once again and be respected amongst the elite of the world's top club sides,....

      Is that the vision of J W HENRY & Co,  hmm, let's see now........?????


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      Reply #62: Nov 29, 2014 10:23:39 am
      That PR department must have worked overtime, considering Reina's now gathering splinters.  Surely he could have got a No. 1 slot somewhere. ???
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      Reply #63: Nov 29, 2014 10:43:46 am
      That PR department must have worked overtime, considering Reina's now gathering splinters.  Surely he could have got a No. 1 slot somewhere. ???

      Splinters or not his inclusion in the squad listing would be manna from heaven right now for BR.
      Who could have guessed it?  :f_whistle:

      So in layman's terms Stuey & Mouse, what you're really saying is our owners and their elves get rid of anyone aka, Pepe, Luis,  Agger and anyone else who demand a higher wages structure than most, look out Gerrard, Johnson, etc and all those potential quality game changer trophy getting title landing signings we need to bring our club forward, 

      How dare we dare to dream that one day we can expect to see the premiership pennant flying high aloft the new Anfield,  how dare we dream of being the envy of Europe once again and be respected amongst the elite of the world's top club sides,....

      Is that the vision of J W HENRY & Co,  hmm, let's see now........?????


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      In anyone's language mate the only dream our owner's contemplate is a viable marketing commodity, excellence is an unnecessary/optional accessory in the resume.
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      Reply #64: Nov 29, 2014 10:54:51 am
      Splinters or not his inclusion in the squad listing would be manna from heaven right now for BR.
      Who could have guessed it?  :f_whistle:

      Reina is one of the few that I really don't think was financial, whether that be not playing enough to justify the wages like Agger, or deemed to expensive for a squad not in the CL at the time (you can pick a few if you want).  Genuinely seemed to be some malice between himself and Rodgers.
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      Reply #65: Nov 29, 2014 11:30:13 am
       http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30248433


      The former Swansea boss also defended goalkeeper Simon Mignolet, who has come in for criticism from ex-Liverpool keeper Bruce Grobbelaar.

      "He's saved us in a number of games," said Rodgers. "His form is just like the team. We all need to be better.

      "Simon is fine, I had a good chat with him today.

      It's never easy taking criticism, whether it's deserved or not. But, it's part of the sport."



      Rodgers being asked about Mignolet.

      Looks like Mignolet stays  .....  and all that entails.  Head and sand come to mind.

      Disaster !
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      Reply #66: Nov 29, 2014 12:16:39 pm
      So in layman's terms Stuey & Mouse, what you're really saying is our owners and their elves get rid of anyone aka, Pepe, Luis,  Agger

      I don't know Billy - I'm sure you'll hear some very sound and eloquent arguments put forward for why each of the lads you mention had to go.

      Reina - everything from "Barcelona" to "Decline in form" to "Not getting on with Brendan" but Brendan, himself said it was a financial decision so... unless he was lying...

      Suarez - "He wanted to go." which is fair enough but John Henry, himself, the season before said - Luis wouldn't be allowed to go because we couldn't find a top quality replacement: what happened to that stance F**k only knows: maybe he was lying too?

      Agger - "Injured too often to warrant a wage/cost" - again fair enough, I suppose but... have his injury-prone 1st replacement or his error-prone 2nd replacement done enough to warrant their combined wages and £38m cost? I don't know.

      Which gets me back to the subject - Mignolet... Just another example of how false economies can cost more than a top quality player. Like or loathe Reina - just like Danny it's going to cost a lot more to replace him than he earned. ;)

      « Last Edit: Nov 29, 2014 12:28:16 pm by bad boy bubby »
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      Re: Brucie says reds need to replace Mignolet in January
      Reply #67: Nov 29, 2014 01:41:02 pm
      Reina is one of the few that I really don't think was financial, whether that be not playing enough to justify the wages like Agger, or deemed to expensive for a squad not in the CL at the time (you can pick a few if you want).  Genuinely seemed to be some malice between himself and Rodgers.

      As I remember Reina was one of the big earners at that time and the priority was reducing the club's outgoings by despatching said big earners and/or reducing the size of the squad.
      Either way our only credible keeper was history.
      There was some disquiet as to the qualification of his replacement, entirely justified as events have proved.
      There were some smoke and mirrors involving a girly spat with the manager, the upshot yet again tho' was a weakening of the squad - all part of the FSG long term plan it appears.
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      Reply #68: Nov 29, 2014 01:46:54 pm
      As I remember Reina was one of the big earners at that time and the priority was reducing the club's outgoings by despatching said big earners and/or reducing the size of the squad.
      Either way our only credible keeper was history.
      There was some disquiet as to the qualification of his replacement, entirely justified as events have proved.
      There were some smoke and mirrors involving a girly spat with the manager, the upshot yet again tho' was a weakening of the squad - all part of the FSG long term plan it appears.

      The story of Rodgers having an issue with Reina were around before he even took the job.
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      Reply #69: Nov 29, 2014 01:52:15 pm
      The problem for me has never been that we replaced Reina, just that the player we replaced him with is not good enough.
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      Reply #70: Nov 30, 2014 02:22:02 am
      Mignolet is still the best . I am disagree with Brucie  >:(
      Brucie you better keep silent
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      Reply #71: Nov 30, 2014 04:01:28 pm
      Mignolet is still the best . I am disagree with Brucie  >:(
      Brucie you better keep silent

      Haha then you am disagree with the majority of the civilized world, Grobelaar and LFC supporters that Mignolet doesn't deserve a starting place.
      Am you watching the right team?
       
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      Reply #72: Nov 30, 2014 05:05:12 pm
      Reina is one of the few that I really don't think was financial, whether that be not playing enough to justify the wages like Agger, or deemed to expensive for a squad not in the CL at the time (you can pick a few if you want).  Genuinely seemed to be some malice between himself and Rodgers.
      This is what i thought at the time, and still do, regardless of all the financial reasons that have been spouted.
      I was surprised at, not only that he was being squeezed out, but also in the underhand manner it seemed it was done in.
      I also think, like for like, he was a better keeper than Mignolet, and was surprised that we were even linked with Mignolet at the time, as he hadn't earned any massive reviews that I was aware of.
      I remember that good old Jersey Dudek, was replaced by Rafa, with Pepe, immediately took over. Perhaps B.R. was just trying to make a similar statement of intent. Which ultimately backfired.
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      Reply #73: Nov 30, 2014 05:34:18 pm
      This is what i thought at the time, and still do, regardless of all the financial reasons that have been spouted.
      I was surprised at, not only that he was being squeezed out, but also in the underhand manner it seemed it was done in.
      I also think, like for like, he was a better keeper than Mignolet, and was surprised that we were even linked with Mignolet at the time, as he hadn't earned any massive reviews that I was aware of.
      I remember that good old Jersey Dudek, was replaced by Rafa, with Pepe, immediately took over. Perhaps B.R. was just trying to make a similar statement of intent. Which ultimately backfired.

      I always got the impression Rodgers didn't like the whole "I'd like to go to Barca if they want me" from Reina who in turn didn't like being lied to that Mignolet was competition for his place only to be shipped out on loan without being asked. I guess he's having the last laugh right now though.
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      Reply #74: Nov 30, 2014 05:39:49 pm
      He might be right but he should also remember he had a shocking start to his career here. Maybe words of encouragement for the lad may be better or the offer to work with him to help him?

      You are so right Brian, Brucie used put the shits up us with his antics the first couple of seasons he played for us. Mignolet has let us down on so many occasions but so has the whole defence.I still believe in the old Bill Shankly  way get strength through the middle from the goalie to the  centre forward (Bill never called them strikers).
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      Reply #75: Nov 30, 2014 07:48:27 pm
      That's got me thinking Billy.

      I was still qiote young at the time (10ish)  so will happily bow to your recollection but wasn't the difference that Bruce used to make some bad judgements and (as I recall) the odd handling faux pas in the early years.

      I guess I'm saying that my problem with Migs is that he seems to want to avoid making decisions.....whereas Bruce made some poor ones.

      On balance I'd prefer to teach a keeper when not to rather than when to.....if that makes sense?
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      Reply #76: Dec 01, 2014 12:41:20 pm
      unless we can get a top keeper on a free I really cant see FSG splashing out more money on players to sovle the problem. its not the players that are the problem its the coaching staff. need a new GK coach and get Dr Peters back to sort their heads out
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      Reply #77: Dec 01, 2014 12:58:48 pm
      Mignolet is still the best . I am disagree with Brucie  >:(
      Brucie you better keep silent

      you may be on your own a bit there mate... he isnt good enough for us, and thats a fact

      as for silencing Brucie... :mad:
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      Reply #78: Dec 01, 2014 05:36:37 pm
      It is fairly obvious why we have brad jones as our backup.  Salary.

      If you are not willing to pay, you wont get the quality.

      If we can't put him in when we are in crisis from conceding too many goals then even a salary of ten quid a week is wasting £520 a year in my view.
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      Reply #79: Dec 01, 2014 05:39:25 pm
      That PR department must have worked overtime, considering Reina's now gathering splinters.  Surely he could have got a No. 1 slot somewhere. ???

      Yeah exactly. Even Rafa didn't want to sign him though he was available for a couple of million pounds.

      That PR department must have done quite a job to fool the entire world of professional football  :D
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      Reply #80: Dec 01, 2014 06:21:25 pm
      That's got me thinking Billy.

      I was still qiote young at the time (10ish)  so will happily bow to your recollection but wasn't the difference that Bruce used to make some bad judgements and (as I recall) the odd handling faux pas in the early years.

      I guess I'm saying that my problem with Migs is that he seems to want to avoid making decisions.....whereas Bruce made some poor ones.

      On balance I'd prefer to teach a keeper when not to rather than when to.....if that makes sense?

      I agree with you 100 %,it should also be remembered Brucie had excellent players in front of him so did not come under the pressure that Mignolet comes under. Having said that I still think we need top class keeper and sadly Mignolet is not top class.
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      Re: Brucie says reds need to replace Mignolet in January
      Reply #81: Dec 01, 2014 06:43:37 pm
      That PR department must have worked overtime, considering Reina's now gathering splinters.  Surely he could have got a No. 1 slot somewhere. ???

      Its should have  Been Migs gathering the splinters and Reina in goal for us but this was down to Rodgers & not the PR department.

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      Reply #82: Dec 01, 2014 10:01:53 pm
      I agree with you 100 %,it should also be remembered Brucie had excellent players in front of him so did not come under the pressure that Mignolet comes under. Having said that I still think we need top class keeper and sadly Mignolet is not top class.

      Very valid point re the defence Billy. We just seem so mannered at the back - oh for someone who just cleans out the trash.
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      Reply #83: Dec 01, 2014 11:50:33 pm
      Dear Santa

      Can we have a new goalie please ?

      Thank You and Merry Christmas  .



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      Reply #84: Dec 01, 2014 11:54:47 pm
      I still believe in the old Bill Shankly  way get strength through the middle from the goalie to the  centre forward (Bill never called them strikers).

      What did Chelsea do this summer ?

       Courtois    Fabregas   Da Costa  ...    spine of the team.

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      Reply #85: Dec 02, 2014 01:25:46 pm
      http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30248433


      The former Swansea boss also defended goalkeeper Simon Mignolet, who has come in for criticism from ex-Liverpool keeper Bruce Grobbelaar.

      "He's saved us in a number of games," said Rodgers. "His form is just like the team. We all need to be better.

      "Simon is fine, I had a good chat with him today.

      It's never easy taking criticism, whether it's deserved or not. But, it's part of the sport."



      Rodgers being asked about Mignolet.

      Looks like Mignolet stays  .....  and all that entails.  Head and sand come to mind.

      Disaster !

      BR HAS to stand by his keeper. Half way through a season he cannot be using his second or third choices. By him saying "I had a good chat with him today" I think he meant 'get your sh*t together'
      I think we will see a replacement over the summer but I believe Mignolet will keep his spot until then.
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      Reply #86: Dec 02, 2014 01:29:05 pm
      What did Chelsea do this summer ?

       Courtois    Fabregas   Da Costa  ...    spine of the team.



      What did we do this summer?.

      Reina- Agger- Suarez- ...... Spine of the team sold :D
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      Reply #87: Dec 03, 2014 08:59:00 am
      What did we do this summer?.

      Reina- Agger- Suarez- ...... Spine of the team sold :D

      Exactimundo Shabs.

      Another howler from Mignolet last night. 
      The Kop was always referred to as a goal start.

      Now Migs is. . .

      For the opposition.
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      Re: Brucie says reds need to replace Mignolet in January
      Reply #88: Dec 03, 2014 11:07:23 am
      I said the other day that the first thing which goes amongst fans when things aren't going well is the ability to reason. They start running around blaming all and sundry, clamouring for someone who they can remember having a good game once to be included, calling for the managers head and all sorts of nonsense. They jump to the wrong conclusions about what has caused the demise, often addressing the symptom rather than the cause of the problem. It happens with players too, which is why managers by and large go to experienced players in times of crisis, cool heads who can see the woods from the trees. The next thing to fall by the wayside amongst fans is their memory. They forget that such and such a player has had dips in form before and yet has still come back to be their player of the season, they forget that the same player has played well in a certain position many times. They also forget the manager that only a few months ago had the team purring, they crave change as if change in itself will change fortunes.

      Mignolet is a classic case in point. Peoples reason has gone as far as he is concerned, each mistake highlighted to the nth degree, each miskick put under the microscope. Their memory has gone with Mignolet too. They forget both the world class save which won us the points against Stoke, and they forget exactly how bad Brad Jones is. Aside from his calamitous pass which he got away with last night, Mignolet did alright. He was very unlucky with the goal (a few seconds earlier he had actually pulled off a fine save) and he has conceded one goal in the last two matches.

      Now is not the time for knee jerk, it's the time for calm heads and confidence. Those who advocate the changing of the non injured goalkeeper mid match via a substitution have never played football to a serious level before. They have no idea how much pressure this would put the rest of the team under. Similarly, those who advocate the changing of a goalkeeper while you are trying to rebuild the confidence of a teams defence aren't being serious either. Brucie was a good goalkeeper in his day and he had more than his share of detractors and calamities. He should afford Mignolet the same consideration and sympathy as well as no small measure of belief that the Kop gave him.   
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      Re: Brucie says reds need to replace Mignolet in January
      Reply #89: Dec 03, 2014 12:18:38 pm
      Some of us have probably gone through this. If we keep making fundamental mistakes in our job over a considerable period of time, we'll probably be disillusioned about our ability to contribute to the organization we are working for at some point in time. The kid's confidence's probably devastated by now. That includes the sh*t he has to take from his superiors. Just like how we need to constantly answer to our bosses.

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