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      Why are we so bad at handling player transitions?

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      Hollywood Balls
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      Why are we so bad at handling player transitions?
      Dec 15, 2014 10:53:59 am
      As a club we have frequently been accused of being a "one man team" in recent years.

      As the standard of the group has been dragged upwards by individual performances you can see why club outsiders may say that. In our recent history it can be argued that all of our managers have been defined by how they have handled the transition of those players.

      Rafa sold Xabi in controversial circumstances and found it hard to recover.

      Hodge tried to reshape Reina's game completely unsuccessfully and started the process which saw him leaving the club.

      Kenny failed to bring Carra's time at the club to the end it needed to have and only managed to get rid of Torres through the good fortune of him hitting the self destruct button.

      Now Brendan has seemingly bet his cards on a waning Steven Gerrard and has scrambled to cover the loss of Suarez which appears to have come as a huge surprise to the club.


      Contrast the handling of those players with the way Ferguson sold Ronaldo or Mourinho dealt with Mata - both deals that were eagerly derided at the time. In our own history there is no greater example than Bob Paisley restructuring Shankly's successful but ageing side.


      If identifying, buying ,coaching and disposing of top level players is the difference between a good and a great club then why have we done so badly despite hiring the best coach in Europe (RB), a club legend (KD), an experienced English coach (RH) or an ambitious up and comer (BR) and how do we improve our performance in this regard?
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      Reply #1: Dec 15, 2014 12:31:21 pm
      Because as you know full well, we sell a player for a lot.
      And we replace him with sh*t that costs much less, and is paid much less.

      Suarez sold for 75m
      Balotelli bought for 15m... or loaned in a shifty, complex deal.

      End of thread.

      Masch for Poulsen
      Torres for Carroll (an absolute fraction of the wages btw)
      Reina for Mignolet/Jones
      Alonso for Aquilani then Adam then Allen/Henderson.

      Rafa wanted Jovetic to replace Alonso. Purslow agreed then welshed on the agreement. Aquilani was brought in because Purslow said he could use a credit they had against Roma. Not pure football reasons, but corporate greed ones.

      Cheap sh*t replacements = cheap sh*t teams
      Not exactly a case for Sherlock Holmes is it!
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      Reply #2: Dec 15, 2014 02:01:35 pm
      That's bollocks though isn't it?

      Although you are always trying to frame things in terms of how much FSG are spending, in the example you gave, Torres was sold and we smashed the British transfer record to buy Andy Carroll AND doubled our bid to buy Suarez.

      Looking back now, given trhe chance again we would repeate that deal a hundred times out of a hundred. But it was lucky that FSG took that decision because Kenny certainly didn't want Torres to leave. Without the striker pulling the plug we would have been lumbered with him and would not have completed the Suarez signing.

      There's no way Bob Paisley would have kept him with his busted knee - we all remember the quotes. It's not a question of money, it's how we can improve the transitions of our best players. That is the glass ceiling preventing our success.

      Next in line is Sturridge, Sterling and possibly Coutinho.
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      Reply #3: Dec 15, 2014 03:01:56 pm
      Nonsense that isnt worthy of a response as usual...

      Yeah thats right. Everyone Fenway  have bought has been world class and expensive.
      And Suarez, Masch, Alonso, Torre etc have always been crap and sold for pennies.
      And being greedy wage slashing bas**rds had nothing to do with it either.
      Happy now? You have a convert. Henry is the patron saint of LFC, the new Shankly.
      Praise be to John!

      Shouldn't you be posting at Rawp.com? :roll:
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      Reply #4: Dec 15, 2014 03:28:04 pm
      All I know is I have been in a bad mood since June 2007 and it gets worse every day.
      Football is a largely emotional business and the same rules don't apply in the real world.FSG have tried to impose a new way but look what has happened we have spent a fortune on at best AVG players and just look at the team that has left since 2007.
      If we cant afford a full squad of top lads cut the squad down and fill the gaps with youth but you just cant replace quality with quantity .
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      Reply #5: Dec 15, 2014 03:44:58 pm
      Nonsense that isnt worthy of a response as usual...

      Yeah thats right. Everyone Fenway  have bought has been world class and expensive.
      And Suarez, Masch, Alonso, Torre etc have always been crap and sold for pennies.
      And being greedy wage slashing bas**rds had nothing to do with it either.
      Happy now? You have a convert. Henry is the patron saint of LFC, the new Shankly.
      Praise be to John!

      Shouldn't you be posting at Rawp.com? :roll:

      Eh?

      If we have been constantly selling our best players and going downhill since Moores was in charge then how do you explain the fact we sold Bellamy and got Torres? Sold Torres and got Suarez? Sold Carroll and got Sturridge?

      Point of the threrad is that we have handled those transitions badly.

      If it was down to Kenny we would have had Torres moping around and leading the line with his fu**ed knee. Instead FSG called his bluff and brought Suarez in to replace him.

      Really you should be writing John Henry a thankyou note - unless you think Fernando would have won us the league last year  ;)
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      Reply #6: Dec 15, 2014 04:43:08 pm
      Eh?



      Really you should be writing John Henry a thankyou note

      Obviously a Manc. And a particularly tiresome one. I think thats clear for all to see.  :roll:
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      Reply #7: Dec 15, 2014 04:50:44 pm
      Obviously a Manc. And a particularly tiresome one. I think thats clear for all to see.  :roll:

      You don't have to be a Manc to point out the bullshit you keep coming out with. You moan and moan about us constantly replacing our players with worse ones yet Torres, Suarez and Sturridge have been some of the best strikers we have ever had play for us in the club's history. Fact.

      I know you'll choose to ignore that massive flaw in your logic as you always do but thread readers can see for themselves what the reality is.
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      Reply #8: Dec 15, 2014 04:59:00 pm
      You don't have to be a Manc to point out the bullshit you keep coming out with. You moan and moan about us constantly replacing our players with worse ones yet Torres, Suarez and Sturridge have been some of the best strikers we have ever had play for us in the club's history. Fact.

      I know you'll choose to ignore that massive flaw in your logic as you always do but thread readers can see for themselves what the reality is.

      You're an embarrassment to the corporation you attempt to represent.
      You claiming someone has "flaws in their logic" is like the Jimmy Savile saying someone is "a bit weird". :roll:
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      Reply #9: Dec 15, 2014 06:41:08 pm
      You're an embarrassment to the corporation you attempt to represent.
      You claiming someone has "flaws in their logic" is like the Jimmy Savile saying someone is "a bit weird". :roll:

      Sure mate, keep banging the Rogan Taylor drum. According to you we can spend hundreds of millions each transfer window and storm the league that way.  ???

      The fact you haven't addressed the glaring flaw in your logic hasn't gone unnoticed by the way. If your answers had any credibility you wouldn't mind answering some basic questions about them. Instead you hide behind the sofa.  xxxxx:action-smiley-065:
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      Reply #10: Dec 15, 2014 07:31:34 pm
      Yeah thats it. Sell any stars, buy low wage kids and we'll walk the league.
      The magic formula. Ricky Lambert will go down in history...
      Just like Real, Bayern, Man C, Chelsea, Manc Utd.

      Do you get paid per post? Or a gross value according to the amount of idiocy? Either way, its very tiresome.
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      Reply #11: Dec 15, 2014 08:12:06 pm
      Yeah thats it. Sell any stars, buy low wage kids and we'll walk the league.
      The magic formula. Ricky Lambert will go down in history...
      Just like Real, Bayern, Man C, Chelsea, Manc Utd.

      Do you get paid per post? Or a gross value according to the amount of idiocy? Either way, its very tiresome.

      Which top stars did Moores buy that were so much better than Torres, Suarez or Sturridge?

      Simple question that you shouldn't have any difficulty answering - or are you going to peg it behind the sofa again?  :couch:
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      Reply #12: Dec 15, 2014 08:22:57 pm
      Which top stars did Moores buy that were so much better than Torres, Suarez or Sturridge?

      Well, you can put Alonso into that category and Cisse.

      But, I don't think we have bought any established world class players... ever?
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      Reply #13: Dec 15, 2014 08:24:38 pm
      Which top stars did Moores buy that were so much better than Torres, Suarez or Sturridge?

      Simple question that you shouldn't have any difficulty answering - or are you going to peg it behind the sofa again?  :couch:

      Moored never said "I would say we certainly have the resources to compete with anybody in football,", like our owners did.
      http://www.espn.co.uk/football/sport/story/145763.html#40WMx5kS3cjComBi.99

      We can't even compete with F***ing Arsenal, F***ing bollocks can we compete with any club in world football.
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      Reply #14: Dec 15, 2014 08:30:49 pm
      Moored never said "I would say we certainly have the resources to compete with anybody in football,", like our owners did.
      http://www.espn.co.uk/football/sport/story/145763.html#40WMx5kS3cjComBi.99

      We can't even compete with f**king Arsenal, f**king bollocks can we compete with any club in world football.

      I think he said he could put in £20 mil a season which is £20mil more than FSG intend to do.
      We can compete with anyone who is willing to spend less than us
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      Reply #15: Dec 15, 2014 08:32:25 pm
      Well, you can put Alonso into that category and Cisse.

      But, I don't think we have bought any established world class players... ever?

      Alonso was a great signing by Rafa but was a ten million pound outlay from Sociedad for the owner.

      Cisse was a big money player who proved a flop.

      I agree as a club we don't sign world stars but our recent history runs completely counter to American Plant's narrative of constantly downgrading our players since Moores sold the club.

      Don't worry though, I'm sure he will be along in a second to provide an answer to the question put to him.
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      Reply #16: Dec 15, 2014 08:35:53 pm
      Moored never said "I would say we certainly have the resources to compete with anybody in football,", like our owners did.
      http://www.espn.co.uk/football/sport/story/145763.html#40WMx5kS3cjComBi.99

      We can't even compete with f**king Arsenal, f**king bollocks can we compete with any club in world football.

      Arsenal have the biggest cash reserves in the league - if we are competing for a player of proven worth I think we can put in a competitive offer.

      What we can't do is splash out tens of millions on fees and wages to have players sit on the bench or in loan pools like our rivals can.
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      Reply #17: Dec 15, 2014 08:40:00 pm
      I think he said he could put in £20 mil a season which is £20mil more than FSG intend to do.
      We can compete with anyone who is willing to spend less than us

      20m is the equiv of 45m or so today. Maybe even more, I cant be bothered to give an exact figure.

      Ultimately Fenway are nothing but confidence tricksters. And the modus operandi of confidence tricksters includes going online pretending to be fans and talking sh*te that bigs these crooks up.
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      Reply #18: Dec 15, 2014 08:43:24 pm
      I'm sure he will be along in a second to provide an answer to the question put to him.

      Not really. You're either a Manc troll or a plant as far as I can see. No real fan could come out with the offensive drivel you write all week long. Accordingly you aren't worth the time of day.
      The facts are very clear. The only one that pretends to struggle with them is you. And you alt nics.

      PS CIsse = big money? Erm what was Rio Ferdinand?
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      Reply #19: Dec 15, 2014 08:45:04 pm
      funny when Hicks and Gillette bought Torres for a club record fee and promised to spend £30 mil they sold Bellamy,cisse and Garcia for a similar amount (£20mil for Torres)it seems the dirty tricks started 7 years ago hence my 7 year bad mood.
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      Reply #20: Dec 15, 2014 08:45:44 pm
      Well, you can put Alonso into that category and Cisse.

      But, I don't think we have bought any established world class players... ever?

      Clearly you've only looked at the last 3 years then.

      Dont names like Dalglish, Torres, Mascherano and many others mean anything to you?
      Evidently not.
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      Reply #21: Dec 15, 2014 08:49:58 pm
      Not really. You're either a Manc troll or a plant as far as I can see. No real fan could come out with the offensive drivel you write all week long. Accordingly you aren't worth the time of day.
      The facts are very clear. The only one that pretends to struggle with them is you. And you alt nics.

      PS CIsse = big money? Erm what was Rio Ferdinand?

      Question asked, question avoided. Colour me surprised.
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      Reply #22: Dec 15, 2014 08:52:12 pm
      Clearly you've only looked at the last 3 years then.

      Dont names like Dalglish, Torres, Mascherano and many others mean anything to you?
      Evidently not.


      Barnes Beardsley Sean Dundee the list is endless.Just go on wiki and find out the facts going back as far as you want as DLS  he will know he even has his name after one

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