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      insideanfield
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      The 'Committee'
      Dec 16, 2014 02:31:05 pm
      Interesting read, this. Although how accurate it is, is left for you to decide. For example, the Committee was not in place when Liverpool bought both Borini and Allen.

      http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2296954-inside-line-liverpools-transfer-committee-has-been-a-spectacular-failure
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      Reply #1: Dec 16, 2014 02:42:58 pm
      How do you spend more than Ā£215 million on transfer and loan fees and sign 24 footballers but end up with only two who have significantly improved your first team?

      You hire Liverpool's infamous "Transfer Committee."

      Established in the summer of 2012 to introduce science and collective decision-making to the club's recruitment policy, Liverpool's committee is formally composed of four individualsā€”Brendan Rodgers (manager), Ian (chief executive), Dave Fallows (head of recruitment) and Michael Edwards (head of performance analysis).

      Their collective conclusions have been little short of catastrophic. More than half of the Transfer Committee's spending occurred this last summer, when Rodgers boasted of having a "different vision" and a clear transfer "strategy" to Sky Sports (h/t ESPN FC). Yet with that spending, Liverpool have descended to ninth in the Premier League, scoring just seven times in eight home games.

      As they were outplayed and ousted from the Champions League by FC Basel on Tuesday night, Rodgers chose to start just two of Anfield's high-tariff summer recruits.

      One of them, Rickie Lambert, began at centre-forward despite, as captain Steven Gerrard put it, having "ran himself into the ground the last five games."


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      Rodgers had such little faith in his other strikers that he named no backup to the weary Lambert for a must-win game.

      Watching from the stands were two Transfer Committee specials: Mario Balotelli (read about his contract here), who was still sidelined with the peculiarly intransigent injury that brought a halt to the Italian's embarrassing barren spell leading Liverpool's attack, and Fabio Borini, the ā‚¬13.3 million acquisition from AS Roma who Rodgers told the club's website "the supporters will love" in his first spell at the club.

      Between them, Balotelli, Borini and Lambert have delivered just two league goals in 40 Liverpool appearances.

      Forwards are by no means the sole area of underperformance. Simon Mignolet is a Ā£9 million goalkeeper for whom Liverpool were scouting replacements before his first season was even complete.

      More than Ā£45 million in fees have been spent on three centre-backs, yet Rodgers still frequently pairs the error-prone Martin Skrtel with the greatly declined Kolo Toure (brought in for free but with high wages).

      Still more money has been spent on midfielders, only for Rodgers to use four inherited players for five starting in midweek.


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      The Northern Irishman's apologists like to use the committee to absolve him of blame for many of these signings. The truth is more insidious.

      Rodgers has the power of veto over any transfer target proposed by , Edwards, Fallows or chief scout Barry Hunter. The rest of the committee can veto any player proposed by Rodgers.

      In the manager's first summer at Anfield, for example, he asked for a cavalcade of his former Swansea City charges, including Leon Britton, Gylfi Sigurdsson, Neil Taylor and Michel . Purchases were restricted to an inflated Ā£15m fee for Joe Allen.

      In May, Rodgers explained his significant role in the Liverpool transfer process to James Pearce of the Liverpool Echo:

      Obviously, I am involved heavily in the identification of the player.

      The principal idea when I first came in was that like any manager you will have the first call on a player and the last call.

      That's the call on whether he's good enough to continue to look at and try to organise a deal and the last call to say yes or no.

      There is a big part that goes on in between. In modern football you need to trust other people to do the work. That's something we do here and that's why we have had the success we've had.
      Edwards is the committee's other main protagonist. A former video analyst whom Damien Comolli brought with him from Tottenham Hotspur, Edwards gained the trust of Liverpool's principal owner, John W. Henry, by presenting a statistical model for analysing potential signings.

      Famously enamoured with Billy Beane's sabermetric approach to hiring baseball players, Henry believed that in the young Englishman he had a football equivalent.

      Edwards was invited to spend time with Henry at the businessman's Florida mansion. His guidance was taken seriously when Henry and the rest of Fenway Sports Group sought a replacement for former Reds manager Roy Hodgson.


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      Aware that numbers mattered to FSG's vision for the club, Edwards appointed Ian Graham as Liverpool's director of research. Holder of a PhD in theoretical physics, Graham had developed a computer programme designed to add discriminative value to player performance statistics provided by companies such as ProZone.

      When Rodgers, a scout or an agent suggested Liverpool sign a particular player, Edwards would have the player's numbers run through the Graham model. If the computer said no, the deal was off.

      When Red Bull Salzburg were looking for a buyer for Sadio Mane in the summer, Liverpool were one of the clubs approached. Graham's analysis indicated the Senegal international wasn't good enough, so Mane ended up at Southampton instead (paid for with a fraction of the money Rodgers channelled to the South Coast club for Adam Lallana, Dejan Lovren and Lambert).

      Mane's new club currently sit fifth in the league table, five points ahead of Liverpool.

      Edwards' backing of a "moneyball" approach and Rodgers' limited knowledge of non-Premier League players has led to several standoffs.

      Oussama Assaidi and Sahin were Edwards' men whom Rodgers assented to signing then hardly used in their preferred positions.

      After seven league appearances in five months, Sahin's loan was terminated. The Turkey international ended the 2012-13 season playing a Champions League final for Borussia Dortmund.

      Assaidi, recently identified by Raheem Sterling as his most skilful team-mate, per Sky Sports, was permitted a total of 83 minutes in the league before being loaned to Stoke City for the last two seasons.

      In their first summer working together, Edwards pushed for Fiorentina centre-back Matija Nastasic to be recruited. Rodgers wanted a player with Premier League experience, but during the standoff, Manchester City bought the Serb instead.

      Nastasic was named Manchester City's Young Player of the Year during his first season in England, while Liverpool still hasn't found a reliable central defender.

      For another Premier League manager whose club also utilised the Graham model, part of that comes as no surprise.

      "That guy was a serious nerd," he says. "And the program was ridiculous. The parameters were set from his own view of what a defender, midfielder or attacker should do. They were ludicrous and inaccurate."

      For two Anfield years, Luis Suarez's unalloyed excellence compensated for a multitude of recruitment and coaching sins. Yet between Edwards' faith in analytics and Rodgers' poor eye for a player, Liverpool have managed to blow well in excess of Ā£250,000,000 pounds once payoffs and agents' fee are factored in.

      Even the committee's conspicuous success, Daniel Sturridge, was recommended by an unconvinced Rodgers to only be brought in on loan.

      If you were the man who paid this pair to run your football club, you'd be forgiven for wondering if you might not be better off replacing both of them.

      Duncan Castles writes for the Sunday Times, Sports Illustrated, Champions magazine and others. A respected figure with an inside track, he has built a reputation for breaking transfer stories.
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      Re: The 'Committee'
      Reply #2: Dec 16, 2014 02:51:37 pm
      it was much easier meeting in motorway service stations clutching a brown paper bag stuffed with money.
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      Reply #3: Dec 16, 2014 03:03:55 pm
      It's easy to see from the people in that transfer committee why they're failing. Not enough football minds in there, very little football experience too. Ayre shouldn't even be in there, should at the most be involved with financial limitations put on the committee. Edwards shouldn't be in there either, he should be an advisor to the committee. I know very little about Fallows, but is it smart to bring someone over from a club that had unlimited spending, how did they meassure his performance there and how would that experience even apply to a club in our situation.

      The article lacks some nuance though, especially when bringing up Nastasic and ManƩ.
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      Reply #4: Dec 16, 2014 03:51:43 pm
      In May, Rodgers explained his significant role in the Liverpool transfer process to James Pearce of the Liverpool Echo:

      Obviously, I am involved heavily in the identification of the player.

      The principal idea when I first came in was that like any manager you will have the first call on a player and the last call.

      That's the call on whether he's good enough to continue to look at and try to organise a deal and the last call to say yes or no.













      Edwards' backing of a "moneyball" approach and Rodgers' limited knowledge of non-Premier League players has led to several standoffs.

      Oussama Assaidi and Sahin were Edwards' men whom Rodgers assented to signing then hardly used in their preferred positions.

      After seven league appearances in five months, Sahin's loan was terminated. The Turkey international ended the 2012-13 season playing a Champions League final for Borussia Dortmund.

      Assaidi, recently identified by Raheem Sterling as his most skilful team-mate, per Sky Sports, was permitted a total of 83 minutes in the league before being loaned to Stoke City for the last two seasons.

      In their first summer working together, Edwards pushed for Fiorentina centre-back Matija Nastasic to be recruited. Rodgers wanted a player with Premier League experience, but during the standoff, Manchester City bought the Serb instead.

      Nastasic was named Manchester City's Young Player of the Year during his first season in England, while Liverpool still hasn't found a reliable central defender.

      For another Premier League manager whose club also utilised the Graham model, part of that comes as no surprise.

      "That guy was a serious nerd," he says. "And the program was ridiculous. The parameters were set from his own view of what a defender, midfielder or attacker should do. They were ludicrous and inaccurate."

      For two Anfield years, Luis Suarez's unalloyed excellence compensated for a multitude of recruitment and coaching sins. Yet between Edwards' faith in analytics and Rodgers' poor eye for a player, Liverpool have managed to blow well in excess of Ā£250,000,000 pounds once payoffs and agents' fee are factored in.

      Even the committee's conspicuous success, Daniel Sturridge, was recommended by an unconvinced Rodgers to only be brought in on loan.

      If you were the man who paid this pair to run your football club, you'd be forgiven for wondering if you might not be better off replacing both of them.

      Duncan Castles writes for the Sunday Times, Sports Illustrated, Champions magazine and others. A respected figure with an inside track, he has built a reputation for breaking transfer stories.[/news]

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      Re: The 'Committee'
      Reply #5: Dec 16, 2014 04:54:20 pm
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      Liverpool will undergo a complete review of their player recruitment strategy after struggling to implement a host of new signings this season.

      The Merseyside club sit 11th in the Premier League and have been knocked out of the Champions League group stages, with two wins from their last 10 games in all competitions.

      After Luis Suarez was sold to Barcelona for Ā£75million, the Reds spent over Ā£100m on eight new players last summer, including Ā£16m on Mario Balotelli.

      Sky Sports reporter Vinny Oā€™Connor understands a meeting will be held between head of recruitment Dave Fallows, managing director Ian Ayre and manager Brendan Rodgers ahead of the January transfer window.

      "There is talk today that Liverpool are going to have a full review their transfer procedure; how their committee decides on transfer targets and how they go about bringing them in," Oā€™Connor said.

      "Liverpool missed out on a big target in Alexis Sanchez last summer. His decision to go to Arsenal was a major hindrance in the club's transfer plans.

      "They thought there was a deal to be done there, perhaps as part of the Suarez or separately, but it added to the list of recent failed signings along with Yevhen Konoplyanka, the Ukranian winger, and Mohamed Salah, who went to Chelsea."

      Speaking ahead of his sideā€™s League Cup quarter-final against Bournemouth, boss Rodgers suggested he would welcome a meeting of this kind.

      ā€œWithin, we are very analytical of performance and analyse how weā€™re doing for constant improvement,ā€ he said.

      ā€œBut my work is very much focused on the players that we do have, on trying to improve them individually and as a team. I think Iā€™ve shown in my career as a coach and a manager that thatā€™s what I get my teeth into.ā€

      http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11669/9608922/transfer-news-liverpool-to-undergo-complete-review-of-player-recruitment-strategy


      It's good that they are reviewing it and seems as if they're acknowledging their transfers are wrong.
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      Re: The 'Committee'
      Reply #6: Dec 16, 2014 05:02:07 pm
      If Duncan castles told me it was Christmas i would check the calendar
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      Reply #7: Dec 16, 2014 05:03:00 pm
      Duncan Castles is a MASSIVE bellend who takes no bigger pleasure in wanking one off to Liverpools struggles this season.

      Nevertheless some interesting points if true.
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      Reply #8: Dec 16, 2014 08:01:32 pm
      Christ it's just embarrassing isn't it why do you need a committee /DOF ???.
      Keep it bloody simple manager wants player A.....go and get the player the manager wants stop fannying around looking at cheaper options or haggling over a mill here or a mill their or 10 grand a week saving here and their just F***ing pay it and be done.

      I was quite pleased with FSG at the start but maybe that was just the false glow of happiness after the club I love was so nearly taken to the brink by a couple of cu*ts .
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      Re: The 'Committee'
      Reply #9: Dec 16, 2014 08:04:14 pm
      Christ it's just embarrassing isn't it why do you need a committee /DOF ???.
      Keep it bloody simple manager wants player A.....go and get the player the manager wants stop fannying around looking at cheaper options or haggling over a mill here or a mill their or 10 grand a week saving here and their just F***ing pay it and be done.

      I was quite pleased with FSG at the start but maybe that was just the false glow of happiness after the club I love was so nearly taken to the brink by a couple of cu*ts .


      What I don't get though is that we're haggling over a million or two when it comes to top quality players but then we can't give money away quick enough when clubs demand 'x' amount for average players like Lovren, Borini, Allen, Balotelli etc.
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      Reply #10: Dec 16, 2014 11:00:40 pm
      I say give Rodgers full control, then if he fucks it up we'll know who to blame!
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      Reply #11: Dec 16, 2014 11:06:21 pm
      Lets face it, Martinez turned the job down over "the Committee". And he aint exactly the new Rafa.

      And Rodgers was arguing with Ayresole over the "Committee" in his unveiling press conference.

      It was a marriage made in sh*t.
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      Reply #12: Dec 16, 2014 11:17:31 pm
        Established in the summer of 2012 to introduce science and collective decision-making to the club's recruitment policy, Liverpool's committee is formally composed of four individualsā€”Brendan Rodgers (manager), Ian (chief executive), Dave Fallows (head of recruitment) and Michael Edwards (head of performance analysis).

      We still may want to blame the 'committee' and we may well be correct but it still doesn't change the fact that every club still operates broadly in the same way as the names and positions mentioned above without calling it a 'committee'.

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      Reply #13: Dec 17, 2014 12:21:09 am
      well we knew FSG wanted a "yes man" - maybe now that they've seen first hand what a committee of non-football and non-Liverpool heads can do, they will reconsider their structure??
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      Reply #14: Dec 17, 2014 12:34:42 am
      The committee in and of itself isn't the issue, no manager does the work of transfers all on his own. He'd never get any management time in if he didn't have support of scouts and I'm fairly certain all teams conduct statistical analysis on players in the modern game. The problem lies in its structure. If Pearce is to be believed (from the interview posted earlier today) then Rodgers is handed a short list of players to choose from. If you hand him a short list of Borini, Lambert and Aspas he's going to pick the least worse candidate but hand him a short list of Falcao, Costa and Cavani and he'll be like a kid in a sweet shop. Improve that list and we improve the inevitable transfers. The bit I would cut out is Ian Ayre, not because I dislike him or think he's an FSG stooge, but because the manager should be able to use his budget as he sees fit. Oversight comes from your success at the end of the season.
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      Re: The 'Committee'
      Reply #15: Dec 17, 2014 03:35:33 am
      Let's put it this way, if I was a PL recruiter and wanted to buy a player from Salzburg, I'd be looking at Soriano or Alan. Not Mane.
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      Reply #16: Dec 17, 2014 06:42:36 am
      In order to protect their privacy the transfer committee will now be known as the faceless wonders. Let's face it if you  were responsible for some of our signings you would not want your name made public. It is about time the committee fronted up to the fans and gave us the reason for some of our inept signings.
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      Reply #17: Dec 17, 2014 10:16:26 am
      Considering the fact that Dave Fallows and Barry Hunter (our chief scout and the man directly responsible for the AA duo in terms of performance and reliability Luis Alberto and Iago Aspas) were both brought in after Brendan came and considering that Barry Hunter is mates with Brendan from their Reading days and that Brendan himself said that "From Daveā€™s position, he would only accept the job if someone like myself was coming in.ā€ would it be safe to make an educated guess that 2 of the 5 principal members of this committee (who are responsible for us picking the players we sign) were brought in by Brendan.

      So then would it be safe to make an educated guess and say that Brendan has a lot more power than we're being led to believe?. So then would it be safe to make an educated guess and say that Brendan is also responsible and culpable for the shocking performance in terms of scouting that his mates have put in during their time here?

      And in terms of Brendan's Committee going for quantity this summer, didn't Brendan Rodgers himself say that his vision was " I'm talking about
      two players in every outfield position and your three goalkeepers. Then below that having young players who can support that"

      Well using the 4-1-2-1-2 or Diamond formation which worked so well for us last season:

                              Mignolet
      - Johnson - Skrtel - Lovren - Moreno -
                             - Gerrard -
                 - Henderson - Coutinho -
                               - Sterling -
                 -  Sturridge - Balotelli -

                                    Jones
      - Manquillo - Toure - Sakho - Enrique -
                              -  Lucas -
                      - Emre Can - Allen -
                             - Markovic -
                       - Lambert - Borini -

      And what do you know that's 2 players for every position in the team... All we're missing is that third goalkeeper! Wait aren't we being linked with a barrage of goalkeepers this January window? Yep, Brendan's team is almost complete!

      And as I sit here and read people saying "sack the coaching team" (which was brought in by Brendan) or "sack the committee" (3/5 of which is made up of Brendan and his cronies, 1/2 if you ignore Fallows' sidekick) or "why the hell aren't we bringing kids through" (whilst our reserve team coach is Alex Inglethorpe who was brought in by Brendan and a lot of the players plying their trade in our reserve team were brought in by Brendan) and then those very same people turn around and say Brendan should be given four more years (thank you Stan Collymore now go back to that rock in Spain you were hiding under)

      I wonder if maybe, just maybe, people don't realise how many of our problems have Brendan's fingerprints all over them. When Brendan was struggling when he first got here he could turn to the youth team and call on Suso, Sterling, Jordan Ibe, Andre Wisdom and Jon Flanagan because Rafa Benitez, Rodolfo Borrell and Frank McParland had done a terrific job replenishing our barren youth teams whose standout graduates before the restructuring had been the likes of Jay Spearing. Can Brendan turn around and rely on the youth team he himself has constructed?

      Now am I saying that if we sacked Brendan tomorrow or even at the end of the season all of our problems would instantly disappear? Of course not, too much damage has been dealt. But will things improve if Brendan stays here in the long term? As our friends in the hippity-hop business say "nah n*gga". Brendan isn't the Robert Walton of this tale he's Victor Frankenstein and we're staring at his monster's ugly mug right now.
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      Reply #18: Dec 17, 2014 10:24:46 am
      The issue isn't that Brendan gets advice from scouts, or that ultimately the money men have the final say (otherwise every manager would buy Messi and bust the club). Neither is it the issue that "performance analysts" crunch some numbers and stick two penneth in as well. It's not even an issue that Ayre gets involved, given he's the one who's going to be doing the negotiating (God only knows what these multi millionaire players think when he turns up but anyway).

      The issue is none of the above. The issue is that they ALL HAVE AN EQUAL VOTE. This is an absolute f****** nonsense. Ultimately, Brendan is the manager and he (or whoever else has the job) must surely make the final decision? I mean the stats analysis guy maybe said "I'm sorry but based on my computer programme Diego Costa isn't worth 20 million quid". Ayres says "nah I don't rate him either" and that's pretty much it.

      I don't have a computer programme but I could tell them that Wilfried Bony would definately score goals for Liverpool. He may not ideally fit our style of play (he doesn't really, but neither do Balotelli and Lambert) but I can absolutely guarantee, 100% certain that Bony would score goals for Liverpool, lots of them.

      Someone will come on now and say you can't "guarantee" but they're wrong, I can.
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      Reply #19: Dec 17, 2014 10:37:44 am
      The issue isn't that Brendan gets advice from scouts, or that ultimately the money men have the final say (otherwise every manager would buy Messi and bust the club). Neither is it the issue that "performance analysts" crunch some numbers and stick two penneth in as well. It's not even an issue that Ayre gets involved, given he's the one who's going to be doing the negotiating (God only knows what these multi millionaire players think when he turns up but anyway).

      The issue is none of the above. The issue is that they ALL HAVE AN EQUAL VOTE. This is an absolute f****** nonsense. Ultimately, Brendan is the manager and he (or whoever else has the job) must surely make the final decision? I mean the stats analysis guy maybe said "I'm sorry but based on my computer programme Diego Costa isn't worth 20 million quid". Ayres says "nah I don't rate him either" and that's pretty much it.

      I don't have a computer programme but I could tell them that Wilfried Bony would definately score goals for Liverpool. He may not ideally fit our style of play (he doesn't really, but neither do Balotelli and Lambert) but I can absolutely guarantee, 100% certain that Bony would score goals for Liverpool, lots of them.

      Someone will come on now and say you can't "guarantee" but they're wrong, I can.

      I can guarantee that Di Natale would score goals too but should the club spend 25 million euros getting him here? After a year his value will be zero when he retires and our 25 million would have gone down the drain. Good fo rthe manager's short term prospects, bad for the club's long term prospects.

      We are already at a massive financial disadvantage compared to our rivals - we simply can't afford to make mistakes like that so whether it's through a DOF or committee the club need to have a say on the incoming players to make sure they return some value in the medium term for us. Managers no longer stick around at clubs for ten to fifteen years, at the elite level they are turned over relatively quickly and the best run teams ensure that the style of play doesn't swing wildly from one season to the next.

      It comes with the territory of managing any big club unless, as a manager, you have proved your credentials beyond any doubt over a period of decades. Ancelotti has lifted the European Cup five times as a player and manager and still gets told who will be getting signed for him the following season.

      It's part of the job.
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      Re: The 'Committee'
      Reply #20: Dec 17, 2014 10:45:28 am
      In fairness mate Ancellotti is at Real Madrid so it's different. Firstly they have a fine team to start with, secondly when the board turn around and say "look here Carlo we're signing Tony Croose and Gareth Bayle and we don't want any of your f****** moaning OK?" it's not really the same as our committee saying to Brendan "we're signing Luis Alberto and Iago Aspas" is it?
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      Re: The 'Committee'
      Reply #21: Dec 17, 2014 10:58:07 am
      In fairness mate Ancellotti is at Real Madrid so it's different. Firstly they have a fine team to start with, secondly when the board turn around and say "look here Carlo we're signing Tony Croose and Gareth Bayle and we don't want any of your f****** moaning OK?" it's not really the same as our committee saying to Brendan "we're signing Luis Alberto and Iago Aspas" is it?

      Who do you want to talk about then mate?

      Bayern - committee made of ex players
      Barca - separate transfer committee
      Chelsea - where the owner pitches up with David Luiz or Shevchenko and expects the manager to make it work
      City - who ignore the recommendation s  of their own analysis team and buy the big name players du jour
      all the big Italian sides have transfers brougt in by their owners

      The only exception seem to be the likes of LVG and Wenger who, as I've said, have demonstrated their ability at th etop level for decades.
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      Re: The 'Committee'
      Reply #22: Dec 17, 2014 11:47:45 am
      The committee in and of itself isn't the issue, no manager does the work of transfers all on his own. He'd never get any management time in if he didn't have support of scouts and I'm fairly certain all teams conduct statistical analysis on players in the modern game. The problem lies in its structure. If Pearce is to be believed (from the interview posted earlier today) then Rodgers is handed a short list of players to choose from. If you hand him a short list of Borini, Lambert and Aspas he's going to pick the least worse candidate but hand him a short list of Falcao, Costa and Cavani and he'll be like a kid in a sweet shop. Improve that list and we improve the inevitable transfers. The bit I would cut out is Ian Ayre, not because I dislike him or think he's an FSG stooge, but because the manager should be able to use his budget as he sees fit. Oversight comes from your success at the end of the season.


      Ayre's roll does indeed come up for scrutiny and with it the question of is his input beneficial to the team's success?
      Any suggestion of that nature should of course verge on the ridiculous as he is a vital part of the management team whose only object is to secure the most favourable end game for LFC.
      Why then should his position be the subject of doubt?
      Does he have dubious loyalties?
      Is he qualified in a footballing sense to have the input that he apparently has with regard to signings?
      Who dictates that he holds that influence over the manager and is it to their advantage that state of affairs continues?

      The lynch pin in the mechanics of that arrangement is of course the manager who lives and dies by the affected decisions produced, hardly an equable state of affairs business-wise or in footballing context.


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