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      Lets not Forget the FA cup but admit we have 7 league games to save the season!!

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      Lets not Forget the FA cup but admit we have 7 league games to save the season!!
      Apr 07, 2015 03:09:08 pm

      We have 7 games to win and hope/wish others lose to save our season.

      If the bookies are right and we fail to gain CL qualification, regardless of what happens in the cup, this season will be a disaster.

      The FA cup is a bonus to any season and rightly I want us to win it but it means nothing to potential big signings. It means nothing to major sponsor deals which brings in the big money to help us challenge long term. And it means nothing to the owners (Kenny was sacked on the back of a league cup win and runner up in the FA cup)
      So Im now worried the owners think Brendan has blown it!
      We all know we need BR to stay and anyone who thinks otherwise needs to have a look at themselves… but the Yanks call the shots and after a massive player outlay and no CL for another year it could be a bridge too far for them and they might cut their losses!

      But if common sense prevails and they back him, will they do so in the transfer market with 1, 2 or possibly 3 new £30m+ signings? Because that’s what’s needed here… and if that’s a yes will the players actually sign for a club without CL?

      This is why CL is so critical for the future and we’ve (probably) missed out after only a year back in… this is a catastrophe of a season!!





      « Last Edit: Apr 08, 2015 03:15:34 pm by JD »
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      Re: Forget the FA cup – it’s the 7 league games to save the season!!!
      Reply #1: Apr 07, 2015 03:35:05 pm
      Disagree. Not with the notion that season has been a failure, but with idea that silverware can ever be considered a bonus. For me real trophies will always be better than the "fourth place trophy".

      It may not be better in terms of our finances or attracting players, but those aren't the only measures of success. Winning stuff has its own intrinsic value.
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      Re: Forget the FA cup – it’s the 7 league games to save the season!!!
      Reply #2: Apr 07, 2015 03:46:26 pm
      I don't think 5th will be seen as a disaster mate, not by the Club anyway.  We have the 5th highest revenue and the 5th highest wage bill so 5th is where we should be unless we overachieve like last season or one of the 4 above us underachieve.

      We might be buying 1 x £30m player but it definitely won't be 2 or 3 and CL means jack when it comes to the level of players we bring in.  We had both money and CL last summer but failed miserably in bringing in a single player that immediately improved our starting 11. 

      Flash enough cash at the agents/players and top players will sign, CL or not.  City proved it before ever qualifying for CL and the other mancs did so last season.  We can't and won't do that but don't ever believe that it's because we aren't in the CL, that's just damn good PR.
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      Re: Forget the FA cup – it’s the 7 league games to save the season!!!
      Reply #3: Apr 07, 2015 03:46:36 pm
      Win 10 games in a row and see where it leaves us.
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      Re: Forget the FA cup – it’s the 7 league games to save the season!!!
      Reply #4: Apr 07, 2015 04:48:53 pm
      Forget the FA cup?

      What kind of club have we become where winning a cup is so idly dismissed?

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      Reply #5: Apr 07, 2015 04:51:42 pm
      Forget the FA cup?

      What kind of club have we become where winning a cup is so idly dismissed?



      Well said Mate, this club win trophies not settles for 4th !
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      Reply #6: Apr 07, 2015 04:52:49 pm
      Forget the FA cup?

      What kind of club have we become where winning a cup is so idly dismissed?

      Means nothing if we don't compete with Europes elite, may as well be Portsmouth. Would take top four over the FA cup in a heartbeat.
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      Re: Forget the FA cup – it’s the 7 league games to save the season!!!
      Reply #7: Apr 07, 2015 05:20:47 pm
      Disagree. Getting to the FA Cup Final is the minimum I now expect from this season.

      With the current owners transfer strategy and the current Chief Executive's retention of players strategy I'd imagine it might be as close as we get to silverware for a while.

      If you think that us qualifying for the Champions League might result in us purchasing the types of players that might make us remotely competitive in the tournament then I can only assume you woke up from a lengthy coma in the past few days.

      At least not qualifying might shock some people at the club in to reflecting on their 'strategies'.
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      Re: Forget the FA cup – it’s the 7 league games to save the season!!!
      Reply #8: Apr 07, 2015 05:25:46 pm
      With a maximum of 10 matches left this season between the league and FA Cup, there is absolutely no reason why we can't focus on each and every one of them.
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      Re: Forget the FA cup – it’s the 7 league games to save the season!!!
      Reply #9: Apr 07, 2015 05:28:53 pm
      Cups vs Top 4 might be the most boring "polemic" ever among the LFC fan base.

      Making the Top 4 is important for our long term ambitions; you might not like hearing about financial stuff and might even delude yourself that players all over the world dream about playing for LFC irrespective of which competitions we are in (while we're at it, let's just say: down with modern football!!!), but that doesn't change its importance to the club.

      Meanwhile, winning trophies are at the centre of what this club has been built around and, more importantly for me, are the main source of joy for the fans. As the saying goes, no one ever got drunk on making it into the top 4.

      I don't see why this binary always come up as if we had to choose one over the other.
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      Reply #10: Apr 07, 2015 05:35:03 pm
      I don't see why this binary always come up as if we had to choose one over the other.

      Fair point that.  Like others have said - Let's just win the last 10 games of the season and take it from there.
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      Reply #11: Apr 07, 2015 06:07:13 pm
      Cups vs Top 4 might be the most boring "polemic" ever among the LFC fan base.

      Making the Top 4 is important for our long term ambitions; you might not like hearing about financial stuff and might even delude yourself that players all over the world dream about playing for LFC irrespective of which competitions we are in (while we're at it, let's just say: down with modern football!!!), but that doesn't change its importance to the club.

      Meanwhile, winning trophies are at the centre of what this club has been built around and, more importantly for me, are the main source of joy for the fans. As the saying goes, no one ever got drunk on making it into the top 4.

      I don't see why this binary always come up as if we had to choose one over the other.

      We don't Diego, it's people coming on here opening threads in order to discuss it that causes a split in the forum members, we should take each game as it comes the only game to worry about is the NEXT ONE !
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      Reply #12: Apr 07, 2015 06:23:58 pm
      Not qualifying for the CL might just be the wake-up call the owners need, to bring about a change in strategy regarding transfer policy, finish 4th and they might think if it ain't broken........

      I see absolutely no reason why, with the finishing line in sight, we shouldn't be putting everything on the line, and go for it!
      I still choose an FA cup over top 4 anyway, but F**k it, go all out for both!
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      Re: Forget the FA cup – it’s the 7 league games to save the season!!!
      Reply #13: Apr 07, 2015 07:13:57 pm
      Off your rocker aren't you lad?! Forget the FA Cup? Most certainly not, the only way we can save our season is by winning all our remaining league games and the FA Cup. Not to mention that we might need to rely on the FA Cup to get some European football next season.

      Good grief, what is parts of this club coming to when we go from looking to win 4 trophies at the start of the season to some "supporters" wanting us to basically throw away the FA Cup. Liverpool Football Club should be looking to win every game possible, not throwing away a cup competition to try and salvage the best league position we can because we simply haven't been good enough over the previous 31 games.
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      Reply #14: Apr 07, 2015 09:35:28 pm
      Disagree. Getting to the FA Cup Final is the minimum I now expect from this season.

      With the current owners transfer strategy and the current Chief Executive's retention of players strategy I'd imagine it might be as close as we get to silverware for a while.

      If you think that us qualifying for the Champions League might result in us purchasing the types of players that might make us remotely competitive in the tournament then I can only assume you woke up from a lengthy coma in the past few days.

      At least not qualifying might shock some people at the club in to reflecting on their 'strategies'.

      Just about to post something almost the same as this.

      Agree 100%
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      Reply #15: Apr 07, 2015 10:00:13 pm
      Isn't the point of getting champions league, (aside from another competition to win) to attract better players to win silverware like the FA cup?
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      Reply #16: Apr 07, 2015 10:12:07 pm
      Isn't the point of getting champions league, (aside from another competition to win) to attract better players to win silverware like the FA cup?

      No the point of getting Champions League is for it to become a regular competition to be a part of so we can stay in touch with Europes elite clubs. Not just a one season brief flirtation with the CL then go back to being a mid tier club.
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      Reply #17: Apr 07, 2015 10:18:41 pm
      Forget the FA cup?

      What kind of club have we become where winning a cup is so idly dismissed?



      Agreed, we are a club that wins trophies, the FA cup is our only chance of silverware this season so we got to try our best to win it
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      Reply #18: Apr 07, 2015 10:27:17 pm
      Isn't the point of getting champions league, (aside from another competition to win) to attract better players to win silverware like the FA cup?

      Aren't we on the verge of winning the F.A.Cup without been in the Champions League OR attracting better players !
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      Reply #19: Apr 07, 2015 11:20:10 pm
      Man Uturd have Citeh (h), CHelsea (a) and Everton (a) next 3 games. We can reach them if we win the next 3 I reckon. They have had a lot of luck so far.
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      Reply #20: Apr 07, 2015 11:43:08 pm
      The FA Cup only means f*ck all if you're one of those utilitarian types who knows the price of everything but the value of nothing. They speak of it in terms of being a ''bonus'' but not really attractive to sponsors etc. Yeah, in the long run we must be in the CL, we must spend the money to compete, but if you can't appreciate the sense of history and occasion of the FA Cup then what is the point in being a football supporter? You may as well go and support the richest club around. Either that or become an accountant.
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      Re: Forget the FA cup – it’s the 7 league games to save the season!!!
      Reply #21: Apr 08, 2015 01:10:00 am
      There are loads of threads on this already aren't there? I think if we make the Champions League next season it'll be similar to this season. The squad is too small and we probably wont progress. I think it's time to stop the bigheadedness and really look at where our squad is at. Probably time to stop thinking about how great we are and how we must be in Europe every year or people will laugh at us. Just look within and see where we are at. Do you really think we can cope in Europe and the Prem next season?
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      Reply #22: Apr 08, 2015 01:27:00 am
      There are loads of threads on this already aren't there? I think if we make the Champions League next season it'll be similar to this season. The squad is too small and we probably wont progress. I think it's time to stop the bigheadedness and really look at where our squad is at. Probably time to stop thinking about how great we are and how we must be in Europe every year or people will laugh at us. Just look within and see where we are at. Do you really think we can cope in Europe and the Prem next season?

      I am not sure where we are at. We are investing in youth but if they turn out to be world beaters then they will be off.
      We can't buy the finished product we need to compete properly now. Those players are snapped up by richer clubs so we get second tier players who won't push to the next level. It's a difficult situation for sure. The CL has really effected the National competitions.

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      Reply #23: Apr 08, 2015 03:40:46 am
      Forget the F.A. Cup, just glad you were not around in 1965;Bill Shankly would of had you strung up from a full Kop, and deservedly so.
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      Reply #24: Apr 08, 2015 04:01:07 am
      Forget the F.A. Cup, just glad you were not around in 1965;Bill Shankly would of had you strung up from a full Kop, and deservedly so.

      This all day.
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      Re: Forget the FA cup – it’s the 7 league games to save the season!!!
      Reply #25: Apr 08, 2015 07:03:47 am

      We have 7 games to win and hope/wish others lose to save our season.

      If the bookies are right and we fail to gain CL qualification, regardless of what happens in the cup, this season will be a disaster.

      The FA cup is a bonus to any season and rightly I want us to win it but it means nothing to potential big signings. It means nothing to major sponsor deals which brings in the big money to help us challenge long term. And it means nothing to the owners (Kenny was sacked on the back of a league cup win and runner up in the FA cup)
      So Im now worried the owners think Brendan has blown it!
      We all know we need BR to stay and anyone who thinks otherwise needs to have a look at themselves… but the Yanks call the shots and after a massive player outlay and no CL for another year it could be a bridge too far for them and they might cut their losses!

      But if common sense prevails and they back him, will they do so in the transfer market with 1, 2 or possibly 3 new £30m+ signings? Because that’s what’s needed here… and if that’s a yes will the players actually sign for a club without CL?

      This is why CL is so critical for the future and we’ve (probably) missed out after only a year back in… this is a catastrophe of a season!!

      Look, beat Blackburn and we can all make the claim Rodgers got us to Wembley, okay.

      Win the FA cup and we (rightfully so) should be over the moon, we can even rejoice that Rodgers took us to Wembley twice!

      It doesn't matter now, the league that is - what's the difference between finishing 7th,6th,5th,4th to 2nd, which is nothing; you don't win anything for coming second do you - so what harm can it do finishing any lower?

      Win the cup and those that don't currently like him, will be able to stomach him a little more (that's how it works in football, you can go from Jimmy Saville to Clement Atlee in the blink of an eye) and it saves my eyes from bleeding after reading their bitter sh*t.

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      Re: Forget the FA cup – it’s the 7 league games to save the season!!!
      Reply #26: Apr 08, 2015 08:28:38 am
      Gerrard lifting the FA Cup on his final game at the club is easily worth losing 4th place over.
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      Reply #27: Apr 08, 2015 08:39:06 am
      Since when Lfc has to so desperately qualify for the CL to attract a quality player? This applies only to Man. city,Chelsea and the likes who out of it are nothing.

      If a footballer is not motivated by a trophy winning club as Lfc has to be/is and is only driven by his accountants' instructions then he is not needed at the club for he'll never be able to grasp what Lfc stands for.
      « Last Edit: Apr 08, 2015 10:24:49 am by nikos »
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      Re: Forget the FA cup – it’s the 7 league games to save the season!!!
      Reply #28: Apr 08, 2015 09:11:36 am
      Add the FA Cup to what we done last season and have a think about what your outstanding memory of the season would be when looking back now, next year, in five years time and so on and so on.
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      Re: Forget the FA cup – it’s the 7 league games to save the season!!!
      Reply #29: Apr 08, 2015 09:18:01 am
      Seemingly every game is like a cup final, from now on until the end of the season. We'll just have to get behind the lads to achieve the almost impossible.
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      Reply #30: Apr 08, 2015 09:30:10 am
      You know something, there is a fundamental problem here, everyone is obsessed with this magic 30 million, like we are pawnbrokers or banker headed minions for our bosses who run the club.
      We aren't ready to compete in the CL, what Liverpool need is to start learning what winning a trophy can do for the mentality and also give the fans something to actually celebrate.
      I don't celebrate much about 30 million which I'll never be sure where it went.
      Also if we were in a better position with points and GD I still wouldn't dismiss the FA cup as less important. Every competition is there to be won not sacrificed for the sake of possibility of top 4, meaning we may possibly sign a player who is so shallow he'll only join a club if they are in the CL and he can swap shirts with greasy Ronaldo or something. The worlds gone mad.
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      Reply #31: Apr 08, 2015 09:54:01 am
      So many of you missing the point on this…and the same amount living in the footballing past!!

      As Ive said, the FA cup is worth winning, but it is a bonus as is the league cup! At the start of any season, the priority for Liverpool football club has always been the league title and now in 2015, like or not, it’s still the league but with more emphasis on achieving a top 4 status. After this, the cups are a bonus!

      Im not saying choose an option, because none of us can do that. No-one is going to support the team in one match and not another. Im just saying winning the cup does not change the seasons’ outcome. This season was all about a top 4 finishAnd it will have been a disaster if we fail to achieve this league position. Regardless of any cup win.

      Of course, I’ll be cheering on the boys if and when we get to Wembley… an on that day I’ll be excited as anyone to see Gerrard lift the cup on his last appearance for the club. To suggest otherwise is being deliberately obtuse.

      And in retort to the “Shankly would have strung you up” line:
      You are being so naive in suggesting my point has any relevance in that footballing era when he was at the helm. Football is a very different beast now… everyone knows that, whether they admit it is another debate!
      Also IMHO a Bill Shankly in 2015 would of walked away from football a long time ago, as this era wouldn’t of suited him at all… money, egos and yet more money!!
      So who knows, he might begrudgingly agreed with me…

      Ive also read that if we achieve regular CL qualification consistently there a high chance the Americans SILL WONT bring in the top players on the top wages – what’s this based on? F**k all is the answer because we don’t know and won’t know what they plan to do when we are CL regulars, until the club moves forward to join the European elite. Lets make the small steps towards the Europe’s top table and let’s see what they do then before we make assumptions…
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      Reply #32: Apr 08, 2015 10:13:56 am
      Aren't we on the verge of winning the F.A.Cup without been in the Champions League OR attracting better players !

      That's my point mate. We want to get in to the champions league to get players to win stuff. Its stupid to prioritize the means over the end goal.
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      Reply #33: Apr 08, 2015 10:29:43 am
      So many of you missing the point on this…and the same amount living in the footballing past!!

      As Ive said, the FA cup is worth winning, but it is a bonus as is the league cup! At the start of any season, the priority for Liverpool football club has always been the league title and now in 2015, like or not, it’s still the league but with more emphasis on achieving a top 4 status. After this, the cups are a bonus!

      Im not saying choose an option, because none of us can do that. No-one is going to support the team in one match and not another. Im just saying winning the cup does not change the seasons’ outcome. This season was all about a top 4 finishAnd it will have been a disaster if we fail to achieve this league position. Regardless of any cup win.

      Of course, I’ll be cheering on the boys if and when we get to Wembley… an on that day I’ll be excited as anyone to see Gerrard lift the cup on his last appearance for the club. To suggest otherwise is being deliberately obtuse.

      And in retort to the “Shankly would have strung you up” line:
      You are being so naive in suggesting my point has any relevance in that footballing era when he was at the helm. Football is a very different beast now… everyone knows that, whether they admit it is another debate!
      Also IMHO a Bill Shankly in 2015 would of walked away from football a long time ago, as this era wouldn’t of suited him at all… money, egos and yet more money!!
      So who knows, he might begrudgingly agreed with me…

      Ive also read that if we achieve regular CL qualification consistently there a high chance the Americans SILL WONT bring in the top players on the top wages – what’s this based on? F**k all is the answer because we don’t know and won’t know what they plan to do when we are CL regulars, until the club moves forward to join the European elite. Lets make the small steps towards the Europe’s top table and let’s see what they do then before we make assumptions…


      If you look back to the time Bill Shankly was our manager he broke the transfer records buying players for Liverpool quite a few times. Also Bill Shankly would not of put up with footballers with egos like some of todays so called stars. When you compare Bill Shankly and L.F.C. to  todays Liverpool players bear in mind those players would of run through a brick wall for the Boss and the club, I give you Gerry Byrne as an example.I am aware that football has changed over the years but what has not changed is Liverpool supporters get great pleasure when the club is winning leagues and Cups,that is what we exist for.
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      Reply #34: Apr 08, 2015 10:31:07 am
      The season can well be saved by winning silverware.
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      Reply #35: Apr 08, 2015 10:43:34 am
      If you look back to the time Bill Shankly was our manager he broke the transfer records buying players for Liverpool quite a few times. Also Bill Shankly would not of put up with footballers with egos like some of todays so called stars. When you compare Bill Shankly and L.F.C. to  todays Liverpool players bear in mind those players would of run through a brick wall for the Boss and the club, I give you Gerry Byrne as an example.I am aware that football has changed over the years but what has not changed is Liverpool supporters get great pleasure when the club is winning leagues and Cups,that is what we exist for.

      There are players around now who would do that for managers. It’s called fantastic man-management! It’s not an ancient concept

      And yes he bought players for big money in those times… what does prove or disprove?

      I agree it’s great to win trophies, it’s what LFC all about. But, and it’s an important BUT, these “trophies” now are in a list of priorities. A top 4 place is priority for the club, the FA cup isnt… We are Liverpool not Wigan or Portsmouth!

      Priorities in football has changed… anyone who doesn’t see this is swimming against the tide
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      Re: Forget the FA cup – it’s the 7 league games to save the season!!!
      Reply #36: Apr 08, 2015 10:51:19 am
      I agree it’s great to win trophies, it’s what LFC all about. But, and it’s an important BUT, these “trophies” now are in a list of priorities. A top 4 place is priority for the club, the FA cup isnt… We are Liverpool not Wigan or Portsmouth!

      You forgotten 15/4/89 - we should never, ever take the FA Cup lightly!!






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      Reply #37: Apr 08, 2015 10:53:52 am
      You forgotten 15/4/89 - we should never, ever take the FA Cup lightly!!








      Well said mate.
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      Reply #38: Apr 08, 2015 11:00:50 am
      Priorities in football has changed

      The priority is still to win though mate so unless the "top 4 place" is as Champions, then all it does is qualify us for the chance to win another trophy.

      Financially the CL helps us but it doesn't give the players a winning mentality and that's what this team and Brendan need right now.  If we win the FA Cup this season it might help them have a bit more belief going into European competitions and the League in future, rather than going into it on a downer after narrowly missing out on the Title last season and losing Luis in the summer.
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      Reply #39: Apr 08, 2015 11:05:33 am
      There are players around now who would do that for managers. It’s called fantastic man-management! It’s not an ancient concept

      And yes he bought players for big money in those times… what does prove or disprove?

      I agree it’s great to win trophies, it’s what LFC all about. But, and it’s an important BUT, these “trophies” now are in a list of priorities. A top 4 place is priority for the club, the FA cup isnt… We are Liverpool not Wigan or Portsmouth!

      Priorities in football has changed… anyone who doesn’t see this is swimming against the tide


      In your post it was you who said Bill Shankly would of walked away because of money egos and yet more money. You appear to be ignorant of Bill Shankly and how he managed this club because I can assure you he was never a quitter but respected by supporters he definitely was.
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      Reply #40: Apr 08, 2015 11:06:45 am
      You forgotten 15/4/89 - we should never, ever take the FA Cup lightly!!

      Ah come on... I'm talking about a football cup competition and my own opinion of the priority I think the club should take.

      In no way is this related to the Hillsborough tragedy… and I wholly resent any suggestion that my opinion of the FA cup football competition in 2015, undermines the memory of the lives lost or indeed means I have “forgotten”

      Not cool… really not cool!!
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      Reply #41: Apr 08, 2015 11:09:35 am
      The priority is still to win though mate so unless the "top 4 place" is as Champions, then all it does is qualify us for the chance to win another trophy.


      No, you are wrong. Winning the FA cup for the 10 years in a row will mean nothing if we finsih 5th every year!!
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      Reply #42: Apr 08, 2015 11:25:10 am
      No, you are wrong. Winning the FA cup for the 10 years in a row will mean nothing if we finsih 5th every year!!

      That isn't what I meant and you know it but I'll try again.

      One of the criticisms of Brendan and the new players he's brought in, with the odd exception, is "what have they won"?  It'll remain a criticism until they win something or they'll become known as perpetual losers.

      We've already become labelled bottlers after losing the Title last season and it's raised it's head again after the last 2 defeats. 

      I'll say again, This Team and Brendan need to Win a Trophy and soon or we'll continue to go into important, season defining games harbouring doubts about our abilities.  To develop a winning mentality you need to win stuff, you don't just wake up one morning and suddenly become a winner.
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      Reply #43: Apr 08, 2015 11:42:53 am
      Anyone who doesn't want to, or isn't interested in, winning the F A Cup is following football for the wrong reasons.
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      Reply #44: Apr 08, 2015 12:23:15 pm
      F**k me, forget the FA Cup? We haven't won any Silverware since 2012 and before that was 2006 and you want us to forget the FA Cup? Come on man!
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      Reply #45: Apr 08, 2015 12:30:57 pm
      Ah come on... I'm talking about a football cup competition and my own opinion of the priority I think the club should take.

      In no way is this related to the Hillsborough tragedy… and I wholly resent any suggestion that my opinion of the FA cup football competition in 2015, undermines the memory of the lives lost or indeed means I have “forgotten”

      Not cool… really not cool!!


      Do me a favour you jumped up beaut and do one if you don't know our history?

      And who cares about cool, you sky generation beaut!
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      Reply #46: Apr 08, 2015 12:33:16 pm
      No, you are wrong. Winning the FA cup for the 10 years in a row will mean nothing if we finsih 5th every year!!

      It will mean quite a lot actually.

      We'd have about 20 visits to Wembley!! The cockneys would be sick of us :-)
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      Reply #47: Apr 08, 2015 12:34:26 pm
      I think if Shankly heard a fan say the FA cup is trivial at this point (position in the league & GD) he would have given you a lesson the the importance of it or any cup, times have changed but no, clubs have lost the plot.
      You'll soon understand the joy and tears that winning a cup gives you if we did, I got so emotional winning the league cup, entering the CL was like oh yeah well cool, we didn't win anything though.
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      Reply #48: Apr 08, 2015 01:21:21 pm
      Do me a favour you jumped up beaut and do one if you don't know our history?

      And who cares about cool, you sky generation beaut!

      hold up a F***ing minute, I might not be a scouser but I have been supporting Liverpool for 30 years so I do know the history…

      You insinuated something that was very wrong and I took offence to that!!

      Not happy with cool than…how about, You’re F***ing bang out of order mate!!

      Is that better?
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      Reply #49: Apr 08, 2015 01:23:11 pm
      It will mean quite a lot actually.

      We'd have about 20 visits to Wembley!! The cockneys would be sick of us :-)

      Im a cockney and Im positive it wouldnt take 20 visits to be sick of you HR
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      Reply #50: Apr 08, 2015 01:26:38 pm
      I think if Shankly heard a fan say the FA cup is trivial at this point (position in the league & GD) he would have given you a lesson the the importance of it or any cup, times have changed but no, clubs have lost the plot.
      You'll soon understand the joy and tears that winning a cup gives you if we did, I got so emotional winning the league cup, entering the CL was like oh yeah well cool, we didn't win anything though.

      I never said this... i said its not the priority!
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      Reply #51: Apr 08, 2015 01:43:54 pm
      Im a cockney and Im positive it wouldnt take 20 visits to be sick of you HR

      I'm already sick of you, ya cockney c**t!!

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      Reply #52: Apr 08, 2015 01:48:43 pm
      I never said this... i said its not the priority!

      That's just as bad...don't you get that?

      This club exists to win trophies. So it IS a priority to win every trophy that we can. And winning a trophy and finishing top 4 (or 3 or 2 or 1), aren't mutually exclusive.

      One doesn't have to suffer for the other.
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      Reply #53: Apr 08, 2015 01:52:43 pm
      I'm already sick of you, ya cockney c**t!!

      sums you right up that mate... crawl back in your hole continue dribbling on your keyboard!!
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      Reply #54: Apr 08, 2015 01:59:16 pm
      At the start of any season, the priority for Liverpool football club has always been the league title and now in 2015, like or not, it’s still the league but with more emphasis on achieving a top 4 status. After this, the cups are a bonus!

      That's your opinion - you're perfectly entitled to it but I'd imagine many would disagree.  I believe in what the main man said.

      "Liverpool Football Club exists to win trophies" – Bill Shankly.
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      Reply #55: Apr 08, 2015 02:01:37 pm
      That's just as bad...don't you get that?

      This club exists to win trophies. So it IS a priority to win every trophy that we can. And winning a trophy and finishing top 4 (or 3 or 2 or 1), aren't mutually exclusive.

      One doesn't have to suffer for the other.

      We are where we are... for the club long term, this cup means nothing IMO, for the short term and to win cup, it’s great.

      I personally would have preferred a top 4 spot but that’s the not a choice I or anyone will ever get... plus believe or not I can’t wait for tonight and the semi if we get through…

      But Can’t be arsed now…I thought I’d get a decent debate going, which I think Ive done… it loses its edge when you get called a c**t by someone you’ve never met… strong words from a feeble person!
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      Reply #56: Apr 08, 2015 02:10:28 pm
      We are where we are... for the club long term, this cup means nothing IMO, for the short term and to win cup, it’s great.

      I personally would have preferred a top 4 spot but that’s the not a choice I or anyone will ever get... plus believe or not I can’t wait for tonight and the semi if we get through…

      But Can’t be arsed now…I thought I’d get a decent debate going, which I think Ive done… it loses its edge when you get called a C**t by someone you’ve never met… strong words from a feeble person!


      You didn't do yourself any favors by titling the thread "Forget the FA Cup"...especially when so many LFC supporters not only don't want to forget it, but are looking forward to winning it.

      It has nothing to do with our league standing or CL qualification...it's a competition that we should be winning and if we do, it will provide a massive boost to all of us (or at least it should).
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      Reply #57: Apr 08, 2015 02:52:10 pm
      You didn't do yourself any favors by titling the thread "Forget the FA Cup"...especially when so many LFC supporters not only don't want to forget it, but are looking forward to winning it.

      It has nothing to do with our league standing or CL qualification...it's a competition that we should be winning and if we do, it will provide a massive boost to all of us (or at least it should).

      changed to Title!! ;D
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      Reply #58: Apr 08, 2015 04:43:44 pm
      No, you are wrong. Winning the FA cup for the 10 years in a row will mean nothing if we finsih 5th every year!!

      10 F.A.Cups in a row and 5th each season will do me, we get entry into the Europa League, win that and it's automatic entry into the Champions League without the need for players to be good enough for us to finish higher in the League.
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      Reply #59: Apr 08, 2015 04:48:55 pm
       
      ;D, good tactic, makes sense, at least you've had all the feedback you've sought so far.
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      Reply #60: Apr 08, 2015 10:35:27 pm
      We're not going to to win the League this Season, that is gone for now. I agree fully with what debs said. It's all about the FA Cup from here on in. The last thing we want is the 'bottler' tag hanging around our necks so we must win the Cup to get this monkey off our back.

      Winning the Cup will get our confidence back and instil pride back into the Club. As long as we can get past Villa then it's a perfect final versus Arsenal to exact revenge and a chance for the lads to repay Brendan for their lack of guts during the last 2 league matches.
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      Reply #61: Apr 08, 2015 11:04:57 pm
      We're not going to to win the League this Season, that is gone for now. I agree fully with what debs said. It's all about the FA Cup from here on in. The last thing we want is the 'bottler' tag hanging around our necks so we must win the Cup to get this monkey off our back.

      Winning the Cup will get our confidence back and instil pride back into the Club. As long as we can get past Villa then it's a perfect final versus Arsenal to exact revenge and a chance for the lads to repay Brendan for their lack of guts during the last 2 league matches.

      Amen!
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      Reply #62: Apr 08, 2015 11:11:36 pm
      If we win the cup bit of pride back a good fare well to sevie and hopefully push on for next season

      Ps any one know of any way I could get a ticket to the semi ?? :lmao: p,ease
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      Reply #63: Apr 09, 2015 06:33:27 am
      We're not going to to win the League this Season, that is gone for now. I agree fully with what debs said. It's all about the FA Cup from here on in. The last thing we want is the 'bottler' tag hanging around our necks so we must win the Cup to get this monkey off our back.

      Winning the Cup will get our confidence back and instil pride back into the Club. As long as we can get past Villa then it's a perfect final versus Arsenal to exact revenge and a chance for the lads to repay Brendan for their lack of guts during the last 2 league matches.

      Hold up, Hold Up ...who said we will be playing Arsenal?  ;D
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      Reply #64: Apr 09, 2015 06:48:35 am
      Hold up, Hold Up ...who said we will be playing Arsenal?  ;D

      Right on, mate!   :clap: :clap: :clap: :kop5cf8koxp6:
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      Reply #65: Apr 09, 2015 12:33:11 pm
      So even the players and manager showed you up for the sh*te you're talking!!

      They want it bad mate.

      Pity some of our supporters didn't want to win the Cup as badly.
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      Reply #66: Apr 09, 2015 12:38:28 pm
      i think winning last night might just give us that little boost we need to keep the pressure on the scum and Arsenal, lest not forget City who are flapping. There's still a small chance they will slip up and we dont, palace have proven you can give Chelsea a hard game if you get the tactics right.
      A visit to Wembley will be a great boost to the squad and if we beat Villa then a cup final and chance for new players and the younger ones to get a medal will be welcomed with open arms.
      off topic a minute but semi final should not be played at wembley also thats a joke
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      Reply #67: Apr 09, 2015 01:29:10 pm
      off topic a minute but semi final should not be played at wembley also thats a joke

      I do agree, but got to say I had a cracking time at the semi in 2012!
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      Reply #68: Apr 09, 2015 01:37:31 pm
      If we win the cup bit of pride back a good fare well to sevie and hopefully push on for next season

      Ps any one know of any way I could get a ticket to the semi ?? :lmao: p,ease

      You've got more chance of getting a nosh off JW Henry mate.

      The tickets have probably already been handed to a gang of corporate suits who don't even know what footy is.
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      Reply #69: Apr 10, 2015 04:30:29 am
      i think winning last night might just give us that little boost we need to keep the pressure on the scum and Arsenal, lest not forget City who are flapping. There's still a small chance they will slip up and we dont, palace have proven you can give Chelsea a hard game if you get the tactics right.
      A visit to Wembley will be a great boost to the squad and if we beat Villa then a cup final and chance for new players and the younger ones to get a medal will be welcomed with open arms.
      off topic a minute but semi final should not be played at wembley also thats a joke

      I agree with you re the semi finals being played at Wembley, they should revert to the old system of neutral grounds. With the neutral ground system it would normally mean less travel expenses for the supporters but once again the F.A. could not give a sh*t about supporters.
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      Reply #70: Apr 10, 2015 05:05:47 am
      We're not going to to win the League this Season, that is gone for now. I agree fully with what debs said. It's all about the FA Cup from here on in. The last thing we want is the 'bottler' tag hanging around our necks so we must win the Cup to get this monkey off our back.

      Winning the Cup will get our confidence back and instil pride back into the Club. As long as we can get past Villa then it's a perfect final versus Arsenal to exact revenge and a chance for the lads to repay Brendan for their lack of guts during the last 2 league matches.

      Agree, would be immense to gain revenge in the final, as you say it's must win now to get anything out of this season.
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      Reply #71: Apr 10, 2015 02:56:19 pm
      Need to start playing better to beat villa, let alone get tut cup final.
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      Reply #72: Apr 12, 2015 02:18:35 pm
      Hold up, Hold Up ...who said we will be playing Arsenal?  ;D

      Only we can perform miracles mate!  :o Can't see Reading coping with Arsenal at the moment, looking way too strong offensively.
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      Reply #73: Apr 12, 2015 02:24:34 pm
      Need to start playing better to beat villa, let alone get tut cup final.

      Yes, get over this match first then we'll see who is in the final. ;)
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      Reply #74: Apr 12, 2015 09:40:43 pm
      Only we can perform miracles mate!  :o Can't see Reading coping with Arsenal at the moment, looking way too strong offensively.

      I hope they do beat them mate, these are the Teams that in the past have caused The Gooners trouble, so let's hope its the same here mate. If not, we beat Villa and The gooners to lift the Title.
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      Reply #75: Apr 13, 2015 08:20:54 am
      I agree with you re the semi finals being played at Wembley, they should revert to the old system of neutral grounds. With the neutral ground system it would normally mean less travel expenses for the supporters but once again the F.A. could not give a sh*t about supporters.

      Its same up here in scotland, semi's at Hampden, cos they have to use it. It's a joke, they make fans from inverness & Aberdeen travel all the way to glasgow, and only 1/2 fill hampden. Use murryfield, or nuetral stadium closer geographically to teh 2 teams.

      Keep Hampden\wembley for the finals.
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      Reply #76: Apr 13, 2015 09:35:53 am
      They want it bad mate.

      Pity some of our supporters didn't want to win the Cup as badly.


      I think I need to clarify

      I really WANT us to win the cup... Im looking forward to the semi and hopefully beyond that... i really want the captain to lift the trophy in May... I’d frigging love it!!

      BUT the league has been a disaster, and for that the season will be measured as a massive under achievement, regardless of a cup win…

      … So it’s not that I don’t care, I just think it doesn’t change the outcome of the season in terms of it being a failure!!
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      Reply #77: Apr 13, 2015 10:54:28 am

      I think I need to clarify

      I really WANT us to win the cup... Im looking forward to the semi and hopefully beyond that... i really want the captain to lift the trophy in May... I’d frigging love it!!

      BUT the league has been a disaster, and for that the season will be measured as a massive under achievement, regardless of a cup win…

      … So it’s not that I don’t care, I just think it doesn’t change the outcome of the season in terms of it being a failure!!


      Was always going to be like after the Lord Mayors show with Suarez leaving and new players bedding in.

      Winning the cup could be a confidence booster for what on the whole is a young team.
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      Reply #78: Apr 13, 2015 10:59:29 am
      Was always going to be like after the Lord Mayors show with Suarez leaving and new players bedding in.

      Winning the cup could be a confidence booster for what on the whole is a young team.

      I agree it will help the players... it’s what RD said about becoming winners and getting a winning mentality… thats true!

      But the fall from 2nd (and nearly Champions) to 5th/6th or dare I say 7th is so devastating... the season can only be viewed as a failure
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      Reply #79: Apr 13, 2015 06:34:41 pm
      Gerrard lifting the FA Cup on his final game at the club is easily worth losing 4th place over.

      hmmm yes and no for me.  It would be amazing to see Gerrard have as close to a 'hollywood' ending here with us by lifting the FA Cup... but 4h place = 50-60 million minimum next year.  that will go a long long way in replacing him and filling out other positions.

      can't we have both?
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      Reply #80: Apr 13, 2015 06:39:06 pm
      hmmm yes and no for me.  It would be amazing to see Gerrard have as close to a 'hollywood' ending here with us by lifting the FA Cup... but 4h place = 50-60 million minimum next year.  that will go a long long way in replacing him and filling out other positions.

      can't we have both?

      Sorted. We'll have both. I like your thinking.
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      Re: Lets not Forget the FA cup but admit we have 7 league games to save the season!!
      Reply #81: Apr 16, 2015 12:57:02 pm
      A cup will top off a turbulant season nicely and be a fitting send off for captain fantastic. it will boost the team as some of them will have their 1st winners medal with Livepool and certainly all of them under Brendan who lets not forget needs to win a trophy for his own sake to see his ideas are paying off.
      City and us both have some very tricky games left which tbh could go either way depending on which team turns up or not. I think we might suprise a few and get a result against Chelsea if they've not already won the league by then.
      5th and a cup is not the end of the world but 5th and no final is gutting but for a youngish team is respectable.
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      Re: Lets not Forget the FA cup but admit we have 7 league games to save the season!!
      Reply #82: Apr 16, 2015 01:40:34 pm

      5th and a cup is not the end of the world but 5th and no final is gutting but for a youngish team is respectable.


      a Cup wont make this season great... any finish not in the top 4 is a disaster
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      Reply #83: Apr 17, 2015 11:32:26 am
      Would be massive if City dropped points again on Sunday. Hoping to catch their first half somewhere before entering Wembley.
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      Re: Lets not Forget the FA cup but admit we have 7 league games to save the season!!
      Reply #84: Apr 17, 2015 03:20:48 pm
      a Cup wont make this season great... any finish not in the top 4 is a disaster

      Stop it now, and stop using that word, in this of all weeks, a bit more thought eh?

      Win a trophy and finish 4th is still possible, have some F***ing faith!!
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      Re: Lets not Forget the FA cup but admit we have 7 league games to save the season!!
      Reply #85: Apr 17, 2015 08:06:04 pm
      a Cup wont make this season great... any finish not in the top 4 is a disaster
      I disagree, some of my best memories growing up, are of us winning the FA cup, so for me this is still the best cup competition in the world, I couldn't give a flying F**k how much prize money is involved, it the prestige of being the Cup champions that is important. It's what we were built to do.

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