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      5timesacharm
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      Super Six
      May 07, 2015 02:26:05 am
      Liverpool FC worth nearly $1bn and in world football's 'Super Six' says Forbes
      Reds' value jumps considerably in last 12 months but Premier League rivals improving ever quicker



      Liverpool FC’s value has jumped by 42% to almost $1bn (£644m) with the club now ranked the eighth most valuable football club in the world in this year’s Forbes list.

      It means the value of the club has jumped by almost $300m in just 12 months after being valued at $691m in last year’s table where the Reds were ranked in 10th place.

      Liverpool have leap-frogged Italian giants Juventus (ninth) and AC Milan (10th) primarily on the back of the recent £5.136billion domestic television deal for Premier League clubs.

      Forbes go further and have named what they refer to as the Super Six – clubs which rank in the top 10 around the world in five crucial areas: social media following, matchday revenue, broadcasting revenue and commercial revenue.



      Liverpool are named in that Super Six alongside Barcelona, Chelsea, Manchester City, Manchester United and Real Madrid. Forbes says that “these teams have created a large, global following and have figured out how to monetize it.”

      Based on the 2013/14 figures the Reds ranked seventh on social media, eighth on commercial and matchday revenues and ninth in TV revenue.

      If that is the good news the bad news for owners FSG and chief executive Ian Ayre is that Liverpool’s Premier League rivals are expanding at just as quick or at an even greater rate.

      Real Madrid retain their place as the most valuable football team in the world for a third straight year, but Manchester United could soon topple them.

      The reigning European champions’ value has dropped 5% to £2.13billion this year, with Barcelona second with a value of £2.07billion.



      Manchester United though are hot on their heels and are now valued at £2.03billion, up 10% and more than three times that of Liverpool.

      Officials at Old Trafford signed a long-term kit sponsorship deal with US car giant Chevrolet worth a reported £53million per season.

      Next term a huge £750million deal with Adidas – a “global technical sponsorship and dual branded licensing deal” running for 10 years – will commence and United believe it is the biggest kit deal in sport and may well help them surpass Barcelona and Real Madrid.

      Also of concern for Liverpool will be the seemingly inexorable commercial rise of Manchester City and Chelsea.

      Among the top 20 clubs, Manchester City’s value has increased the most at 59% to £905m, leaving them the fifth most valuable club while Chelsea weren’t far behind, rising 58% to £898m and sixth place.

      Arsenal are also deemed more valuable than Liverpool, ranking seventh at £859m.

      German giants Bayern Munich are rated the fourth most valuable club but miss out on the Super Six because of the lower broadcasting revenues available in Germany.

      Altogether there are eight Premier league clubs in the world’s top 20 including Tottenham, Newcastle and West Ham.

      Forbes’ top 10 most valuable teams of 2015:

      1) Real Madrid 3.26billion (£2.13billion)

      2) Barcelona 3.16billion (£2.07billion)

      3) Manchester United 3.10billion (£2.03billion)

      4) Bayern Munich 2.35billion (£1.54billion)

      5) Manchester City 1.38billion (£905million)

      6) Chelsea 1.37billion (£898million)

      7) Arsenal 1.31billion (£859million)

      8.) Liverpool 982million (£644million)

      9) Juventus 837million (£549million)

      10) AC Milan 775million (£508million)

      http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/liverpool-fc-worth-nearly-1bn-9198074

      No more excuses, FSG. Time to give the manager the financial backing that will put another challenge in and give us a Summer we can actually get excited about!
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      Reply #1: May 07, 2015 03:56:51 am
      I think that proves they are doing nothing but putting money into LFC, remember where we were 5 years ago?
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      Reply #2: May 07, 2015 07:02:31 am
      How does that prove they are putting  money in it already states in that , the jump was made on the back of tv money and marketing fck all to do with them putting short arms in deep pockets .
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      Reply #3: May 07, 2015 08:30:39 am
      Things are good on the business side with FSG, and ok on the footi side.

      Now to make things better than ok on the footi side please FSG, back BR properly this summer, and break the bank for some proper classy players, no more potential.
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      Reply #4: May 07, 2015 09:09:19 am
      Great news on the business front, now is the time for FSG to splash out on some real quality players. Only then will the team move up the Premier league, which what mainly counts to the long suffering fans of this great club.
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      Reply #5: May 07, 2015 09:13:10 am
      Wish I was a share holder and not a football fan.

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      Reply #6: May 07, 2015 09:21:37 am
      I think that proves they are doing nothing but putting money into LFC, remember where we were 5 years ago?

      Well thanks for that, Mr Ayre.

      They put F**k all in.
      Still 120m of debt on the club.
      All the stars have left.
      sh*te as replacements.
      Brutal player wage slashes.
      Tiny net spend (funded by wage slashes)
      Rip off £50 tickets. TEN TIMES the price of Bayern's, Real's and Barce's comparable tickets.

      But hey, you keep patting your bosses on the back.

      I give you the prize for the most laughable post of May.
      Did you think it was April fools day or something?

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      Reply #7: May 07, 2015 09:23:18 am
      Greedy, extremist maggots.

      They love bigging themselves up as a rip off outfit.
      Not so keen to explain superstars being swapped for supershite.

      Freeloading on all the work of Rafa, Paisley, Shanks, John Moores, John Smith etc.

      Shanks would have beat the sh*t out of John Henry is he called LFC a "brand".
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      Reply #8: May 07, 2015 09:24:54 am
      How does that prove they are putting  money in it already states in that , the jump was made on the back of tv money and marketing fck all to do with them putting short arms in deep pockets .

      Infact, we're not even considered a big club any more.
      Its just an elaborate scam, analogous to "traditional" asset stripping.
      Death by a thousand cuts. Or rather 10 or 15 in thise case.
      Death by 18 pieces of sh*t in Boston.

      RIP LFC
      « Last Edit: May 07, 2015 11:37:34 am by AmericanPlant »
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      Reply #9: May 07, 2015 10:12:10 am
      What it proves is that they're running the business effectively and have benefited from increased TV revenue. What it also proves is that they're running the football side ineffectively because our rivals are all pulling away from us because our rivals are all willing to buy in players for the here and now and so have all benefited from regular Champions League Football. What it proves is FSG, whilst responsible owners, have a footballing model that is flawed and needs to change. So, as I said at the end of the post, no more excuses, now is the time to bring in some star dust and accelerate our growth by breaking back in to the Champions league and working towards winning the title in the next couple of years.
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      Reply #10: May 07, 2015 10:33:05 am
      We might be ahead of Juve in the riches table, but they is in the semi of the CL. Food for thought alright.
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      Reply #11: May 07, 2015 10:41:54 am
      I still think FSG deserve some credit for generating this money, and stabilising the club.

      But I also agree that we need to start winning things, which means more investment properly in the team.

      Look at the arsenal model though lads, they built that new stadium and penny pinched on the team for what best part of 10 years, now they are in a position where thier squad is good quality, and they can now afford to go and spend big on the right players. They have also started to win trophies, they could win back to back FA Cups. And continue to be in the top 4.

      So there are different ways of competing, not all the Man CIty\chavski moneybags way.

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      Reply #12: May 07, 2015 11:13:10 am
      How much longer though can we trade on history and former glories , sponsers are surely attracted to winning formula's , our name will only go so far the clock is ticking .On fsg .
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      Reply #13: May 07, 2015 11:40:25 am
      How much longer though can we trade on history and former glories , sponsers are surely attracted to winning formula's , our name will only go so far the clock is ticking .On fsg .

      The maggots have been here since 2010. Weakened the team. Increasingly ripped off the fans. Same 125m debt on the club accts with much more further up the ownership chain. Same disinterested faceless Yanks in charge.
      Next scam is the "ohh we have to pay for the new stand" scam ie ANOTHER 7 years.

      LEts be honest. They are cu*ts. These leopards won't change their spots in another 5 yrs.
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      Reply #14: May 07, 2015 11:45:06 am
      I still think FSG deserve some credit for generating this money, and stabilising the club.

      But I also agree that we need to start winning things, which means more investment properly in the team.

      Look at the arsenal model though lads, they built that new stadium and penny pinched on the team for what best part of 10 years, now they are in a position where thier squad is good quality, and they can now afford to go and spend big on the right players. They have also started to win trophies, they could win back to back FA Cups. And continue to be in the top 4.

      So there are different ways of competing, not all the Man CIty\chavski moneybags way.

      Is this some sort of wind up post again?

      The same Arsenal that was booed off the pitch last yr. The same Arsenal that one about ONE trophy in was it EIGHT years or so? The same Arsenal with ONE HUNDRED POUND NON CORPORATE TICKETS? The same Arsenal that sold all its stars esp to Man City and others.

      If Arsenal is some sort of "model", I'll f**k off and watch Trannymere.

      Arsenal, Manc Utd, Lpool ALL run by greedy, lying, disinterested foreign cu*ts.
      All lost out to serious owners both at home AND abroad.

      Since American ownership our formerly top PL clubs have dropped like sacks of sh*t in the Champs Lge.

      If Arsenal are a "football club", most fans (not the day trippers from the Middle East etc) will tell Kroenke to shove the "brand" up his arsenal hole.

      PS selling all your decent players is NOT "stabilising" a club. Its KILLING it.
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      Reply #15: May 07, 2015 11:46:07 am
      Oh great!
      Pity 4 of the ones ahead are in the same league.
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      Reply #16: May 07, 2015 11:52:16 am
      FSG must be loving this - another way to dampen down expectations with 4 Premier League teams being ahead of us.
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      Reply #17: May 07, 2015 11:53:56 am
      Thats all gutter rags like Forbes are interested in.
      How much "Team USA Inc" is "worth".

      The club was sold for 224m a few yrs back. And then supposedly 300m or so to Yanksters 2.0.

      Yet the creeps want a BILLION USD to have us rid of Parasites v2?

      Nothing but scum. Cultural terrorists. Stick your "brand" up your arseholes. Lets see how Forbes value it then.
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      Reply #18: May 07, 2015 11:55:10 am
      "Super six" and we replace Torres and Suarez with Carroll and balotelli...

      Bet that journo-blert has never even WAT|CHED a footie match..
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      Reply #19: May 07, 2015 12:13:10 pm
      Oh great!
      Pity 4 of the ones ahead are in the same league.

      Another reason for us to learn our place in the pecking order.
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      Reply #20: May 07, 2015 12:39:20 pm
      AmericanPlant, did we not replace Suarez with Balotelli 16m, Lambert 3m, Lallana 25m, Markovic 20m, Moreno 12m, Manquillo f, Lovren 20m and Can 10m? Around a £100m worth. That tells me that the owners aren't the problem here.  When the fans were lining the streets before the Spurs, Citeh and Chelsea home games last season I didn't hear a whistle about the owners.
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      Reply #21: May 07, 2015 12:57:04 pm
      AmericanPlant why don't you go and support Chelsea or City then lad because it seems pretty clear you would like our club to be ran like theirs?

      First of all, ticket prices are a joke for any big club in the premiership. You moan that FSG won't invest into the squad but the contradict yourself and say ticket prices are too expensive. The four clubs above us sell their tickets at the same price if not more. We can't drop ours until they drop theirs or we risk falling behind - its something the FA have to look into and put a cap on prices, you can't blame FSG for that.

      ''Our cheapest season tickets= FIVE TIMES the price of R Madrid's cheapest''.  Again, Real Madrid have a larger capacity than we do. Real Madrid are a bigger brand than we are and sell much more merchandise etc. There is no competition in LA Liga so they are almost certain to qualify for the CL year in year out. La Liga isn't as rich or as entertaining as the premier league either. Who would pay £50 to watch Madrid at home to F***ing Eibar? There is very few away travel taking up seats too. So they can afford and have reason to drop their prices - we can't yet.

      We've reduced our wage bill yes but lets have a look at some of those players. Reina wanted to go he made that clear. Agger was crocked and could never play a full season for us - if you owned Liverpool would you pay a player top wages who was only fit to play half a season? Same with Carra and Gerrard, both became squad players, so if you owned LFC and if it was YOUR money, would you pay those players top dollar every week who don't always feature for us? I wouldn't. So I don't blame them for reducing the wage bill.

      Where I do agree with you is that we haven't replaced them. We haven't brought in any players with that sort of calibre just yet.

      BUT we have spent money under FSG. Regardless of net spend, we have spent big under FSG. I've read we have spent over 300m since Rodgers has been here.  I cant be arsed right now working it all out but if that's true then that is a hefty amount - REGARDLESS OF SALES.

      Its all football manager sh*t, but I reckon within 3 years I could make a quality team/squad after spending 300m starting from scratch - under their youth policies or not.

      FSG's policies are certainly questionable and they aren't perfect by any means but they aren't as tragic as you make out either. They could be a lot F***ing worse. In the summer this forum was full of praise for them in the transfer threads and the majority of us were happy with Lallana, Markovic, Lovren, even F***ing Balotelli.

      I'm thankful that we aren't anything like City & Chelsea who sack managers every season & play football manager every summer. I'd F***ing hate to be like that. Winning silverware wouldn't feel right knowing some criminal turned up and bought you it.  That criminal will F**k off one day too and leave them in the sh*t - they'll probably go Bankrupt and drop down the divisions, so I hope they enjoy it while it lasts.

      A question for you, if we are taken over in the summer by some arab billionaire and we spent 200m on superstars and go on to win the league next season, would that feel as sweet for you compared to if we had won it last season?

      The club was in absolute ruins when FSG took over. I'll state again that I don't think they are perfect by any means but we could be a lot F***ing worse. They are doing 'alright'.










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      Reply #22: May 07, 2015 01:40:25 pm
      AmericanPlant why don't you go and support Chelsea or City then lad because it seems pretty clear you would like our club to be ran like theirs?

      First of all, ticket prices are a joke for any big club in the premiership. You moan that FSG won't invest into the squad but the contradict yourself and say ticket prices are too expensive. The four clubs above us sell their tickets at the same price if not more. We can't drop ours until they drop theirs or we risk falling behind - its something the FA have to look into and put a cap on prices, you can't blame FSG for that.

      ''Our cheapest season tickets= FIVE TIMES the price of R Madrid's cheapest''.  Again, Real Madrid have a larger capacity than we do. Real Madrid are a bigger brand than we are and sell much more merchandise etc. There is no competition in LA Liga so they are almost certain to qualify for the CL year in year out. La Liga isn't as rich or as entertaining as the premier league either. Who would pay £50 to watch Madrid at home to f**king Eibar? There is very few away travel taking up seats too. So they can afford and have reason to drop their prices - we can't yet.

      We've reduced our wage bill yes but lets have a look at some of those players. Reina wanted to go he made that clear. Agger was crocked and could never play a full season for us - if you owned Liverpool would you pay a player top wages who was only fit to play half a season? Same with Carra and Gerrard, both became squad players, so if you owned LFC and if it was YOUR money, would you pay those players top dollar every week who don't always feature for us? I wouldn't. So I don't blame them for reducing the wage bill.

      Where I do agree with you is that we haven't replaced them. We haven't brought in any players with that sort of calibre just yet.

      BUT we have spent money under FSG. Regardless of net spend, we have spent big under FSG. I've read we have spent over 300m since Rodgers has been here.  I cant be arsed right now working it all out but if that's true then that is a hefty amount - REGARDLESS OF SALES.

      Its all football manager sh*t, but I reckon within 3 years I could make a quality team/squad after spending 300m starting from scratch - under their youth policies or not.

      FSG's policies are certainly questionable and they aren't perfect by any means but they aren't as tragic as you make out either. They could be a lot f**king worse. In the summer this forum was full of praise for them in the transfer threads and the majority of us were happy with Lallana, Markovic, Lovren, even f**king Balotelli.

      I'm thankful that we aren't anything like City & Chelsea who sack managers every season & play football manager every summer. I'd f**king hate to be like that. Winning silverware wouldn't feel right knowing some criminal turned up and bought you it.  That criminal will f**k off one day too and leave them in the sh*t - they'll probably go Bankrupt and drop down the divisions, so I hope they enjoy it while it lasts.

      A question for you, if we are taken over in the summer by some arab billionaire and we spent 200m on superstars and go on to win the league next season, would that feel as sweet for you compared to if we had won it last season?

      The club was in absolute ruins when FSG took over. I'll state again that I don't think they are perfect by any means but we could be a lot f**king worse. They are doing 'alright'.

      Why don't you go and support the American Tea Party. Or whatever it is money greedy Americans are actually interested in.

      I don't need a lecture from you about which football team I should support.

      And for the record, its not a "football club" its an "entertainment brand" these days, part of a hedge fund portfolio. It makes as much sense as "supporting" RBS.

      Fenway are confidence tricksters. The real fans, the real analysts don't have any problem working that out.
      All you want to do is parrot a load of tripe to keep the fans being ripped off.

      There was a vast amt of money available to rebuild. But they chose to lay 120m in purchase debt on the club instead - just like Scammers version 1.

      We're no better off the five yrs ago. As Rafa would say "that is a fact".

      Don't bother replying, you're boring... xxxxx:action-smiley-065:
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      Reply #23: May 07, 2015 01:41:50 pm
      AmericanPlant, did we not replace Suarez with Balotelli 16m, Lambert 3m, Lallana 25m, Markovic 20m, Moreno 12m, Manquillo f, Lovren 20m and Can 10m? Around a £100m worth. That tells me that the owners aren't the problem here. 


      I see, so its the FA's fault for not letting Mr Sparkleyteeth field 16 players at once...  :roll:

      Who are you blaming then? The Easter Bunny?  :o

      Comedy post of the week from you.
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      Reply #24: May 07, 2015 01:49:26 pm

      The club was in absolute ruins when FSG took over. I'll state again that I don't think they are perfect by any means but we could be a lot f**king worse. They are doing 'alright'.



      This !
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      Reply #25: May 07, 2015 02:10:57 pm

      So where are these accounts you keep promising to unveil which show the dastardly plans of fsg?

      What's that?

      They don't exist?

      Well, who would've guessed that!
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      Reply #26: May 07, 2015 02:43:34 pm
      So where are these accounts you keep promising to unveil which show the dastardly plans of fsg?

      What's that?

      They don't exist?

      Well, who would've guessed that!

      How can accounts "not exist"? The "club" accounts are a public record. You can see them at Swiss Ramble.
      The real fans have made observations about them. And ther real fans have observed the shower of sh*t we have experienced ON FIELD.

      What more do you require? Pictures of Henry murdering babies?  :roll:

      The "dastardly plan" as you put it is very clear. Planned mediocrity, F**k all investment.
      Do I need to write the league table in crayons for you?

      Its very boring. Fenway are cu*ts, any real fan can see that.
      But all you want to do is act the plant all day.
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      Reply #27: May 07, 2015 02:58:03 pm
      How can accounts "not exist"? The "club" accounts are a public record. You can see them at Swiss Ramble.
      The real fans have made observations about them. And ther real fans have observed the shower of sh*t we have experienced ON FIELD.

      What more do you require? Pictures of Henry murdering babies?  :roll:

      The "dastardly plan" as you put it is very clear. Planned mediocrity, F**k all investment.
      Do I need to write the league table in crayons for you?

      Its very boring. Fenway are cu*ts, any real fan can see that.
      But all you want to do is act the plant all day.

      Like I said, you've been banging on about posting your "proof" from the LFC accounts for months, and yet we haven't seen a thing.

      Post your proof, as you have repeatedly promised.
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      Reply #28: May 07, 2015 03:02:21 pm
      Oh great!
      Pity 4 of the ones ahead are in the same league.

      Another reason for us to learn our place in the pecking order.

      This. Absolutely this.
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      Reply #29: May 07, 2015 03:10:09 pm
      Not bad for a £300MM acquisition, 5 years ago...
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      Reply #30: May 07, 2015 03:20:25 pm
      Well we could always all stop buying tickets, shirts and going to the game. That would force their hand, it would provoke some kind of response or lead to a take-over at a much reduced price to the £600m they're currently laughing their balls off at but while we do continue to line up like good little soldiers and fill their pension pots we've actually got nobody else to blame but ourselves.
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      Reply #31: May 07, 2015 04:25:36 pm
      Well we could always all stop buying tickets, shirts and going to the game. That would force their hand, it would provoke some kind of response or lead to a take-over at a much reduced price to the £600m they're currently laughing their balls off at but while we do continue to line up like good little soldiers and fill their pension pots we've actually got nobody else to blame but ourselves.

      Go for it.

      Then when we really DO get asset strippers who bleed the club dry like h&g almost managed, you'll really have something to complain about when we go bust.

      We have a finite amount of money to spend. i.e. the revenue the club generates.
      We only just complied with FFP.
      BR got the targets he wanted last summer, with 1 exception.

      I've even asked an accountant mate to look over the books in case I missed anything when I looked.
      You know what he found regarding evidence that FSG are syphoning money out?
      None.

      5 years in, and we continue to grow.
      Their transfer policy and wages policy may or may not be flawed according to the known information (and the fact is that we really know F**k all), but if that's the biggest problem, I can live with it.
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      Reply #32: May 07, 2015 04:26:20 pm
      American Plant, can I ask you this; what sort of team would you expect on the pitch and what expectations after spending £777 milion on players in the past 13 years or £276 million in the last 4 years?
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      Reply #33: May 07, 2015 04:46:41 pm
      American Plant, can I ask you this; what sort of team would you expect on the pitch and what expectations after spending £777 milion on players in the past 13 years or £276 million in the last 4 years?

      You're evidently ANOTHER shill for the crooked owners.

      1)Show your source. Is it the "Hans Christian Andersen guide to Soccerball" by any chance.
      No its "The Shills guide to ripoffs and frauds".


      2)777m is pure comedy.
      274m spent in the last 4? You should do standup. :lmao:

      3)Why dont you list the INCOME LFC has had. Both from player sales AND revenue.
      Answer:because you're a conning troll looking to cheat football fans out of their right to a decent team.

      4)Hows THIS 12 players:-
      Reina, Arbeloa, Agger, Carragher, Mascherano, Alonso, Sahin, Mereiles, Maxi, Kuyt, Gerrard, Suarez, Torres

      3 sold under Hicks and Gilette.
      The rest sold left under your bosses.

      What did we get in?
      Mignolet, Manquillo, Moreno, DEFENCE, DEFENCE, Adam, Allen, Downing, Suarez, Carroll, Sturridge, Henderson.

      COST: vastly less than what was sold.
      WAGES: vastly less than what was sold.

      RESULT: a fraud of epic proportions.
      Applauded by YOUR kind.

      Go back to your rounders, You're an embarrassment to your country ...  xxxxx:action-smiley-065:






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      Reply #34: May 07, 2015 04:48:58 pm
      Well we could always all stop buying tickets, shirts and going to the game. That would force their hand, it would provoke some kind of response or lead to a take-over at a much reduced price to the £600m they're currently laughing their balls off at but while we do continue to line up like good little soldiers and fill their pension pots we've actually got nobody else to blame but ourselves.

      Exactly. Personally, I'd have more fun stabbing myself in the bollocks with a rusty knife, than giving John Henry a penny for the shower of sh*t he thinks he can serve up.

      Hit these crooks in the pocket and they'll crawl back under their rocks. Just like the previous crooks.
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      Re: Super Six
      Reply #35: May 07, 2015 04:51:44 pm
      Like I said, you've been banging on about posting your "proof" from the LFC accounts for months, and yet we haven't seen a thing.

      Post your proof, as you have repeatedly promised.

      Have you had a bang on the head? The accounts are at Swiss Ramble.
      Or maybe the internet doesn't work where you are?

      Its very clear. Nominal net spend on sh*t players. (hardly enough to cover annual depreciation, let alone rebuild the team) Player wages have fallen WELL behind PL inflation.
      Result = sh*t team and lots of money for your crooked bosses.
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      Re: Super Six
      Reply #36: May 07, 2015 05:13:41 pm
      Go for it.

      Then when we really DO get asset strippers who bleed the club dry like h&g almost managed, you'll really have something to complain about when we go bust.

      We have a finite amount of money to spend. i.e. the revenue the club generates.
      We only just complied with FFP.
      BR got the targets he wanted last summer, with 1 exception.

      I've even asked an accountant mate to look over the books in case I missed anything when I looked.
      You know what he found regarding evidence that FSG are syphoning money out?
      None.

      5 years in, and we continue to grow.
      Their transfer policy and wages policy may or may not be flawed according to the known information (and the fact is that we really know f**k all), but if that's the biggest problem, I can live with it.

      I get your point Swab but if they're not in it for the football and only in it for the investment and pension pot they'll receive they are essentially milking us, just very slowly.

      It is also very simple to move the interest further up the chain so then further down the line when the asset gets sold and all debts to all companies are repaid the interest that was shown as 0% to LFC is actually charged at a rate to whoever it is that initially loaned that money. I'm not saying that is being done but it wouldn't surprise me in the least!

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      Reply #37: May 07, 2015 05:38:24 pm
      I get your point Swab but if they're not in it for the football and only in it for the investment and pension pot they'll receive they are essentially milking us, just very slowly.

      It is also very simple to move the interest further up the chain so then further down the line when the asset gets sold and all debts to all companies are repaid the interest that was shown as 0% to LFC is actually charged at a rate to whoever it is that initially loaned that money. I'm not saying that is being done but it wouldn't surprise me in the least!

      No, according to JH, he is in it for the challenge of proving that it can be done differently to how it has always been done, and that's not ideal either.
      It's not an investment opportunity, because they will make F**k all money from it until they sell up.

      h&g paid very high rates of interest.

      With fsg, we don't pay any interest.

      I am completely, 100% confident that money is not being taken out of the club to "line john henry's pockets".
      For a start, it doesn't make sense on any level.
      It would show up in the accounts.
      He would make much, much more money on the S.E. if he wanted to.

      On the downside, we are paying for him and the group he represents to own the club, but it is in no way similar to the way h&g tried to do it.
      Also on the downside are the alleged policies regarding transfers and wages, but there has been a lot of speculation and nothing else about how this works, with some pretty funny conspiracy theories thrown in for good measure.
      For instance: "BR has his hands tied by FSG as to what we can afford".
      Now call me old fashioned, but it works exactly the same way at any club and in any business.
      You have a budget, you have to stay within budget.

      Nor can FSG just throw their own money at transfers as some suggest, because of FFP.

      On the plus side, we've grown every year they've been here, BR has had plenty of money for transfers and we have some cracking young players who will only improve, as well as financial stability. Our purchasing power will continue to grow as the club grows.

      We're in the same position as many other top clubs across Europe as far as player acquisition goes, and better off than most.

      BR is held by many to be blameless in the transfer market, but frankly, that's just horseshit propagated by people who want something to whine about but don't want to have a go at the manager.
      Yes, he works under restrictions, as does every other manager at every club.

      If our transfer and wages policy (as speculated about) isn't working, then it is the fault of everyone involved with it, from FSG right down through BR to the scouting dept.

      Everything isn't rosy, and anyone who knows my posting history will know that I expressed severe reservations about the alleged policy from the moment the rumours about it became widely disseminated (although I don't accept we know much about it in reality).

      There's lots of people with easy answers, but not a single one of them can give alternatives when pressed, especially about the reality of our financial situation and FFP.
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      Re: Super Six
      Reply #38: May 07, 2015 05:43:04 pm
      Have you had a bang on the head? The accounts are at Swiss Ramble.
      Or maybe the internet doesn't work where you are?

      Its very clear. Nominal net spend on sh*t players. (hardly enough to cover annual depreciation, let alone rebuild the team) Player wages have fallen WELL behind PL inflation.
      Result = sh*t team and lots of money for your crooked bosses.

      Have you had a bang on the head?

      You've been bragging for months about how you can show in the accounts that money is being taken out by the owners, but when asked you just resort to more ad hominem bullshit, trot out a couple of excuses and then disappear for a couple of weeks hoping no-one will remember.

      YOU are the person who stated categorically that you would post up the relevant parts of the accounts where YOU said it was proved money was being taken out.
      So, post up your info, PROVE what you say you can prove or lose any semblance of credibility you have left.

      I'll even let you into a little secret: swiss F***ing ramble is not the only place to find the club accounts. They are freely and openly available to anyone who wants to look at them online.
      I've done this, I've looked at them. I've even had an accountant mate go through them.
      You know what we found regarding your allegations?
      F**k all.

      So I'm just dying to see the proof you have that no one else can find.
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      Reply #39: May 07, 2015 05:48:47 pm
      Like I said, you've been banging on about posting your "proof" from the LFC accounts for months, and yet we haven't seen a thing.

      Post your proof, as you have repeatedly promised.

      Please, don't encourage the lunatic.  :roll:
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      Re: Super Six
      Reply #40: May 07, 2015 05:52:57 pm
      Please, don't encourage the lunatic.  :roll:

      Just asking him to do what he promised :D
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      Reply #41: May 07, 2015 06:01:11 pm
      So, the 4 clubs currently above us in the league are the same clubs that are more valuable, have more revenue and pay higher wages. Predictable, and sad. We're the 5th club right now.
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      Re: Super Six
      Reply #42: May 07, 2015 06:05:32 pm
      You're evidently ANOTHER shill for the crooked owners.

      Hey why don't you stop attacking other posters? and while your at it provide the hard evidence you keep saying you have, not selective quotes from Swiss blog to suit your whims.


      Your all talk and nothing else, zero credibility and a big mouth with nothing but sh*t that spews out.
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      Re: Super Six
      Reply #43: May 07, 2015 06:05:57 pm
      AmericanPlant when he reads replies to his posts....
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      Reply #44: May 07, 2015 06:24:54 pm
      No, according to JH, he is in it for the challenge of proving that it can be done differently to how it has always been done, and that's not ideal either.
      It's not an investment opportunity, because they will make f**k all money from it until they sell up.

      Come on Swab, of course it's an investment, you actually define what an investment right there. They will make a substantial profit when they choose to sell up, their only goal, in my opinion, is maximising that investment.

      h&g paid very high rates of interest.

      With fsg, we don't pay any interest.

      Like I said it's not difficult to hide who gets charged that interest, it is easy to give a 0% loan but further up the chain charge interest on that same money.   

      I am completely, 100% confident that money is not being taken out of the club to "line john henry's pockets".
      For a start, it doesn't make sense on any level.
      It would show up in the accounts.
      He would make much, much more money on the S.E. if he wanted to.

      I'm nowhere near 100% confident.
      It wouldn't need to show up on our accounts, as I've explained.
      S.E. is speculative and I'm sure he already diversifies his portfolio enough to spend as much as he deems worthy on the S.E. Suggesting he would earn much much more is an assumption one I don't agree with.

      On the downside, we are paying for him and the group he represents to own the club, but it is in no way similar to the way h&g tried to do it.

      I never suggested it was.

      Also on the downside are the alleged policies regarding transfers and wages, but there has been a lot of speculation and nothing else about how this works, with some pretty funny conspiracy theories thrown in for good measure.

      The evidence to support this is overwhelming.

      For instance: "BR has his hands tied by FSG as to what we can afford".
      Now call me old fashioned, but it works exactly the same way at any club and in any business.
      You have a budget, you have to stay within budget.

      Not when those restrictions do indeed differ from your competitors. When your top offer in terms of wages gives you no chip at the table you might as well not sit down, at the moment we look like the chump with the biggest tell at the table right now, we flinch the moment the stakes go above a certain point.

      Nor can FSG just throw their own money at transfers as some suggest, because of FFP.

      PSG, City, Chelsea do you really think their commercial revenue is legit? They find a way, we could if we had the will, we don't.

      On the plus side, we've grown every year they've been here, BR has had plenty of money for transfers and we have some cracking young players who will only improve, as well as financial stability. Our purchasing power will continue to grow as the club grows.

      On the plus side for who, FSG are delighted with our progress, football fans are becoming increasingly apathetic.

      We're in the same position as many other top clubs across Europe as far as player acquisition goes, and better off than most.

      Except we don't have high quality players playing for us and we wont buy any either. We're 8th on the rich list and we shop at bargain basement outlets.

      BR is held by many to be blameless in the transfer market, but frankly, that's just horseshit propagated by people who want something to whine about but don't want to have a go at the manager.
      Yes, he works under restrictions, as does every other manager at every club.

      See I'm somewhere in the middle on this one, I hold both aspects of our committee accountable. I believe the restrictions are to blame and Brendan to blame but for differing reasons.


      If our transfer and wages policy (as speculated about) isn't working, then it is the fault of everyone involved with it, from FSG right down through BR to the scouting dept.

      I agree with this and think the whole policy should be ripped up, I believe a DoF should be brought in and Brendan's say in who we get diminished.


      There's lots of people with easy answers, but not a single one of them can give alternatives when pressed, especially about the reality of our financial situation and FFP.

      There's many easy solutions, none of which FSG choose to take.
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      Re: Super Six
      Reply #45: May 07, 2015 06:40:06 pm
      AmericanPlant when he reads replies to his posts....


      I want Miguel Herrera to be my life coach.
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      Re: Super Six
      Reply #46: May 07, 2015 06:42:16 pm
       KopiteLuke, I appreciate the thoughtful answer, but I don't on principle reply to posts which try to dissect every single point, because I prefer a narrative approach, and (truthfully) all that quoting and posting stuff gets on my nerves when I try to do it because I keep F***ing it up.

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      Re: Super Six
      Reply #47: May 07, 2015 06:44:38 pm
      KopiteLuke, I appreciate the thoughtful answer, but I don't on principle reply to posts which try to dissect every single point, because I prefer a narrative approach, and (truthfully) all that quoting and posting stuff gets on my nerves when I try to do it because I keep f**king it up.



      Haha fair enough Swab, no worries :D
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      Reply #48: May 07, 2015 06:48:16 pm
      Haha fair enough Swab, no worries :D

      If we can continue the debate using a narrative style I'm all for it, as I like your posts and respect your opinion.
      On the other hand, if you decide that it's not for you, no worries :)
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      Reply #49: May 07, 2015 07:01:43 pm
      and (truthfully) all that quoting and posting stuff gets on my nerves when I try to do it because I keep F***ing it up.

      *cough* old man *cough*
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      Re: Super Six
      Reply #50: May 07, 2015 07:03:14 pm

       :laugh:
      Can't deny it.
      Can't deny the odd Meldrew moment either, or an increasing amount of "senior" moments.

      I blame it on the stuff my lad gave me to smoke after my op  :laugh:
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      Re: Super Six
      Reply #51: May 08, 2015 02:44:37 am
      Swab, it appears that the pernicious weed is nothing but a Goebbels' clone,  If you repeat a lie often enough, people will believe it, and you will even come to believe it yourself
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      Reply #52: May 08, 2015 09:51:52 am
      Swab, it appears that the pernicious weed is nothing but a Goebbels' clone,  If you repeat a lie often enough, people will believe it, and you will even come to believe it yourself

      You're the one that tells us how brilliant the Fenway scammers are. Yet you claim its ME thats the Goebbels propagandist.  :lmao:
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      Reply #53: May 08, 2015 10:37:11 am
      Investors Make Killing On Repossessed Property Shocker
      Tenants still waiting on new 'winning' kitchen and bathroom.
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      Re: Super Six
      Reply #54: May 08, 2015 12:07:53 pm
      You're the one that tells us how brilliant the Fenway scammers are. Yet you claim its ME thats the Goebbels propagandist.  :lmao:

      See Swab, a deluded liar.
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      Re: Super Six
      Reply #55: May 08, 2015 12:41:09 pm

      oh, I know that mate. He's been on ignore for months, but I occasionally ask him to provide the "truth"  and the "evidence" that he claims he has, just because he usually disappears for a while after someone pulls him on it.

      I think anyone who knows your posting history and views about FSG cannot possibly claim you said anything like this.
      It's bizarre this internet thing.
      There seem to be lots of people who think if they put something on the 'net, it automatically becomes true.
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      Re: Super Six
      Reply #56: May 08, 2015 06:04:20 pm
      There seem to be lots of people who think if they put something on the 'net, it automatically becomes true.

      In his case with a much less horrid outcome he definitely is trying the internet version of the Goebbels system of information.

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