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      Re: The Transfer Committee Thread
      Reply #529: Oct 14, 2015 03:10:20 am
      I'm glad Klopp is the biggest star in the team. That is important. I think  MBA's changed the way we think about organisations. They were developed with the idea that running a business is transferable. Unfortunately they have bred a culture where administrators in whatever guise e.g. laptop boy or operations officer suddenly widen their jurisdiction. The business needs business people but they aren't necessarily football people. Klopp will silence those fu*kers though because he has the credentials and personality. BR didn't and that allowed for scope creep. Rafa was done for by H&G though which should be a warning. They pulled the rug on the team and sat back and let the media take Rafa out. It can happen, I just hope we've won the EPL and CL before once more the rot sets in.
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      Reply #530: Oct 14, 2015 04:08:10 am
      In many ways I could care less about the number of people we have contributing insights on potential new recruits as long as it's an efficient process that enables the manager to make a decision with the best information available.

      Any danger that he may be persuaded to sign a player against his honestly held beliefs about the kinds of players we need can be dealt with by making it clear that ultimately it is his decision and everyone else is there to support him in that endeavour.

      Added to that, I think in Klopp we have a strong character who will have firm convictions about the kinds of players he wants, in terms of general attributes as well as character; and that ought to significantly reduce the likelihood of any committee process(es) resulting in our signing a hodge-podge of occasionally headless chickens.

      In the end, having a strong manager is the best way of ensuring any potentially adverse rules/systems/policies/bullshit imposed from above don't get in the way of building a strong team.

      Good post.

      Good to see you're back too!
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      Reply #531: Oct 14, 2015 05:44:31 am
      Good post.

      Good to see you're back too!

      Cheers mate.

      After a while on the forums I can't really be a'rsed to post much these days but this site is still one of my "go to" pages for lfc news & discussion (thanks to those who can be a'rsed; I salute your perseverance).
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      Reply #532: Oct 14, 2015 11:19:14 am
      I think we may have too many entrenched views one way or the other for this debate to have any more legs.

      I believe that Klopp will be broadly working in a system that he has done before, and the fact that he said it was a 10 second discussion backs that up, but others think hes going to be working in something that is new to him.

      The DoF is a bit if a red herring in the Brendan debate because there is no guarantee that if our committee had that DoF that the manager wouldn't still be working against his wishes and looking to sign the players he wanted to sign. I think the fact that we seem to have two camps of players and then players the manager seemed to favour over the other suggests, to me anyway, that the biggest problem was the manager not buying into the structure and system in place.

      One thing I would say is that if Klopp feels something should change in the way we recruit players he should be listened to.
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      Reply #533: Oct 14, 2015 01:00:01 pm
      Rumours in Italy that we have tried to sign Juventus D.O.F. (Sporting Director) "Mr free transfer" Fabio Paratici. Apparently he has turned us down but we are expected to go back in for him.

      http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/liverpool-fc-transfer-rumours-reds-10255306? 
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      Reply #534: Oct 14, 2015 03:13:18 pm
      Rumours in Italy that we have tried to sign Juventus D.O.F. (Sporting Director) "Mr free transfer" Fabio Paratici. Apparently he has turned us down but we are expected to go back in for him.

      http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/liverpool-fc-transfer-rumours-reds-10255306? 

      We'll probably sign him on a free transfer then.
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      Reply #535: Oct 25, 2015 10:16:14 pm
      Okay, own up, which one of these bellends scouted and recommended Origi? That inclusion in Worst XI In France looks entirely justified.

      Surely a nail in the coffin for the much despised committee - what do we expect from some blokes who are only experienced in the lower leagues?

      These guys would think Ali Dia is world class considering the amount of tripe they have presided over in the lower leagues. Hire Sunday League quality personnel in the scouting department and the club will be dragged down no matter what.

      Origi is young, but still, that is no excuse - he should at the very least be showing he is a player showing SOME potential worthy of playing for Liverpool, but everything he's done has been atrocious. He's hopeless.

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      Reply #536: Oct 25, 2015 10:21:46 pm
      Okay, own up, which one of these bellends scouted and recommended Origi? That inclusion in Worst XI In France looks entirely justified.

      Surely a nail in the coffin for the much despised committee - what do we expect from some blokes who are only experienced in the lower leagues?

      These guys would think Ali Dia is world class considering the amount of tripe they have presided over in the lower leagues.

      Origi is young, but still, that is no excuse - he should at the very least be showing he is a player showing SOME potential worthy of playing for Liverpool, but everything he's done has been atrocious. He's hopeless.



      OTT much? he is a 20 year old who has played a few games, he may not have set the place alight but he hasn't stunk the place out.
      Most of the senior players are playing without any confidence which is likely to rub onto a young lad.

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      Reply #537: Oct 25, 2015 10:46:27 pm
      OTT much? he is a 20 year old who has played a few games, he may not have set the place alight but he hasn't stunk the place out.
      Most of the senior players are playing without any confidence which is likely to rub onto a young lad.



      I'm sorry but this was the worst striker performance since a certain N'Gog. Even Balotelli had a shot on him in his worst matches but everything about Origi was atrocious today.

      Terrible positioning, his running and opening up of space was non-existent while the times he got the ball he had the heaviest of touches, poor dribbling skills and his shot was weak.

      He's 4th choice striker for a reason and as we all know, these guys never last at the club.
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      Reply #538: Oct 25, 2015 10:50:06 pm
      We have much bigger issues than Origi.

      Like how we thought it was a good idea to have three attacking midfielders who all want to play central and just one wide man (who's an inexperienced kid with no goals or assists to his name yet in a Liverpool shirt).
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      Re: The Transfer Committee Thread
      Reply #539: Oct 25, 2015 10:56:14 pm
      OTT much? he is a 20 year old who has played a few games, he may not have set the place alight but he hasn't stunk the place out.
      Most of the senior players are playing without any confidence which is likely to rub onto a young lad.

       :lmao:

      Says you, who said Clyne looked like a "pub player"

      Give your head a bloody good wobble, then stick it in the tumble dryer for good effect.

      Daft pillock.
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      Reply #540: Oct 25, 2015 11:01:36 pm
      We have much bigger issues than Origi.

      Like how we thought it was a good idea to have three attacking midfielders who all want to play central and just one wide man (who's an inexperienced kid with no goals or assists to his name yet in a Liverpool shirt).

      And whose fault is that?

      Not exactly Klopp's is it considering the injury crisis with strikers and the fact that Rodgers and the damn committee never thought of buying a wide player. What do you expect JĆ¼rgen to do? Wave a magic wand and make them his complete players in a matter of days?

      I sense some are starting to get unreasonably irritated by Klopp not winning yet.... The sly digs are already starting...
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      Reply #541: Oct 25, 2015 11:12:44 pm
      And whose fault is that?

      Not exactly Klopp's is it considering the injury crisis with strikers and the fact that Rodgers and the damn committee never thought of buying a wide player. What do you expect JĆ¼rgen to do? Wave a magic wand and make them his complete players in a matter of days?

      I sense some are starting to get unreasonably irritated by Klopp not winning yet.... The sly digs are already starting...

      Where did I say it was Klopp's fault? I think it's pretty obvious who I blame for it considering I'm posting in the F***ing transfer committee thread.

      Origi at 10m in the grand scheme of things is nothing really. Loads of top clubs spend that money on youngsters and a lot of the time it doesn't work out. The bizarre composition of our midfield and attack though, that's going to take Klopp a fair few transfer windows to sort out.

      I'm not having a pop at Klopp at all, I'm just frustrated that people at the club (and some of them are still here!) actually thought it was a good idea to have a squad like this.
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      Reply #542: Oct 25, 2015 11:23:11 pm
      Okay, own up, which one of these bellends scouted and recommended Origi? That inclusion in Worst XI In France looks entirely justified.

      Surely a nail in the coffin for the much despised committee - what do we expect from some blokes who are only experienced in the lower leagues?

      These guys would think Ali Dia is world class considering the amount of tripe they have presided over in the lower leagues. Hire Sunday League quality personnel in the scouting department and the club will be dragged down no matter what.

      Origi is young, but still, that is no excuse - he should at the very least be showing he is a player showing SOME potential worthy of playing for Liverpool, but everything he's done has been atrocious. He's hopeless.



      He's played, what, less than half a dozen games for us? He was decent against Sion and should have scored, but for lack of composure. He also put in a relatively good performance against Spurs and held the ball up well.
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      Reply #543: Oct 26, 2015 07:30:51 am
      With a bit of luck JĆ¼rgen Klopp will  make the transfer committee redundant and then this club can move forward.
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      Reply #544: Oct 27, 2015 11:17:42 am
      We have much bigger issues than Origi.

      Like how we thought it was a good idea to have three attacking midfielders who all want to play central and just one wide man (who's an inexperienced kid with no goals or assists to his name yet in a Liverpool shirt).

      Yep our squad is a shambles and just shows how confused things had become under Brendan. He got too interested in buying players he thought of as versatile when in reality they all want to play in the same position and there is no natural width in any of our midfield players.

      We need to start buying players who specialise in their positions,  or if they do have versatility, it is genuine versatility rather than sticking out like square pegs in round holes.

      We are crying out for a vision just like we were when Brendan took over from Roy.
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      Re: The Transfer Committee Thread
      Reply #545: Nov 04, 2015 11:55:34 am
      The Liverpool chief executive Ian Ayre has dismissed the notion of a transfer committee at Anfield and reiterated that the new manager JĆ¼rgen Klopp will have the final say on incoming players.

      Klopp arrived at Liverpool last month and was immediately questioned over the infamous transfer committee which has come under intense scrutiny following a number of disappointing signings.

      Ayre has been part of the group that, under the owner Fenway Sports Group, helped to identify and sign players for the former manager Brendan Rodgers, who was sacked in the wake of the Merseyside derby.

      Rodgers, the head of recruitment Dave Fallows, chief scout Barry Hunter, head of performance and analysis Michael Edwards, Ayre and FSGā€™s president, Mike Gordon, comprised the group that had decided transfer strategy over the past three years.

      However, speaking at the Web Summit in Dublin, Ayre made it clear that Klopp is now in control of recruitment, while also claiming the transfer process at the club was ā€œvery smartā€.

      ā€œBrendan had the final say on all the players we signed,ā€ said Ayre. ā€œThereā€™s only one person that has the final say over what players at Liverpool Football Club and thatā€™s JĆ¼rgen Klopp right now. Thatā€™s always been the case for as long as Iā€™ve been here.

      ā€œThe words ā€˜transfer committeeā€™, I think, got used once and became this idea that we all sit round a table and have a vote on every player we sign. That couldnā€™t be further from the truth. The point that has been made about the committee, and I donā€™t think we did anything any different to most football clubs, is that the manager will say we are looking for somebody in this position and a bunch of people ā€“ a mix of traditional scouts and more recently analytical and digital-based information ā€“ bring all of that together as was always the case.

      ā€œThen we look at two, three, four players, the best players for that position, show them to the manager and the manager can go watch or have the scouts go watch those players and narrow it down. At that point Iā€™ll become more involved and start talking to clubs, agents, players on a negotiations basis and then the manager will choose.

      ā€œThatā€™s never changed. Iā€™ve been at the football club eight years.

      ā€œThe committee, and we donā€™t think of it as a committee, just the media do, is really a collaboration of all those people that all contribute to let the manager make that decision, and I think thatā€™s very smart.ā€

      http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/nov/03/liverpool-transfer-committee-JĆ¼rgen-klopp-ian-ayre

      So to sum up, there were no "BR signings" vs "Committee signings", we work the same way as every other club, BR and now Klopp have final say on ALL transfers and this media driven storm in a teacup is nonsense.

      We have heard Klopp say this, BR say the same thing, and now Ayre, so it's time to put this ridiculous conspiracy theory to bed once and for all.
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      Reply #546: Nov 04, 2015 12:19:14 pm
      The Liverpool chief executive Ian Ayre has dismissed the notion of a transfer committee at Anfield and reiterated that the new manager JĆ¼rgen Klopp will have the final say on incoming players.

      Klopp arrived at Liverpool last month and was immediately questioned over the infamous transfer committee which has come under intense scrutiny following a number of disappointing signings.

      Ayre has been part of the group that, under the owner Fenway Sports Group, helped to identify and sign players for the former manager Brendan Rodgers, who was sacked in the wake of the Merseyside derby.

      Rodgers, the head of recruitment Dave Fallows, chief scout Barry Hunter, head of performance and analysis Michael Edwards, Ayre and FSGā€™s president, Mike Gordon, comprised the group that had decided transfer strategy over the past three years.

      However, speaking at the Web Summit in Dublin, Ayre made it clear that Klopp is now in control of recruitment, while also claiming the transfer process at the club was ā€œvery smartā€.

      ā€œBrendan had the final say on all the players we signed,ā€ said Ayre. ā€œThereā€™s only one person that has the final say over what players at Liverpool Football Club and thatā€™s JĆ¼rgen Klopp right now. Thatā€™s always been the case for as long as Iā€™ve been here.

      ā€œThe words ā€˜transfer committeeā€™, I think, got used once and became this idea that we all sit round a table and have a vote on every player we sign. That couldnā€™t be further from the truth. The point that has been made about the committee, and I donā€™t think we did anything any different to most football clubs, is that the manager will say we are looking for somebody in this position and a bunch of people ā€“ a mix of traditional scouts and more recently analytical and digital-based information ā€“ bring all of that together as was always the case.

      ā€œThen we look at two, three, four players, the best players for that position, show them to the manager and the manager can go watch or have the scouts go watch those players and narrow it down. At that point Iā€™ll become more involved and start talking to clubs, agents, players on a negotiations basis and then the manager will choose.

      ā€œThatā€™s never changed. Iā€™ve been at the football club eight years.

      ā€œThe committee, and we donā€™t think of it as a committee, just the media do, is really a collaboration of all those people that all contribute to let the manager make that decision, and I think thatā€™s very smart.ā€

      http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/nov/03/liverpool-transfer-committee-JĆ¼rgen-klopp-ian-ayre

      So to sum up, there were no "BR signings" vs "Committee signings", we work the same way as every other club, BR and now Klopp have final say on ALL transfers and this media driven storm in a teacup is nonsense.

      We have heard Klopp say this, BR say the same thing, and now Ayre, so it's time to put this ridiculous conspiracy theory to bed once and for all.

      Oh I think there absolutely were "Committee" vs "BR" signings. Yes, Brendan had the last say, but read what Ayre is saying...Brendan identified a position he wanted to strengthen and the scouts and "digital information" (computer program anyone?) would find players to fit. Sometimes those players likely were players Brendan pushed for (Joe Allen) and sometimes they weren't (Balotelli, Sakho). If I'm hungry and someone brings me two options for dinner, raw beets or hard boiled eggs....I don't want either of them but if it's either one of those or nothing, then yes, I'd make my "final say" the hard boiled eggs because I hate them a little less than raw beets.

      So while he had the final say, he really didn't want either but took what he was offered because  it was better than nothing (Balotelli).

      That's how I  see it and I'd be surprised if that's not at least from a high level, how things went. I could be wrong, it's happened once before I think.
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      Reply #547: Nov 04, 2015 12:23:20 pm
      Oh I think there absolutely were "Committee" vs "BR" signings. Yes, Brendan had the last say, but read what Ayre is saying...Brendan identified a position he wanted to strengthen and the scouts and "digital information" (computer program anyone?) would find players to fit. Sometimes those players likely were players Brendan pushed for (Joe Allen) and sometimes they weren't (Balotelli, Sakho). If I'm hungry and someone brings me two options for dinner, raw beets or hard boiled eggs....I don't want either of them but if it's either one of those or nothing, then yes, I'd make my "final say" the hard boiled eggs because I hate them a little less than raw beets.

      So while he had the final say, he really didn't want either but took what he was offered because  it was better than nothing (Balotelli).

      That's how I  see it and I'd be surprised if that's not at least from a high level, how things went. I could be wrong, it's happened once before I think.

      Incorrect.
      Read it again, and realise that we work the same way as pretty much every other club, and forget the rubbish about a "computer program" dictating what players we sign.

      This "committee" nonsense is nothing more than people trying to make a mountain out of a F***ing molehill, which is not surprising when people dismiss direct quotes from the manager, former manager and CEO in favour of what they "believe".
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      Reply #548: Nov 04, 2015 12:28:15 pm

      Incorrect.
      Read it again, and realise that we work the same way as pretty much every other club, and forget the rubbish about a "computer program" dictating what players we sign.
      Where did I say it would "dictate" which players we signed? I said (and it's been widely reported, ask reddebs) that we use programmatic means to identify players (among more traditional ways).


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      This "committee" nonsense is nothing more than people trying to make a mountain out of a f**king molehill, which is not surprising when people dismiss direct quotes from the manager, former manager and CEO in favour of what they "believe".
      So replace the word "committee" with "group of men" if you have such an aversion to the word commitee. And where did I say that we are doing anything other clubs aren't doing?

      My argument is that there were absolutely players that BR didn't really want but had no other choice but to sign. And if you think differently that's your prerogative, but to dismiss the fact that BR gave the cold shoulder to some players that he obviously didn't favor is foolish.

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      Reply #549: Nov 04, 2015 12:29:26 pm
      Oh I think there absolutely were "Committee" vs "BR" signings. Yes, Brendan had the last say, but read what Ayre is saying...Brendan identified a position he wanted to strengthen and the scouts and "digital information" (computer program anyone?) would find players to fit. Sometimes those players likely were players Brendan pushed for (Joe Allen) and sometimes they weren't (Balotelli, Sakho). If I'm hungry and someone brings me two options for dinner, raw beets or hard boiled eggs....I don't want either of them but if it's either one of those or nothing, then yes, I'd make my "final say" the hard boiled eggs because I hate them a little less than raw beets.

      So while he had the final say, he really didn't want either but took what he was offered because  it was better than nothing (Balotelli).

      That's how I  see it and I'd be surprised if that's not at least from a high level, how things went. I could be wrong, it's happened once before I think.

      I'd be inclined to go along with that as well.

      I was never convinced Rodgers was happy with the Balotelli signing.

      I do wonder whether Ayre's 'words' would match those of Rodgers.
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      Reply #550: Nov 04, 2015 12:44:09 pm
      My argument is that there were absolutely players that BR didn't really want but had no other choice but to sign. And if you think differently that's your prerogative, but to dismiss the fact that BR gave the cold shoulder to some players that he obviously didn't favor is foolish.

      I don't think differently, I don't base this on my belief of what has happened.

      The way it works is all there in black and white with direct quotes easily found from an ex manager, a current manager and the CEO.

      Now provide counter evidence with direct quotes, and evidence (not just what you believe) or your posts are just more of the bluster and bullshit so prevalent in this thread.

      So we bought players, and after seeing them in training, BR picked his options.
      If he picked players that people here think he shouldn't have, so what? Are you telling me that these forumites are privy to everything that happened in training, have access to medical records or access to the masses of information the manager has at his disposal?
      Clubs take a gamble on players all the time, and some work out, others don't.
      Find me a club that has every single transfer work out, never gambles on a player or has complete success in the transfer market.
      I'll give you a hint, there isn't one.

      No doubt in a couple of years if we haven't won a trophy (and Klopp himself has said within 3 years, he would want to), we'll have people saying he lied, or the "committee" is forcing players on him or some other such nonsense.
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      Reply #551: Nov 04, 2015 12:53:00 pm
      I don't think differently, I don't base this on my belief of what has happened.

      The way it works is all there in black and white with direct quotes easily found from an ex manager, a current manager and the CEO.
      Oh, so direct quotes prove it to be true. Do I need to remind you  about the one from Rodgers where he said we'd never sign Balotelli?



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      So we bought players, and after seeing them in training, BR picked his options.
      And he just so happened seemed to pick the players that were touted as "his" signings much more often than the players that weren't. We can see with Sakho right now, he should have been playing, but because it's widely reported that he wasn't a Rodgers favorite that he was having a hard time getting a chance.

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      If he picked players that people here think he shouldn't have, so what? Are you telling me that these forumites are privy to everything that happened in training, have access to medical records or access to the masses of information the manager has at his disposal?

      Show me where I said any of that.


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      Clubs take a gamble on players all the time, and some work out, others don't.
      Find me a club that has every single transfer work out, never gambles on a player or has complete success in the transfer market.
      I'll give you a hint, there isn't one.
      I'd love for you to show me where I said any of that.

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      No doubt in a couple of years if we haven't won a trophy (and Klopp himself has said within 3 years, he would want to), we'll have people saying he lied, or the "committee" is forcing players on him or some other such nonsense.
      No doubt, but that's not what I said is it.

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