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      HUYTON RED
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      Re: Pep is over-rated
      Reply #23: Feb 07, 2016 07:51:38 pm
      He's the dickhead? Is it him or you that calls Rodgers "the fraud"?

      Oh I'm sorry for offending the championship play-off winning genius

      Nah you're the dickhead for being a pedantic c**t with no sense of F***ing humour. Why do you bother becoming a Liverpool fan, you miserable F***ing w**ker.
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      Re: Pep is over-rated
      Reply #24: Feb 07, 2016 08:02:28 pm
      He's the dickhead? Is it him or you that calls Rodgers "the fraud"?

      Well Rodgers is a fraud so what's your point?
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      Re: Pep is over-rated
      Reply #25: Feb 07, 2016 10:18:27 pm
      Well Rodgers is a fraud so what's your point?


      More to the point. What's Rodgers got to do with this topic?...

       :ontopic:
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      Reply #26: Feb 09, 2016 11:10:14 am
      I don't understand the clamoring for Pep.  Yes, he'll win 3 Bundesliga titles, but even I could manage that team in that league to 3 titles.  He still hasn't won what they real want, the CL.  Yes, he won a lot at Barcelona, but so did Enrique (winning the treble in his first year).  Plus, he had Xavi and Iniesta in their primes, which made Spain practically invincible for 3 straight major tournaments.  And obviously, he also had the best player ever in addition to those two, which probably means he had 3 of the 5 best players in the world at the time.  I would argue that he's led a charmed life being with the right club at the right time.  I think a lot of managers could have achieved what he's done with the clubs that he's had.  I might lose a lot of credibility with this, but I'm not sure that BR would not have done better.

      That all being said, he's still a huge upgrade to Pelligrini.

      He arrived at Barca when the club was in disarray, he reinvented Xavi, Iniesta and Messi (just look in their interviews and they all said the same thing, that Pep really changed their role in the team and that helped them alot), brought up the likes of Pique (who was a bench warmer at Utd- bought him for 5 mil), Busquets (while having the guts to get rid of Yaya, who was the best DM in the game at that time, let alone selling Ronaldinho who had a negative influence in the dressing room and Eto'o, also sold Ibrahimovic, because he changed Messi role to a striker), Jordi Alba, Pedro and so on. He changed Barca, improving everything about the club. He even developed a philosphy and style of playing which helped Spain win on International level, they relied on the same gameplan as Barca. You could add to his honours the World Cup and European Championship. Barca was in a poor state, left by Rijkaard. There is a ton of proof where managers failed to win trophies while having great players in their team, just look at Real Madrid or England on international level, to give you some quick responses. Even Inter when Moratti was investing heavily and they waited over 15 years for a title. Don't forget about Martino failing to win a trophy with basically the same team. Even Vilanova struggled with it.

      At Bayern he had so far a terrible curse where almost all of his important players were injured before crucial UCL-games.

      He is not at all overrated, he is one of the best managers in the history of the game.
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      Reply #27: Feb 09, 2016 02:41:53 pm
      He is not at all overrated, he is one of the best managers in the history of the game.

      He's no Bob Paisley like, but he's a good manager nonetheless.

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      Reply #28: Feb 09, 2016 04:07:47 pm
      He is a very good manager but a great, I'll reserve judgement on that one. Personally to be a great I think you have to have built a team up to become champions not inherit the players and tinker a bit as Pep has done. Managers in the great category are Shankly, Ferguson(yes a c**t but also undoubtedly a great manager) and probably Wenger. I don't include Maureen in the list because when for the first time in his career the going got tough he didn't have an answer and got found out plus he is a complete and utter w@nker.
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      Re: Pep is over-rated
      Reply #29: Feb 10, 2016 10:36:13 pm
      Personally I admire the great (Fat) Sam Allerdici, who seamlessly fused football and rugby.
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      Reply #30: Feb 12, 2016 12:47:16 pm
      Would settle for that level of success any day, overrated my arse
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      Reply #31: Feb 12, 2016 09:41:21 pm
      Well we will soon find out how good he is, something odd about City, the should be better than the are
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      Reply #32: Feb 17, 2016 12:24:58 pm
      He will need a lot of money to spend! Squad is aging, players like Silva and Yaya are not the same! He can attract the best however he will be gone within 2-3 years of being at the club. Rather look to the future like we have with Klopp :))
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      Reply #33: Mar 11, 2016 01:35:07 pm
      i saw an interview with Peter Schmeicel who said he didn't want Pep at utd as he brings a boring type of play!!
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      Reply #34: Mar 14, 2016 01:48:15 am
      As George says I think it is forgotten the shambles he walked into at Barca and in a few years he had achieved everything and coined a way of playing that will be talked about 50 years from now.
      I think he'll take a look at this league, conclude its teams are sh*t and build a side that will blow us all away. Like at Bayern his challenge will be what he can do in Europe
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      Reply #35: Mar 14, 2016 02:42:18 am
      i saw an interview with Peter Schmeicel who said he didn't want Pep at utd as he brings a boring type of play!!

      I'd have to agree with him tbh., It is boring, even when he was at Barca they were boring to watch, but I would take possession football over any other styles simply because I'd love us to dominate :)
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      Re: Pep is over-rated
      Reply #36: Mar 14, 2016 05:54:59 am
      i saw an interview with Peter Schmeicel who said he didn't want Pep at utd as he brings a boring type of play!!

      Schmeichel also said Newcastle would be better off with Nigel Pearson rather than Rafa Benitez.

      Funny isn't he? The pure bell.
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      Re: Pep is over-rated
      Reply #37: Mar 14, 2016 07:49:53 am
      I'd have to agree with him tbh., It is boring, even when he was at Barca they were boring to watch, but I would take possession football over any other styles simply because I'd love us to dominate :)


      i know it's a personal choice but boring ?, really ? Never understood that point of you but to use the old cliche it's a game of opinions.
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      Reply #38: Mar 14, 2016 11:14:06 am
      Schmeichel also said Newcastle would be better off with Nigel Pearson rather than Rafa Benitez.

      Funny isn't he? The pure bell.

      To be fair Pearson is a proven winner, what has Rafa ever won ?




      :)

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      Reply #39: May 06, 2016 07:47:31 pm
      Someone is not happy. :)

      Pep Guardiola Says Mole Damaging Bayern Munich

      Bayern Munich manager Pep Guardiola thinks leaks from the dressing room have hampered his spell at the club, with rumours swirling about tension between the coach and his medical staff.

      Guardiola will leave the German champions after three years at the end of the campaign, with Manchester City and the Premier League next up for him.

      According to Bild (h/t the Press Association, via the Guardian), there have been some heated exchanges between himself and the physiotherapists behind the scenes.

      When quizzed about these alleged disagreements, Guardiola inferred there is a mole in his camp feeding stories to the media:

      "Usually what happens inside the dressing room remains inside the dressing room. Whoever has spoken has done it to hit me. But I’m not here next season anyway so it’s not my problem, but Bayern’s. It’s happened plenty of times over these past three years.

      It’s normal for me to talk to my players and staff and give them my opinion, but there are people here who are talking because they want to hurt me. Maybe this person will still be here next season and clearly they haven’t realised that they are not damaging me, but the club and the team. I won’t be here, so it’s the club’s problem."

      The report from Bild stated Guardiola “nearly came to blows with his physios” recently due to their inability to get players fit quick enough.

      One of his main bugbears is said to be centred on the fact Atletico Madrid, who knocked his team out in the UEFA Champions League semi-final on Tuesday, were able to get star centre-back Diego Godin fit enough for the second leg of the tie, while Bayern winger Arjen Robben continues to suffer with niggling injury issues.

      Sport Witness, commenting on the story from Bild, added some background to the report, noting how the departure of Dr Hans-Wilhelm Muller-Wohlfahrt and three members of his staff last year due to a row has influenced matters:

      Guardiola was speaking on Friday ahead of Bayern’s clash with Ingolstadt, a match in which they can secure the title—the third in as many years since the former Barcelona man joined—with three points.

      While that’s an impressive haul, many have written off Guardiola’s stint at the club as a failure due to his inability to secure the Champions League. That also annoyed the coach.

      “I’ve done my best here,” he said. “But if you say that I had to win the Champions League, then I have failed. Go ahead and write that I have failed.”

      I'm really curious how he will manage City.
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      Reply #40: May 06, 2016 08:14:44 pm
      Someone is not happy. :)

      Pep Guardiola Says Mole Damaging Bayern Munich

      Bayern Munich manager Pep Guardiola thinks leaks from the dressing room have hampered his spell at the club, with rumours swirling about tension between the coach and his medical staff.

      Guardiola will leave the German champions after three years at the end of the campaign, with Manchester City and the Premier League next up for him.

      According to Bild (h/t the Press Association, via the Guardian), there have been some heated exchanges between himself and the physiotherapists behind the scenes.

      When quizzed about these alleged disagreements, Guardiola inferred there is a mole in his camp feeding stories to the media:

      "Usually what happens inside the dressing room remains inside the dressing room. Whoever has spoken has done it to hit me. But I’m not here next season anyway so it’s not my problem, but Bayern’s. It’s happened plenty of times over these past three years.

      It’s normal for me to talk to my players and staff and give them my opinion, but there are people here who are talking because they want to hurt me. Maybe this person will still be here next season and clearly they haven’t realised that they are not damaging me, but the club and the team. I won’t be here, so it’s the club’s problem."

      The report from Bild stated Guardiola “nearly came to blows with his physios” recently due to their inability to get players fit quick enough.

      One of his main bugbears is said to be centred on the fact Atletico Madrid, who knocked his team out in the UEFA Champions League semi-final on Tuesday, were able to get star centre-back Diego Godin fit enough for the second leg of the tie, while Bayern winger Arjen Robben continues to suffer with niggling injury issues.

      Sport Witness, commenting on the story from Bild, added some background to the report, noting how the departure of Dr Hans-Wilhelm Muller-Wohlfahrt and three members of his staff last year due to a row has influenced matters:

      Guardiola was speaking on Friday ahead of Bayern’s clash with Ingolstadt, a match in which they can secure the title—the third in as many years since the former Barcelona man joined—with three points.

      While that’s an impressive haul, many have written off Guardiola’s stint at the club as a failure due to his inability to secure the Champions League. That also annoyed the coach.

      “I’ve done my best here,” he said. “But if you say that I had to win the Champions League, then I have failed. Go ahead and write that I have failed.”

      I'm really curious how he will manage City.

      Guardiola, you've failed! :)
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      Reply #41: May 06, 2016 08:37:52 pm
      Pep is not over-rated. Yes, he had top quality players but he sure do know how to use his tools when it comes to dominating s match in line with his philosophy. You only lay a champions league target on a proven quality coach even if he ends up not meeting it.
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      Re: Pep is over-rated
      Reply #42: May 06, 2016 08:41:18 pm
      Any manager (or player) who hasn't done it in the EPL is somewhat overrated in my eyes.

      Pep is gonna struggle at city at least for one season. I still think he's gonna get them top 4 though.
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      Reply #43: May 06, 2016 08:41:47 pm
      Someone is not happy. :)

      Pep Guardiola Says Mole Damaging Bayern Munich

      Bayern Munich manager Pep Guardiola thinks leaks from the dressing room have hampered his spell at the club, with rumours swirling about tension between the coach and his medical staff.

      Guardiola will leave the German champions after three years at the end of the campaign, with Manchester City and the Premier League next up for him.

      According to Bild (h/t the Press Association, via the Guardian), there have been some heated exchanges between himself and the physiotherapists behind the scenes.

      When quizzed about these alleged disagreements, Guardiola inferred there is a mole in his camp feeding stories to the media:

      "Usually what happens inside the dressing room remains inside the dressing room. Whoever has spoken has done it to hit me. But I’m not here next season anyway so it’s not my problem, but Bayern’s. It’s happened plenty of times over these past three years.

      It’s normal for me to talk to my players and staff and give them my opinion, but there are people here who are talking because they want to hurt me. Maybe this person will still be here next season and clearly they haven’t realised that they are not damaging me, but the club and the team. I won’t be here, so it’s the club’s problem."

      The report from Bild stated Guardiola “nearly came to blows with his physios” recently due to their inability to get players fit quick enough.

      One of his main bugbears is said to be centred on the fact Atletico Madrid, who knocked his team out in the UEFA Champions League semi-final on Tuesday, were able to get star centre-back Diego Godin fit enough for the second leg of the tie, while Bayern winger Arjen Robben continues to suffer with niggling injury issues.

      Sport Witness, commenting on the story from Bild, added some background to the report, noting how the departure of Dr Hans-Wilhelm Muller-Wohlfahrt and three members of his staff last year due to a row has influenced matters:

      Guardiola was speaking on Friday ahead of Bayern’s clash with Ingolstadt, a match in which they can secure the title—the third in as many years since the former Barcelona man joined—with three points.

      While that’s an impressive haul, many have written off Guardiola’s stint at the club as a failure due to his inability to secure the Champions League. That also annoyed the coach.

      “I’ve done my best here,” he said. “But if you say that I had to win the Champions League, then I have failed. Go ahead and write that I have failed.”

      I'm really curious how he will manage City.

      Said it before but the man is a Grade A C*NT. That moment last year where he sarcastically applauded a long serving Bayern doctor for an on field injury and then proceeded to have him sacked confirmed to me what a nasty little piece of work this man is. Very successful manager but a very very sad man who takes life football too seriously. I hope Klopp shafts him all over the place.
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      Re: Pep is over-rated
      Reply #44: May 06, 2016 08:59:04 pm
      Said it before but the man is a Grade A C*NT. That moment last year where he sarcastically applauded a long serving Bayern doctor for an on field injury and then proceeded to have him sacked confirmed to me what a nasty little piece of work this man is. Very successful manager but a very very sad man who takes life football too seriously. I hope Klopp shafts him all over the place.


      I don't like how he deals with some of his players infront of the crowd either. Kimmich had great game against Dortmund in a 0-0 draw a month or so ago, he was arguably the best player on the bench yet Guardiola went F***ing mental at him.
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      Re: Pep is over-rated
      Reply #45: May 06, 2016 09:06:03 pm
      Said it before but the man is a Grade A C*NT. That moment last year where he sarcastically applauded a long serving Bayern doctor for an on field injury and then proceeded to have him sacked confirmed to me what a nasty little piece of work this man is. Very successful manager but a very very sad man who takes life football too seriously. I hope Klopp shafts him all over the place.

      Yes, and he blamed medical staff for Porto away loss last year.  :roll:

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