Are there any 'TOP TOP' managers Left?

After the mancs sack Van Gaal and get Jose. (presumably)

and After Citeh get Pep.

If there is another round of sackings at the top clubs in football. It seems theres going to be Slim pickings for the so called big teams if they are in need of replacements.

After Simone, who is out there with real pedigree, experience and trophies who hasnt been tried multiple times and sacked?

Will footballs managerial merry-go-round come back to bite itself ?

Rafa's currently out of work.

For me the game has changed significantly. The resources have all ended up in the hands of a few clubs which win everything. The manager is more or less a PR exercise. Mourinho, Ancellotti, Pep they all grab press but do they make a difference to these top teams really.

Rafa's currently out of work.

But Rafa has already done the rounds at top clubs. He's one of the established names at this point.

But when he was coming out of Valencia he was an up & coming manager with Trophies behind him.

There aren't many 2004 Rafa equivalents in football today. Aside from Simone, whos the new kid on the block?

But Rafa has already done the rounds at top clubs. He's one of the established names at this point.

But when he was coming out of Valencia he was an up & coming manager with Trophies behind him.

There aren't many 2004 Rafa equivalents in football today. Aside from Simone, whos the new kid on the block?

Ah right, my mistake.

Unai Emery at Sevilla is a good shout. I really rate Mauricio Pochettino as well, but he'll need to win a trophy to get more attention.

Ah right, my mistake.

Unai Emery at Sevilla is a good shout. I really rate Mauricio Pochettino as well, but he'll need to win a trophy to get more attention.

Forgot about Emery.

I just found the strangest site
http://www.coachworldranking.com/ranking-coaches.aspx

Ancelotti is still free.

Ancelotti is still free.

Announced as Bayern manager after Pep.

Announced as Bayern manager after Pep.

Looks like I missed that one.

I think Simeone will go to Chelsea.

Conte is a very good manager who i think will leave Italy after the Euros.

Also Frank de Boer and Unai Emery are very good too.

Bielsa.

Sampaoli ??

Oh and Gary Neville in a week or two

Brendan still needs a job

Ancelotti is still free.

Do you have trouble understanding the written word?

But Rafa has already done the rounds at top clubs. He's one of the established names at this point.

But when he was coming out of Valencia he was an up & coming manager with Trophies behind him.

There aren't many 2004 Rafa equivalents in football today. Aside from Simone, whos the new kid on the block?

Do you have trouble understanding the written word?

Do you act like a c**t in real life as well?

Not surprising you get banned so regularly on here.

I think the next two seasons will define Klopp as a top top manager!

In my opinion, the very best managers in the game currently are Guardiola, Mourinho, Klopp, Simeone, and Ancelotti.

Isn't Vizzy Montella doing alright? He was doing well at Fiorientina before they were morons and sacked him.

I'd also expect to see Aitor Karanka and Frank De Bour at 'bigger' clubs soon. Was also thinking about people like Jürgen Low who have managing international teams for years that could be brought into the club scene.

Pochettino could be a top top manager if he works on his English a little.

For me the game has changed significantly. The resources have all ended up in the hands of a few clubs which win everything. The manager is more or less a PR exercise. Mourinho, Ancellotti, Pep they all grab press but do they make a difference to these top teams really.

Yes they do. Obviously.

Yes they do. Obviously.

Have they ever really had to use managerial acumen or just simply resort to spending more money,

Have they ever really had to use managerial acumen or just simply resort to spending more money,

Spending the money doesn't always work though, neither does having the players. You still need to know how to set up your team, how to stop opponents, what the other teams are going to do, how to get the best out of your players and play to their strengths.

Pochettino could be a top top manager if he works on his English a little.

Whats his English got to do with it?

Isn't Vizzy Montella doing alright? He was doing well at Fiorientina before they were morons and sacked him.

I'd also expect to see Aitor Karanka and Frank De Bour at 'bigger' clubs soon. Was also thinking about people like Jürgen Low who have managing international teams for years that could be brought into the club scene.

I don't know about you Mags but I've always seen Low as a facilitator of what has happened in German football as opposed to chief engineer of the whole business. I'm not sure whether that view is just or unjust. I think he's almost seen in an Aime Jacquet type light - someone who was part of a process where strategy and success was built above and beyond the manager's office. I think that's essentially what international management and indeed international football boils down to - the system supersedes any individual unlike as opposed to the more contained environment at club level. Because of that successful international managers never quite get the acclamation compared to their club managing counterparts.

Rafa's currently out of work.

Have to give Rafa  credit today.

He  has decided to drop with his team into the second tier and accept a challenge to bring them back up.
Perhaps the dysfunctional bar codes have seen the error of their ways.

Maximum Respect Rafa  .

Top Top Manager to do that !

Would love to see Rafa & Simeone in the PL alongside,Klopp,Guardiola,Wenger,Jose & that Conte fat Sam

Would love to see Rafa & Simeone in the PL alongside,Klopp,Guardiola,Wenger,Jose & that Conte fat Sam

Think my 2nd choice for LFC ....  Simeone ....... would give the PL a full house.
Be watching him on the weekend for Atletico .

OK SO

Now

Manure - Jose
City - Pep
Arsenal - Wenger
Spurs - pochettino
Us - Klopp
Everton - Koeman

if any of those teams sack their manager because things went wrong. Outside of Simone, Zidane. Who would be hired that would bring excitment to fans?
Whos a credible managerial candidate ABOVE these guys??

OK SO

Now

Manure - Jose
City - Pep
Arsenal - Wenger
Spurs - pochettino
Us - Klopp
Everton - Koeman

if any of those teams sack their manager because things went wrong. Outside of Simone, Zidane. Who would be hired that would bring excitment to fans?
Whos a credible managerial candidate ABOVE these guys??

Wouldn't include Koeman above managers like Ancelotti, Conte or Rafa. Ranieri...

Wouldn't include Koeman above managers like Ancelotti, Conte or Rafa. Ranieri...

i dont see united , city, or arsenal going after rafa.

at this point ancelotti seems like a bit of a journeyman no? Actually forgot about Conte

i dont see united , city, or arsenal going after rafa.

at this point ancelotti seems like a bit of a journeyman no? Actually forgot about Conte

I don't think any of them would be looking to change managers any time soon except maybe Arsenal if they don't win something soon.

Ancelotti a journeyman? Mate, I wouldn't mind being a journeyman with his CV!

When did 'top top' become a thing?

Wasn't it when Ferguson used it to insult Gerrard?

Always think it's irritating when Liverpool fans use an expression that was designed to insult our best player of the last thirty years.

Wow. people don't know how to discuss a topic at hand

OK SO

Now

Manure - Jose
City - Pep
Arsenal - Wenger
Spurs - pochettino
Us - Klopp
Everton - Koeman

if any of those teams sack their manager because things went wrong. Outside of Simone, Zidane. Who would be hired that would bring excitment to fans?

Thing about Zidanes and Guardiola is they've not really built a team. They've come into teams already succesful and continued it.

Doubt either would have won the league with Leicester.

Wow. people don't know how to discuss a topic at hand

Well your OP is terrible and the title is a nod to Ferguson's twattery... what did you expect?

The level of managers in the Premiership is at an all time high.  Apart from Ancelloti and Simone we've got the lot.  Even the Championship have a manager that has a few European winning medals  a CV glittered with medals.  The standard here is absolutely massive.

Well your OP is terrible and the title is a nod to Ferguson's twattery... what did you expect?

your lack of comprehension skills has nothing to do with the OP.

your lack of comprehension skills has nothing to do with the OP.

Sound mate.

You've a boss topic here.

interesting, King Kenny and JD seem to understand the question I'm asking. Yet you seem to struggle?

interesting, King Kenny and JD seem to understand the question I'm asking. Yet you seem to struggle?

I understand your post, I just think it's badly written and I can't stand this 'top top' Ferguson expression.

I understand your post, I just think it's badly written and I can't stand this 'top top' Ferguson expression.

Well please feel free to NOT comment on a post you don't like on a public forum with literally thousands of other posts you can choose to comment on or ignore.

Thanks.

Well please feel free to NOT comment on a post you don't like on a public forum with literally thousands of other posts you can choose to comment on or ignore.

Thanks.

It is a tw*t of a expression.

I think it was a daft thing to say.  And when it came out nobody agreed with him outside utd fans, great players came out to prove Gerrard was a great player.  Even the likes of Ziza got involved. When someone gets caught being bitter and daft sometimes using that expression is indirectly taking the piss out of him instead of going on with his expression. 

Anyways after retiring he in my opinion made the biggest contribution of flushing utd down the toilet.  So for that I will say Moyes was a top top manager to push them down the man hole. 

I think money has skewed everything. Only a few teams can win the CL now. I think Leicester winning is great but its not the norm; its a statistical anomaly. Managers of the Madrid's and Bayern's etc are they great tactically? do they need to be. Personally I don't believe a manager like Ancellotti has innovated or changed the game. He has just been at the big end of town, winning with teams who will win anyway. He inevitably gets sacked because he doesn't plan for the future, he takes it easy on players. However, he would argue his job is to win and if he lets the players relax then they can do their job. He might also argue that the clubs who hire him have large turnovers in staff and so building a dynasty isn't part of the plan for a coach, who will not last more than 2-3 years irrespective.

You could argue Guardiola and Mourinho fit into this category. Although Guardiola innovated in Barcelona, was that him or was he the product of Cruyff's dream. Look at Guardiola, Zidane and Enrique all 3 have won the CL with either Barca or Real  in their first season in charge. Barca and Real have won 5 of the last 8 CL's. What do the managers do now anyway? I like the way Simeone has created an attitude at Atletico and can compete but even at their peak they haven't won the CL and won 1 league. I suppose the question is how can you tell if someones a top manager without it just reverting to the money argument.

Oh Rafa and Klopp are top managers!

I think it was a daft thing to say.  And when it came out nobody agreed with him outside utd fans

It's not just Ferguson who used the phrase, it's become the phrase of the very thick footballer.

Merson, Dowie and Redknapp are just three of the dopes I've heard use it.

The complete phrase with Gerrard in it or just the top top thing?