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      FSG Apologise & Revise 16/17; 17/18 Ticket Pricing
      Feb 10, 2016 07:02:26 pm
      https://twitter.com/pjoyceexpress/status/697495304216641536

      https://twitter.com/pjoyceexpress/status/697495846376628224

      Andy Hunter

      Liverpool’s owners, Fenway Sports Group, have performed a major U-turn over their planned ticket price rises and issued a public apology to supporters who walked out of Saturday’s game against Sunderland.


      Liverpool owners’ open letter to supporters over ticket price proposals

      The compromise that manager Jürgen Klopp had called for has resulted in general admission prices being frozen at 2015-16 levels for the next two seasons, the removal of game categorisations and the number of £9 tickets being increased to 10,000 across a Premier League campaign.

      In an open letter to the club’s fans, principal owner John W Henry, chairman Tom Werner and FSG president Mike Gordon concede “part of the ticketing plan we got wrong” and that it was the strength of opposition to their proposals, with 10,000 fans leaving in the 77th minute of Saturday’s match, that forced the rethink.

      The highly-controversial plans for a £77 match ticket in the new, redeveloped Main Stand and season tickets of £1,029 have been scrapped. Instead, they will remain at £59 and £869 respectively.

      FSG are to freeze their revenue streams from general admission tickets for the 2016-17 and 2017-18 seasons rather than seek to raise income once Anfield’s capacity rise to 54,000 to £39m per season.
      http://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/feb/10/liverpool-back-down-ticket-prices-77


      The statement in full from FSG:

      FSG Statement Regarding Ticket Prices
      Dear Liverpool Supporters:

      It has been a tumultuous week. On behalf of everyone at Fenway Sports Group and Liverpool Football Club we would like to apologize for the distress caused by our ticket pricing plan for the 2016/17 season.

      The three of us have been particularly troubled by the perception that we don’t care about our supporters, that we are greedy, and that we are attempting to extract personal profits at the club’s expense. Quite the opposite is true.

      From our first days as owners we have understood that serving as custodians of this incredible institution is a distinct privilege and as such, we have been driven solely by the desire to return LFC to the pinnacle of football.

      In the world of modern football, growing the club in a sustainable way is essential to realizing this objective.

      To that end, we have never taken a single penny out of the football club. Instead we have injected vast sums of our own money to improve the playing squad and modernize LFC’s infrastructure — exemplified by the £120 million advance from FSG to build the new Main Stand.

      This massive undertaking was made in order to provide more supporters access to Anfield and also to produce additional revenue to help us compete financially with clubs that have greater resources.

      When it opens in August this year the stand will accomplish those goals thereby fulfilling a promise we made upon acquiring LFC in 2010.

      We were strongly engaged in the process to develop the ticketing plan for 2016/2017. We met directly with representatives of LFC’s Supporters’ Committee and along with LFC management, wholeheartedly agreed with major concerns raised, notably: access for local and young supporters; engagement and access to Anfield for local children; access to Premier League matches for those in Liverpool most challenged by affordability.

      We believe the plan successfully addressed these concerns and are disappointed that these elements have been either lost or, worse, characterized as cynical attempts to mask profiteering in the plan as a whole. Rather, we prefer to look at them as the parts of the ticketing plan we got right.

      On the other hand, part of the ticketing plan we got wrong.

      In addition to the other elements of the plan we proposed price increases on a number of tickets. These pricing actions generated growth in General Admission ticketing revenue on a like for like basis exclusive of revenue from newly added GA seats.

      We believed by delivering a vastly improved seat offering in what will be the newest stand in English football, concentrating the price increases on those tickets typically purchased by fans least sensitive to affordability, and for LFC to begin repaying the £120million advance from FSG for the new Main Stand that these increases were supportable even in the context of growth in revenues from the new Premier League TV deal.

      However, the widespread opposition to this element of the plan has made it clear that we were mistaken.

      A great many of you have objected strongly to the £77 price level of our most expensive GA seats and expressed a clear expectation that the club should forego any increased revenue from raising prices on GA tickets in the current environment.

      Message received.

      After an intense period of consultation with LFC management we have decided to make major revisions to our ticketing structure for 2016/17:

      • Removal of game categorisation – regardless of the opposition fans will pay the same price for matchday tickets.

      • The pricing of tickets will be readjusted to result in zero revenue growth from GA ticketing on a like for like basis.

      • Though individual ticket prices may move marginally from this season, we are freezing our 2016/17 GA ticket revenue at the 2015/16 level exclusive of newly added seats in the new Main Stand.

      • The price of our highest General Admission ticket will be frozen at the 2015/16 level - £59.

      • The price of our highest Season Ticket will be frozen at the 2015/16 level - £869. The lowest price reducing a further £25 from the 2015/16 level to £685, as well as all other tiers being frozen or reduced.

      • £9 GA seats will be offered for each and every Premier League match, an allocation of more than 10,000 tickets across the season.
      « Last Edit: Feb 10, 2016 07:49:35 pm by Reslivo »
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      Reply #1: Feb 10, 2016 07:02:39 pm
      News breaking of a price freeze for next two seasons on all tickets, no game categorisations and the £9 tickets have increased to 10,000 seats over the course of the season!

      Well done reds!!
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      Reply #2: Feb 10, 2016 07:04:28 pm

      News breaking of a price freeze for next two seasons on all tickets, no game categorisations and the £9 tickets have increased to 10,000 seats over the course of the season!

      Well done reds!!

      Get the F**k in and well done to all those who walked!!

      To those who said it was a waste of time and stayed in their seats -  :action-smiley-055:

      Oh and "Liverpool - a socialist bastion where injustice is fought by all for the benefit of everyone."
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      Reply #3: Feb 10, 2016 07:05:33 pm
      Posted this in FSG..sorry for double.

      It was interesting listening to the TAW guys talking to the SoS, SpionKop and other group leaders regarding what is happening with the owners. These guys have been meeting with the club for 13 months regarding ticket prices and trying to head off what happened this passed weekend.

      General consensus from the three major groups was that FSG were no H&G not by a long shot; however there is a deep deep what they believe cultural divide that separates the two parties...ownership/supporters.

      Seemed from the conversation it was like humans talking to martians...at one point the Spion Kop guy had talked to Gordon a few weeks ago and spoke about a trend to over time lower prices across the board...Gordon just looked at him with a blank face as responded.."why on earth would we ever do that?"

      Coming from the three groups representatives it is obvious that those people from the club that the owners count on to advise them (ie..the chapel street crowd) have really not been advising but moreso just paying lip service and not explaining how serious the issues are with Boston. They mentioned how the walkout totally threw the owners off and that the so called advisers are probably being called to the carpet on this.

      In the end who knows...as they said PL owners are a great big gentleman's club and it might take a league wide protest to make this happen for all clubs just not LFC.
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      Reply #4: Feb 10, 2016 07:05:51 pm
      Andy Hunter

      Liverpool’s owners, Fenway Sports Group, have performed a major U-turn over their planned ticket price rises and issued a public apology to supporters who walked out of Saturday’s game against Sunderland.


      Liverpool owners’ open letter to supporters over ticket price proposals

      The compromise that manager Jürgen Klopp had called for has resulted in general admission prices being frozen at 2015-16 levels for the next two seasons, the removal of game categorisations and the number of £9 tickets being increased to 10,000 across a Premier League campaign.

      In an open letter to the club’s fans, principal owner John W Henry, chairman Tom Werner and FSG president Mike Gordon concede “part of the ticketing plan we got wrong” and that it was the strength of opposition to their proposals, with 10,000 fans leaving in the 77th minute of Saturday’s match, that forced the rethink.

      The highly-controversial plans for a £77 match ticket in the new, redeveloped Main Stand and season tickets of £1,029 have been scrapped. Instead, they will remain at £59 and £869 respectively.

      FSG are to freeze their revenue streams from general admission tickets for the 2016-17 and 2017-18 seasons rather than seek to raise income once Anfield’s capacity rise to 54,000 to £39m per season.
      http://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/feb/10/liverpool-back-down-ticket-prices-77
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      Reply #5: Feb 10, 2016 07:06:43 pm
      Get the f**k in and well done to all those who walked!!

      To those who said it was a waste of time and stayed in their seats -  :action-smiley-055:

      The SoS fellas were saying if all they did was freeze prices for a season or two it was nothing more than a stall..they need to start lowering prices across the board over 5-7 years for them to be happy.
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      Reply #6: Feb 10, 2016 07:06:48 pm
      Wow! Fan power has worked. Big president set now. Well done to those that walked out.  :clap:
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      Reply #7: Feb 10, 2016 07:10:12 pm
      The SoS fellas were saying if all they did was freeze prices for a season or two it was nothing more than a stall..they need to start lowering prices across the board over 5-7 years for them to be happy.

      It'll come mate if the numbers don't add up, which I'm sure they're already calculating. 

      We need our brothers and sisters from Clubs across the land to realise they too can make a difference so the Corporate greed is kept at bay throughout football.
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      Reply #8: Feb 10, 2016 07:11:48 pm
      Outstanding news as a result of the efforts of all those that took part. Well done Redmen!
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      Reply #9: Feb 10, 2016 07:15:05 pm
      I bet Ian Ayre is sat very uncomfortably after his 'look at the facts' spiel.

      I've just read the open letter from Henry & Co and it couldn't be more different to Ayres message.
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      Reply #10: Feb 10, 2016 07:15:07 pm
      Posted this in FSG..sorry for double.

      It was interesting listening to the TAW guys talking to the SoS, SpionKop and other group leaders regarding what is happening with the owners. These guys have been meeting with the club for 13 months regarding ticket prices and trying to head off what happened this passed weekend.

      General consensus from the three major groups was that FSG were no H&G not by a long shot; however there is a deep deep what they believe cultural divide that separates the two parties...ownership/supporters.

      Seemed from the conversation it was like humans talking to martians...at one point the Spion Kop guy had talked to Gordon a few weeks ago and spoke about a trend to over time lower prices across the board...Gordon just looked at him with a blank face as responded.."why on earth would we ever do that?"

      Coming from the three groups representatives it is obvious that those people from the club that the owners count on to advise them (ie..the chapel street crowd) have really not been advising but moreso just paying lip service and not explaining how serious the issues are with Boston. They mentioned how the walkout totally threw the owners off and that the so called advisers are probably being called to the carpet on this.

      In the end who knows...as they said PL owners are a great big gentleman's club and it might take a league wide protest to make this happen for all clubs just not LFC.

      Exactly what I've been posting in here since the walkout mate. 

      It's been one big clusterfuck in the sense that they believed it would be accepted.  Misjudging your Customer base, in such spectacular fashion is not what a good CEO should do.
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      Reply #11: Feb 10, 2016 07:16:00 pm
      Damage limitation.

      What they're hoping is that this will prevent further walkouts whilst still making significant income.

      I'm not sure if this is good or bad at the moment. What happened to "Twenty's plenty"?
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      Reply #12: Feb 10, 2016 07:16:37 pm
      I bet Ian Ayre is sat very uncomfortably after his 'look at the facts' spiel.

      I've just read the open letter from Henry & Co and it couldn't be more different to Ayres message.

      My thinking as well mate. Makes Ayre look a bit of a tw*t... still that's nothing new for Ian.
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      Reply #13: Feb 10, 2016 07:17:08 pm
      I bet Ian Ayre is sat very uncomfortably after his 'look at the facts' spiel.

      I've just read the open letter from Henry & Co and it couldn't be more different to Ayres message.

      I think his statement/interview on Friday probably added half the numbers to those who walked mate.  You don't treat Scousers like fools and expect it to go unnoticed  ;D
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      Reply #14: Feb 10, 2016 07:20:17 pm
      Exactly what I've been posting in here since the walkout mate. 

      It's been one big clusterfuck in the sense that they believed it would be accepted.  Misjudging your Customer base, in such spectacular fashion is not what a good CEO should do.

      I understand the cultural thing they spoke of....I mean here ticket prices are crazy for all major sports but you would never see any type of campaign or protest...basically here if you can't afford it then either work harder and make more money or don't go...that is the culture here and its the way its always been.

      The issue is that unless FSG want to go through this all the time they better get advisers that are going to give them the straight scoop and not just lip service.
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      Reply #15: Feb 10, 2016 07:24:47 pm
      Credit to the owners for holding their hands up and saying 'we f***d this up, and here is the new plan instead'

      Bit like the honesty Klopp gives us as well as manager. Will be curious as to how this is spun by the media, but its certainly a win for the fans
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      Reply #16: Feb 10, 2016 07:28:50 pm
      So proud of the supporters for this! :scarf:
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      Reply #17: Feb 10, 2016 07:31:22 pm
      Incredible. I was sceptical about how much the protest would impact as I was sure corporate greed in some way or another would win out but I've been proved wrong. An incredible effort by all. Renewed my faith in the power of protest. It could only be Liverpool supporters who could do that. I stand and salute you all!

      Could it follow suit nationwide?
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      Reply #18: Feb 10, 2016 07:32:27 pm
      It's a start, although I'm sure that even the Prime Minister of this country chalking the rise up to pure greed and the entire thing becoming wholly politicised had nothing to do with it. But cynicism aside, like I said, it's a start. Now we need to see ticket pricing going the opposite way to TV revenue because any rebuilding of Liverpool as a powerhouse starts with the atmosphere at Anfield. Hopefully they'll take these concerns more seriously this time.
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      Reply #19: Feb 10, 2016 07:32:55 pm
      I understand the cultural thing they spoke of....I mean here ticket prices are crazy for all major sports but you would never see any type of campaign or protest...basically here if you can't afford it then either work harder and make more money or don't go...that is the culture here and its the way its always been.

      The issue is that unless FSG want to go through this all the time they better get advisers that are going to give them the straight scoop and not just lip service.

      Precisely AZ. 

      Yes men are only any good if you're not interested in hearing the reality of the decisions.

      As for the cultural thing - they should have done their due diligence properly before they bought us then because Liverpool people will never accept injustice or having their beloved Club taken from the.

      Hillsborough and our outing of H&G should have shown them that.
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      Reply #20: Feb 10, 2016 07:38:01 pm
      the idiot known as Mathew syed from the Times suggests that if you don't like the price you don't have to go its supply and demand don't you know.
      On that basis why would anyone got to Villa at the moment as they are doomed for the drop yet 30,000 supporters go every home game even though they don't have to I wonder how he would explain that. This is part of the problem football has been taken over by smart arse wealthy people who haven't a clue why people go to the game. Why would anyone go to watch Tranmere or Chester or Wrexham because it means so much to them and its a part of who they are part of their indentity and that matters.
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      Reply #21: Feb 10, 2016 07:38:53 pm
      Part of clubs official announcement.
      "Message received.

      After an intense period of consultation with LFC management we have decided to make major revisions to our ticketing structure for 2016-17:

      Removal of game categorisation – regardless of the opposition fans will pay the same price for matchday tickets.
      The pricing of tickets will be readjusted to result in zero revenue growth from GA ticketing on a like-for-like basis.
      Though individual ticket prices may move marginally from this season, we are freezing our 2016-17 GA ticket revenue at the 2015-16 level exclusive of newly-added seats in the new Main Stand.
      The price of our highest general admission ticket will be frozen at the 2015-16 level - £59.
      The price of our highest season ticket will be frozen at the 2015-16 level - £869. The lowest price reducing a further £25 from the 2015-16 level to £685, as well as all other tiers being frozen or reduced.
      £9 GA seats will be offered for each and every Premier League match, an allocation of more than 10,000 tickets across the season
      ."

      Wow,is this it guys,could we say that yours walkout was successful?
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      Reply #22: Feb 10, 2016 07:41:29 pm
      I'd say that's 1-0 to the supporters, but it's early doors yet, like FSF, I stand and salute all those who took part, have to agree to for the hats off to the owners, there isn't a cat in hells chance Herpes & Gonhorrea would have admitted they fu**ed up !




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