Very outside chance of Champions League in 16-17. Question is...

Probably the Europa League and i'd rather do it that way given we'd get a trophy as well.

Could still do both if we hit the right form. Having Divock and Danny back gives us a big boost.

Going to be a big ask. If we played like Wednesday in most games and most teams played like City it would certainly be on but you just know there are more games to come when the tempo not high and Pulis / Pardew teams wont play on floor and allow this and just get it from A to B as quick as possible not allowing a press

Exactly right.

Our team is set up to beat teams that play like City (and Southampton). We beat them again.

The ones who are creaming their pants the hardest are those who somehow convinced themselves it would be a "miracle" if we had beaten them at Wembley -mainly to deflect any criticism of Klopp. Let's be clear - the "we don't have enough quality to beat City" excuse has been shown up for what it is. We had the capability - we just screwed up. The truth sometimes hurts but there you go.

We still need to prove we can beat all the other types of teams that we have struggled with if we want to progress in either competition.

Europa league. Arsenal and City will do enough to stay in the top four (it wouldn't surprise me if City ended up winning the league). We need a good end to the season though if we want to have an easier time of convincing players like Gotze to join us.

Liverpool will keep title chances alive if there is a draw in todays London derby.

Europa league. Arsenal and City will do enough to stay in the top four (it wouldn't surprise me if City ended up winning the league). We need a good end to the season though if we want to have an easier time of convincing players like Gotze to join us.

It might surprise you but it certainly would me if Citeh win the league, for that to happen Leicester, Spurs and the gooners all have to choke whilst Citeh go on an unbeaten run, it's not going to happen. I still reckon it's Arsenal's to lose.

The Europa League is more achievable.

I don't just see it as a gateway to the Champions League, though. I see it as yet another European trophy for us, which we've needed since 2007.

Liverpool will keep title chances alive if there is a draw in todays London derby.

Wat.

The Europa League is more achievable.

I don't just see it as a gateway to the Champions League, though. I see it as yet another European trophy for us, which we've needed since 2007.

Exactly. Both are long shots at the moment, but we are playing catch up in the league whereas we are on level ground with all teams left in Europa.  Also, the EL is more than just a route back to the CL -- it's a trophy for the cabinet!!!   Finally, it's extremely difficult to beat any team 3x over a single season, so we should  (in theory) be due a result against the Scum.  Get past them and we're into the quarterfinals.

All in for the EL!!

Personally I don't think we have a chance in any scenario.

But which route Id like best? it's has to be via the winning of the Europa League.

4th is nothing.

Winning the Europa League means we WIN a trophy, and we also knock out the scum.

No contest.

Arsenal losing, win our 2 games in hand on them and we could potentially go within just 5 points off them also.

They have West Ham, Everton and City away on the run-in, all very tough games for a team still in the CL and apparently collapsing.

Certainly improves our chances if Spurs can beat them today.

Arsenal losing, win our 2 games in hand on them and we could potentially go within just 5 points off them also.

They have West Ham, Everton and City away on the run-in, all very tough games for a team still in the CL and apparently collapsing.

Certainly improves our chances if Spurs can beat them today.

Cmon Spuds !!

Arsenal losing, win our 2 games in hand on them and we could potentially go within just 5 points off them also.

They have West Ham, Everton and City away on the run-in, all very tough games for a team still in the CL and apparently collapsing.

Certainly improves our chances if Spurs can beat them today.

2-2 now but Arsenal have had a player sent off.

2-2 now but Arsenal have had a player sent off.

Yeah mate it was when Arsenal were 1-0 up, thought they'd collapsed can't believe Spuds let them back in it, great for Leicester.

Arsenal nearly winning it at the death too.

That point might make a massive difference, we're 11 goals behind on GD. Considering they'd have to lose 2 to let us sneak in with a chance you can look at that as effectively 9 and us winning our 2 in hand meaning 7 goals to make up in the other games or of course more than 1 in any of these 2 games in hand.

Need to tonk someone 4 or 5 and we'd be in with a shout of overhauling that, not a big shout of course but with Studge coming back and Origi looking better all the time I'm not abandoning hope, belief yes we need a F***ing miracle but we have Robbie to call on in a crisis.

At least we're now chasing 2 potential teams to slip up.

Would expect City to rip Villa a new one today, so makes tomorrow a must win to not fall further behind 4th placed side.

Would expect City to rip Villa a new one today, so makes tomorrow a must win to not fall further behind 4th placed side.

Villa are due a win 

Which route to qualification is more achievable for Liverpool?

Top 4? or
Winning the Europa League?

Firstly, I don't think we're anywhere near good enough to achieve either of those things yet.

BUT...

The league - we are (when you take GD into account) effectively 7 points outside the top four and have 11 games left.
We are a potential 7 games away from winning the Europa League.

I still think that the Europa League should be our main focus.  I don't think we are going to be anywhere near consistent enough in the League over 11 games - I reckon we would need about 9 wins to have any hope.

But the Europa League is two legs to the final.  Possible we can be average in one leg and decent in the other and still get through.

Look at the last two games against Man City as an example.

What do you think? Which basket should we be throwing our eggs into?

Top 4.... but neither will happen realistically, but we all live in hope 

Villa are due a win 

Disappointed that F***ing Everton couldn't win today. When I went out they were bloody winning too. Puts us 8 points behind West ham with 2 games in hand.

Good draw between Chelsea and Stoke as I was beginning to worry about Chelsea overtaking us.

Don't know why I am bothered really... I gave up on the league a while back

Disappointed that f**king Everton couldn't win today. When I went out they were bloody winning too. Puts us 8 points behind West ham with 2 games in hand.

Good draw between Chelsea and Stoke as I was beginning to worry about Chelsea overtaking us.

Don't know why I am bothered really... I gave up on the league a while back

So did I mate...

As you said they've drawn us back in. We can forget everything if we don't win tomorrow, thankfully I think we will do. All we can is put as much pressure as possible and hope to pick up the pieces.

Getting really condensed that 3rd down to ourselves, should mean more of those involved have to play each other and therefore inevitably lose points.

Hope over belief right now but at least there is hope.

So did I mate...

As you said they've drawn us back in. We can forget everything if we don't win tomorrow, thankfully I think we will do. All we can is put as much pressure as possible and hope to pick up the pieces.

Getting really condensed that 3rd down to ourselves, should mean more of those involved have to play each other and therefore inevitably lose points.

Hope over belief right now but at least there is hope.

Problem is we have a pretty easy run in... so it's all the teams we usually struggle against

Problem is we have a pretty easy run in... so it's all the teams we usually struggle against

Fair enough point.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KX5jNnDMfxA

The way this season is going, not for us but the Premier League in general, anything is possible. It's so unpredictable this season.

The way this season is going, not for us but the Premier League in general, anything is possible. It's so unpredictable this season.

The only predictable thing is that Leicester keep winning.....

Poor form from those who have indicated one way or another. Please remember we are Liverpool Football Club and we only ever should concentrate on the next game. That is what our values are based on.  Every manager in our history have always told us that especially King Kenny so what are we playing at on here.