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      Now Liverpool and Dortmund charged by UEFA
      Apr 08, 2016 04:25:59 pm
      It appears they are now charging us with setting off fireworks during the Dortmund game! Dortmund are also being charged for blocking  stairwells.
      Everyone has been talking about the wonderful atmosphere, the fantastic rendition of YNWA by both sets of fans and a game played in the right spirit! Yet good old UEFA had to find something, anything to complain about. Football has many problems, from ticket prices to player power, but the biggest problem facing the game is UEFA andFIFA!
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      Reply #1: Apr 08, 2016 06:07:35 pm
      It appears they are now charging us with setting off fireworks during the Dortmund game! Dortmund are also being charged for blocking  stairwells.
      Everyone has been talking about the wonderful atmosphere, the fantastic rendition of YNWA by both sets of fans and a game played in the right spirit! Yet good old UEFA had to find something, anything to complain about. Football has many problems, from ticket prices to player power, but the biggest problem facing the game is UEFA andFIFA!

      Never mind the Italians or Turks etc running amok, slashing everyone. Silly songs and smoke is the big no-no to UEFA.
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      Reply #2: Apr 09, 2016 09:22:36 am
      Good old UEFA, personally cannot for the life of me the obsession with flares etc but they really showed themselves up this week in their little ivory tower at uefa headquarters when having fined barcelona for fans displaying the catalan flag they then insisted both barcelona and atletico madrid wear their away kit to avoid a clash, and hey presto barcelona wear their away kit which just happens to be the colour of the catalan flag. Really couldn't make it up...
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      Reply #3: Apr 09, 2016 10:54:55 am
      It's a pity EUFA and Fifa don't spend their time and money cleaning up their own organisations from the corruption they are riddled with.It's time the clubs took back the power from these money grabbing  associations.
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      Re: Now Liverpool and Dortmund charged by UEFA
      Reply #4: Apr 09, 2016 11:19:40 am
      Make sure to pay the fine into uefa@panama_personal account  for the boys.
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      Reply #5: Apr 09, 2016 11:34:02 am
      I wonder if the non-profit organisation charge everybody.

      Every little helps!
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      Reply #6: Apr 09, 2016 12:00:03 pm
      Make sure to pay the fine into uefa@panama_personal account  for the boys.

      Account : Blairmore.

      It's a pity EUFA and Fifa don't spend their time and money cleaning up their own organisations from the corruption they are riddled with.It's time the clubs took back the power from these money grabbing  associations.

      Exactly Billy.   Stones and green house come to mind.
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      Re: Now Liverpool and Dortmund charged by UEFA
      Reply #7: Apr 09, 2016 05:03:13 pm
      Quote from FATKOPITE10
      Good old UEFA, personally cannot for the life of me the obsession with flares etc

      We've got done for the flares again, for the third game in a row. It's got to stop. Flares are banned everywhere for reasons we're all well aware of, so we have no defence at all if we're reported for them. If persistent, the punishments can lead to away game bans and/or ground closures. So let's make sure it doesn't get that far.
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      Reply #8: Apr 09, 2016 05:35:28 pm
      People who don't understand why UEFA come down hard on flares is the only thing surprising. I shouldn't have to explain why flares don't belong in football stadiums so I won't.
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      Reply #9: Apr 09, 2016 06:08:09 pm
      People who don't understand why UEFA come down hard on flares is the only thing surprising. I shouldn't have to explain why flares don't belong in football stadiums so I won't.

      I know where you're coming from, but Halfy-half scarves are more concerning for me.


      Juve here, flare city.
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      Reply #10: Apr 10, 2016 12:40:07 pm
      Those moaning in here, sound like these whoppers, while our end was having a party!!

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqylBSBgsPo
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      Reply #11: Apr 11, 2016 12:19:08 am
      In fairness, that Juventus photo is at least several years old, and going by the ads in the photo, several years further back than that. It's all neon LED adverts these days. Can't say I like it very much, but even we cottoned onto the modern craze in 2008.

      Anyway, none of this changes the fact that flares are banned, full stop. I just hope we get away with a fine, like we did the last time circa 10 years ago, and stick to waving flags around rather than flares in the future.
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      Reply #12: Apr 11, 2016 01:25:00 am
      we are just being played, they want to anger us after we made noise about the mancs and their filthy activity. don't read the media, don't get affected by their trolling.
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      Reply #13: Apr 12, 2016 09:16:30 pm
      Anyway, none of this changes the fact that flares are banned, full stop. I just hope we get away with a fine, like we did the last time circa 10 years ago, and stick to waving flags around rather than flares in the future.



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      Reply #14: Apr 18, 2016 07:55:42 pm
      http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36077758



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      Liverpool are in more trouble with Uefa after European football's governing body charged them with a fireworks offence.

      The disciplinary charge came after a flare was thrown on to the pitch following last week's Europa League win over Borussia Dortmund.

      The Reds were already facing charges relating to fireworks offences and crowd disturbances in earlier rounds.

      A Uefa disciplinary panel will look at the charges on 19 May.

      The flare was thrown after Dejan Lovren's injury-time header saw the Reds beat Dortmund 5-4 on aggregate to book a semi-final against Spain's Villarreal.

      The Premier League club were also charged for illicit chanting, throwing objects and crowd disturbances, as well as further firework offences, following their last-16 victory over rivals Manchester United.

      And they received another charge after the quarter-final first leg in Dortmund for away fans allegedly blocking stairways.

      Liverpool's case will be heard by Uefa's control, ethics and disciplinary body on the day after the Europa League final in Basel.

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      Re: Now Liverpool and Dortmund charged by UEFA
      Reply #15: Apr 18, 2016 08:27:08 pm
      http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36077758



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      Liverpool are in more trouble with Uefa after European football's governing body charged them with a fireworks offence.

      The disciplinary charge came after a flare was thrown on to the pitch following last week's Europa League win over Borussia Dortmund.

      The Reds were already facing charges relating to fireworks offences and crowd disturbances in earlier rounds.

      A Uefa disciplinary panel will look at the charges on 19 May.

      The flare was thrown after Dejan Lovren's injury-time header saw the Reds beat Dortmund 5-4 on aggregate to book a semi-final against Spain's Villarreal.

      The Premier League club were also charged for illicit chanting, throwing objects and crowd disturbances, as well as further firework offences, following their last-16 victory over rivals Manchester United.

      And they received another charge after the quarter-final first leg in Dortmund for away fans allegedly blocking stairways.

      Liverpool's case will be heard by Uefa's control, ethics and disciplinary body on the day after the Europa League final in Basel.


      F**k them, corrupt bas**rds.
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      Re: Now Liverpool and Dortmund charged by UEFA
      Reply #16: Apr 18, 2016 11:21:55 pm
      I saw the incident when it happened. At least most fans got the message before the game.

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      Reply #17: Apr 18, 2016 11:48:23 pm

      .....but they still wear bell bottoms in Dudley .

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      Reply #18: Apr 19, 2016 12:00:01 pm
      If people don't stop using Flares, so goodbye to those big Anfield nights. Our games will be closed behind doors if it carries on. I wouldn't be surprised to see us win the Europa league but get suspended from next seasons European competition if it happens in any more away games. People need to realize how dangerous flares are.
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      Reply #19: Apr 19, 2016 01:34:52 pm
      I'm not a person to piss on anyone's parade, but seeing as a I have a background in pyrotechnics, flares depending on the variety (road flares for instance) are extremely dangerous and not to mention toxic. I'm all for a little bit of good fun, but the first time someone's injured from one, the tides against them will turn heavily. I personally wouldn't take my kids to a match where that was prevalent.

      To me it's a bit silly anyway...why would you want to use something that will obscure your view of the game that is so important for you to watch?

      I'd be pretty pissed if I was trying to watch a game but couldn't see through the smoke and light.

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      Reply #20: Apr 19, 2016 01:55:38 pm
      I don't get why the fan(s) took them to the game and used them anyway after the club got charged the first time around. I'm all for an atmosphere and stuff but piss about with them outside the ground so that the club don't get punished again. UEFA could come down on us with any punishment they wanted if this keeps up.

      I don't get why the club wouldn't be coming out with a statement to the fans to tell them not to bring them to the games if they're going to be continuously punished for random sh*t.
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      Reply #21: Apr 19, 2016 03:07:52 pm
      I don't get why the fan(s) took them to the game and used them anyway after the club got charged the first time around. I'm all for an atmosphere and stuff but piss about with them outside the ground so that the club don't get punished again. UEFA could come down on us with any punishment they wanted if this keeps up.

      I don't get why the club wouldn't be coming out with a statement to the fans to tell them not to bring them to the games if they're going to be continuously punished for random sh*t.

      They have done via the Supporters committee mate.  Basically asked them to spread the word not to use them as the sanctions could end up worse than a slap on the wrist and a fine.

      Can't understand it when we missed out on years of European footy when they banned us and all English Clubs after Heysel, we of all Clubs should know that we'll bear the brunt of it even if it's widespread around European leagues.
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      Reply #22: Apr 19, 2016 03:19:43 pm
      They have done via the Supporters committee mate.  Basically asked them to spread the word not to use them as the sanctions could end up worse than a slap on the wrist and a fine.

      Can't understand it when we missed out on years of European footy when they banned us and all English Clubs after Heysel, we of all Clubs should know that we'll bear the brunt of it even if it's widespread around European leagues.

      I don't think that's enough IMO. Not everybody is going to see something from a supporters committee. The offal would be more appropriate to spread the word. Would just be our luck if we keep doing it, somehow win the Europa and then get banned next season because some tools can't use common sense.
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      Reply #23: Apr 19, 2016 03:24:58 pm
      I don't think that's enough IMO. Not everybody is going to see something from a supporters committee. The offal would be more appropriate to spread the word. Would just be our luck if we keep doing it, somehow win the Europa and then get banned next season because some tools can't use common sense.

      This is what was put out on RAWK mate the day before the 2nd leg of the Europa.  Looking at the link it was on the LFC site.

      All,

      Potentially a controversial thread but with my LFC Supporters' Committee hat on the Club have approached LFC supporters' groups about the charges the Club have received from UEFA over pyro at some recent Europa League games.

      Firstly, in a refreshing change they identified before pushing out any communications that they should engage with supporters about how the message should be crafted. We told them that suggestions about supporters turning other supporters in would be a waste of time (to be fair they weren't suggesting that at any point) and that trying to get across the risk of sanctions that would hit supporters, rather than say the Club writing a cheque for a fine, would be better as obviously no one wants to see partial ground closures or allocations cut.

      The trick was that the communications to supporters shouldn't really list the potential sanctions as the concerns would be that UEFA, who will see the efforts the Club are making, might decide that what we are most concerned might happen (other then an injury to someone) should be an appropriate sanction.

      So, as SC Chair I have received a communication that will be pushed out on the LFC SC social media (as limited as that is). The idea is that I will respond to it and the Club may use what we send back in part of their submissions so UEFA see supporters are concerned as well.

      Obviously the knee jerk reaction is that pyro creates an atmosphere impact but unfortunately it is something that UEFA won't have and so we have to recognise the threat that exists. We can all complain about them spending time on this sort of stuff and not doing anything about more serious things like racism, offensive chanting, poor policing etc but we are where we are.

      The communications are below - I'd welcome any views anyone has about what might be done to avoid this problem, although at the end of the day it will have to be peer pressure more than anything that will see it stop so we don't risk issues in the rest of this European campaign or next year's.

      PLEASE FEEL FREE TO PUSH THIS OUT ON ANY APPROPRIATE SOCIAL MEDIA

      Dear Graham

      Following our meeting yesterday, I am writing to ask for supporter groups help in getting some important messages to fans regarding pyrotechnics and the risks to receiving punishments at future games.

      As discussed, we have received letters recently from UEFA regarding a number of fan infringements that have taken place at some of our recent European matches. These have included setting off pyrotechnics and other fan disturbances.

      We have now received a further letter this week specifically about some of our fans setting off pyrotechnics in Dortmund last week. As part of the UEFA process we have been requested to respond to the letters and thereafter UEFA will make their decision on any potential sanctions.

      We have had a number of fans write and call into the Club requesting that we take action against those responsible for bringing pyrotechnics into the stadium and highlighting the unpleasant and dangerous impacts these devices are having on them and their fellow fans.

      We will of course respond to all charges as outlined by UEFA but are seeking support and help from our fans as every infringement will result in an impact for the Club and its supporters.

      To help awareness around the issue of pyrotechnics we would appreciate any help you can give ahead of Thursday’s Europa League match against Dortmund at Anfield in highlighting to supporters the potential impact upon supporters going forward.

      If we do progress through to the next round, we then potentially have a European semi-final and final to look forward to and we must make fans aware of the consequences they may face if we don’t eradicate pyrotechnics. We know this is only a small minority of fans but the impact they are having is affecting the reputation of all Liverpool fans.

      We will be publishing an article on our website to remind fans that it is illegal to bring pyrotechnics into any stadium but in your capacity on the Supporters Committee we hope that we can call on your support to spread this important message.

      I’ve attached the Club’s website article below for your reference.

      Kind regards
      Andrew



      WEBSITE ARTICLE

      Reminder: Use of pyrotechnics could result in fan sanctions

      Ahead of Thursday’s game against Borussia Dortmund, Liverpool FC would like to remind supporters that flares, smoke bombs and pyrotechnics are illegal and prohibited.

      The Club has been charged by UEFA for Liverpool supporters using pyrotechnics during recent European matches which could result in sanctions being imposed on the Club and supporters at future games.

      Any individual who is found taking these items to Anfield or any other stadium may face prosecution and a banning order. The use of such devices breaches ground safety regulations and poses serious risk of injury to fellow fans.

      We remind supporters of the serious consequences they will face surrounding the possession and/or use of pyrotechnics and any other illegal items in Anfield and other stadiums.

      Thank you for your continued support in keeping Anfield and visiting stadiums a safe and welcoming environment for all fans.


      http://www.liverpoolfc.com/news/announcements/216147-reminder-use-of-pyrotechnics-could-result-in-fan-sanctions

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      Reply #24: Apr 19, 2016 05:29:02 pm
      This is what was put out on RAWK mate the day before the 2nd leg of the Europa.  Looking at the link it was on the LFC site.

      All,

      Potentially a controversial thread but with my LFC Supporters' Committee hat on the Club have approached LFC supporters' groups about the charges the Club have received from UEFA over pyro at some recent Europa League games.

      Firstly, in a refreshing change they identified before pushing out any communications that they should engage with supporters about how the message should be crafted. We told them that suggestions about supporters turning other supporters in would be a waste of time (to be fair they weren't suggesting that at any point) and that trying to get across the risk of sanctions that would hit supporters, rather than say the Club writing a cheque for a fine, would be better as obviously no one wants to see partial ground closures or allocations cut.

      The trick was that the communications to supporters shouldn't really list the potential sanctions as the concerns would be that UEFA, who will see the efforts the Club are making, might decide that what we are most concerned might happen (other then an injury to someone) should be an appropriate sanction.

      So, as SC Chair I have received a communication that will be pushed out on the LFC SC social media (as limited as that is). The idea is that I will respond to it and the Club may use what we send back in part of their submissions so UEFA see supporters are concerned as well.

      Obviously the knee jerk reaction is that pyro creates an atmosphere impact but unfortunately it is something that UEFA won't have and so we have to recognise the threat that exists. We can all complain about them spending time on this sort of stuff and not doing anything about more serious things like racism, offensive chanting, poor policing etc but we are where we are.

      The communications are below - I'd welcome any views anyone has about what might be done to avoid this problem, although at the end of the day it will have to be peer pressure more than anything that will see it stop so we don't risk issues in the rest of this European campaign or next year's.

      PLEASE FEEL FREE TO PUSH THIS OUT ON ANY APPROPRIATE SOCIAL MEDIA

      Dear Graham

      Following our meeting yesterday, I am writing to ask for supporter groups help in getting some important messages to fans regarding pyrotechnics and the risks to receiving punishments at future games.

      As discussed, we have received letters recently from UEFA regarding a number of fan infringements that have taken place at some of our recent European matches. These have included setting off pyrotechnics and other fan disturbances.

      We have now received a further letter this week specifically about some of our fans setting off pyrotechnics in Dortmund last week. As part of the UEFA process we have been requested to respond to the letters and thereafter UEFA will make their decision on any potential sanctions.

      We have had a number of fans write and call into the Club requesting that we take action against those responsible for bringing pyrotechnics into the stadium and highlighting the unpleasant and dangerous impacts these devices are having on them and their fellow fans.

      We will of course respond to all charges as outlined by UEFA but are seeking support and help from our fans as every infringement will result in an impact for the Club and its supporters.

      To help awareness around the issue of pyrotechnics we would appreciate any help you can give ahead of Thursday’s Europa League match against Dortmund at Anfield in highlighting to supporters the potential impact upon supporters going forward.

      If we do progress through to the next round, we then potentially have a European semi-final and final to look forward to and we must make fans aware of the consequences they may face if we don’t eradicate pyrotechnics. We know this is only a small minority of fans but the impact they are having is affecting the reputation of all Liverpool fans.

      We will be publishing an article on our website to remind fans that it is illegal to bring pyrotechnics into any stadium but in your capacity on the Supporters Committee we hope that we can call on your support to spread this important message.

      I’ve attached the Club’s website article below for your reference.

      Kind regards
      Andrew



      WEBSITE ARTICLE

      Reminder: Use of pyrotechnics could result in fan sanctions

      Ahead of Thursday’s game against Borussia Dortmund, Liverpool FC would like to remind supporters that flares, smoke bombs and pyrotechnics are illegal and prohibited.

      The Club has been charged by UEFA for Liverpool supporters using pyrotechnics during recent European matches which could result in sanctions being imposed on the Club and supporters at future games.

      Any individual who is found taking these items to Anfield or any other stadium may face prosecution and a banning order. The use of such devices breaches ground safety regulations and poses serious risk of injury to fellow fans.

      We remind supporters of the serious consequences they will face surrounding the possession and/or use of pyrotechnics and any other illegal items in Anfield and other stadiums.

      Thank you for your continued support in keeping Anfield and visiting stadiums a safe and welcoming environment for all fans.


      http://www.liverpoolfc.com/news/announcements/216147-reminder-use-of-pyrotechnics-could-result-in-fan-sanctions
      I still do not think it is enough. I think Klopp needs to say it in his weekly press release.
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      Re: Now Liverpool and Dortmund charged by UEFA
      Reply #25: Apr 19, 2016 08:03:06 pm
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      I don't get why the fan(s) took them to the game and used them anyway after the club got charged the first time around. I'm all for an atmosphere and stuff but piss about with them outside the ground so that the club don't get punished again. UEFA could come down on us with any punishment they wanted if this keeps up.

      They don't care is the answer. They will only care if UEFA say the ground will be closed. It will be too late then.

      While that itself is unlikely, it doesn't help that UEFA are waiting until the competition is over to deal with this. There are now a number of these incidents to deal with, and the response will be strong. But it should be dealt with asap imo, so the few who still use flares in stadiums are acutely aware of the consequences in future games.
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      Reply #26: Apr 20, 2016 04:04:27 pm
      With these 'charges' building up - could UEFA remove a CL place (providing we achieve one)..?
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      Reply #27: Apr 20, 2016 04:09:47 pm
      With these 'charges' building up - could UEFA remove a CL place (providing we achieve one)..?
      Yes
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      Reply #28: Apr 20, 2016 04:29:15 pm
      This is turning into stupidity
      Why does a fan/s use these flares when he knows it is BANNED
       3 games in a row , if it was one time thing , you can say, well the stupid guy did not know he cannot set the flare off, but 2 /3 times in a few weeks is pure simple Stupidity
      its clear its the same person or group that launches these fireworks, who think they love Liverpool FC.
      they must be identified and stop this club damaging actions

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      Reply #29: Apr 20, 2016 05:15:53 pm
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      Reply #30: Apr 20, 2016 05:23:26 pm
      No pyro no party.
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      Reply #31: Apr 21, 2016 04:39:05 pm
      I don't think Europa will ban teams from Europe, especially when it is a team that brings so much to the competition... but they have done before and it is within their power. I would not at all be surprised to see them issue a large fine, which harms us because it is money out of war transfer kitty, the other option is to force us to play our games without any fans... which would be quite terrible. I think sanctions that will be imposed are largely dependent on how it is handled. I agree with other posters that say not enough has been said about it by our club directly during press releases.
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      Reply #32: Apr 22, 2016 01:00:54 pm
      I agree with other posters that say not enough has been said about it by our club directly during press releases.

      Stop being little crying bitches.



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      Reply #33: May 26, 2016 03:46:49 pm
      We've been fined £8,400 by UEFA for the flares/smoke bombs etc in the second leg.
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      Reply #34: May 26, 2016 05:16:36 pm
      We've been fined £8,400 by UEFA for the flares/smoke bombs etc in the second leg.

      As we say 

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      Re: Now Liverpool and Dortmund charged by UEFA
      Reply #35: May 26, 2016 09:43:36 pm
      We've been fined £8,400 by UEFA for the flares/smoke bombs etc in the second leg.

      Is that it? They made it out like it was the crime of the century. At least give us a decent fine. Henry probably found that down his cushions.
      HUYTON RED
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      Re: Now Liverpool and Dortmund charged by UEFA
      Reply #36: May 27, 2016 12:09:36 am
      Is that it? They made it out like it was the crime of the century. At least give us a decent fine. Henry probably found that down his cushions.

      We still got the fines for the Villareal home leg and final to come yet! :laugh:
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      Re: Now Liverpool and Dortmund charged by UEFA
      Reply #37: May 27, 2016 09:19:34 am
      We still got the fines for the Villareal home leg and final to come yet! :laugh:

      Haha they should be paying us for the pyro show!

      No pyro no party

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