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      Sadio Mane arrival - who's place does he take

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      mcarz
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      Re: Sadio Mane arrival - who's place does he take
      Reply #23: Jun 28, 2016 11:32:27 pm
      Yeah he's having a rest after helping Belgium win the Euro's,
       
      My bad mate I'll guess he'll rotate with Ings.


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      I was just wondering mate that's all.
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      Re: Sadio Mane arrival - who's place does he take
      Reply #24: Jun 28, 2016 11:59:45 pm
      Lallana doesn't bring goals, but I don't think that's his thing. I don't see why he is criticised for it. He offers something else.

      Sadly that's his fundamental problem.
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      Re: Sadio Mane arrival - who's place does he take
      Reply #25: Jun 29, 2016 12:07:37 am
      Using only who we've got as of right now I'd say this:

      Karius
      Clyne Lovren Sakho Moreno
      Hendo Can
      Mane      Firmino    Coutinho
      Sturridge

      Sounds about right. And probably we will sign one or two players more for the first team. Preferably left back. Mane will provide energy, pace out wide and goals. Lallana, Milner, Markovic and Ibe should be enough different options behind the striker.
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      Re: Sadio Mane arrival - who's place does he take
      Reply #26: Jun 29, 2016 12:44:49 am
      and Ibe should be enough different options behind the striker.

      Honestly unless there is a dramatic turnaround in pre-season Ojo is farther ahead at a younger age and has probably passed Ibe..we shall see.
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      Re: Sadio Mane arrival - who's place does he take
      Reply #27: Jun 29, 2016 07:00:39 am
      Honestly unless there is a dramatic turnaround in pre-season Ojo is farther ahead at a younger age and has probably passed Ibe..we shall see.

      You are probably right, I forget him.
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      Re: Sadio Mane arrival - who's place does he take
      Reply #28: Jun 29, 2016 07:06:18 am
      We bought a player from Southampton to replace a player we bought from Southampton!  8)
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      Re: Sadio Mane arrival - who's place does he take
      Reply #29: Jun 29, 2016 08:01:03 am
      We bought a player from Southampton to replace a player we bought from Southampton!  8)

      Wouldn't play Mane at Right Back mate ;)
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      Re: Sadio Mane arrival - who's place does he take
      Reply #30: Jun 29, 2016 08:08:43 am
      I would assume that he would be taking Lallana's position, but he is more efficient coming off the left. However there would be a problem because Coutinho is also more effective/only effective when he is cutting in and onto his strong foot.

      The issue I have with this i.e. Coutinho, Mane, Firmino, Sturridge is the fact that the only player that can create is Coutinho, all the rest are basically scorers, and Coutinho is more likely to have a bad day than he is to have a good game. It will need a ball playing CM to work if the team is to have a chance at cracking top 4.
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      Re: Sadio Mane arrival - who's place does he take
      Reply #31: Jun 29, 2016 08:23:04 am
      Firmino creates as well as Coutinho, just in a different way.

      we know Firmino isn't completely up to fitness in the same way as Lallana... is Mane a 90 minute warrior? I don't think he is yet. I feel Frimino will still be the subbed one, maybe he and Mane will trade starting places in the first month or so. at least we have 8 friendlies to see what they're all about!
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      Re: Sadio Mane arrival - who's place does he take
      Reply #32: Jun 29, 2016 09:00:23 am
      Firmino creates as well as Coutinho, just in a different way.

      we know Firmino isn't completely up to fitness in the same way as Lallana... is Mane a 90 minute warrior? I don't think he is yet. I feel Frimino will still be the subbed one, maybe he and Mane will trade starting places in the first month or so. at least we have 8 friendlies to see what they're all about!
      Firmino is that sort of player that goes missing most of the game and scores a goal or gets an assist even when he has been poor all game. He is a scoring No. 10 rather than one who will create and bring the best out of others, and for that reason, I tend to think that the best way to get the best out of these guys would be to get a midfielder in who can dictate the tempo and get players in areas where they are effective.

      Otherwise, you remain with what we had for most of this season where pressing was the primary chance creation tool, and once teams sat back you had very little in terms of the ability to go on and break them down.
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      Re: Sadio Mane arrival - who's place does he take
      Reply #33: Jun 29, 2016 09:08:33 am
      Thing is there is a point with that forward line where it is about the numbers and putting goals in the pack of the net;

      Lallana is there when we need that crucial goal vs Norwich..  :f_whistle:
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      Re: Sadio Mane arrival - who's place does he take
      Reply #34: Jun 29, 2016 09:29:00 am
      Not a fan of Lallana. No pace and always has to do one trick too many which slows our attack right down. Fed up of watching the opposition take their time getting men behind the ball while everybody waits for Lallana to finish his 9th Cruyff turn in a row. I'm not sure exactly what his stats are but for somebody who plays virtually every game for us he never seems to score or make an assist.  Headless chicken for me.

      So mane comes in for Lallana. My problem with that is I don't think he is compatible with the other three, that will presumably be Sturridge, Coutinho and Firmino.




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      Re: Sadio Mane arrival - who's place does he take
      Reply #35: Jun 29, 2016 09:52:56 am
      Using what we have at the moment I'd go 4 3 3. We need a hard working centre forward up top and I don't think sturridge is that man. For me he struggles up top on his own.
                         Karius
      Clyne    Lovren  matip   Moreno
                    Can    Hendo
                        Coutinho
      Sturridge   Origi/firmino   Mane.
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      Re: Sadio Mane arrival - who's place does he take
      Reply #36: Jun 29, 2016 11:53:48 am
      He'll get plenty of game time rotating with and replacing each of the 'three' [Firmino, Lallana and Coutinho], if and when in my opinion.

      All things being equal tho' - I'd guess Sadio would start before Adam.
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      Re: Sadio Mane arrival - who's place does he take
      Reply #37: Jun 29, 2016 11:58:33 am
      Using what we have at the moment I'd go 4 3 3. We need a hard working centre forward up top and I don't think sturridge is that man. For me he struggles up top on his own.
      So... as Danny would not be "on his own" in a 4  3  3 you'd be happy enough then Robert?

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      Re: Sadio Mane arrival - who's place does he take
      Reply #38: Jun 29, 2016 12:05:54 pm
        not sure exactly what his stats are but for somebody who plays virtually every game for us he never seems to score or make an assist. 

      7 goals and 7 assists in all comps.
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      Re: Sadio Mane arrival - who's place does he take
      Reply #39: Jun 29, 2016 01:27:57 pm
      He is taking Benteke place in the squad defo.

      Starting 11, who knows, rotation rotation and injuries will probably determine that.

      1st game of season as squad stands this would be my front 4:-

             ---- Studger -----
      - Mane - Coutinho - Firmino -

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      Re: Sadio Mane arrival - who's place does he take
      Reply #40: Jun 30, 2016 02:39:29 am
                 Coutinho
      Lallana, Sturridge, Mane

      Lallana has the ability to make runs behind the opposition defence, same with Sturridge and Mane. Perhaps Ings replacing Lallana eventually as an inside forward? Coutinho will have a field day.

      I also like the idea of Firmino as a 9 with 2 quick wide forwards (Ojo and Mane?) and Coutinho behind.

      Agree. I think Coutinho should be converted to that Iniesta role with the time.
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      Re: Sadio Mane arrival - who's place does he take
      Reply #41: Jun 30, 2016 05:57:45 am
      So... as Danny would not be "on his own" in a 4  3  3 you'd be happy enough then Robert?



      +1 For getting Robert from Trebor ... I only got as far as mints and Trevor. :)

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      Re: Sadio Mane arrival - who's place does he take
      Reply #42: Jun 30, 2016 09:46:41 am
      +1 For getting Robert from Trebor ... I only got as far as mints and Trevor. :)


      Jaysus s@int a plus for that: what have we become?

      Back on topic: Sadio will be taking Gotze's place.   ;D
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      Re: Sadio Mane arrival - who's place does he take
      Reply #43: Jun 30, 2016 02:51:45 pm
      He doesnt . No one's .


      Part of the JurgenMeisters tactical genius , strategy and rotational implementation.
      « Last Edit: Jun 30, 2016 04:41:12 pm by MIRO »
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      Re: Sadio Mane arrival - who's place does he take
      Reply #44: Jun 30, 2016 05:49:21 pm
      Another thing this addition allows is for Klopp to sub out a player at 60-70 minutes who isn't up to continue pressing, particularly if we have a lead. Think Mane with a goal and an assist, off in the 70th for Lallana who, as usual, never stops running during his time on, helping defend from the front and keep the lead.

      My concern with all of these lineups is that we continue to ask a lot of two central midfielders. I thought that is where we were the most vulnerable last season, up the middle. The Seville match was maybe the most glaring example, but it was exposed as well vs. Watford, Southampton and others. The players we use behind the striker are good attackers, but none of them really have much in the way of midfield bite (save maybe Milner who I don't think is a great option there).

      To me it looks like our formation, with the personnel we have now, is more naturally a 4-2-4, which in the EPL...is risky.
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      Re: Sadio Mane arrival - who's place does he take
      Reply #45: Jul 01, 2016 06:37:39 pm
      He should replace Lallana. Lallana is technically gifted but his stats(goals/assists) are poor.

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