Fernando blames hierarchy??

Former Liverpool striker Fernando Torres believes he was portrayed as a “traitor” following his controversial departure to Chelsea five years ago.

And the Spaniard says he feels “betrayed” by those in power at Anfield at the time, not least when it emerged publicly the player had “verbally requested” to leave the club.

Torres has spoken candidly about events leading to his British record £50million move to Stamford Bridge in January 2011 in a new book by Simon Hughes entitled “Ring of Fire: Liverpool FC into the 21st Century – the players’ stories”.

The striker details how he had spoken with managing director Christian Purslow in the summer of 2010 and later Damien Comolli after the Frenchman’s appointment as director of football in the November.

Torres wanted to know if he would be sold because of the club’s ongoing financial problems but was told by Purslow the players would need to stay for Liverpool’s value to remain high ahead of a possible takeover.

His frustration was heightened by Javier Mascherano being sold to Barcelona shortly after the meeting with Purslow.

New England Sports Ventures (later to become Fenway Sports Group) bought Liverpool and initiated a new structure with first Comolli’s arrival and then the appointment of Kenny Dalglish in place of the sacked Roy Hodgson.

“Comolli told me that the new owners (FSG), they had an idea of how to spend their investment,” says Torres.

“They wanted to bring in young players, to build something new. I was thinking to myself, this takes time to work. It takes two, three, four, maybe even 10 years.

“I didn’t have that time. I was 27 years old. I did not have time to wait. I wanted to win. Here we are five years later and they are still trying to build – around the same position in the league as when I left.”

Though Torres admits of his unhappiness and raising the possibility of leaving was discussed during a meeting with Dalglish, the conversation only happened after Liverpool had started negotiating privately with Chelsea.

And once the player’s willingness to consider leaving become public, he thinks a leak from the club “changed the view of everybody, including myself”.

“It was presented as if I was a traitor,” says Torres. “It was not like this in the discussion(s).

“Liverpool could not admit they were doing something wrong with the whole team. They had to find a guilty one.”

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/torres-liverpool-portrayed-traitor-felt-11757393.
Just read this thoughts????hard done to or treacherous git😜

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/torres-liverpool-portrayed-traitor-felt-11757393.
Just read this thoughts????hard done to or treacherous git😜

We all know what he is and he should put the spade away and stop digging a bigger hole for himself.He had the lot at Anfield and threw it all away.

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/torres-liverpool-portrayed-traitor-felt-11757393

Read it and other comments from the time and since.

We all bought into the traitor scenario and the head turning money he was being offered  but I do think ,underlying all of this, there was a lot of maneuvering going on with Hansel and Gretel.

Stuff that we will never know about.

On reflection I don't think it was all one sided.  Torres wore his heart on his sleeve for this club ... as did Rafa ...and there had to be reasons why he did (or Liverpool did)  what he or they did.

One thing I do know.
Something triggered his collapse in form .... in his confidence .... which for the rest of his time in the UK he never regained.
Players need to feel wanted.
There was something that happened with Purslow , Hicks or Gillett that did his head in.
Perhaps Liverpool did need the £50 million .

Perhaps it was even earlier with Rafa ...   as with what happened with the Alonso / Barry fiasco .


We'll never know.

H&G were undeniably tw*ts but Fernando was waning before he left. We got above price for him and he moved on to never hit those heights again.

Him walking out before giving Kenny a couple months to prove himself and maybe see which direction the club would go is also a bad reflection on him without needing someone to paint him out as a traitor.

If he stayed with Suarez, maybe we/he would've won something earlier.

But whatever, what is done is done.

If he stayed with Suarez, maybe we/he would've won something earlier.

Imagine. 

H&G were undeniably tw*ts but Fernando was waning before he left. We got above price for him and he moved on to never hit those heights again.

Him walking out before giving Kenny a couple months to prove himself and maybe see which direction the club would go is also a bad reflection on him without needing someone to paint him out as a traitor.

If he stayed with Suarez, maybe we/he would've won something earlier.

But whatever, what is done is done.

See thats the thing with Torres its a grey area none of us know the whole truth , the only truth being the c###s in charge were raping the club and assets , I dont go in for all the bitterness towards players, its a short career and they want to win as much as they can if our club couldnt provide that platform , then surely thats the club's fault for not matching that ambition , better to have loved and lost than not loved at all .

I suppose a question which should be asked in regards to this recent media activity around Torres is this. If you were Torres around that time of leading up to his departure, would you have done the same?

He wanted to win things. The club at the time was imploding. What else could he have done?

I still think he was out of order going to Chelsea. Bridges were well and truly burnt then. But for moving on?

See thats the thing with Torres its a grey area none of us know the whole truth , the only truth being the c###s in charge were raping the club and assets , I dont go in for all the bitterness towards players, its a short career and they want to win as much as they can if our club couldnt provide that platform , then surely thats the club's fault for not matching that ambition , better to have loved and lost than not loved at all .

I still hold Nando in high regard, mate.

But he wasn't faultless and didn't help his tag as "traitor". He went to Chelsea. And his first interview for them was labelling them a big club as if we weren't.

So what do we do then as fans? Forgive him for essentially looking down at our club and giving us fans a backhanded comment whilst sitting in a Chelsea shirt?

H&G were total cocks, Rafa was bickering with them, and Torres downed tools under Hodgson, cant blame him there.

50m spondoolies, well appreciated thank you.
The aftermath and attempts to spin a tale for a few dollars more are of no interest whatever.

I still hold Nando in high regard, mate.

But he wasn't faultless and didn't help his tag as "traitor". He went to Chelsea. And his first interview for them was labelling them a big club as if we weren't.

So what do we do then as fans? Forgive him for essentially looking down at our club and giving us fans a backhanded comment whilst sitting in a Chelsea shirt?

Did he really look down on us, a lot were just sounbites he never got the adulation from them  , in fact we had the best out of him still a bit baffled as to how a world class striker turned into a run of the mill one , we have long since moved on , but I still think he has regrets over us .

Remind me again what he said after he got his move to Chelsea?

F**k him.
No one gives a sh*t.

Did he really look down on us, a lot were just sounbites he never got the adulation from them

I think he did. He could've stuck to the usual PR crap of hoping to put in 100% and working for the fans.

He directly said he was happy to finally be at a big club.

And i think a majority of their fans like him. He did score some big goals for them (and miss some absolute sitters).

Remind me again what he said after he got his move to Chelsea?

F**k him.
No one gives a sh*t.

"I felt from last summer that I needed to do a step forward in my career and for my ambition as a footballer," Torres said. "I am joining a team that is at the top level. There is not another level after Chelsea.

Chelsea have the chance every season to win all the trophies that they play for, so when you have the chance to play in a team like this, you cannot say no."

"I felt from last summer that I needed to do a step forward in my career and for my ambition as a footballer," Torres said. "I am joining a team that is at the top level. There is not another level after Chelsea.

Chelsea have the chance every season to win all the trophies that they play for, so when you have the chance to play in a team like this, you cannot say no."

It was more of a rhetorical question mate, but thanks anyway

Guessing those comments about the bigger club were a shot at LFC higher ups that he felt betrayed him. Nothing but love for Nando from me, still one of my favorite players.

"I felt from last summer that I needed to do a step forward in my career and for my ambition as a footballer," Torres said. "I am joining a team that is at the top level. There is not another level after Chelsea.

Chelsea have the chance every season to win all the trophies that they play for, so when you have the chance to play in a team like this, you cannot say no."

To be fair...he has a point. F**k him for joining Chelsea but I can see why he might of been pissed off.

That summer we appointed f*cking Roy Hodgson and signed Shelvey, Jovanovic, Poulsen, Brad Jones, Joe Cole and Konchesky.

I'd out been out of there in a shot!

No need to have a dig at Liverpool though and twist the knife for us fans.

Whoops, didn't know we had a second thread about this going....

In the end, we got £50m for a crocked player who wanted to leave. But it wasn't Torres' fault was spent £35m of that on Andy Carroll.

2007–08 season
Debut Season
On 4 May 2008, Torres scored a 57th-minute winner against Manchester City, which equalled the consecutive Anfield league goal record of eight games set by Roger Hunt.[32][40] After scoring his 24th league goal in the final game of the season, a 2–0 win against Tottenham Hotspur, he set a new record for the most prolific foreign goal scorer in a debut season in England, eclipsing Ruud van Nistelrooy's 23 goals.[32][41] He ended the season in joint second place with Emmanuel Adebayor in the race for the Premier League golden boot.[42]

Torres was subject to media speculation that Chelsea were willing to pay £50 million to sign him but Torres responded by saying it would be "many years" before he left Liverpool.[43][44] Liverpool co-owner Tom Hicks also negated the idea of a transfer, saying he would not allow Torres to leave the club at any price.[45]

2010–11 season

Following Roy Hodgson's appointment as Liverpool manager he stated that Torres would not be sold by the club, saying "He is not for sale and we don't welcome any offers for him. We want to keep him."[83]
Hodgson dismissed reports Torres was set to leave Liverpool by saying "He has told us that he is looking forward to Monday, to getting back to work and looking forward to playing for Liverpool next season. That is what I know so other reports, I would suggest, are erroneous."[84] Torres stated his commitment to Liverpool on 3 August, saying "My commitment and loyalty to the club and to the fans is the same as it was on my first day when I signed."[85]

He was being tapped away at by the Chavs from the season he arrived .

On 27 July 2010, after returning from a break after the 2010 FIFA World Cup, Mascherano informed new Liverpool manager Roy Hodgson that he wanted to leave the club.[39] During that break, Hodgson had failed with several attempts to contact Mascherano, able only to leave messages for him saying that he was looking forward to meeting him back on Merseyside as his calls went unreturned.[40]

Mascherano was held in high esteem by the Liverpool fans, who gave him his own song, (to the tune of the White Stripes' "Seven Nation Army").[41] After winning the 2011 Champions League Final with Barcelona, Mascherano, speaking directly after the match, said, "I want to say, I know that Liverpool supporters, after my exit, I know they were a little bit sad with me—this is for them as well."[42][43]

Liverpool announced on 27 August that they had agreed a transfer fee £17.25m with Barcelona for the player and had given permission to him to speak with the Spanish club.[44]

Here was someone else who wanted to go to a big club .
Six months before Torres.

The difference from what I can see was it was OK to leave the country but to play for the Chavs was different.

Hodgson went on January 8th 2011.

Torres went January 31st 2011.


Has nobody ever put into the mix that trying to play for the man for half of a season who was recently quoted as saying that

" I dont know what I am doing here " (!)   was another reason why Torres ended up uninspired by it all.

If we could see the owl was an arsehole ... surely a professional footballer could suss that out every day on the training ground.
Including playing next to the Koncheskys of the world.

Guessing those comments about the bigger club were a shot at LFC higher ups that he felt betrayed him. Nothing but love for Nando from me, still one of my favorite players.

That's just it a lot of people are blinkered , I don't think for one minute those comments were aimed at the fans they were aimed a lot higher up the chain .

That summer we appointed f*cking Roy Hodgson and signed Shelvey, Jovanovic, Poulsen, Brad Jones, Joe Cole and Konchesky.

I'd out been out of there in a shot!

Did you have too that list reads like a fckin car crash just how the fck did we think we were going to win with that load of sh*t little wonder our best players wanted to fck off .

That's just it a lot of people are blinkered , I don't think for one minute those comments were aimed at the fans they were aimed a lot higher up the chain .

The fans are the club. despite what any of the custodians think.

I have the same view about Torres that I do about Suarez, who behaved like an absolute c**t, but still gets cut slack on here.
I feel the same about Sterling who was nowhere near as badly behaved as Suarez, but gets dogs abuse on here.

My attitude is, they're gone and I couldn't give a F**k about players on other teams, which is all they are to me now.

http://www.gazzettaworld.com/news/international-football/england-premier-league/liverpool/torres-traitor/?

He's been a shadow of himself since he left... Stay gone.

The fans are the club. despite what any of the custodians think.

I have the same view about Torres that I do about Suarez, who behaved like an absolute c**t, but still gets cut slack on here.
I feel the same about Sterling who was nowhere near as badly behaved as Suarez, but gets dogs abuse on here.

My attitude is, they're gone and I couldn't give a F**k about players on other teams, which is all they are to me now.

Running round saying you don't give a fck makes your opinion no more valid than anyone else's , none of us knows what is is said or what goes on behind closed doors , it's a forum we,re all welcome to our own opinions  and that's all they are .

Running round saying you don't give a fck makes your opinion no more valid than anyone else's , none of us knows what is is said or what goes on behind closed doors , it's a forum we,re all welcome to our own opinions  and that's all they are .

Kindly point out where I said my opinion was more valid than anyone else's.

Or apologise for the lie.

Kindly point out where I said my opinion was more valid than anyone else's.

Or apologise for the lie.

I didn't say you said it did I , just pointed out no ones is more valid than another's  take a chill for someone who don't give a fck you come over very angry ,

I didn't say you said it did I , just pointed out no ones is more valid than another's  take a chill for someone who don't give a fck you come over very angry ,

Running round saying you don't give a fck makes your opinion no more valid than anyone else's

I think the inference is clear.

Another one for the ignore button.

I think the inference is clear.

Another one for the ignore button.

Do us both a favour that, save me the time of pressing it have a good day .

I very much doubt I'll be buying this book if this is the biggest headline to come out of it. Clearly Torres thinks we're all idiots if he's trying to spin it in another way.

S**t just got real, someone's breaking out the ignore button on a brother. 

While I fully believe there is a lot more to his departure and it's build up, how Torres went about it and where he went will always be a sore point for me. Loved the man to buts when he was here, never let myself get as attached to player after him, even Luis.

Not really arsed what he's up to anymore, don't wish him any ill thoughts, nor do I long for him back. He's just another generic modern day footballer to me now. G'luck Fernando.

I very much doubt I'll be buying this book if this is the biggest headline to come out of it. Clearly Torres thinks we're all idiots if he's trying to spin it in another way.

....and all for the filthy lucre.
His first (and only) attempt to put the record straight, not for the majority of supporters who were gutted when he upped and left , but for the sake of his bank balance.

It would appear Torres is as mercenary as many suspected.

I wouldn't mind betting that his first pressie for the chavs, was prepared by Maureen !

....and all for the filthy lucre.
His first (and only) attempt to put the record straight, not for the majority of supporters who were gutted when he upped and left for the sake of his bank balance.

It would appear Torres is as mercenary as many suspected.

I can only agree with you stuey,he lost all KOP crowd kudos the day he signed for Chelsea .

He wanted to win things. The club at the time was imploding. What else could he have done?

Exactly Kenny and when you take time to read what he said; the fact was Torres only raised the issue, of being unhappy and possibly wanting away, after  "Liverpool" had already opened secret talks with Chelsea.

It's all there mate and it's definitely well enough documented down the years - FSG's 'masterplan'... everyone from Torres, Suarez, Steven and Brendan Rodgers have all alluded to it - and no matter how some have been portrayed, they can't all be lying. The truth is none  of them are.... transition , year after year, have been down to policy - not Fernando Torres, not Luis Suarez and not Brendan Rodgers.

That said: Torres, like every player, (including those we have in the team now btw) will be drawn by either the potential for 'glory' [just like Jürgen said but everyone already knows] or 'money'. Money will attract them; titles will keep them. Chelsea offered Torres both as did Barcelona, with Masch & Suarez.

Remember... if he had really wanted to; John W could have asked "What are they smoking over at Stamford Bridge?" but he didn't because he needed the big bucks to fund the (non-football based) Policy and no other club could have afforded the £50m - that's why secret talks were opened. The club needed a 'baddy' at the time - sadly a waning Fernando Torres ticked that box amongst fans with ease.

The truth is; all  of our "big names", who moved on during our 'American' period, have struck it rich... count 'em medals and trophies... in under ten years we have become a stepping stone club. Nothing more, nothing less.

Six years, four managers, fifty new players, zero additional personal investment, six hundred million increase on investment but only one trophy: "winners"?...

... yeah Fernando Torres is the traitor   

The thing is; people can bury their heads and pretend they are oblivious to the truth all they want but if Jürgen can't bail them [FSG's investors] out with a title - there'll be a few more players (and maybe even managers) painted as 'baddies' before this is all over.

The penny, sometimes, has a long way to drop but it always gets there. This sh*t makes me angry; for that reason alone - I'm out of here. Good luck troops.   

Exactly Kenny and when you take time to read what he said; the fact was Torres only raised the issue, of being unhappy and possibly wanting away, after  "Liverpool" had already opened secret talks with Chelsea.

It's all there mate and it's definitely well enough documented down the years - FSG's 'masterplan'... everyone from Torres, Suarez, Steven and Brendan Rodgers have all alluded to it - and no matter how some have been portrayed, they can't all be lying. The truth is none  of them are.... periods of transition , year after year, have been down to policy - not Fernando Torres, not Luis Suarez and not Brendan Rodgers.

That said: Torres, like every player, (including those we have in the team now btw) will be drawn by either the potential for 'glory' [just like Jürgen said but everyone already knows] or 'money'. Money will attract them; titles will keep them. Chelsea offered Torres both as did Barcelona, with Masch & Suarez.

Remember... if he had really wanted to; John W could have asked "What are they smoking over at Stamford Bridge?" but he didn't because he needed the big bucks to fund the (non-football based) Policy and no other club could have afforded the £50m - that's why secret talks were opened. The club needed a 'baddy' at the time - sadly a waning Fernando Torres ticked that box amongst fans with ease.

The truth is; all  of our "big names", who moved on during our 'American' period, have struck it rich... count 'em medals and trophies... in under ten years we have become a stepping stone club. Nothing more, nothing less.

Six years, four managers, fifty new players, zero additional personal investment, six hundred million increase on investment but only one trophy: "winners"?...

... yeah Fernando Torres is the traitor   

The thing is; people can bury their heads and pretend they are oblivious to the truth all they want but if Jürgen can't bail them [our investors] out with a title - there'll be a few more players (and maybe even managers) painted as 'baddies' before this is all over.

The penny, sometimes, has a long way to drop but it always gets there. This sh*t makes me angry; for that reason alone - I'm out of here. Good luck troops. 

Crackin Post    + 1

Did the secret talks with Chelsea make him feel betrayed ...... is that what did his confidence and head in?
 

It was more of a rhetorical question mate, but thanks anyway

He is back playing with his boyhood team, the team he first gained his rep' I can't see what reason he would have to lie, it is not alike he has to face our supporters this or any foreseeable season, and look at what other ex-players were also saying around the same time...

Sorry mate this was not aimed at you, was merely reading your post at the time and pressed "Quote select" instead of "Reply"

He is back playing with his boyhood team, the team he first gained his rep' I can't see what reason he would have to lie, it is not alike he has to face our supporters this or any foreseeable season, and look at what other ex-players were also saying around the same time...

Sorry mate this was not aimed at you, was merely reading your post at the time and pressed "Quote select" instead of "Reply"

Personally, I'm not bothered if he lied or not, but the fact is, he said some pretty shitty things after he got his transfer.

Regardless of whether he felt "let down" or not, he really should have steered away from subjects like "I'm at a big club now".
That was never going to go down well with the fans, and he must have known that.

Personally, I'm not bothered if he lied or not, but the fact is, he said some pretty shitty things after he got his transfer.

Regardless of whether he felt "let down" or not, he really should have steered away from subjects like "I'm at a big club now".
That was never going to go down well with the fans, and he must have known that.

People say some shitty stuff  when they are bitter ,  after they find their bird has been shagging some one else ...  scuse the parlance.
If he did feel betrayed and was saying "what the f**k was this YNWA tattoo was about then " he was bound to lash out.

Our mistake is that we shouldn't have sold him to a PL rival.
 
We wouldn't have sold him to the Scum.

(Although Hodgson was always sleeping with the enemy in Fergie's Directors Box)


The other joke was on us.

Except for Luis ...we wasted the Torres money .

The truth is none  of them are.... transition , year after year, have been down to policy - not Fernando Torres, not Luis Suarez and not Brendan Rodgers.

Remember... if he had really wanted to; John W could have asked "What are they smoking over at Stamford Bridge?" but he didn't because he needed the big bucks to fund the (non-football based) Policy and no other club could have afforded the £50m - that's why secret talks were opened. The club needed a 'baddy' at the time - sadly a waning Fernando Torres ticked that box amongst fans with ease.

The truth is; all  of our "big names", who moved on during our 'American' period, have struck it rich... count 'em medals and trophies... in under ten years we have become a stepping stone club. Nothing more, nothing less.

Six years, four managers, fifty new players, zero additional personal investment, six hundred million increase on investment but only one trophy: "winners"?...

... yeah Fernando Torres is the traitor   
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The penny, sometimes, has a long way to drop but it always gets there. This sh*t makes me angry; for that reason alone - I'm out of here. Good luck troops.   

A nail in the head. +1.

In all honesty, with my little crystal ball that only me myself believes in, i can see it happening over and over again it's not gonna stop until we have a real investors that pump in its own money to get us back to our glory days. I only pity Klopp, he is expected to do what others failed.

I very much doubt I'll be buying this book if this is the biggest headline to come out of it. Clearly Torres thinks we're all idiots if he's trying to spin it in another way.

He's not trying to spin it though, didn't he promise to come out with this when he left. I personally think FSG are the spinners, happy to paint Torres as a traitor and all that bollocks and what sold it hook, line and sinker for FSG was Torres going to Chelsea saying that pr bullshit about joining a bigger club.

Let's make no mistake I'm sure FSG were F***ing well happy getting £50 million for Torres.

....and all for the filthy lucre.
His first (and only) attempt to put the record straight, not for the majority of supporters who were gutted when he upped and left , but for the sake of his bank balance.

It would appear Torres is as mercenary as many suspected.

He's not getting any money for this story, the book is not actually about Torres, but Liverpool!!

Exactly Kenny and when you take time to read what he said; the fact was Torres only raised the issue, of being unhappy and possibly wanting away, after  "Liverpool" had already opened secret talks with Chelsea.

It's all there mate and it's definitely well enough documented down the years - FSG's 'masterplan'... everyone from Torres, Suarez, Steven and Brendan Rodgers have all alluded to it - and no matter how some have been portrayed, they can't all be lying. The truth is none  of them are.... transition , year after year, have been down to policy - not Fernando Torres, not Luis Suarez and not Brendan Rodgers.

That said: Torres, like every player, (including those we have in the team now btw) will be drawn by either the potential for 'glory' [just like Jürgen said but everyone already knows] or 'money'. Money will attract them; titles will keep them. Chelsea offered Torres both as did Barcelona, with Masch & Suarez.

Remember... if he had really wanted to; John W could have asked "What are they smoking over at Stamford Bridge?" but he didn't because he needed the big bucks to fund the (non-football based) Policy and no other club could have afforded the £50m - that's why secret talks were opened. The club needed a 'baddy' at the time - sadly a waning Fernando Torres ticked that box amongst fans with ease.

The truth is; all  of our "big names", who moved on during our 'American' period, have struck it rich... count 'em medals and trophies... in under ten years we have become a stepping stone club. Nothing more, nothing less.

Six years, four managers, fifty new players, zero additional personal investment, six hundred million increase on investment but only one trophy: "winners"?...

... yeah Fernando Torres is the traitor   

The thing is; people can bury their heads and pretend they are oblivious to the truth all they want but if Jürgen can't bail them [FSG's investors] out with a title - there'll be a few more players (and maybe even managers) painted as 'baddies' before this is all over.

The penny, sometimes, has a long way to drop but it always gets there. This sh*t makes me angry; for that reason alone - I'm out of here. Good luck troops.   

F***ing good point that!

Personally, I'm not bothered if he lied or not, but the fact is, he said some pretty shitty things after he got his transfer.

Regardless of whether he felt "let down" or not, he really should have steered away from subjects like "I'm at a big club now".
That was never going to go down well with the fans, and he must have known that.

Ever thought he was hurt by the club's actions, hence that statement. To me now thinking back that was more a dig at the club than anything.

Ever thought he was hurt by the club's actions, hence that statement. To me now thinking back that was more a dig at the club than anything.

True, but as I posted before, the fans are the club and he knew that.

All water under the bridge now, except he wants to use this episode to sell a few more books.
I won't be buying it.

"Here we are five years later and they are still trying to build – around the same position in the league as when I left."

Don't care what your position is on Torres, but he's accurate as F**k here.

True, but as I posted before, the fans are the club and he knew that.

All water under the bridge now, except he wants to use this episode to sell a few more books.
I won't be buying it.

Buying what, it's not a book about him!!

It's a collection of stories about Liverpool players in 21st Century LFC, think the author is Simon Hughes.

Buying what, it's not a book about him!!

It's a collection of stories about Liverpool players in 21st Century LFC, think the author is Simon Hughes.

Fair enough.
Still won't be buying it.

He's not trying to spin it though, didn't he promise to come out with this when he left. I personally think FSG are the spinners, happy to paint Torres as a traitor and all that bollocks and what sold it hook, line and sinker for FSG was Torres going to Chelsea saying that pr bullshit about joining a bigger club.

Let's make no mistake I'm sure FSG were F***ing well happy getting £50 million for Torres.

He's not getting any money for this story, the book is not actually about Torres, but Liverpool!

Stand corrected mate.
Do still have reservations tho' about his comments and his motives.

I don't have a bad word to say about Torres, all those goals & free flowing attack with Gerrard by his side are the memories I have of him,makes me proud he was one of the best in a red Liverpool jersey..

Anfield was his spiritual home, once he was removed from his environment it never worked for him elsewhere, got the medals he craved but deep down I bet he wished it was with us.

Exactly Kenny and when you take time to read what he said; the fact was Torres only raised the issue, of being unhappy and possibly wanting away, after  "Liverpool" had already opened secret talks with Chelsea.

It's all there mate and it's definitely well enough documented down the years - FSG's 'masterplan'... everyone from Torres, Suarez, Steven and Brendan Rodgers have all alluded to it - and no matter how some have been portrayed, they can't all be lying. The truth is none  of them are.... transition , year after year, have been down to policy - not Fernando Torres, not Luis Suarez and not Brendan Rodgers.

That said: Torres, like every player, (including those we have in the team now btw) will be drawn by either the potential for 'glory' [just like Jürgen said but everyone already knows] or 'money'. Money will attract them; titles will keep them. Chelsea offered Torres both as did Barcelona, with Masch & Suarez.

Remember... if he had really wanted to; John W could have asked "What are they smoking over at Stamford Bridge?" but he didn't because he needed the big bucks to fund the (non-football based) Policy and no other club could have afforded the £50m - that's why secret talks were opened. The club needed a 'baddy' at the time - sadly a waning Fernando Torres ticked that box amongst fans with ease.

The truth is; all  of our "big names", who moved on during our 'American' period, have struck it rich... count 'em medals and trophies... in under ten years we have become a stepping stone club. Nothing more, nothing less.

Six years, four managers, fifty new players, zero additional personal investment, six hundred million increase on investment but only one trophy: "winners"?...

... yeah Fernando Torres is the traitor   

The thing is; people can bury their heads and pretend they are oblivious to the truth all they want but if Jürgen can't bail them [FSG's investors] out with a title - there'll be a few more players (and maybe even managers) painted as 'baddies' before this is all over.

The penny, sometimes, has a long way to drop but it always gets there. This sh*t makes me angry; for that reason alone - I'm out of here. Good luck troops.   

I think you've hit on so many important points there, that goes well beyond Torres. Extremely well posted, Bad Boy!