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      Howard Gayle: I needed mental resilience to survive as LFC's first black player
      Oct 04, 2016 06:30:08 pm
      https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/oct/03/howard-gayle-being-liverpool-first-black-player-was-difficult

      Very enlightening and eloquent read on the deeply entrenched racial attitudes of the time.

      Quite a shocking and disturbing read this however. Nice to see Souness come out well from this, but Tommy Smith - as great a player he was - is revealed to be a nasty piece of work. Very enlightening read on the deeply entrenched racial attitudes of the time.

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      Re: Howard Gayle: I needed mental resilience to survive as LFC's first black player
      Reply #1: Oct 04, 2016 07:06:18 pm
      I get asked the same question regularly: ‘What was the secret of Liverpool’s success?’

      Many of Liverpool’s players will answer similarly and talk about the simple intensity of the coaching, the training and the instructions: the degree of trust. All of that is true. Underlying everything, though, was the culture of one-upmanship.

      The importance of this cannot be underestimated. If a player could not deal with the mental challenges posed by all the characters at Melwood, he would fail and end up moving elsewhere.

      The intensity was fierce. The theory stated that if you could deal with the intensity of training against the best players in the country, day in, day out, matches would be easy. Likewise, if you could deal with the intensity of teasing that existed at Liverpool, no other team or individual was going to be able to take the piss during games.

      As the first black player, my situation was unique. I had to show a greater mental resilience to survive and succeed.

      There were black footballers after me who enjoyed a more successful time at Liverpool. After I left, John Barnes became the first black player to be signed by Liverpool from another club. He quickly earned the nickname of ‘Digger’, after Digger Barnes in the Dallas television series. Personally, I wouldn’t have accepted that because of its closeness to the ‘N’ word.

      Yet John and I had very different upbringings. While I was brought up in white Norris Green where there were very few black families and racism was a part of life, John lived in Jamaica around other black people. His family were reasonably wealthy and well respected in Kingston. John Barnes did not have to confront racism on a daily basis. For me, racism was the norm – the routine.

      I do not intend for my story to sound like one laced with self-pity. But I cannot ignore the reality. I had challenged all hostility towards me throughout my life. In Norris Green, I couldn’t afford to accept grey areas: the type of grey areas that existed in the humour at Melwood.

      Phil Thompson had a big nose so people took the piss out of him for that. David Fairclough had bright red hair, so he became a target. Me? I was black. I wasn’t accustomed to this type of humour. It was difficult to tell whether some of it was humour or whether it was really intended to offend. What is unacceptable language when it is passed off as banter?

      The culture at Liverpool dictated that I was expected to just allow it to go over my head and not take things so seriously. But it wasn’t in my make-up to let certain words get used without responding forcefully. So I came back at them. It contributed towards me getting the reputation as someone who had an attitude problem: someone who was reluctant to fit in.

      Attitudes towards me were mixed. The majority did not have a problem with a young black male entering an absolutely white environment. But I could sense my presence made some uncomfortable. This presented another problem. Some comments were made by those who I liked, those who did not mean any real harm. But even if I let those comments ride, would it create the impression for those with more entrenched views that it was OK to follow suit?

      I first became aware of intolerant attitudes at Melwood through people who didn’t realise I was close by and within earshot. Unacceptable phrases were used. It would happen in the canteen at Anfield. It would happen on the bus en route to training or games. Such language was delivered in jest. But I was not laughing.

      The racism was easier to take from the terraces because you reasoned it was down to your performance; you liked to think you were doing something right. Maybe that’s naïve: I was abused frequently, whether I played well or badly. When it comes from the people that you work with, though, it hurts. Because you don’t tolerate it and because you snap, the management perceives that as a weakness. How could they trust you to keep your calm in a pressure situation?

      Banter is an overused term in football – a term which can be used to disguise the way things really are. I’d barely said a word to anyone in my first few months at Liverpool when the first Christmas party came around.

      As part of my initiation to the group, it was arranged for a strippagram to perform a dance in front of me with the rest of the squad watching. The stripper covered herself in talcum powder and when she decided to bury my head between her breasts, my face was covered in white. Roy Chubby Brown was the compere at the party. When he said, ‘Try and walk through Toxteth now,’ his comment was met with raucous laughter. I felt uneasy with it. But in the spirit of the night, where everyone else was having the piss taken out of them by the comedian on the stage, I was able to laugh along with the joke.

      Tommy Smith presented my biggest problem at Liverpool. Tommy had been Liverpool’s captain and was known as the ‘Anfield Iron’. He had a fearsome reputation, playing nearly 650 games for Liverpool during 16 years at the club. He’d won four league titles and two FA Cups.

      The season before my arrival, he scored in the European Cup final victory over Borussia Monchengladbach, a goal I’d celebrated wildly like all Liverpool supporters. Tommy had been one of my heroes.

      Tommy Smith was brought up in the Scotland Road area of Liverpool which runs towards the city centre. Home to most of Liverpool’s migrant communities, ‘Scotty’ was almost a city within a city. It had four main migrant communities – Irish, Welsh, Scottish and Italian – as well as the native Lancastrian community and pockets of German and Polish.

      By the start of the twentieth century, Scotland Road became the centre of sectarian divisions, but with the demolition of slums after the end of the Second World War, families were rehoused to new council properties in areas like Kirkby, Huyton, Croxteth and, indeed, Norris Green, where I grew up. It left Scotland Road in steady decline. Those families that remained were predominantly white; attitudes towards those of ethnicity were hardened.

      Tommy Smith was a living legend. Liverpool’s supporters loved him and I was one of them. Yet quickly, I realised that there was a difference between the legend and the person.

      Tommy seemed bitter that his career was coming to an end. He seemed bitter that the captaincy had been taken away from him a couple of years before. He was replaced by Emlyn Hughes, who was a great Liverpool captain and one of the characters inside Liverpool’s dressing room whom I trusted.



      He was a difficult person to be around. He was irritable. I don’t think he had many friends inside the dressing room. I was young, I had an edge, I was different: I was black. Tommy never said that he didn’t like me. But that was my impression.

      During my first six months as a Liverpool player, I’d train mainly with the reserves, but I trained with the first team too. Tommy chipped away at me with comments. At first, I wondered whether he was testing me.

      Tommy went to play in the North American Soccer League in the summer of 1978 and, when he returned, signed for Swansea City. He didn’t want to move to Swansea, though. He lived in Crosby and continued to train at Melwood, travelling down to Wales at weekends to play games.

      Tommy lingered around like a bad smell. He was constantly trying to prove himself as the player he was before, even though his knees had gone. This must have frustrated him.

      I tried really hard in training. Tommy seemed a bit intimidated by that. One-on-one, I had the better of him: pushing the ball past him and chasing, like Bill Shankly had told me to do. Tommy tried to distract me by making nasty comments related to the colour of my skin. For a while, I somehow managed to restrain myself.

      I appreciated Tommy was a former Liverpool captain and a living legend. Here was me, a nothing. But my upbringing taught me that if you let something go once, everyone jumps on the bandwagon.

      What Tommy did affected me. For a period, I didn’t enjoy going to Melwood and my morale was really low. I told my brothers and they told me they’d accompany me to the training ground and fight him. Obviously I didn’t want that to happen, so I had to sort it out myself.

      Eventually, something was going to happen between us.

      On a cold November morning, I’d had enough. Some of the junior professionals, including myself, were invited to play at ‘Wembley’, the best patch of grass at Melwood, where the staff hosted matches at the end of training sessions. The younger players involved were expected to do all of the running for the older staff members.

      I received the ball, controlled it, and lashed a shot towards goal. Tommy Smith was on the other team and it hit him on the leg. It clearly stung and some of the other players started laughing. I had a smile on my face as well. I saw it as karma. Tommy responded with a tirade of abuse. It was ‘black this, black that’.

      The place went quiet. Everybody could hear it, including the staff. He was a legend. I was a nothing. Nobody said a word.

      I’d had enough of him: this bitter old man. So I went over and squared up: nose to nose. I looked at him dead in the eye. “You know what, Tommy; one night you’ll be taking a piss at home and I’ll be there waiting for you with a baseball bat,” I said, calmly. “And then we’ll see what you’ve got to say.” I wanted to start a fight with him. And then he walked away.

      I look back now and remember this moment as a real low point. I’d grown up loving Tommy Smith. He was a hero of Bill Shankly’s team. But you only see the player, the legend: the hero. You don’t know the person. From then on, he was no hero of mine. As a human being, Tommy Smith was a disappointment, a complete let-down.

      Graeme Souness was the only one that came over in the immediate aftermath. “Well done, Howard,” he said. “Tommy deserved that”. Graeme was a true leader.

      For weeks after the flashpoint with Tommy Smith, I waited for him to come back at me. Instead, he never spoke to me using racist language again. We have barely spoken since.

      The episode between us set the benchmark. Little comments may have been said behind my back but never directly to my face. Other people at Liverpool knew that I wasn’t afraid – that I’d take on anyone if I thought it was necessary.
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      Re: Howard Gayle: I needed mental resilience to survive as LFC's first black player
      Reply #2: Oct 04, 2016 07:18:20 pm
      Nice to see Souness come out well from this, but Tommy Smith - as great a player he was - is revealed to be scum of the earth.

      Scum of the Earth? Strong statement.

      Comes across as definitely bitter towards the end of his football career (which I think many of us were aware of and mad to think Swansea were happy with that training arrangement) but also appearing to hold the attitudes that sadly a majority probably did back then.
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      Re: Howard Gayle: I needed mental resilience to survive as LFC's first black player
      Reply #3: Oct 04, 2016 07:34:54 pm
      Scum of the Earth? Strong statement.

      Comes across as definitely bitter towards the end of his football career (which I think many of us were aware of and mad to think Swansea were happy with that training arrangement) but also appearing to hold the attitudes that sadly a majority probably did back then.

      Yeah, a bit too strong I admit at the time of writing. I've heard the stories of folk who know him personally and it's fairly vitriolic towards the man.

      How do such revelations affect people's view of him? Undoubtedly one of our greatest defenders but it really takes the shine off him. More of a rhetorical question for Liverpool supporters and any supporter of a football club, is it possible to separate the player from the man?
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      Re: Howard Gayle: I needed mental resilience to survive as LFC's first black player
      Reply #4: Oct 04, 2016 08:04:55 pm
      Yeah, a bit too strong I admit at the time of writing. I've heard the stories of folk who know him personally and it's fairly vitriolic towards the man.

      How do such revelations affect people's view of him? Undoubtedly one of our greatest defenders but it really takes the shine off him. More of a rhetorical question for Liverpool supporters and any supporter of a football club, is it possible to separate the player from the man?

      I've read his autobiography and he goes to town on Emlyn Hughes, didn't like him at all. Given Emlyn Hughes had passed it doesn't really sit right with me some of the things he said, he could have let it slide given he wasn't around to defend himself.

      Very good read though and I would recommend it!
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      Re: Howard Gayle: I needed mental resilience to survive as LFC's first black player
      Reply #5: Oct 04, 2016 08:11:46 pm

      What did he say about Howard Gayle?
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      Reply #6: Oct 04, 2016 09:44:31 pm
      What did he say about Howard Gayle?

      From memory I can't recall Gayle getting a mention, but it was a good few years ago that I read it to be fair.
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      Reply #7: Oct 04, 2016 11:50:49 pm
      I get asked the same question regularly: ‘What was the secret of Liverpool’s success?’

      Many of Liverpool’s players will answer similarly and talk about the simple intensity of the coaching, the training and the instructions: the degree of trust. All of that is true. Underlying everything, though, was the culture of one-upmanship.

      The importance of this cannot be underestimated. If a player could not deal with the mental challenges posed by all the characters at Melwood, he would fail and end up moving elsewhere.

      The intensity was fierce. The theory stated that if you could deal with the intensity of training against the best players in the country, day in, day out, matches would be easy. Likewise, if you could deal with the intensity of teasing that existed at Liverpool, no other team or individual was going to be able to take the piss during games.

      As the first black player, my situation was unique. I had to show a greater mental resilience to survive and succeed.

      There were black footballers after me who enjoyed a more successful time at Liverpool. After I left, John Barnes became the first black player to be signed by Liverpool from another club. He quickly earned the nickname of ‘Digger’, after Digger Barnes in the Dallas television series. Personally, I wouldn’t have accepted that because of its closeness to the ‘N’ word.

      Yet John and I had very different upbringings. While I was brought up in white Norris Green where there were very few black families and racism was a part of life, John lived in Jamaica around other black people. His family were reasonably wealthy and well respected in Kingston. John Barnes did not have to confront racism on a daily basis. For me, racism was the norm – the routine.

      I do not intend for my story to sound like one laced with self-pity. But I cannot ignore the reality. I had challenged all hostility towards me throughout my life. In Norris Green, I couldn’t afford to accept grey areas: the type of grey areas that existed in the humour at Melwood.

      Phil Thompson had a big nose so people took the piss out of him for that. David Fairclough had bright red hair, so he became a target. Me? I was black. I wasn’t accustomed to this type of humour. It was difficult to tell whether some of it was humour or whether it was really intended to offend. What is unacceptable language when it is passed off as banter?

      The culture at Liverpool dictated that I was expected to just allow it to go over my head and not take things so seriously. But it wasn’t in my make-up to let certain words get used without responding forcefully. So I came back at them. It contributed towards me getting the reputation as someone who had an attitude problem: someone who was reluctant to fit in.

      Attitudes towards me were mixed. The majority did not have a problem with a young black male entering an absolutely white environment. But I could sense my presence made some uncomfortable. This presented another problem. Some comments were made by those who I liked, those who did not mean any real harm. But even if I let those comments ride, would it create the impression for those with more entrenched views that it was OK to follow suit?

      I first became aware of intolerant attitudes at Melwood through people who didn’t realise I was close by and within earshot. Unacceptable phrases were used. It would happen in the canteen at Anfield. It would happen on the bus en route to training or games. Such language was delivered in jest. But I was not laughing.

      The racism was easier to take from the terraces because you reasoned it was down to your performance; you liked to think you were doing something right. Maybe that’s naïve: I was abused frequently, whether I played well or badly. When it comes from the people that you work with, though, it hurts. Because you don’t tolerate it and because you snap, the management perceives that as a weakness. How could they trust you to keep your calm in a pressure situation?

      Banter is an overused term in football – a term which can be used to disguise the way things really are. I’d barely said a word to anyone in my first few months at Liverpool when the first Christmas party came around.

      As part of my initiation to the group, it was arranged for a strippagram to perform a dance in front of me with the rest of the squad watching. The stripper covered herself in talcum powder and when she decided to bury my head between her breasts, my face was covered in white. Roy Chubby Brown was the compere at the party. When he said, ‘Try and walk through Toxteth now,’ his comment was met with raucous laughter. I felt uneasy with it. But in the spirit of the night, where everyone else was having the piss taken out of them by the comedian on the stage, I was able to laugh along with the joke.

      Tommy Smith presented my biggest problem at Liverpool. Tommy had been Liverpool’s captain and was known as the ‘Anfield Iron’. He had a fearsome reputation, playing nearly 650 games for Liverpool during 16 years at the club. He’d won four league titles and two FA Cups.

      The season before my arrival, he scored in the European Cup final victory over Borussia Monchengladbach, a goal I’d celebrated wildly like all Liverpool supporters. Tommy had been one of my heroes.

      Tommy Smith was brought up in the Scotland Road area of Liverpool which runs towards the city centre. Home to most of Liverpool’s migrant communities, ‘Scotty’ was almost a city within a city. It had four main migrant communities – Irish, Welsh, Scottish and Italian – as well as the native Lancastrian community and pockets of German and Polish.

      By the start of the twentieth century, Scotland Road became the centre of sectarian divisions, but with the demolition of slums after the end of the Second World War, families were rehoused to new council properties in areas like Kirkby, Huyton, Croxteth and, indeed, Norris Green, where I grew up. It left Scotland Road in steady decline. Those families that remained were predominantly white; attitudes towards those of ethnicity were hardened.

      Tommy Smith was a living legend. Liverpool’s supporters loved him and I was one of them. Yet quickly, I realised that there was a difference between the legend and the person.

      Tommy seemed bitter that his career was coming to an end. He seemed bitter that the captaincy had been taken away from him a couple of years before. He was replaced by Emlyn Hughes, who was a great Liverpool captain and one of the characters inside Liverpool’s dressing room whom I trusted.



      He was a difficult person to be around. He was irritable. I don’t think he had many friends inside the dressing room. I was young, I had an edge, I was different: I was black. Tommy never said that he didn’t like me. But that was my impression.

      During my first six months as a Liverpool player, I’d train mainly with the reserves, but I trained with the first team too. Tommy chipped away at me with comments. At first, I wondered whether he was testing me.

      Tommy went to play in the North American Soccer League in the summer of 1978 and, when he returned, signed for Swansea City. He didn’t want to move to Swansea, though. He lived in Crosby and continued to train at Melwood, travelling down to Wales at weekends to play games.

      Tommy lingered around like a bad smell. He was constantly trying to prove himself as the player he was before, even though his knees had gone. This must have frustrated him.

      I tried really hard in training. Tommy seemed a bit intimidated by that. One-on-one, I had the better of him: pushing the ball past him and chasing, like Bill Shankly had told me to do. Tommy tried to distract me by making nasty comments related to the colour of my skin. For a while, I somehow managed to restrain myself.

      I appreciated Tommy was a former Liverpool captain and a living legend. Here was me, a nothing. But my upbringing taught me that if you let something go once, everyone jumps on the bandwagon.

      What Tommy did affected me. For a period, I didn’t enjoy going to Melwood and my morale was really low. I told my brothers and they told me they’d accompany me to the training ground and fight him. Obviously I didn’t want that to happen, so I had to sort it out myself.

      Eventually, something was going to happen between us.

      On a cold November morning, I’d had enough. Some of the junior professionals, including myself, were invited to play at ‘Wembley’, the best patch of grass at Melwood, where the staff hosted matches at the end of training sessions. The younger players involved were expected to do all of the running for the older staff members.

      I received the ball, controlled it, and lashed a shot towards goal. Tommy Smith was on the other team and it hit him on the leg. It clearly stung and some of the other players started laughing. I had a smile on my face as well. I saw it as karma. Tommy responded with a tirade of abuse. It was ‘black this, black that’.

      The place went quiet. Everybody could hear it, including the staff. He was a legend. I was a nothing. Nobody said a word.

      I’d had enough of him: this bitter old man. So I went over and squared up: nose to nose. I looked at him dead in the eye. “You know what, Tommy; one night you’ll be taking a piss at home and I’ll be there waiting for you with a baseball bat,” I said, calmly. “And then we’ll see what you’ve got to say.” I wanted to start a fight with him. And then he walked away.

      I look back now and remember this moment as a real low point. I’d grown up loving Tommy Smith. He was a hero of Bill Shankly’s team. But you only see the player, the legend: the hero. You don’t know the person. From then on, he was no hero of mine. As a human being, Tommy Smith was a disappointment, a complete let-down.

      Graeme Souness was the only one that came over in the immediate aftermath. “Well done, Howard,” he said. “Tommy deserved that”. Graeme was a true leader.

      For weeks after the flashpoint with Tommy Smith, I waited for him to come back at me. Instead, he never spoke to me using racist language again. We have barely spoken since.

      The episode between us set the benchmark. Little comments may have been said behind my back but never directly to my face. Other people at Liverpool knew that I wasn’t afraid – that I’d take on anyone if I thought it was necessary.

      Good read, that. He made his point in the end to Tommy Smith in a way that ended the abuse. Good for him.
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      Re: Howard Gayle: I needed mental resilience to survive as LFC's first black player
      Reply #8: Oct 05, 2016 10:43:54 am
      Regarding the 'digger' reference to Barnes, is Gayle right referring to the 'N' word & is that word still used openly in pubs in Liverpool as though it's ok to?.
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      Reply #9: Oct 05, 2016 11:05:11 am
      That was a good read.

      It's a shame some of our fan base still hold such ignorant and bigoted views when our club and first team has moved on so much from this point.
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      Re: Howard Gayle: I needed mental resilience to survive as LFC's first black player
      Reply #10: Oct 05, 2016 11:39:02 am
      Good read but I'm not surprised by any of it, it was 40 odd years ago.

      I'm glad there has been endless 'kick it out' campaigns since and football has changed a lot since then but the attitude of Tommy Smith was no different to the majority of players/people at that time. Its sad to think it but its true.

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      Reply #11: Oct 09, 2016 11:46:35 am
      Regarding the 'digger' reference to Barnes, is Gayle right referring to the 'N' word & is that word still used openly in pubs in Liverpool as though it's ok to?.

      He was a clearly called Digger, which was as stated, representative of Digger Barnes off the telly. If the fella was called ' sammy barnes'
      John barnes would have likely been nick named 'Sammy.'
       Why the F**k do people read things that are not there.
      As for Tommy Smith being the scum of the earth. You had to live in the time and the environment to understand the vitriol that was bandied about. I'm not saying it was right, but it was what it was. Don't forget the black community had their own slang insults for the white community as well.
      I have a very close black pal, quite a few in fact, but one in particular who I grew up with, when his family moved to my neighbourhood, from Barbados, and he and his brother joined the primary school where i went when we were 9 years old.
      Can you believe that in the first dinner break, because he said something that wasn't favourable, about 6 lads stood and threw stones at the two brothers continually. F***ing madness. I and a couple of others intervened, and myself and Jaz, have been mates ever since.
      If we ever had any heated disagreements about anything, he was a black b***ard, and I got called white trash, or a F***ing cauliflower head.
       Hey... we are still bast of mates and we are in our 65th year.
      As for the N word .... was never used or deemed necessary.
       Die straights, Brothers in arms. 'We only have one world, but we live in different ones.' How true that is. Especially as time moves on.
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      Re: Howard Gayle: I needed mental resilience to survive as LFC's first black player
      Reply #12: Oct 09, 2016 11:56:41 am
      Quote from Son Of A Gun on October 04, 2016, 06:30:08 pm
      Nice to see Souness come out well from this, but Tommy Smith - as great a player he was - is revealed to be scum of the earth.
      Strong statement indeed. I'm left wondering how old you are and did you actually live through the past racial issues, or are you just saying something that you think is appropriate.? It's what it was, its behind us, and I'm sure Tommy Smith was not alone, as Howard Gayle will probably testify.
       Paisley once said to Shanks when a particular game wasn't going so well. "I think he's snookered on the black"
      Is he scum of the earth as well ?
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      Re: Howard Gayle: I needed mental resilience to survive as LFC's first black player
      Reply #13: Oct 10, 2016 01:45:15 pm
      He was a clearly called Digger, which was as stated, representative of Digger Barnes off the telly. If the fella was called ' sammy barnes'
      John barnes would have likely been nick named 'Sammy.'
       Why the f**k do people read things that are not there.
      As for Tommy Smith being the scum of the earth. You had to live in the time and the environment to understand the vitriol that was bandied about. I'm not saying it was right, but it was what it was. Don't forget the black community had their own slang insults for the white community as well.
      I have a very close black pal, quite a few in fact, but one in particular who I grew up with, when his family moved to my neighbourhood, from Barbados, and he and his brother joined the primary school where i went when we were 9 years old.
      Can you believe that in the first dinner break, because he said something that wasn't favourable, about 6 lads stood and threw stones at the two brothers continually. F***ing madness. I and a couple of others intervened, and myself and Jaz, have been mates ever since.
      If we ever had any heated disagreements about anything, he was a black b***ard, and I got called white trash, or a f**king cauliflower head.
       Hey... we are still bast of mates and we are in our 65th year.
      As for the N word .... was never used or deemed necessary.
       Die straights, Brothers in arms. 'We only have one world, but we live in different ones.' How true that is. Especially as time moves on.

      I believe the name Digger has more behind it than the fact he looked like Digger Barnes. Am I looking for something that's not there? Or are you ignoring something that is? We wouldn't know without being there would we.

      I think when you have a personal relationship with someone you can call them whatever you want because you obviously know the boundaries that you don't cross and you have a relationship with them. Somethings you would say to your friend you probably wouldn't say to a bunch of strangers.
       Clearly Howard Gayle didn't have a good relationship with Tommy Smith so it sounds as though the things Tommy said to him had some malice behind them, why else would he of brought it up?

      "That's how it was back then" doesn't mean it was any easier for Howard Gayle being the first black Liverpool player which is exactly what this story is about so I don't really see what point you're trying to make?
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      Reply #14: Oct 10, 2016 11:18:59 pm
      "That's how it was back then" doesn't mean it was any easier for Howard Gayle being the first black Liverpool player which is exactly what this story is about so I don't really see what point you're trying to make?
      I'm not suggesting anything of Howard Gayles personal take on things. Think we all know how difficult things were for the black community back then. What i'm saying is, people who weren't there, or connected in any way to those events, seem to like making things appear to be worse than they really were. On an individual level I mean, not in general. But hey ho, that's only my take on it, we clearly have different opinions, Thats cool.
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      Re: Howard Gayle: I needed mental resilience to survive as LFC's first black player
      Reply #15: Oct 14, 2016 09:18:14 am
      I think Howard would have needed mental resilience to survive being the first Black player at any club, back then, if we're being honest.

      Life and attitudes move on as we learn and grow. Things, as Howard described, wouldn't be tolerated now.

      Sadly you still have groups who thrive on sectarianism and hatred (revel in it in fact) but the truth is; most individuals have the mental capacity to understand right from wrong.

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