Liverpool in advanced talks with Steven Gerrard over role at LFC academy.

WTF  is Brendan Rodgers going on about today ...  Stevie going to Celtic ?

F Off Rodgers   . Stevie's blood runs Red not Green.

Ran green at one point on the bench at Madrid

Kevin Keegan works for Liverpool?

What I thought too when my mate sent the Daily Fail link...

Any idea how long he has been representing us as an ambassador?..

So many greats in the past have proved that great players don't even make half decent coaches.

Would be good to have a local legend in the coaching ranks inspiring the youngsters however I have a feeling the way football has moved the odds are against him.

Good post.

Found myself in full agreement, especially this part:

BTW it's Xabi ya bell whiff. 

Thing is, you'll know I know that and that it was a bit of a brain fart.

Would hate to be a bad sweat and still not be able to do simple quotes on a football forum, though...

Ye bell whiffer.

If Rafa wants him at Newcastle, I think that'd be a terrific move for Stevie. If a solid education is his main aim, then a few years learning off one of the best tactical managers in the world would do him no harm. Being at a club where he would be judged on his coaching ability and not his history at the club could help him no end in the long run, also.

Either way, got no qualms about him being Inglethorpe's understudy. Working his way up the ranks and developing his coaching skills. Win, win for all.

MK Dons eh

https://twitter.com/BBCSport/status/799291568658096128

Part time role with the academy acting as a base for him to do his qualifications is a situation that is fine. The gripe here is the 'job for the boys' sort of attitude that some felt he could just saunter into Melwood and be the equal of Buvac and Linders despite having not a slither of the qualifications they possess (I won't bother entertaining the views of those who think he should come back in a playing capacity).

It doesn't matter whether it is Gerrard, Alonso or Reina or Uncle Tom Cobley - if you don't have the qualifications you shouldn't be the beneficiary of such privilege. England is a nation where the opportunities available for so many passionate about the game is almost non existent because of the disgraceful cost the FA insists on imposing with regards to qualifications. What you do in one career as a player, regardless of how great they are like Gerrard, should not determine how you progress in another career. It's a blunt position to take but no more. Where people get the idea that such an opinion is derived from personal jealousy or dislike of the guy is just not true.

What I fail to understand - time and time and time again - is this belief that Gerrard could offer something different from those guys.

'Inspiration' to the players I keep hearing (as if this current lot need inspiration considering the way they are playing....)? I don't know whether people are deliberately being flippant about this, or genuinely trivialise the importance of the assistant coaches roles, but I just find it hard to believe that the tactical and analytical minds of Buvac and Krawietz could be usurped by a Gerrard inspirational team talk.

Screaming "I lead the way at Istanbul I did!!" and punching the dressing room wall is hardly going to hold much sway compared to in depth knowledge and measured approach in how to exploit the oppositions two deep banks of four. Too many are swayed by this idea that football is just a gladiatorial sport with rousing, commanding speeches that instils pride in the players, and as such, is a quality that is sufficient enough for them to annihilate the opposition. There's absolutely no consideration for nuance in some supporters ideas of a coach. What makes this perception amongst some fans even more bizarre is the fact that some of our most commanding performances of all time came under the managerial reign of a Spanish manager with no previous connections who was cold, calculated and wholly rational.

I don't recall any tales of him ever puffing his chest out and reciting the words of Rudyard Kipling's 'If' to the players in the dressing room.

Part time role at the academy would be perfect - all the best managers started at the bottom rung of the ladder. The flexibility this would offer for Gerrard to complete his qualifications and learn methods outside of Liverpool (whether abroad with different footballing cultures, thus broadening his horizons, or potentially linking up with Rafa at Newcastle as I'm sure he teach him great lessons) would be priceless for him.

I don't want him to take that MK Dons job - it is far too soon, and we don't want to see him bomb, especially considering the risks far outweigh the positives. If that happens, it will be all over before it even began - and nobody wants that to happen. I want to see him prepare himself thoroughly before even considering a managerial role. He's Mr Liverpool but that doesn't automatically mean he knows the pathway for future success - if only it were that easy, then we'd see Roy Keane or Ryan Giggs being hired as Man Utd manager. He's still got a lot to learn and he's still got a lot to prove, but once he learns it and proves it, he can come back to the club to coach in a more substantial capacity.

Interesting thread. I have a question.

For such a beloved player, there is still this...I think undercurrent is too strong a word....but there is some circle of opinion I've noticed far before I ever discovered this forum, that seems to snipe at Stevie. It's never quite defined what the problem is, but I see these inferences (more than direct statements) that there is something not quite right, not quite honorable, about him - and I don't understand what it is. The most direct things I can recall are the glee that some people seemed to take in the slip, including the exaggeration of that moment's role in the team not winning the title that year, and the guy who does the funny cartoons in The Guardian portraying him as something of an egomaniac.

He strikes me as pretty much a model citizen from a football playing perspective, and very dedicated to Liverpool. I know there was an incident in a nightclub many, many years ago but I think that was more about his mates wasn't it?

So what am I missing? What is the reason some people, even among Liverpool support apparently, seem to have this reservation about Gerrard?

By the way, agree with what Debs said about starting at the Academy being the right fit for Stevie, and also with SoG about not taking the MK Dons gig.

Interesting thread. I have a question.

For such a beloved player, there is still this...I think undercurrent is too strong a word....but there is some circle of opinion I've noticed far before I ever discovered this forum, that seems to snipe at Stevie. It's never quite defined what the problem is, but I see these inferences (more than direct statements) that there is something not quite right, not quite honorable, about him - and I don't understand what it is. The most direct things I can recall are the glee that some people seemed to take in the slip, including the exaggeration of that moment's role in the team not winning the title that year, and the guy who does the funny cartoons in The Guardian portraying him as something of an egomaniac.

He strikes me as pretty much a model citizen from a football playing perspective, and very dedicated to Liverpool. I know there was an incident in a nightclub many, many years ago but I think that was more about his mates wasn't it?

So what am I missing? What is the reason some people, even among Liverpool support apparently, seem to have this reservation about Gerrard?

By the way, agree with what Debs said about starting at the Academy being the right fit for Stevie, and also with SoG about not taking the MK Dons gig.

He was and is a great servant of LFC, the vast majority have not got a bad word to say about Steven Gerrard.

Interesting thread. I have a question.

For such a beloved player, there is still this...I think undercurrent is too strong a word....but there is some circle of opinion I've noticed far before I ever discovered this forum, that seems to snipe at Stevie. It's never quite defined what the problem is, but I see these inferences (more than direct statements) that there is something not quite right, not quite honorable, about him - and I don't understand what it is. The most direct things I can recall are the glee that some people seemed to take in the slip, including the exaggeration of that moment's role in the team not winning the title that year, and the guy who does the funny cartoons in The Guardian portraying him as something of an egomaniac.

He strikes me as pretty much a model citizen from a football playing perspective, and very dedicated to Liverpool. I know there was an incident in a nightclub many, many years ago but I think that was more about his mates wasn't it?

So what am I missing? What is the reason some people, even among Liverpool support apparently, seem to have this reservation about Gerrard?

By the way, agree with what Debs said about starting at the Academy being the right fit for Stevie, and also with SoG about not taking the MK Dons gig.

The only thing you're "mising" fella is perspective.

Opinions are like arseholes - everybody has one and an arsehole has two.............don't take it too seriously.

Interesting thread. I have a question.

For such a beloved player, there is still this...I think undercurrent is too strong a word....but there is some circle of opinion I've noticed far before I ever discovered this forum, that seems to snipe at Stevie. It's never quite defined what the problem is, but I see these inferences (more than direct statements) that there is something not quite right, not quite honorable, about him - and I don't understand what it is. The most direct things I can recall are the glee that some people seemed to take in the slip, including the exaggeration of that moment's role in the team not winning the title that year, and the guy who does the funny cartoons in The Guardian portraying him as something of an egomaniac.

He strikes me as pretty much a model citizen from a football playing perspective, and very dedicated to Liverpool. I know there was an incident in a nightclub many, many years ago but I think that was more about his mates wasn't it?

So what am I missing? What is the reason some people, even among Liverpool support apparently, seem to have this reservation about Gerrard?

By the way, agree with what Debs said about starting at the Academy being the right fit for Stevie, and also with SoG about not taking the MK Dons gig.

There is quite legitimate questions surrounding his judgement and lack of objectivity considering the reactions against his autobiography that was released last year - which casts doubts over his intelligence to deal with a managerial role. Throwing out digs to Rafa while expressing his admiration of the cretinous Mourinho, and ultimately failing to stand up to Rafa's 'facts' rant, and therefore pandering to the negative media portrayal of the man (which was 'embarrassing' to Gerrard and 'derailed the title bid' despite the team averaging more points after this episode - true FACTS that Gerrard can't grasp). Rafa's actions were 'not the Liverpool Way' he moaned, yet Mourinho's crime sheet was conveniently ignored when he claimed that 'he should have been Liverpool manager'.

This understandably did him a lot of damage amongst the Liverpool following, certainly against a man who epitomised the Liverpool Way like Rafa did, what with his heroics in guiding Liverpool to the European Cup final and winning it, efforts against Hicks & Gillett, the charity initiatives and the general service he gave to the entire city.

How you could infer it is suspicions surrounding the horrifically unlucky slip is beyond me - the snideness is quite legitimate reasons completely unconnected to that incident and that is primarily why Gerrard has to prove he's got what it takes. His autobiography only increased susceptibility over his ability to be a top level coach. Read it - it sadly adds up to nothing more than unsubstantiated bollocks.

Some people seem to think that objective criticism of Gerrard is a complete slight on the man himself and that it is evidence of a concealed hatred of the man. It gets to the stage where any slight criticism is suddenly an undermining of all that he achieved for us. It isn't. Because of his heroic status, some people seem to think he is infallible to criticism. Absolutely nobody is infallible to criticisms. He is not a deity - he is a human being who has his faults, and he chose to express some incredibly ill informed opinions in his autobiography. If any other ex-player with less stature than Gerrard had trawled this out in an autobiography, there would have been - quite legitimate - uproar.

I think these three replies compared to one another give more understanding than any of them on their own. I'm just going to back away slowly and consider not asking for any enlightenment about anything on here anymore. Safer that way.

There is quite legitimate questions surrounding his judgement and lack of objectivity considering the reactions against his autobiography that was released last year - which casts doubts over his intelligence to deal with a managerial role. Throwing out digs to Rafa while expressing his admiration of the cretinous Mourinho, and ultimately failing to stand up to Rafa's 'facts' rant, and therefore pandering to the negative media portrayal of the man (which was 'embarrassing' to Gerrard and 'derailed the title bid' despite the team averaging more points after this episode - true FACTS that Gerrard can't grasp). Rafa's actions were 'not the Liverpool Way' he moaned, yet Mourinho's crime sheet was conveniently ignored when he claimed that 'he should have been Liverpool manager'.

This understandably did him a lot of damage amongst the Liverpool following, certainly against a man who epitomised the Liverpool Way like Rafa did, what with his heroics in guiding Liverpool to the European Cup final and winning it, efforts against Hicks & Gillett, the charity initiatives and the general service he gave to the entire city.

How you could infer it is suspicions surrounding the horrifically unlucky slip is beyond me - the snideness is quite legitimate reasons completely unconnected to that incident and that is primarily why Gerrard has to prove he's got what it takes. His autobiography only increased susceptibility over his ability to be a top level coach. Read it - it sadly adds up to nothing more than unsubstantiated bollocks.

Some people seem to think that objective criticism of Gerrard is a complete slight on the man himself and that it is evidence of a concealed hatred of the man. It gets to the stage where any slight criticism is suddenly an undermining of all that he achieved for us. It isn't. Because of his heroic status, some people seem to think he is infallible to criticism. Absolutely nobody is infallible to criticisms. He is not a deity - he is a human being who has his faults, and he chose to express some incredibly ill informed opinions in his autobiography. If any other ex-player with less stature than Gerrard had trawled this out in an autobiography, there would have been - quite legitimate - uproar.

Got to say that's a great post and fair assessment.

I like the idea of him being given a role in which his experiences and stature can have a positive impact on the future generation. After that only an ambassadorial role is where I would want him. As much as I love the lad SoaG is spot on with the pandering to the press comments. Gerrard has always come across as very beige and aside from the Joe Cole/Lionel Messi comparison type comments I've a strong feeling that he would be a sh*te manager.

There is quite legitimate questions surrounding his judgement and lack of objectivity considering the reactions against his autobiography that was released last year - which casts doubts over his intelligence to deal with a managerial role. Throwing out digs to Rafa while expressing his admiration of the cretinous Mourinho, and ultimately failing to stand up to Rafa's 'facts' rant, and therefore pandering to the negative media portrayal of the man (which was 'embarrassing' to Gerrard and 'derailed the title bid' despite the team averaging more points after this episode - true FACTS that Gerrard can't grasp). Rafa's actions were 'not the Liverpool Way' he moaned, yet Mourinho's crime sheet was conveniently ignored when he claimed that 'he should have been Liverpool manager'.

This understandably did him a lot of damage amongst the Liverpool following, certainly against a man who epitomised the Liverpool Way like Rafa did, what with his heroics in guiding Liverpool to the European Cup final and winning it, efforts against Hicks & Gillett, the charity initiatives and the general service he gave to the entire city.

How you could infer it is suspicions surrounding the horrifically unlucky slip is beyond me - the snideness is quite legitimate reasons completely unconnected to that incident and that is primarily why Gerrard has to prove he's got what it takes. His autobiography only increased susceptibility over his ability to be a top level coach. Read it - it sadly adds up to nothing more than unsubstantiated bollocks.

Some people seem to think that objective criticism of Gerrard is a complete slight on the man himself and that it is evidence of a concealed hatred of the man. It gets to the stage where any slight criticism is suddenly an undermining of all that he achieved for us. It isn't. Because of his heroic status, some people seem to think he is infallible to criticism. Absolutely nobody is infallible to criticisms. He is not a deity - he is a human being who has his faults, and he chose to express some incredibly ill informed opinions in his autobiography. If any other ex-player with less stature than Gerrard had trawled this out in an autobiography, there would have been - quite legitimate - uproar.

Did the comments in his autobiography affect the club in any way?
The answer is a resounding 'no'.
Why there should be any talk of criticism on an LFC forum is puzzling, it really is scratching about in an attempt to sully the player's image.

Why there should be any talk of criticism on an LFC forum is puzzling, it really is scratching about in an attempt to sully the player's image.

Wow. Just...wow. Just hoping to learn/understand something is all. Seemed like the perfect place to that in a friendly, not-too-noise environment. He's my favorite LFC player of all time.

Wow. Just...wow. Just hoping to learn/understand something is all. Seemed like the perfect place to that in a friendly, not-too-noise environment. He's my favorite LFC player of all time.

Nothing friendly about Stuey, he's that new class of moron who gets offended about everything. You ask away my friend, most on here will debate and answer any question with an open, if slightly rose tinted, style.

As for Stevie G he was a superb player but I always has questions about his character, I still do.

Wow. Just...wow. Just hoping to learn/understand something is all. Seemed like the perfect place to that in a friendly, not-too-noise environment. He's my favorite LFC player of all time.

Not an unfriendly response whatever, which is what you imply.
You and others present a proposition of Steven Gerrard which is unacceptable to the majority, the fierce replies are a measure of the depth of feeling and support for a legend.

Questioning the credibility of your 'favorite player of all time' does seem a contradiction.

Anyone in their 30's that likes Phil F***ing Collins,should have their credibility questioned at all times. And i wonder if there's any connection with him making records again and Gerrard coming back?

Anyone in their 30's that likes Phil F***ing Collins,should have their credibility questioned at all times. And i wonder if there's any connection with him making records again and Gerrard coming back?

Depends what your smoking mate.

There is quite legitimate questions surrounding his judgement and lack of objectivity considering the reactions against his autobiography that was released last year - which casts doubts over his intelligence to deal with a managerial role. Throwing out digs to Rafa while expressing his admiration of the cretinous Mourinho, and ultimately failing to stand up to Rafa's 'facts' rant, and therefore pandering to the negative media portrayal of the man (which was 'embarrassing' to Gerrard and 'derailed the title bid' despite the team averaging more points after this episode - true FACTS that Gerrard can't grasp). Rafa's actions were 'not the Liverpool Way' he moaned, yet Mourinho's crime sheet was conveniently ignored when he claimed that 'he should have been Liverpool manager'.

This understandably did him a lot of damage amongst the Liverpool following, certainly against a man who epitomised the Liverpool Way like Rafa did, what with his heroics in guiding Liverpool to the European Cup final and winning it, efforts against Hicks & Gillett, the charity initiatives and the general service he gave to the entire city.

How you could infer it is suspicions surrounding the horrifically unlucky slip is beyond me - the snideness is quite legitimate reasons completely unconnected to that incident and that is primarily why Gerrard has to prove he's got what it takes. His autobiography only increased susceptibility over his ability to be a top level coach. Read it - it sadly adds up to nothing more than unsubstantiated bollocks.

Some people seem to think that objective criticism of Gerrard is a complete slight on the man himself and that it is evidence of a concealed hatred of the man. It gets to the stage where any slight criticism is suddenly an undermining of all that he achieved for us. It isn't. Because of his heroic status, some people seem to think he is infallible to criticism. Absolutely nobody is infallible to criticisms. He is not a deity - he is a human being who has his faults, and he chose to express some incredibly ill informed opinions in his autobiography. If any other ex-player with less stature than Gerrard had trawled this out in an autobiography, there would have been - quite legitimate - uproar.

Done more for this club than most mate, and if you don't like his opinion so be it, but I reckon he wasn't the only one in the dressing room at the time who raised his eyebrows when Rafa said what he said.

Anyone questioning Rafa gets the cold shoulder from a minority, but its all very daft. Course he is welcome back at Liverpool, and of course Klopp will make it work for everyone.

Imagine if Michael Owen or Danny Murphy had come out saying how much they'd love to have played under Mourinho and that Rafa's 'facts' rant detailed Liverpool's title bid in 2009?

Legend or not it was a stupendously bullshit thing to say and an insult to the man who did so much for his career and status.

There's absolutely nothing to "not" like about that arrangement mate, it was the suggestions by some that he should come back to play or be offered a coaching role with the 1st team that people were against.

This role is what everyone would welcome, starting at the bottom whilst he gains his badges and the experience he'll need before being offered anything more senior.

He proved himself as a great player, he now needs to prove himself as a great coach.

I think the perfect place for him is working with Stevie Heighway, Heighway is steeped in Liverpool traditions and brought Stevie up alongside others like Carra, Owen, etc , Inglethorpe sought out Heighway to come back and oversee proceedings at the 'academy' or Youth Development Centre as he prefers to call it,

Working with Steve will give Stevie all the knowledge he needs to advance his post football career, and of course bring with it the continuity we had in our hey days, Shanks to Paisley to Fagan to Kenny, ...

It is of course up to Stevie himself, but I believe the chance to have a say in the future of Liverpool will prove too much of a pull for him to go elsewhere, he will without question be a fantastic influence on the young lads he will work with, this is another piece of the rebuilding. Another step in the right direction,

It's a no brainer, we are already in fantastic shape both on and off the pitch, from Klopp to the heroines with the teapots, the Youth development centre at Kirkby, and at Melwood of course,

I don't know about anyone else, but after yrs of uncertainty, yrs of struggle it seemed, we as a club are ticking all the right boxes, and it feels absolutely fanatastic being a Liverpool FC fan , all we are waiting for now is the silverware , the titles, to come trickling thru the door.

BOSS THA !!!


YNWA

Imagine if Michael Owen or Danny Murphy had come out saying how much they'd love to have played under Mourinho and that Rafa's 'facts' rant detailed Liverpool's title bid in 2009?

Legend or not it was a stupendously bullshit thing to say and an insult to the man who did so much for his career and status.

Then add in the fact he said Hodgson was an excellent manager, as did Carragher.

Footballers say stupid things.
It's not really a shock, but the way different players are treated might be to some, particularly when you look at the difference between how Suarez and Sterling are talked about.
One of them shat on the club, not once, but twice, and the other said nothing (but his agent had a lot to say). One of them is still treated as a hero despite shitting on the club, and the other has the piss ripped out of him at every turn, and is called every name under the sun.

I think the perfect place for him is working with Stevie Heighway, Heighway is steeped in Liverpool traditions and brought Stevie up alongside others like Carra, Owen, etc , Inglethorpe sought out Heighway to come back and oversee proceedings at the 'academy' or Youth Development Centre as he prefers to call it,

Working with Steve will give Stevie all the knowledge he needs to advance his post football career, and of course bring with it the continuity we had in our hey days, Shanks to Paisley to Fagan to Kenny, ...

It is of course up to Stevie himself, but I believe the chance to have a say in the future of Liverpool will prove too much of a pull for him to go elsewhere, he will without question be a fantastic influence on the young lads he will work with, this is another piece of the rebuilding. Another step in the right direction,

It's a no brainer, we are already in fantastic shape both on and off the pitch, from Klopp to the heroines with the teapots, the Youth development centre at Kirkby, and at Melwood of course,

I don't know about anyone else, but after yrs of uncertainty, yrs of struggle it seemed, we as a club are ticking all the right boxes, and it feels absolutely fanatastic being a Liverpool FC fan , all we are waiting for now is the silverware , the titles, to come trickling thru the door.

BOSS THA !!!


YNWA

I agree with most things you said there Billy except the bit in bold.

Heighway has been brought in to mentor the kids, not to oversee things, that's Inglethorpes job. 

He's mentoring them to make them realise how tough the journey is, the hard knocks they'll get all along the way.  To prepare them for life as a pro footballer at whatever level they end up at.  To understand the sacrifices they'll have to make during those crucial pre teen and teenage years.  To give them some tough love, not pander to them like some have been.  To some extent to see who has the mentality to make it at Liverpool early enough to either fast track or release them.  I don't think he's even doing any coaching as such.

Stevie would probably learn a lot from that type of man management as he had it himself as a kid from the man himself, whereas todays youth are "coached" to the next level and hope their talent is enough to get them through.  Todays youth coaches don't use that type of mentoring, they don't "teach" failure so he won't learn that on the myriad of UEFA badges he'll have to go through and he won't have covered it on those he's already done.

I agree he'll probably jump at the chance to help develop the next generation and who better for him to learn from than the man who brought him through using the same methods.

I guess it'll all depend on the role he's offered, how long he's prepared to learn for before moving on and how ambitious he is.