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      Joel Matip withdrawn from squad due to FIFA/Cameroon confusion
      Jan 15, 2017 07:09:21 pm
      Commentators said he was cleared to play today and the manager was going too, but the club needed clarification from FIFA that he was eligible. Supposedly he retired from international football in 2015 however the club needs clarification of player/club would face stiff fines or league ineligibility.
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      Re: Joel Matip withdrawn from squad due to FIFA/Cameroon confusion
      Reply #1: Jan 15, 2017 08:35:07 pm
      Hope this international issue doesnt drag on. If hes ready, he starts our games.
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      Re: Joel Matip withdrawn from squad due to FIFA/Cameroon confusion
      Reply #2: Jan 15, 2017 08:36:21 pm
      You can change the President at FIFA all you want but they still run like an amateur organisation.
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      Re: Joel Matip withdrawn from squad due to FIFA/Cameroon confusion
      Reply #3: Jan 15, 2017 10:36:55 pm
      Play him and invite FIFA to do something about it.
      He's been retired from int football for over 12 months shouldn't even be a debate about his eligibility
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      Re: Joel Matip withdrawn from squad due to FIFA/Cameroon confusion
      Reply #4: Jan 15, 2017 11:34:04 pm
      Play him and invite FIFA to do something about it.
      He's been retired from int football for over 12 months shouldn't even be a debate about his eligibility

      I think we should have just played him too. FIFA wouldn't have had a leg to stand on.
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      Re: Joel Matip withdrawn from squad due to FIFA/Cameroon confusion
      Reply #5: Jan 15, 2017 11:38:23 pm
      F**k Cameroon, FIFA and the shitty ACN, a competition that makes the Johnstone Paints Trophy look like the Champions League.

      Absolutely stupid situation to be in.
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      Re: Joel Matip withdrawn from squad due to FIFA/Cameroon confusion
      Reply #6: Jan 15, 2017 11:39:26 pm
      According to Klopp we're not the only team going through this.

      https://twitter.com/AnfieldHQ/status/820705266379456512

      FIFA is a huge sh*t show.
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      Reply #7: Jan 16, 2017 07:50:13 am
      According to Klopp we're not the only team going through this.

      https://twitter.com/AnfieldHQ/status/820705266379456512

      FIFA is a huge sh*t show.

      Think I heard that Nyom lad at West Brom was left out of their squad Saturday due to the same issue
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      Re: Joel Matip withdrawn from squad due to FIFA/Cameroon confusion
      Reply #8: Jan 16, 2017 01:21:22 pm
      Lads why does matip not just retire?
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      Re: Joel Matip withdrawn from squad due to FIFA/Cameroon confusion
      Reply #9: Jan 16, 2017 01:28:42 pm
      Lads why does matip not just retire?

      Apparently, he did.

      Or so he thought anyway.

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      Re: Joel Matip withdrawn from squad due to FIFA/Cameroon confusion
      Reply #10: Jan 16, 2017 01:29:41 pm
      Lads why does matip not just retire?

      I don't think you can retire from International football.

      One of those odd situations!

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      Re: Joel Matip withdrawn from squad due to FIFA/Cameroon confusion
      Reply #11: Jan 16, 2017 01:30:16 pm
      Apparently, he did.

      Or so he thought anyway.



      That's bizzare.
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      Re: Joel Matip withdrawn from squad due to FIFA/Cameroon confusion
      Reply #12: Jan 16, 2017 01:55:02 pm
      I don't think you can retire from International football.

      One of those odd situations!



      ? Really. I never knew that. Always thought players, example Stevie, announce retirement from international football. Some even retire and then come back.

      Either way the matip situation is farcical
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      Re: Joel Matip withdrawn from squad due to FIFA/Cameroon confusion
      Reply #13: Jan 16, 2017 04:36:05 pm
      Bad news. It looks like we might not be able to play him until the end of the AFCON.

      https://twitter.com/AnfieldHQ/status/821026975917686788

      https://twitter.com/AnfieldHQ/status/821027114463952896

      https://twitter.com/AnfieldHQ/status/821027500960731138

      https://twitter.com/AnfieldHQ/status/821031282687741952

      https://twitter.com/AnfieldHQ/status/821031619905654784

      https://twitter.com/AnfieldHQ/status/821031746682679297

      https://twitter.com/AnfieldHQ/status/821032097137774592

      So he hasn't played for them for years while he was at Schalke but now that this tournament has come around and they want to suddenly select him, they're kicking up a fuss.
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      Re: Joel Matip withdrawn from squad due to FIFA/Cameroon confusion
      Reply #14: Jan 16, 2017 04:38:47 pm
      Just slip them a few notes, probably what they are after!

      Maybe they should focus on what makes players not want to play for them.
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      Reply #15: Jan 16, 2017 04:48:29 pm
      Just slip them a few notes, probably what they are after!

      Maybe they should focus on what makes players not want to play for them.

      That's basically how they work.

      They'd do that if they actually cared about the players.
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      Re: Joel Matip withdrawn from squad due to FIFA/Cameroon confusion
      Reply #16: Jan 16, 2017 05:11:12 pm
      F**k Fifa and f**k the Cameroon FA. Play Matip and let the cu*ts try to sue us, it should be fun to see what their legal case is like because surely if nothing else its against human rights forcing a player to play for his country etc, it could be a new Bosman type ruling.
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      Reply #17: Jan 16, 2017 05:28:19 pm
      F**k Fifa and f**k the Cameroon FA. Play Matip and let the cu*ts try to sue us, it should be fun to see what their legal case is like because surely if nothing else its against human rights forcing a player to play for his country etc, it could be a new Bosman type ruling.

      Good point.
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      Re: Joel Matip withdrawn from squad due to FIFA/Cameroon confusion
      Reply #18: Jan 16, 2017 05:30:13 pm
      I really don't see the F***ing problem, he was not called up, if he did, I would understand to an extent, but he wasn't... what a F***ing joke.

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      Re: Joel Matip withdrawn from squad due to FIFA/Cameroon confusion
      Reply #19: Jan 16, 2017 05:30:16 pm
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      Re: Joel Matip withdrawn from squad due to FIFA/Cameroon confusion
      Reply #20: Jan 16, 2017 05:33:09 pm


      Good.

      Interestingly Joyce says that FIFA have told LFC to sort it out with the Cameroon FA.

      In which case they can do one, what they going to do?

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      Re: Joel Matip withdrawn from squad due to FIFA/Cameroon confusion
      Reply #21: Jan 16, 2017 06:07:27 pm

      Good.

      Interestingly Joyce says that FIFA have told LFC to sort it out with the Cameroon FA.

      In which case they can do one, what they going to do?



      There's nothing anybody can do. What is the Cameroon FA going to do exactly? Tell Matip that he won't be called up in future for a team he doesn't want to be a part of anyway? :D.
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      Re: Joel Matip withdrawn from squad due to FIFA/Cameroon confusion
      Reply #22: Jan 16, 2017 06:33:05 pm
      Screw FIFA, screw Cameroon FA.


      Sorted.


      Oh and screw the scum and the FA just for good measure.
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      Re: Joel Matip withdrawn from squad due to FIFA/Cameroon confusion
      Reply #23: Jan 16, 2017 06:53:12 pm
      Screw FIFA, screw Cameroon FA.


      Sorted.


      Oh and screw the scum and the FA just for good measure.

      Finally we agree on something :-)
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      Re: Joel Matip withdrawn from squad due to FIFA/Cameroon confusion
      Reply #24: Jan 16, 2017 07:06:02 pm
      Absolute joke. Personally I'd play him, I really don't see how you can be forced to work for someone if you don't want to.

      F**k FIFA and Cameroon, gobshites.
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      Re: Joel Matip withdrawn from squad due to FIFA/Cameroon confusion
      Reply #25: Jan 16, 2017 07:24:42 pm
      Absolute joke. Personally I'd play him, I really don't see how you can be forced to work for someone if you don't want to.

      F**k FIFA and Cameroon, gobshites.

      Actually, FIFA would come down on the FA and you know the FA aren't going to stand up for one of its clubs against FIFA, especially not us. Just another example of how corrupt the world game is anymore.

      What makes it worse is that Mourinho after the match said part of why he decided to start playing so direct is because he knew Matip wasn't available to defend against high balls. He's said he didn't want to play and they named him to the squad anyway - which tells me that the coach he fell out with just wanted to do him wrong. Starts to look like forced labor at this point. Somebody get Sakho's lawyer on the case.

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      Re: Joel Matip withdrawn from squad due to FIFA/Cameroon confusion
      Reply #26: Jan 17, 2017 12:02:17 am
      I'm finding it hard understand this. Are Cameroon basically acting like children if he won't play for us then he ain't playing for ye kind of thing?? Absolute horseshit if you ask me. Just goes to show you how fu**ed up an organisation FIFA is. Do your F***ing job!!
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      Reply #27: Jan 17, 2017 02:01:57 am
      I say play him. He wasn't in the squad for the AFC so I can't see what they can do really.

      It would had been a completely different scenario if he had been called to play and refused to go but since he wasn't on the list he has the right to play as one other player from Cameroon not currently playing with the national team.
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      Re: Joel Matip withdrawn from squad due to FIFA/Cameroon confusion
      Reply #28: Jan 17, 2017 02:19:11 pm
      Klopp just said that Matip won't play against Plymouth because his hands are tied with this bullshit of a ruling.

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      Re: Joel Matip withdrawn from squad due to FIFA/Cameroon confusion
      Reply #29: Jan 17, 2017 02:36:36 pm
      How the F**k in todays day & age you can force someone to play against their will?..

      Purely childish from Cameroon...
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      Re: Joel Matip withdrawn from squad due to FIFA/Cameroon confusion
      Reply #30: Jan 17, 2017 02:55:46 pm
      More on what Klopp said

      http://www.liverpoolfc.com/news/first-team/250776-Jürgen-klopp-s-update-on-joel-matip
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      Re: Joel Matip withdrawn from squad due to FIFA/Cameroon confusion
      Reply #31: Jan 17, 2017 04:19:56 pm
      Am I missing something here?

      Joel said ages ago he didn't want to be selected.

      He wasn't picked in the squad.

      So why the F**k are we in this situation now with FIFA?
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      Re: Joel Matip withdrawn from squad due to FIFA/Cameroon confusion
      Reply #32: Jan 17, 2017 05:08:52 pm
      Am I missing something here?

      Joel said ages ago he didn't want to be selected.

      He wasn't picked in the squad.

      So why the f**k are we in this situation now with FIFA?

      I don't know Si...I do know that a few years ago he had a big falling out with the Cameroon manager and has not played/wanted to play since....that being said Joel probably rues the day he chose Cameroon vs Germany when both wanted him for they're national team.
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      Re: Joel Matip withdrawn from squad due to FIFA/Cameroon confusion
      Reply #33: Jan 17, 2017 05:20:56 pm
      Am I missing something here?

      Joel said ages ago he didn't want to be selected.

      He wasn't picked in the squad.

      So why the f**k are we in this situation now with FIFA?

      This has to be an infringement of Matip's civil liberties and human rights, you cannot be forced to play for your national team. If I was him I would immediately renounce my citizenship and apply to be German or British, then lets see what Fifa and Cameroon do. I'm slightly dissapointed with Liverpool being pussies over this, I'd take both Fifa and Cameroon to court over this and sue them, escalate it all the way to European courts if needed. Anything to do with infringement of human rights is an easy win and this is a blatant case where a human being is having his human rights infringed, far more so than the Bosman ruling.
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      Re: Joel Matip withdrawn from squad due to FIFA/Cameroon confusion
      Reply #34: Jan 17, 2017 05:47:31 pm
      You'd think that after the way we were messed around with the whole Sakho drug incident, they would be a bit more inclined to get this sorted sooner rather than later.

      Just play him, doing nothing wrong. He's not played for them for well over a year and they didn't include him in the final 23 man squad so they are acknowledging that he isn't available for them.
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      Re: Joel Matip withdrawn from squad due to FIFA/Cameroon confusion
      Reply #35: Jan 17, 2017 06:36:53 pm
      I get that people think it's a load of tosh and say play him but the consequences of doing so could hit us hard.

      For example, if he plays tomorrow we could be expelled from the FA Cup, not just this season but possibly next as well.  If he plays in a league game we could have points deducted, possibly as many as 10.  Do you really want to jeopardise European football next season and/or the possibility of winning the Title?  We could also face a hefty fine and he could also face a long ban, possibly the rest of the season.

      Whilst this is unresolved, he's an ineligible player and we would be treated the same as any other club for fielding him as such.

      The International retirement thing is an agreement between the player and the national manager.  Matip had that agreement with the old manager after they fell out but he doesn't have it with the new one and he made it quite clear that even if he wasn't selected, he wouldn't be eligible to play for his club whilst Cameroon were still involved in the tournament.  That is why FIFA are saying we have to sort it with their FA.  FIFA only get involved if he plays club football and Cameroon make a complaint.

      It's sh*t but them's the rules and as an ex Club Secretary you can't just play an ineligible player because you don't agree with them and expect to get away with it.
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      Re: Joel Matip withdrawn from squad due to FIFA/Cameroon confusion
      Reply #36: Jan 17, 2017 08:08:47 pm
      We must surely have Sakho's lawyers still on the books?
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      Re: Joel Matip withdrawn from squad due to FIFA/Cameroon confusion
      Reply #37: Jan 17, 2017 08:10:50 pm
      Can't he do a William Gallas and threaten to score an own goal ;D
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      Re: Joel Matip withdrawn from squad due to FIFA/Cameroon confusion
      Reply #38: Jan 17, 2017 08:13:43 pm
      We must surely have Sakho's lawyers still on the books?

      Wouldn't there be some sort of conflict of interest considering how we're trying to get rid of Sakho?
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      Re: Joel Matip withdrawn from squad due to FIFA/Cameroon confusion
      Reply #39: Jan 17, 2017 08:14:24 pm
      He's our player, we pay his wages so F**k FIFA and F**k the Cameroon team. He should threaten them with retirement.
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      Re: Joel Matip withdrawn from squad due to FIFA/Cameroon confusion
      Reply #40: Jan 17, 2017 08:48:54 pm
      He's our player, we pay his wages so f**k FIFA and f**k the Cameroon team. He should threaten them with retirement.

      He already stated that he has retired from international football.
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      Re: Joel Matip withdrawn from squad due to FIFA/Cameroon confusion
      Reply #41: Jan 17, 2017 09:13:35 pm
      Wouldn't there be some sort of conflict of interest considering how we're trying to get rid of Sakho?


      Why.........Lawyers are not usually employees, so I doubt Sakho has sole right, but contractors and work for anyone wanting to employ them.
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      Re: Joel Matip withdrawn from squad due to FIFA/Cameroon confusion
      Reply #42: Jan 18, 2017 12:03:26 am
      He already stated that he has retired from international football.

      Incredible, absolutely shameful behaviour from the Cameroon FA.
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      Re: Joel Matip withdrawn from squad due to FIFA/Cameroon confusion
      Reply #43: Jan 18, 2017 05:15:48 am
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      Jürgen Klopp will consult Liverpool’s lawyers over whether to select Joël Matip at Plymouth Argyle amid concern the defender’s inclusion could result in the club’s expulsion from the FA Cup.

      The Liverpool manager is in the farcical position of needing legal advice over his team selection for the third-round replay having failed to get clarification from Fifa or the Cameroon football federation over Matip’s eligibility.

      Liverpool forced to withdraw Joël Matip from Manchester United fixture by Fifa
      Matip was not selected in Cameroon’s final 23-man squad for the Africa Cup of Nations and, as far as Liverpool are concerned, retired from international football in 2015. But the club have not received confirmation the defender can play for Liverpool during the tournament without threat of sanction, prompting his withdrawal from the squad who faced Manchester United at Old Trafford last Sunday.

      i feel for the boss.  the guy just wants to train his team and put his best foot forward.  guy cant even do that without lawyers trying to figure out if they would be kicked out of the FA cup for selecting their own player that they are paying his wages for

      holy sh*t batman.  what an absolute joke
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      Re: Joel Matip withdrawn from squad due to FIFA/Cameroon confusion
      Reply #44: Jan 18, 2017 07:59:58 am
      holy sh*t batman.  what an absolute joke

      No laughing matter. FIFA sells broadcast rights for an event worth millions of dollars which promises excitement and top players. All of a sudden players decide to boycott the event and jeopardize FIFA's position. If this event is boycotted by all of the world's top players, the competition's value and FIFA's revenue will fall.

      Who is to say you can choose not to participate in FIFA's event? FIFA. Bet they'd fight tooth and nail to prevent all of the world's top players from boycotting their... to be frank... millions of dollars.
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      Re: Joel Matip withdrawn from squad due to FIFA/Cameroon confusion
      Reply #45: Jan 18, 2017 08:37:06 am
      The clubs have to take  back control of the players from FIFA,EUFA,and all football associations.We have had to put up with losing players for meaningless international matches for too long. Jürgen  Klopp is put in a terrible position over Matip and if there is the slightest doubt that there could be repercussions he has no choice but  not to select him for the Plymouth match.
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      Re: Joel Matip withdrawn from squad due to FIFA/Cameroon confusion
      Reply #46: Jan 18, 2017 12:36:02 pm
      From what I have read, the issue is that Matip never announced his retirement in writing to the Cameroon FA. So they are in their rights to select him and if we selected him during AFCON we could be docked wins (FA Cup) or points (league title). So we are quite possibly screwed unless we get a ruling from FIFA telling us it's ok to pick him. He won't be played today, that's a fact.
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      Re: Joel Matip withdrawn from squad due to FIFA/Cameroon confusion
      Reply #47: Jan 18, 2017 12:45:24 pm
      If the rule is that a player HAS to play for his country if called up despite them not wanting to play, although I find that almost impossible to believe in todays age of human rights for everyone down to the lowliest scumbag of a terrorist, then we and every other club just has to go along with it. Surely the simple solution then is for Joel to renounce his Cameroon citizenship and seek asylum in the UK, play fire with fire.

      When does the African nations bollocks finish anyway, I want Mane back asap?
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      Re: Joel Matip withdrawn from squad due to FIFA/Cameroon confusion
      Reply #48: Jan 18, 2017 12:53:15 pm
      From what I have read, the issue is that Matip never announced his retirement in writing to the Cameroon FA. So they are in their rights to select him and if we selected him during AFCON we could be docked wins (FA Cup) or points (league title). So we are quite possibly screwed unless we get a ruling from FIFA telling us it's ok to pick him. He won't be played today, that's a fact.


      Depends on your source but according to Pearce and the club he retired in 2015, but the issue again comes down to you can't ever really retire from International football.

      There was an agreement in 2015 with the previous manager that he would not be selected.

      With the current manager and their FA we don't have that agreement.

      It is simply up to the Cameroon FA to accept he doesn't want to play for them, but seeing as though the brown paper bag has not reached them they are playing funny buggers.
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      Re: Joel Matip withdrawn from squad due to FIFA/Cameroon confusion
      Reply #49: Jan 18, 2017 01:11:36 pm
      If the rule is that a player HAS to play for his country if called up despite them not wanting to play, although I find that almost impossible to believe in todays age of human rights for everyone down to the lowliest scumbag of a terrorist, then we and every other club just has to go along with it. Surely the simple solution then is for Joel to renounce his Cameroon citizenship and seek asylum in the UK, play fire with fire.

      When does the African nations bollocks finish anyway, I want Mane back asap?

      Not sure how well that would go down in Germany.
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      Re: Joel Matip withdrawn from squad due to FIFA/Cameroon confusion
      Reply #50: Jan 18, 2017 01:16:33 pm
      Play him.

      FIFA throw us out of the cup, it wont be this year as we would take them to court and battle it out for a few months, as we and Matip in particular have strong cases, Matip could actually take this to the human rights courts as hes unfairly being prevented from working.
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      Re: Joel Matip withdrawn from squad due to FIFA/Cameroon confusion
      Reply #51: Jan 18, 2017 01:29:44 pm
      I'd be surprised if the club overlooked the necessity for him to formally retire by post mate.

      It seems to be more a technical point that Cameroon are not willing to accept the resignation and that's where red tape complicates matters, again.

      The reason for Joel Matip’s Cameroon dispute revealed in FIFA ruling


      Jack Lusby on 18.01.2017


      Joel Matip‘s current eligibility dispute may be due to the centre-back not officially writing a letter of his retirement to the Cameroon FA in 2015.

      Liverpool manager Jürgen Klopp has been forced to omit Matip from his past two matchday squads, against Manchester United and Plymouth Argyle, over fears of a sanction from FIFA.

      The 25-year-old withdrew himself from contention for this month’s Africa Cup of Nations, but FECAFOOT have not recognised his retirement.

      This could, therefore, see FIFA suspend Matip for the duration of the tournament, keeping him out of action until mid-February, which would serve as a bitter blow to the Reds’ title hopes.

      However, according to a FIFA ruling, Matip supposedly hasn’t submitted the required paperwork to FECAFOOT to announce his retirement from duty means he was “obliged” to heed their call-up.


      FIFA ruling states that “any divergent agreement between a player and a club is prohibited,” though that “associations wishing to call up a player who is playing abroad must notify the player in writing at least 15 days before the day of the match for which he is required.

      “The player’s club shall also be informed in writing at the same time. The club must confirm the release of the player within the following six days.

      “Should he wish not to be called up for a certain match or matches or for a certain period of time, he must inform the association of which he is a national, in writing, of his intention before being called up.

      “Furthermore, only the player himself is entitled to renounce representing his national team. This declaration shall be submitted by the player to the association concerned in writing.”

      That FECAFOOT believe Matip didn’t inform them of his retirement in writing could lead to ramifications for Liverpool if he is then selected.

      This is ruled to be “during the period for which he has been released or should have been released,” with this case meaning the duration of this winter’s AFCON.

      Crucially, FIFA rules that if Matip is fielded during the dispute, this could affect Liverpool’s results:

          “If a player who has been correctly called up but not released by his club plays for the latter during the period he should have been released, the Players’ Status Committee can ask the association where this club is affiliated to declare any match or matches in which the player participated as having been lost by the club concerned.”

      Therefore, this could have enforced the Reds’ exit from the FA Cup if Matip helped his side secure victory at Home Park on Wednesday night, with Klopp instead deciding to leave him on Merseyside.

      FIFA are due to decide whether to investigate Matip’s case on Friday, though Liverpool are adamant they are not at fault in this case, with the player’s retirement coming before his signing.

      It is no surprise Matip should not wish to play for Cameroon, of course, with the 25-year-old citing a “bad experience with the previous technical staff” for his reason behind retiring.

      In 2011, for example, Schalke refused to release Matip for an AFCON warmup after FECAFOOT were late submitting their own paperwork, while his nationality has been questioned in the past, too.

      It seems that had Schalke advised Matip to make his retirement official with a written letter in 2015, all this could have been avoided.
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      Re: Joel Matip withdrawn from squad due to FIFA/Cameroon confusion
      Reply #52: Jan 18, 2017 01:35:21 pm
      But... who exactly is it that is making a mountain out of this molehill?

      By accounts Cameroon didn't name him in their A.C.O.N. squad anyhow: so how the F**k can we be breaking any rules?

      I mean; surely no one is suggesting that any Cameroonian [Moroccan etc], not good enough to be picked to go to Africa, has to forego playing club football until the competition is over.

      Who says we have to wait? Why the F**k did we even ask?   ;)  :laugh:



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      Re: Joel Matip withdrawn from squad due to FIFA/Cameroon confusion
      Reply #53: Jan 18, 2017 01:38:59 pm
      But... who exactly is it that is making a mountain out of this molehill?

      By accounts Cameroon didn't name him in their A.C.O.N. squad anyhow: so how the f**k can we be breaking any rules?

      I mean; surely no one is suggesting that any Cameroonian [Moroccan etc], not good enough to be picked to go to Africa, has to forego playing club football until the competition is over.

      Who says we have to wait? Why the f**k did we even ask? Feeling 'guilty' were we?   ;)  :laugh:





      Didn't they end up naming him though. I  thought I saw something right before the tournament about their boss calling him up?

      Edit*, no you are right, they left him off the 23.
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      Reply #54: Jan 18, 2017 01:44:21 pm
      Didn't they end up naming him though. I  thought I saw something right before the tournament about their boss calling him up?

      Edit*, no you are right, they left him off the 23.

      So it follows that they either 1: knew he'd retired or 2: didn't deem him worthy as warranting a place.

      Like I say - why the F**k did we even ask [fifa for clarification] and did we make this rod for our own back?   :-\
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      Re: Joel Matip withdrawn from squad due to FIFA/Cameroon confusion
      Reply #55: Jan 18, 2017 02:09:38 pm
      It was reported about a few weeks ago that he was in the process of writing a letter to the Cameroon FA. I wonder what happened for that not to happen? I'm not sure that even matters though considering they didn't select him. Unless they argue that Matip would have been selected had it not been for what he said to them.
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      Re: Joel Matip withdrawn from squad due to FIFA/Cameroon confusion
      Reply #56: Jan 18, 2017 02:40:59 pm
      I really don't see why we aren't playing him.  Cameroon didn't pick him in the squad. Case closed.

      I'd love to see that case go to sports courts.

      Cameroon didn't pick Jordan Henderson either but he's probably going to play tonight.  Whole situation is ludicrous.

      Liverpool should have told FIFA to do one - actually the FA should have but you know.
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      Reply #57: Jan 18, 2017 03:20:20 pm
      So it follows that they either 1: knew he'd retired or 2: didn't deem him worthy as warranting a place.

      Like I say - why the f**k did we even ask [fifa for clarification] and did we make this rod for our own back?   :-\

      Who the F**k is rod?   ;)

      Is he a new cb
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      Re: Joel Matip withdrawn from squad due to FIFA/Cameroon confusion
      Reply #58: Jan 18, 2017 03:21:37 pm
      Why the hell do they have to play the ACON in the middle of the European season anyway?
      African nations are happy enough to play in the World Cup in July and given the debacle of the Qatar World Cup it can't be a heat issue?
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      Re: Joel Matip withdrawn from squad due to FIFA/Cameroon confusion
      Reply #59: Jan 18, 2017 03:53:35 pm
      It's all about the money. Seriously if there was no money involved, would FIFA really care if he plays at all?
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      Reply #60: Jan 18, 2017 04:55:09 pm
      FIFA ...these people literally couldn't score in a brothel...though am sure they'll say they have rules about scoring which prohibit it.
      « Last Edit: Jan 18, 2017 06:19:45 pm by bmck »
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      Re: Joel Matip withdrawn from squad due to FIFA/Cameroon confusion
      Reply #61: Jan 18, 2017 05:43:11 pm
      Why the hell do they have to play the ACON in the middle of the European season anyway?

      Assume, although I don't know, that it is 'out of season' for the African nations.  Good question though - surely most of the players play in Europe?

      Edit - This is from an article in 2012.

      But Suketu Patel, who is the CAF vice-chair says the tournament schedule was carefully thought through.

      -Perhaps the solution lies not with the Nations Cup but within the English league.

      -We can't look at the situation purely from what the English league's problems are, Patel told the BBC.

      Climatic conditions will not allow

      -The time has been agreed with FIFA [and] the climatic conditions in certain parts of Africa do not allow us to play in [northern hemisphere] summer time, Patel said.

      -It can be extremely hot in the northern part [of Africa] and in some places you have problems with rain.

      And he pointed out that a change of schedule to suit one country would penalise clubs elsewhere, who also employ African players.

      -You have to appreciate that there are a lot of players in China or Doha or the South African league, where the timing is not the same as the English league, Patel said.

      -So if we were to go to June, you would have other leagues saying exactly what the club's are saying now.

      Patel's assertion, means that the 2013 AFCON will likely be held in January, just a year after the 2012 edition, which will likely anger the clubs.
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      Re: Joel Matip withdrawn from squad due to FIFA/Cameroon confusion
      Reply #62: Jan 18, 2017 05:59:07 pm
      I'm gutted about this :(
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      Reply #63: Jan 18, 2017 06:08:18 pm
      If I were a betting man, I bet FIFA will reply when Cameroon are out of the competition, with the answer,

      "Oh sorry,yes he could have played all along"  :rasp:
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      Reply #64: Jan 18, 2017 06:54:02 pm
      FIFA ...these people literally couldn't score in a brothel...though am sure they'll say they have rules about scoring which prohibit it.



      Actually mate, I think you'll find quite a few Fifa "Members"  will be scoring aplenty in many of those establishments, although there won't be many nets 'bulging'  >:(


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      Re: Joel Matip withdrawn from squad due to FIFA/Cameroon confusion
      Reply #65: Jan 18, 2017 10:11:48 pm
      https://twitter.com/GlennPrice94/status/821398481348755460

      They are right F***ing cu*ts. Guess we won't be seeing Matip until they get knocked out.. cu*ts.
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      Re: Joel Matip withdrawn from squad due to FIFA/Cameroon confusion
      Reply #66: Jan 19, 2017 12:45:04 am
      https://twitter.com/GlennPrice94/status/821398481348755460

      They are right f**king cu*ts. Guess we won't be seeing Matip until they get knocked out.. cu*ts.

      FIFA prove once more how unfit for purpose they are. This opens up a right can of worms for all football clubs around the world. I'm sure if there'd been a brown envelope with more than just Liverpool's request for clarification inside, a ruling would have been made by now.
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      Re: Joel Matip withdrawn from squad due to FIFA/Cameroon confusion
      Reply #67: Jan 19, 2017 01:12:43 am
      Oh for the days when the clubs could refuse to release a player for international duty.
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      Re: Joel Matip withdrawn from squad due to FIFA/Cameroon confusion
      Reply #68: Jan 20, 2017 08:20:24 am
      Has the pigeon arrived with the message from FIFA yet?
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      Reply #69: Jan 20, 2017 08:30:24 am
      https://twitter.com/GlennPrice94/status/821398481348755460

      They are right F***ing cu*ts. Guess we won't be seeing Matip until they get knocked out.. cu*ts.

      What kind of acronym is FEC-A-FOOT, sick bas**rds.
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      Re: Joel Matip withdrawn from squad due to FIFA/Cameroon confusion
      Reply #70: Jan 20, 2017 08:46:18 am
      https://twitter.com/GlennPrice94/status/821398481348755460

      They are right f**king cu*ts. Guess we won't be seeing Matip until they get knocked out.. cu*ts.

      What time would be more relevant, you pompous arrogant cu*ts. Hope you get knocked out in the most humiliating way possible.

      BTW I still cannot believe that in this day and age anybody can be forced into work, or in this case forced to play for their country if they don't want to. I really cannot square that with all the human rights bollocks, come on Amnesty get off your arses and come to the defence of Matip! ;-)
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      Re: Joel Matip withdrawn from squad due to FIFA/Cameroon confusion
      Reply #71: Jan 20, 2017 09:04:52 am
      An all round pretry laughable affair
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      Reply #72: Jan 20, 2017 11:08:04 am
      Has the pigeon arrived with the message from FIFA yet?

      Yeah, just a brown envelope with a return address all ready written out though  :confused-smiley-013:
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      Re: Joel Matip withdrawn from squad due to FIFA/Cameroon confusion
      Reply #73: Jan 20, 2017 01:44:26 pm
      Slightly of topic but I'm not sure we have missed him in terms of clean sheets/goals conceded...

      Maybe his, on field, loss is felt in other ways?

      On topic: a clusterfuck of a situation all round. Totally ludicrous. 😯
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      Re: Joel Matip withdrawn from squad due to FIFA/Cameroon confusion
      Reply #74: Jan 20, 2017 01:50:23 pm
      Slightly of topic but I'm not sure we have missed him in terms of clean sheets/goals conceded...

      Maybe his, on field, loss is felt in other ways?

      On topic: a clusterfuck of a situation all round. Totally ludicrous. 😯

      Lovren has really stepped up I think mate, has been excellent in nearly all the games since Matip has been out absent and was clear MOM against the Mancs.
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      Reply #75: Jan 20, 2017 01:51:55 pm
      Has the pigeon arrived with the message from FIFA yet?
      Wanting to cut down on costs they are probably just waiting to reuse Joel's [resignation] pigeon. 🐌
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      Re: Joel Matip withdrawn from squad due to FIFA/Cameroon confusion
      Reply #76: Jan 20, 2017 02:02:49 pm
      Lovren has really stepped up I think mate, has been excellent in nearly all the games since Matip has been out absent and was clear MOM against the Mancs.


      Don't fully agree with that Mick I think we have sorely missed Joel's ability to not only bring the ball out of defence but also his accurate passing into the midfield.

      But I agree Lovren has generally been good defensively.
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      Re: Joel Matip withdrawn from squad due to FIFA/Cameroon confusion
      Reply #77: Jan 20, 2017 02:12:45 pm
      Don't fully agree with that Mick I think we have sorely missed Joel's ability to not only bring the ball out of defence but also his accurate passing into the midfield.

      But I agree Lovren has generally been good defensively.

      I never really said we haven't missed Matip mate, he's obviously better than Klavan or Lucas. I was just making the point that perhaps one of the reasons why we haven't conceded lots of goals is that Lovren has been so good.
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      Re: Joel Matip withdrawn from squad due to FIFA/Cameroon confusion
      Reply #78: Jan 20, 2017 05:40:06 pm
      So is he cleared for Saturday or not ?

      Still totally bewildered by the whole F***ing saga myself.

      Can't understand how anyone can be made to perform any sort of duty, for any organisation, with the threat of being with held from their regular work and source of income, as a form of punishment for not doing so. !!! There has to be legal implications and compensation procedures attached to this.
       Why haven't The English F.A. done something similar when Fat Frank and Stevie G decided to retire from international duty, and thousands more before them ?

      I'd play him and tell the lot of them to do what they want. See you all in court ! Tossers.
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      Re: Joel Matip withdrawn from squad due to FIFA/Cameroon confusion
      Reply #79: Jan 20, 2017 07:46:43 pm
      They must have realised by know they are not getting a bribe.
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      Re: Joel Matip withdrawn from squad due to FIFA/Cameroon confusion
      Reply #80: Jan 20, 2017 09:04:09 pm
      There will be no ruling on this...let's stop kidding ourselves. 
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      Re: Joel Matip withdrawn from squad due to FIFA/Cameroon confusion
      Reply #81: Jan 20, 2017 09:30:30 pm
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      Re: Joel Matip withdrawn from squad due to FIFA/Cameroon confusion
      Reply #82: Jan 20, 2017 09:32:22 pm

      F**k's sake did it really have to take them that long to come out with that statement? How long can it take to check the rules and go "Nah, Cameroon are talking out of their arse, you can play the lad."? Bunch of incompetent shits.

      Very happy to have him back though. I'd have him back in the side straight away.
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      Re: Joel Matip withdrawn from squad due to FIFA/Cameroon confusion
      Reply #83: Jan 20, 2017 09:32:35 pm
      Yeah they just confirmed it in SSN, great news get him in the team!
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      Reply #84: Jan 20, 2017 09:35:22 pm
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      Reply #85: Jan 20, 2017 09:37:46 pm
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      Re: Joel Matip withdrawn from squad due to FIFA/Cameroon confusion
      Reply #86: Jan 20, 2017 09:38:54 pm
      The carrier turtle has finally arrived.  Eric Maxim Choupo-Moting was cleared to play in Schalke's game tomorrow a few hours ago!
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      Re: Joel Matip withdrawn from squad due to FIFA/Cameroon confusion
      Reply #87: Jan 20, 2017 09:46:35 pm
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      Liverpool FC can confirm that all charges against the club and its player Joel Matip have been dismissed by FIFA following confirmation this evening from world football's governing body.

      The club had requested FIFA to provide guidance on Matip's eligibility after a complaint had been made by FECAFOOT to FIFA concerning the player's purported call-up to the Cameroon national team for the Africa Cup of Nations.

      Following FIFA's ruling, the club now considers the player available for selection.

      Matip was withdrawn from the Reds’ squad against Manchester United last Sunday as the club sought clarity on his eligibility, while he also missed the subsequent FA Cup tie at Plymouth Argyle.

      http://www.liverpoolfc.com/news/first-team/251292-joel-matip-eligible-for-lfc-selection-after-fifa-confirmation

      All cleared up.
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      Re: Joel Matip withdrawn from squad due to FIFA/Cameroon confusion
      Reply #88: Jan 20, 2017 10:05:11 pm
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      Re: Joel Matip withdrawn from squad due to FIFA/Cameroon confusion
      Reply #89: Jan 20, 2017 10:38:41 pm
      Can't wait to have a settled back four for a run of games for the first time in about 10 years :D
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      Re: Joel Matip withdrawn from squad due to FIFA/Cameroon confusion
      Reply #90: Jan 21, 2017 10:08:17 am
      I'd have him on the bench for todays game, Lovren and Klavan should be more than enough against Swansea.

      BTW happy to see that common sense won the day.

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