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      dizzy141
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      Re: Stop criticising Dirk
      Reply #46: Jan 27, 2009 02:20:46 pm
      Kuyt can not perform as a striker either which is supposed to be his position and Rafa has played him in that position plenty of times and he has been abysmal there too. All round I don't think Kuyt has anything to offer Liverpool he has no skill no touch and isn't any good as a striker or a winger
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      Reply #47: Jan 27, 2009 03:57:12 pm
      It's funny - I disagree with 99% of your posts. This one is no exception.

      We need Dirk, he has amazing stamina which means he can harrass teams all through the game. I've seen him popping up everywhere; left-back, left-wing, in the box.

      He reads the game well but just doesn't have the pace (or crosses) to become a decent right-winger.

      I still wouldn't sell him though, no chance.

      Very Funny post mate - read your own words:

      He doesn't have the pace (or crosses) to become a decent Right-Winger...WHERE DO WE PLAY HIM ?

      Case closed mate!
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      Re: Stop criticising Dirk
      Reply #48: Jan 27, 2009 03:58:14 pm
      Head down - Donkey!

      Can run all day - but so can Paula Radcliffe !  And she can p*ss more accurately than Kuyt can shoot !

      Sell him please....

       :lmao: :lmao:

      How would you know how accurate Paula Radcliffe can piss?  ;)
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      Re: Stop criticising Dirk
      Reply #49: Jan 27, 2009 04:02:31 pm
      :lmao: :lmao:

      How would you know how accurate Paula Radcliffe can piss?  ;)

      Did you not see her at the side of the road - skill or what?  SKILL something Dirk lacks by the way...
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      Re: Stop criticising Dirk
      Reply #50: Jan 27, 2009 04:02:36 pm
      Very Funny post mate - read your own words:

      He doesn't have the pace (or crosses) to become a decent Right-Winger...WHERE DO WE PLAY HIM ?

      Case closed mate!

      More imortantly who would you have playing right-wing instead of Dirk? Ryan Babel who's looked even less arsed, Benayoun? we all saw how well he did when he replaced Dirk last Monday or possibly El Zhar, while having necessary pace does he have the right mentality for the BIG games.

      Plus it's not like we can buy anyone at the moment, so my question is again who would you have replace Dirk on the right?
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      Reply #51: Jan 27, 2009 04:07:56 pm
      More imortantly who would you have playing right-wing instead of Dirk? Ryan Babel who's looked even less arsed, Benayoun? we all saw how well he did when he replaced Dirk last Monday or possibly El Zhar, while having necessary pace does he have the right mentality for the BIG games.

      Plus it's not like we can buy anyone at the moment, so my question is again who would you have replace Dirk on the right?

      I'm all for confidence.  How can Babel, Yossi and Pennant - have any confidence - in the way they keep being in one week and then out the next...then in one week then out for the next few matches?  It's just not on.

      I like Babel and I like Yossi.  Babel has a few tricks - and I believe if he had a run in the side, he could establish himself.  Yossi - the same...very intelligent - but again no consistency in playing week in week out.

      Only my opinion - I cannot stand Dirk in the side.  Commitment 100% no question - genuine talent...come on!
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      Reply #52: Jan 27, 2009 05:09:36 pm
      Piss at the side of the road ? I thought she dropped a little brownie didn't she ? Any way back to dirk, Yeah, works like a horse, never gives up, always pressuring the defenders, great engine and all that, BUT........ sometimes his control is worse than my 10 year old lad, (although I have to say he is pretty good, even at 10).
      and the oportunity is lost as he fights to get possesion back.  Does my head in.
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      Reply #53: Jan 27, 2009 07:05:47 pm
      we bought dirk kuyt as a ten million pound striker feel sorry for him at times he has never got to play regularly in his main position, i actually think him and torres could be an okay partnership, he looks lost at times when he is playing right midfield, he runs all day but to be honest you need more from your wide man
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      Reply #54: Jan 27, 2009 08:05:44 pm
      Dirk is a genuine person and a trier,he runs all day long but it is not enough to be a Liverpool player of the highest quality.His first touch is awful esp for a Dutchman and it shows the standard of the Dutch leauge he scored a lot there but has failed to do so here.
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      Re: Stop criticising Dirk
      Reply #55: Jan 27, 2009 08:06:34 pm
      dude somethings wrong with you. if you're mad at life dont bring all you sh** to the forum, some people here is actually trying to be constructive and friendly. you might have different opinions, and still not need to talk like a f**king gangster o whatever you think you sound like. plus, you're as 'geek' as the guy who tried to help you understand how names are written in this century, you know, one of those angry agressive geeks who think they are bad guys while they eat pizza 24/7. so please take your pills.

      btw i think dirk is doing his best effort but imo he's not a natural winger, so no one should really be asking more of him playing in that position. and btw, he has scored mora goals than riera, idk about assists, but i just think people should not be that harsh with him. rafa is using the lads in a kind of wieird way, and as i said that is not dirks position in the first place so personally i won't complain a thing bout him.
      :lmao:   :lmao:  :lmao:  :lmao:  :lmao:

      Very true
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      Re: Stop criticising Dirk
      Reply #56: Jan 27, 2009 08:07:16 pm
      Dirk is a genuine person and a trier,he runs all day long but it is not enough to be a Liverpool player of the highest quality.His first touch is awful esp for a Dutchman and it shows the standard of the Dutch leauge he scored a lot there but has failed to do so here.

      I don't understand what you mean by "especially for a dutchman"

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      Reply #57: Jan 27, 2009 08:09:34 pm
      I don't understand what you mean by "especially for a dutchman"



      What i meant was Dutch players are usually technically gifted Kuyt is not.
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      Re: Stop criticising Dirk
      Reply #58: Jan 27, 2009 10:39:02 pm
      I think it's about time we recognize the fact that we bought Kuyt as a striker and we should use him as such. Rafa employing him on the right is making us deficient in a lot of ways. In short Kuyt should be put in his right place and a skillful right winger should be sought. We need skillful players on the wing not runners and hard workers. Even Yossi is more of an attacking midfielder than a winger. I wonder if Rafa's use of players out of position is also a cause of their slump in form.
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      Reply #59: Jan 27, 2009 10:42:44 pm
      i can appreciate dirk's endless running and sweat he gives for the club but he just isn't a good enough winger.  But then again, we don't really have anyone else we can put into the right wing, i don't know who would replace dirk but again, i can appreciate his effort.  we do need a specialist winger though, or someone who can come up from the academy ranks
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      Re: Stop criticising Dirk
      Reply #60: Jan 28, 2009 12:20:43 am
      I will give dirk credit hes got a great engine and doesnt stop running for the team,but we bought him to score goals,hes not the fastest,his touch is not the greatest,most of the time his shooting is piss poor,even if you did put him upfront he wouldnt be a prolific goal scorer,dirk kuyt has been here for a few years now and has never gone on a good goal scoreing streak,hes just not good enough,him and beniyoun,arbeloa,lucas,dossana,deggam,arulio,are simply not good enough for liverpool !

      i almost agree with you but...and i've said this in reference to other players...how often has Rafa actually played Dirk as an out and out striker and/or set the team up to feed the ball to him on the floor in advanced areas? in my recollection, not very often. how is a striker supposed to score when he is deployed 30 or 40 yards from goal all the time? initially I thought Dirk was at fault and not following Rafa's instructions by coming too deep all the time but after Rafa had "allowed" him to do this in about 50 games I decided Dirk must be doing EXACTLY what Rafa wants...

      so, blame Rafa not Kuyt!

      OK...OK....sure...Dirk may never be a 25 goal man but how can he establish confidence as a goal scorer when he only gets one or two chances per game, if even that, and has to run his legs off all the time. on many occasions it seems to me his legs are "gone" and he barely has the strength to shoot never mind bury it....

      and yet...STILL...he comes up with big goals in big games....so he is a WINNER unlike some of the other babies we are carrying week in week out...

      so...in summary...Kuyt is a pretty damn good asset for LFC and, until we have a genuinely excellent wide right replacement, I suggest we lay off the criticism and thank him for his efforts...

      oh, yes, I am aware that he hasn't played particularly well these last few games but then that could be said of most of the squad, no?
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      Reply #61: Jan 28, 2009 07:15:32 am
      The reason Kuyt does so much running and putting the defense under pressure is because he gives the ball away so easy he makes his own life on the football pitch harder. He is constantly chasing defenders down cos they take the ball off him or his touch lets him down and then he has to chase after the ball.

      I remember Kuyt playing quite a few games as a striker last year I also remember a lot of draws where he did score any thing, I really don't see the point of having him in the team.
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      Re: Stop criticising Dirk
      Reply #62: Jan 28, 2009 08:48:33 am
      Arrigo Sacchi anyone?
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      Re: Stop criticising Dirk
      Reply #63: Jan 28, 2009 08:55:38 am
      All players go through this and lose their touch for a while,  His touch will come back.!
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      Reply #64: Jan 28, 2009 08:58:59 am
      Think i might get shot down but i think Stevie on the right for remainder of the season i know how good he is in the center just behind Torres but we need him to take one for the team(again) and Keane or Yossi  behind fernando.No one can question Kuyt's commitment or work rate but we need more while going forward if we're serious about the title also i'd like to see more risks taking with young reserve players throw them in at the deep end and see if they can swim .
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      Re: Stop criticising Dirk
      Reply #65: Jan 28, 2009 05:21:51 pm
      No one should be criticising kuyt, they should be applauding him, he is a centre forward playing right wing, with no pace or skill, but still gets goals and assists, am sure he wants to play up front, but he is just doing as he is told.

      To be honest I think kuyt and torres would play well up front together while keane is playing poorly, but who do you play right wing, el zhar, who has no really experince especially since were pushing for the title, or benayoun who am not a fans of, who comes in side to much and leaves us open to be attack.

      Rafa has no option to play kuyt there an think thats why kuyt doesnt get dropped, Kuyt works hard, gets back and defends and gets foward and does a IMO a great job for a player out of position, if he was a natual winger I would understand he isnt setting the world a light on the right wing, but he is a centre foward in the wrong postion.

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