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      Hit, Miss or Undecided !!!!!

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      Hit, Miss or Undecided !!!!!
      Jan 17, 2010 02:19:23 pm
      Right as the Rafa debate rages even further on and I expect it to for the foreseeable future, one of the things I've seen thrown out most frequently is the quality of the squad after the starting XI.

      So here's the 2009/2010 squad list arrange them into three categories Hit, Miss or Undecided giving your reasons simples !!!!

          *    1. Cavalieri
          * 2. Johnson
          * 4. Aquilani
          * 5. Agger
          * 8. Gerrard
          * 9. Torres
          * 11. Riera
          * 12. Aurelio
          * 15. Benayoun
          * 16. Kyrgiakos
          * 17. Rodriguez
          * 18. Kuyt
          * 19. Babel
          * 20. Mascherano
          * 21. Lucas
          * 22. Insua
          * 23. Carragher
          * 24. Ngog
          * 25. Reina
          * 26. Spearing
          * 27. Degen
          * 28. Plessis
          * 29. Nemeth
          * 30. Itandje
          * 31. El Zhar
          * 32. Darby
          * 34. Kelly

          * 36. Irwin
          * 37. Skrtel
          * 39. Eccleston
          * 40. Ayala
          * 41. Hansen
          * 42. Gulacsi
          * 43. Bouzanis
          * 44. Martin
          * 46. Amoo
          * 47. Pacheco
          * 48. Bruna
          * - Brouwer
          * - Buchtmann
          * - Flora
          * - Dalla Valle
          * - Kacaniklic
          * - Mavinga
          * - Mendy
          * - Oldfield
          * - Palsson
          * - Poloskei
          * - San José
          * - Saric
          * - Simon
          * - Threlfall
          * - Weijl
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      Re: Hit, Miss or Undecided !!!!!
      Reply #1: Jan 17, 2010 02:23:55 pm
      Good idea this. While it's probably unfair to the players we don't see often, for the regulars it is easier to see them.


      Sh*te. ::)

      :D

      HITS

      Reina
      Johnson
      Agger
      Carragher
      Skrtel
      Gerrard
      Torres
      N'Gog
      Aurelio
      Mascherano
      Benayoun
      Lucas

      UNDECIDED
      Riera
      Insua

      MISS
      Babel
      « Last Edit: Jan 17, 2010 07:35:12 pm by CRK, Reason: Added my list in, will edit reasons in later »
      JD
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      Re: Hit, Miss or Undecided !!!!!
      Reply #2: Jan 17, 2010 02:25:12 pm
      I'm going to struggle to put in players in to categories when they have roles such as Reserve keeper or have played about 10 minutes for the first team so I'll be succinct.

      Hit

      Gerrard
      Torres
      Agger
      Benayoun
      Mascherano
      Carragher
      Reina
      Skrtel

      Miss

      Babel
      Kuyt

      Undecided

      Aurelio
      Leiva
      Riera
      Insua

      I think it far too early to pass any judgement on Ngog, Aquilani, Johnson, Kyrgiakos, Degen, Darby, Kelly, El Zhar.
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      Re: Hit, Miss or Undecided !!!!!
      Reply #3: Jan 17, 2010 02:32:47 pm
      Hit

      Reina
      Carragher
      Skrtel
      Agger
      Aurelio
      Mascherano
      Gerrard
      Torres
      Benayoun

      Miss

      Babel
      Kuyt

      Undecided

      Lucas
      Insua
      All the youngsters basically since I haven't seen enought of them yet.
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      Re: Hit, Miss or Undecided !!!!!
      Reply #4: Jan 17, 2010 03:11:52 pm
      Reina
      Carragher
      Skrtel
      Agger
      Aurelio
      Mascherano
      Gerrard
      Torres
      Benayoun

      Miss

      Babel

      Undecided

      Riera
      Lucas
      Insua
      Kuyt (some times he can be great, but sometimes hes plain awful)
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      Re: Hit, Miss or Undecided !!!!!
      Reply #5: Jan 17, 2010 03:17:40 pm
      I'm only going to judge the regulars.

      Hit
      Reina
      Carragher
      Agger
      Skrtel
      Mascherano
      Gerrard
      Torres
      Benayoun

      Miss
      Babel

      Undecided
      Insua
      Lucas
      Reira
      Kuyt
      Aurelio
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      Re: Hit, Miss or Undecided !!!!!
      Reply #6: Jan 17, 2010 03:33:00 pm
      Hit
      Reina
      Torres
      Benayoun
      Johnson
      Lucas


      Hand on heart these are the only five who i can say that their performances have been satisfactory this season. Even Johnson went off the boil during and after the Arsenal game, but was excellent early season and MOTM against Birmingham and Blackburn. Lucas get's in because has improved since last season

      Miss
      Gerrard- Sure he has had injuries but look's a shadow of his former self. Not providing leadership that the side is badly lacking. look's uninterested
      Babel- Has to be transferred
      Skirtel- His performances have been awful
      Kuyt - Poor
      Insua-
      Carragher- Not upto his usual hgh standard

      Unsure
      Agger- Has beeen ok without being spectacular
      Mascherano- Started badly, improved but then sent off, needs to get back on track
      Aquilani- Agree with Jan Molby unfair to judge untill next season
      Kyriarkos
      Aurellio-Not played enough
      Reira - Not played enough
      Ngog- Has had some stinkers of late, But has bagged a few goals, need's to improve first touch

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      Re: Hit, Miss or Undecided !!!!!
      Reply #7: Jan 17, 2010 03:37:51 pm
      Hit: Reina, Johnson, Agger, Aurelio, Mascherano, Lucas, Benayoun, Riera, Gerrard, Torres.

      Miss: Babel, Insua.

      Undecided: Carragher, Skrtel, Kuyt.
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      Re: Hit, Miss or Undecided !!!!!
      Reply #8: Jan 17, 2010 05:10:56 pm
      Hit

      2. Johnson - don't think we overpaid because of the market, but he's played well and would be playing even better without injuries
      8. Gerrard - no explanation needed
      9. Torres - Does he ever miss? Think about it: how many times have you seen him miss, compared to the amount of shots-on-goal he has....
      11. Riera - I like Riera, he gave us a lot of new options last year, but he only has one foot although he's progressing with the other
      15. Benayoun - crafty Israeli, I think he's done more this season than anyone realizes and we'll be feeling it when he's gone
      18. Kuyt - works tirelessly for the club, and up until now, he's had little reason to be doubted by fans. He'll come around, things just aren't going the way he wants right now
      21. Lucas - We got Lucas for a really good price, and he is young. If he develops into a good player, we can either keep him or sell him and make a huge profit - that alone is why I think he's a hit
      22. Insua - same with Lucas, he's young, 22, some day he will be a great defender, and I certainly don't want it to be somewhere else. Insua's been thrust into a situation where he holds a lot of responsibility, and I think he's done well when you look at his experience, and how relatively quick he's adapted for a defender. Yes, now he has to tweek his game more because he's playing more and that makes it easier for teams to dissect his weakness.
      23. Carragher - no explanation needed
      24. Ngog - he needs to build muscle, if that boy was on my team, he'd be in the weight room at least twice a week, probably three times. But we got him cheap, and he's young, he's got good instincts. He just needs to be developed, but every time he plays you can tell there's a desire there to play well for Liverpool. Sometimes he just gets nervous, but being able to keep a cool head, and make the right decision will come over time.
      25. Reina - no explanation needed, Saturday was just extra proof

      Undecided

      4. Aquilani - again, another one who needs to hit the weight room. You can't be a scrawny little thing and expect to do well in this league. Especially, because when a lot of players aren't playing well, they can at least depend on their fitness and strength to at least carry them for awhile. Aquilani doesn't have that option
      12. Aurelio - simply because he has the greatest name in football, but other than that, I think that Aurelio is a perfect example of mid-level player. I mean, he shows flashes of brilliance, and is overall generally reliable to get good crosses in, but he has no short of a few times left us all shaking our head.
      16. Kyrgiakos - I think he got off to a slow start, a lot of adjusting had to be made, I mean, he's an older guy coming to a much faster, competitive league then he had known. I think that Saturday we saw the defender that Rafa was hoping we'd see a bit earlier in the season. So hopefully, he's finally adjusted, but it's too soon to tell.
      17. Rodriguez - too soon to tell, I think he'll be fine if he adjusts quickly, and he was freeeeeeeeee
      5. Agger - Daniel Agger was once the next big thing among defenders, but after a few injuries, we're all scratching our heads wondering where the Danny of old has gone. He just seems to be having more difficulty with the position these days, man marking, headers, etc. I'd like to see him turn in around, and I have faith that he will in the coming weeks
      27. Degen - looks like he's really starting to grow into himself. He's got a lot of heart to recover from all those injuries and still have such a strong desire to play. I feel like there are big things for him in the future, and I hope that it's with us
      34. Kelly - he looked good for us earlier this year, and to be honest, if he weren't injured now, he'd probably have a good shot at getting in the team. I'd love to see more of this kid, he's got heart, and being a scouser doesn't hurt either
      37. Skrtel - started off so strongly with what he did last season, but his head is in an entirely different world completely this year. I mean, his marking, heading, clearing, where to start? The potential is definitely there, I just think his game needs tweeking. I'm confident he'll come good though.
      47. Pacheco, 32. Darby, 31. El Zhar, 40. Ayala, 26. Spearing - these are the young kids, they've had some bright spots and since we have no money to bring in new talent, these are the players that we need to develop
      20. Mascherano - defensively, he's solid, but he give you absolutely nothing in attack and this season that has proven to be a huge issue. Not to mention, his heads been toward Barca since he arrived at Anfield. I like Masch, he's got heart, but who knows if we'll see him next season.

      Miss
      19. Babel - he's got a terrible attitude. Sometimes you tolerate terrible attitudes with players if they're great players, but Babels only all right most of the time, and sometimes that's not even the case. He's got no reason to bi*ch and whine the way he has been over the past year. He keeps reiterating how good he is, and how he should play. I say one simple thing to all that crap. Shut up and show it on the pitch. Your play will speak for itself, and so far it hasn't. I think the fact that Babel even plays at all shows how weak our squad depth really is, because after his twitter raids, I wouldn't want this kid anywhere near the locker room. Babel's 23, he wont be a 'young' player for too much longer if he hasn't grown out of it already.



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      Re: Hit, Miss or Undecided !!!!!
      Reply #9: Jan 17, 2010 05:39:04 pm
      1. Cavalieri -  ??? hasn't played.
          * 2. Johnson- HIT , brilliant in the beginning of the season.
          * 4. Aquilani- UNDECIDED- though I completely agree that he needs more games before we can finally judge him.
          * 5. Agger- somewhere between HIT and UNDECIDED.
          * 8. Gerrard- UNDECIDED, considering his form this season.
          * 9. Torres- HIT, considering he has already got some 13-odd goals in a season marred by injuries and poor quality of supply to him.
          * 11. Riera- hasn't played enough
          * 12. Aurelio- same as Riera
          * 15. Benayoun- HIT
          * 16. Kyrgiakos- UNDECIDED, though he had a very good game against Stoke.
          * 17. Rodriguez- let him atleast make a full debut. :P
          * 18. Kuyt- MISS
          * 19. Babel- MISS
          * 20. Mascherano- UNDECIDED- needs to be back to his brilliant best.
          * 21. Lucas- HIT
          * 22. Insua- MISS, not good enough this season.
          * 23. Carragher- MISS
          * 24. Ngog- UNDECIDED.
          * 25. Reina- HIT
          * 27. Degen- UNDECIDED- from what we have seen of him till now, he is a decent player, but just want to see how he goes on from here.
          * 37. Skrtel- UNDECIDED
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      Re: Hit, Miss or Undecided !!!!!
      Reply #10: Jan 17, 2010 06:29:46 pm

          * 1. Cavalieri - HIT - If we had remained in the cup competitions, he would have blossomed.
          * 2. Johnson - HIT
          * 4. Aquilani - HIT - His exploits in the game against Reading was quite commendable. he is too sharp for some of our players though
          * 5. Agger - HIT
          * 8. Gerrard - HIT
          * 9. Torres - HIT
          * 11. Riera - HIT - His start was awesome. Has a good control on the ball.
          * 12. Aurelio - HIT - Has grown at Anfield. A free-kick specialist.
          * 15. Benayoun - HIT
          * 16. Kyrgiakos - HIT - Said it before, he is very good in the air.
          * 17. Rodriguez - UNDECIDED - He had a chance to prove himself yesterday but he didn't do anything with the opportunity
          * 18. Kuyt - DIFFICULT ONE - A Hit as a utility player and a miss as a striker. His best ever season was 08-09
          * 19. Babel - UNDECIDED - Didn't really get to play in his natural position. Forced to fit into a 4-5-1 position.
          * 20. Mascherano - HIT
          * 21. Lucas - HIT - For his age, he has done very well.
          * 22. Insua - HIT - he is still young. he has done well. Bailed us out when Dosenna-signed didn't jel
          * 23. Carragher - HIT
          * 24. Ngog - HIT - Still young. needs to learn from Benayoun and Torres.
          * 25. Reina - HIT
          * 26. Spearing - UNDECIDED
          * 27. Degen - HIT - Needs more playing time
          * 28. Plessis - UNDECIDED
          * 29. Nemeth - UNDECIDED
          * 30. Itandje - MISS
          * 31. El Zhar - MISS - Age is not on his side. If he has not cracked the top team at 24(?) and you're already injury prone? Sorry
          * 32. Darby - UNDECIDED
          * 34. Kelly - UNDECIDED
          * 37. Skrtel - HIT
          
      Tell the truth. A lot of our players can play in any top 4 team.
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      Re: Hit, Miss or Undecided !!!!!
      Reply #11: Jan 17, 2010 06:57:02 pm
      This is load of bull, brought up by the press & tv media.

      Every manager in the modern game, goes through loads of players.

      Some are a hit some are a miss. ffs.

      Id love to see how many Fergie went through in his first 7 years at the mancs.
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      Re: Hit, Miss or Undecided !!!!!
      Reply #12: Jan 17, 2010 07:19:24 pm
      This is load of bull, brought up by the press & tv media.


      Its not a load of bull at all mate its getting a genuine consensus of what us as Liverpool fans think of our current squad...its hardly media driven as I don't work for the media ;D

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