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      May 18, 2009 07:19:15 am
      Hopefully this is the right place to post.Sorry if it isn't mods.

      As we all know they won the title again this year and equaled our record of 18 titles.We haven't won it for 20 years now, and as a fan who just started supporting Liverpool since 2000 when I was 12 ,I have never seen us winning the league before and as a result of that I have got a lot of stick from them! I understand that it is all part of football!

      But what really gets to me is the fact that,most MU fans celebrate their victory by making fun of us more than celebrating their own team. I was having a look at Redcafe  (Mancs forum) and not surprisingly the had a lot of threads that made fun of us!! They even had a thread to mock RAWK!! Now I know that Internet wasn't around the last time when we won the league,but my point is....Were our fans back then so full of themselves and arrogant that we made the so called MU "fans" "suffer" ?? I personally don't think we were as low as them!!But, I would like a honest answer from the good people in this forum who were lucky enough to  King Kenny's rule!!
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      Reply #1: May 18, 2009 10:00:56 am
       When we were cleaning up all the league titles,F.A.Cups,League Cups and all the European Cups we did it with style and we did it with modest managers.Ferguson can never be compared to Bill Shankly,Bob Paisley,Joe Fagan and Kenny Dalglish in fact it is an insult to even mention his name when talking about our famous managers.The same goes for the fans,L.F.C. fans have long been recognised as the most knowledgeable and fairest in the world and that is why all the top class players love to play at Anfield and get first hand experience of the Kop in full voice.
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      Reply #2: May 18, 2009 11:11:38 am
      But what really gets to me is the fact that,most MU fans celebrate their victory by making fun of us more than celebrating their own team. I was having a look at Redcafe  (Mancs forum) and not surprisingly the had a lot of threads that made fun of us!! They even had a thread to mock RAWK!!

      Redcafe is just the inbreds version of RAWK.

      They are completely obsessed, which is why every game they sing about us, why Fergie had to mention how his all-star title winning team was never three goals worse than us at Old Trafford.

      Put it this way, they won the league and needed a soundtrack to party to. When we win that F***ing league, any richter scale measurement around Anfield that day would be off the scale. We'll provide our own soundtrack, just like we provide our own flags and banners.
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      Reply #3: May 18, 2009 12:01:35 pm
      I was a regular at Anfield during the 1970's and 1980's when we were at our most successful. Whilst not as bad as the Utd fans there was still an unhealthy obsession amongst some Liverpool fans to a Man Utd team who were not doing well, e.g singing the Munich song at most games. We should have just risen above the whole thing.
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      Reply #4: May 18, 2009 12:01:45 pm
      Redcafe is just the inbreds version of RAWK.

      They are completely obsessed, which is why every game they sing about us, why Fergie had to mention how his all-star title winning team was never three goals worse than us at Old Trafford.


      Bitter isn't he? But the way the media in Britain is.... ..I mean I heard Richard keys saying something about Rafa not gracious in defeat! How come Fergie never gets that thrown at him? What would  have Shanks done...if he was asked were Mu the better team now?
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      Reply #5: May 18, 2009 12:04:10 pm
      I was a regular at Anfield during the 1970's and 1980's when we were at our most successful. Whilst not as bad as the Utd fans there was still an unhealthy obsession amongst some Liverpool fans to a Man Utd team who were not doing well, e.g singing the Munich song at most games. We should have just risen above the whole thing.

      That is really bad!! Those who sang about Munich should be ashamed to call themselves Liverpool fans!! I guess the honest assessment is that both clubs have a fair number of plastic fans but maybe ..just maybe United have more!
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      Reply #6: May 18, 2009 03:42:05 pm
      That is really bad!! Those who sang about Munich should be ashamed to call themselves Liverpool fans!! I guess the honest assessment is that both clubs have a fair number of plastic fans but maybe ..just maybe United have more!

      Well we've probably got more now but back in the 70s and 80s Liverpool had their share as well, it's like when you met a cockney ten years ago they were always Arsenal fans. Now when you meet a cockney he's a Chelsea fan.
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      Reply #7: May 18, 2009 07:07:37 pm
      There was no PC brigade (thank God) back in the 60's 70's and 80's so if you don't appreciate that song you wouldnt have enjoyed going to Anfield it was far more hostile than today.There was even hostility between the Kop and the Anfield road end.
      But we did acknowledge good football and good effort hence the applause for goalkeepers and apposing teams that played well. Utd will never understand that good effort deserves respect so no we were not like them and never will be.
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      Reply #8: May 18, 2009 07:23:20 pm
      There was no PC brigade (thank God) back in the 60's 70's and 80's so if you don't appreciate that song you wouldnt have enjoyed going to Anfield it was far more hostile than today.There was even hostility between the Kop and the Anfield road end.
      But we did acknowledge good football and good effort hence the applause for goalkeepers and apposing teams that played well. Utd will never understand that good effort deserves respect so no we were not like them and never will be.

      Which song? I hope it's You'll never walk alone and not some song directed at the  Munich air crash!!
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      Reply #9: May 18, 2009 07:34:13 pm
      It comes in waves. When you have a team that has been as successful as United over the last 10 years your going to have a lot of pricks. A large group of United fans dont really know failure so your going to get a cocky attitude from them.  Every long run of success will breed animosity. I'm sure that level of hatred for United was felt by Man U fans in the 70-80's toward Liverpool. Times are different now with the Internet, forums,websites and fans and haters alike now have a chance to have their voices heard.

      I hate to say it but I'm sure Liverpool fans were dicks to United fans. Its just natural. Not that its right, chanting about Munich is pretty shitty. Its the same as if United chanted about Hillsborough.  It would be awesome to think that the fans in the 70's and 80's were perfect, but lets face facts, back then was the height of the Firms and hooligans and English Footall was far from the "Beautiful Game".
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      Reply #10: May 18, 2009 07:41:45 pm
      It comes in waves. When you have a team that has been as successful as United over the last 10 years your going to have a lot of pricks. A large group of United fans dont really know failure so your going to get a cocky attitude from them.  Every long run of success will breed animosity. I'm sure that level of hatred for United was felt by Man U fans in the 70-80's toward Liverpool. Times are different now with the Internet, forums,websites and fans and haters alike now have a chance to have their voices heard.

      I hate to say it but I'm sure Liverpool fans were dicks to United fans. Its just natural. Not that its right, chanting about Munich is pretty shitty. Its the same as if United chanted about Hillsborough.  It would be awesome to think that the fans in the 70's and 80's were perfect, but lets face facts, back then was the height of the Firms and hooligans and English Footall was far from the "Beautiful Game".

      Probably but the one thing that I believe that LFC had back then was that our managers were modest.Ferguson brought the whole hatred into the English game, and if there is one thing that I believe we haven't loss is our pride,honour and respect to referees!!
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      Reply #11: May 18, 2009 07:57:20 pm
      Probably but the one thing that I believe that LFC had back then was that our managers were modest.Ferguson brought the whole hatred into the English game, and if there is one thing that I believe we haven't loss is our pride,honour and respect to referees!!

      You think Ferguson brought the hatred into the English game? You can't be serious, I was a regular back then and chants about Munich and songs about Munich were the norm, I realise that people are going to be very offended by this but I'm about to speak the truth..........Again.... .

      The Heysel Stadium disaster was a very dark day for football but there was also something else very dark that day, and that was that almost every banner at the Liverpool end was about Munich......

      I expect lots of people to try and rewrite history by telling me that it wasn't true but it was........
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      Reply #12: May 18, 2009 08:09:37 pm
      Alright KC drop it....I hope this thread doesn't become a 'dark' thread!!I don't want people coming here and talking about Munich and Hillsborough.

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      Reply #13: May 18, 2009 08:09:46 pm
      I doubt it. Football fans have degraded over time, there used to be a friendly competitive atmosphere between rivals, now it's bitter hatred.

      Also, they are using us as a yardstick, and we weren't using them.
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      Reply #14: May 18, 2009 08:12:42 pm
      Alright KC drop it....I hope this thread doesn't become a 'dark' thread!!I don't want people coming here and talking about Munich and Hillsborough.



      Well yes I agree but to say that Fergie brought the hatred into English football is amazing, I started going in the seventies and I can assure you that football back then was far more full of hatred than it is now.......
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      Reply #15: May 18, 2009 08:14:10 pm
      I doubt it. Football fans have degraded over time, there used to be a friendly atmosphere between rivals, now it's bitter hatred.

      Also, they are using us as a yardstick, and we weren't using them.

      In my opinion there is nothing like the hatred that existed in the 70s and 80s..
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      Reply #16: May 18, 2009 08:16:38 pm
      In my opinion there is nothing like the hatred that existed in the 70s and 80s..

      But Liverpool and Everton fans could sit together at matches etc. Not like that nowadays.  Also, it might have something to do with money. Ticket prices going through the roof means that the thugs and hooligans are being priced out.

      In all probability I'm talking out of my arse.
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      Reply #17: May 18, 2009 08:39:16 pm
       Well ,tell you something... in Malaysia...most people here are MU fans at least they claim they are! But honestly they don't even know who is Bobby Charlton..now not all MU fans are glory hunters here but most of them are!! I admit that some Liverpool 'fans' here are plastic fans too!! However, since English football was only widely broadcast here in the 90's and that's when MU ruled. So forgive me for thinking that Ferguson brought hatred .......because in Malaysia most people don't have a good knowledge on the events before the "knock off the perch" comment!!Thanks for the info that in the 70s and 80s football was all about hatred....or so you say..
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      Reply #18: May 18, 2009 09:55:43 pm
      But Liverpool and Everton fans could sit together at matches etc. Not like that nowadays.  Also, it might have something to do with money. Ticket prices going through the roof means that the thugs and hooligans are being priced out.

      In all probability I'm talking out of my arse.

      That's a good point, I don't think you're talking out of your arse because I can remember when Liverpool and Everton fans could sit together at matches as well. But I think by and large nowadays the hatred is very much watered down, I remember being at Birmigham in the mid 70s and there was a pitched battle going on on the terraces for the whole game and about an hour before the game, it wasn't even on the news because it was pretty much the norm...

      If that happened today it would be all over the news because it's newsworthy given that it's so rare now....
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      Reply #19: May 18, 2009 09:58:12 pm
      Thanks for the info that in the 70s and 80s football was all about hatred....or so you say..

      I'm not making it up, some older posters on here will no doubt confirm this......
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      Reply #20: May 19, 2009 01:22:41 pm
      On the pitch during the 70s and 80s teams seemed to be modest and their managers where in general media shy genial men, yes we had the gobby Brian Clough or ‘Mr Bojangles’ Ron Atkinson but they where seen as entertainment because mainly what they came out with was not vindictive or malicious even if Cloughie lost the plot big time towards the end of his career when he became totally pickled due to his alcohol intake.

      During the height of our powers Bob Paisley was the epitome of modesty as he swept away all that was put before him, after the 77 cup final loss to Man Utd he sat on a bus coming home whilst Brian Moore interviewed him he then went on to say how it was a shame that we had lost but we had a European cup final to come on Wednesday and Liverpool would be doing their best to win and make Britain proud, all this was said without once bemoaning a conceded deflected goal or launching into a venomous ‘we woz robbed’ tirade against anyone from the Ref to the programme seller on Wembley way, in fact Bob delivered his post match interview with a lovely beaming smile on his face that he always had whether we won or lost.

      The point is he had grace in defeat and was magnanimous in his praise when we won and I think this attitude transferred itself to the fans, I never went round boasting and bragging to my mates because we all knew who the best team in Europe where yes it was Real Madrid!! ;D No it was Liverpool of course but why did we need to rub it in to other clubs when we won things every year surely boasting is something done by clubs who have never won much as they never know when they will lift a trophy again?

      On Merseyside I find the lads who tend to get on a high horse and brag and boast come from a group who have never been a game in their life, those who sit in the pub every Saturday wearing their replica top and watch the game on whatever foreign channel that’s showing it! The bitterest of blues I bump into also seem to fall under the same category and now seemed to be more preoccupied with how Liverpool have got on instead of their own team!

      Slur Alex didn’t set this trend of bragging to the extreme its just the way certain fans seem to have gone, every club has them I just think you will find most reds do not fall into this category, there’s a song by Ronan Keating I think (no I don’t have the album!) that goes something like “you say it best when you say nothing at all” and I think that line is perfect as I prefer to look smug rather than go for the all out verbal assault.

      Oh by the way about the bit that went off topic regarding the 70s-80s being better or worse violence/animosity wise, well in my opinion they where ten times worse back then. Yes Reds and blues mingled as pockets of each appeared on the Kop/Street end during a Derby with very few violent results, but the trouble with other fans was to the extreme to put it mildly as Rapid hardware in town sold more DIY items on a match day than the do now on a Bank holiday Monday and they weren’t for odd jobs round the house.

      This was going on long before Sir Alex appeared on the scene so to tarnish him with helping to remove the ‘friendly banter’ from a game is totally wrong, for me money is the root of all that’s wrong in our game, those who have it wave it about like Harry Enfields loadsamoney, those who don’t scrape to survive and cast envious glances up to the richer elite. Those elite seem to attract the ‘fashion fan’ somebody not football mad from birth but manufactured by the ability to follow who you want as long as you have the money.

      Through the 70s-80s I queued to get into Anfield, paid my money and took up my place on the Kop, fast forward to now in an age where you wait on a phone ticket line give them your credit card number and your in. The point I’m making is the lazy reds fan the fan who isn’t that bothered whether he gets in or not is in a lottery with fans who would bleed to get into Anfield and usually the wrong fan seems to win that lottery and that can only be detrimental to our support.


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      This was going on long before Sir Alex appeared on the scene so to tarnish him with helping to remove the ‘friendly banter’ from a game is totally wrong, for me money is the root of all that’s wrong in our game, those who have it wave it about like Harry Enfields loadsamoney, those who don’t scrape to survive and cast envious glances up to the richer elite. Those elite seem to attract the ‘fashion fan’ somebody not football mad from birth but manufactured by the ability to follow who you want as long as you have the money.

      Through the 70s-80s I queued to get into Anfield, paid my money and took up my place on the Kop, fast forward to now in an age where you wait on a phone ticket line give them your credit card number and your in. The point I’m making is the lazy reds fan the fan who isn’t that bothered whether he gets in or not is in a lottery with fans who would bleed to get into Anfield and usually the wrong fan seems to win that lottery and that can only be detrimental to our support.



      I agree with this because I too was going in the 70s and 80s, nowadays you need to be chairman of ICI to be able to afford football. I was a teenager with a low paid job and yet I could still afford to go to every home game as well as several away games, I remember when I was at school and I read that Stuart Pearson got £400 a week......

      I was absolutely gobsmacked that someone could be paid so much but look at it now, a half decent player is getting 40 or 50 grand and the really good players are getting in excess of £100,000 a week, it stinks...
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      Reply #22: May 19, 2009 03:10:58 pm
      One thing i do remember is everybody did hate us, because we were the best....now we are again.
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      Reply #23: May 19, 2009 03:46:36 pm

      Through the 70s-80s I queued to get into Anfield, paid my money and took up my place on the Kop, fast forward to now in an age where you wait on a phone ticket line give them your credit card number and your in. The point I’m making is the lazy reds fan the fan who isn’t that bothered whether he gets in or not is in a lottery with fans who would bleed to get into Anfield and usually the wrong fan seems to win that lottery and that can only be detrimental to our support.


      Darn!! I still thought that one day I would be able to go to Anfield  get the tickets from the counter!!How wrong was I??I hear people laughing already :sigh:
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      Reply #24: May 22, 2009 11:39:04 am
      Firstly you cant compare eras from the 70s and 80s to now coz the game is totally anonymous to what it was then, and yes including the fans. The way i remember it was that the football was hard and fair and ultra competitive even then. And that transmitted itself to the fans. Sonme tolerated each other , some despised each other. Yes, there was things that werent right that were sang all over the country, thats just how it was. But i like to think that because of well known events that football sorted itself out and has turned into the best league in the world, dont get me wrong i wish some things would never have changed like daft rules of the game. But one thing i know for a FACT is that when we ruled the roost e were normal football supporters who went to the game and sung our hearts out but we were never big headed or disrespectful as United are. We were the best but we didnt rub peoples noses in it. And oh Mr Cantona check out your glorious fans waiting for us after the 4--1 on youtube to listen to how theyve progressed. Disgusting.
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      Reply #25: May 22, 2009 12:33:44 pm
      Firstly you cant compare eras from the 70s and 80s to now coz the game is totally anonymous to what it was then, and yes including the fans. The way I remember it was that the football was hard and fair and ultra competitive even then. And that transmitted itself to the fans. Sonme tolerated each other , some despised each other. Yes, there was things that werent right that were sang all over the country, thats just how it was. But I like to think that because of well known events that football sorted itself out and has turned into the best league in the world, dont get me wrong I wish some things would never have changed like daft rules of the game. But one thing I know for a FACT is that when we ruled the roost e were normal football supporters who went to the game and sung our hearts out but we were never big headed or disrespectful as United are. We were the best but we didnt rub peoples noses in it. And oh Mr Cantona check out your glorious fans waiting for us after the 4--1 on youtube to listen to how theyve progressed. Disgusting.


      I think it's quite amazing how biased you are, you've only got to read the posts on here to see how little you've progressed, I've seen United fans pulled off buses on Merseyside by Liverpool 'fans' and beaten to a pulp...

      Anyone who points to a YouTube video as an accurate representation of ANY fans is an idiot..... 8)......
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      Reply #26: May 22, 2009 12:39:57 pm
      Firstly you cant compare eras from the 70s and 80s to now coz the game is totally anonymous to what it was then, and yes including the fans. The way I remember it was that the football was hard and fair and ultra competitive even then. And that transmitted itself to the fans. Sonme tolerated each other , some despised each other. Yes, there was things that werent right that were sang all over the country, thats just how it was. But I like to think that because of well known events that football sorted itself out and has turned into the best league in the world, dont get me wrong I wish some things would never have changed like daft rules of the game. But one thing I know for a FACT is that when we ruled the roost e were normal football supporters who went to the game and sung our hearts out but we were never big headed or disrespectful as United are. We were the best but we didnt rub peoples noses in it. And oh Mr Cantona check out your glorious fans waiting for us after the 4--1 on youtube to listen to how theyve progressed. Disgusting.


      Oh..can you post me the link to that video? ;)
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      Reply #27: May 22, 2009 06:44:20 pm
      Why do we have to have moronic utd fans on here. UTd have ALWAYS been hated even when they were relegated they were hated because they are a hateful nasty club and Ferguson is the embodiment of UTD. Liverpool were not hated in the same way its right to boast of success but our Managers and players were humble. Ask the Arsenal fans who witnessed their league triumph over us at Anfield 20 years ago. Nobody left and we saluted Arsenal for being good Champions you would never get that at Old Trafford not now not ever.So I'll never take a lesson from any Utd fan and you and your team will go on being hated until your learn humility and dignity in victory and defeat.
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      Reply #28: May 22, 2009 07:26:44 pm
      Why do we have to have moronic utd fans on here. UTd have ALWAYS been hated even when they were relegated they were hated because they are a hateful nasty club and Ferguson is the embodiment of UTD. Liverpool were not hated in the same way its right to boast of success but our Managers and players were humble. Ask the Arsenal fans who witnessed their league triumph over us at Anfield 20 years ago. Nobody left and we saluted Arsenal for being good Champions you would never get that at Old Trafford not now not ever.So I'll never take a lesson from any Utd fan and you and your team will go on being hated until your learn humility and dignity in victory and defeat.

      I tell you what mate i think we are more hated now than we ever where in the 70s and 80s, our blue brothers for instance now have a hardcore of fans who actually sing songs that i for one never thought i would hear after the closeness they showed to us during our dark times, you may say its only a few well go to Goodison on a match day and you will hear the ground united (their b team) as hate flows from the terraces.
      I was at Anfield for the night Arsenal pipped us to the league in 89 and as you rightly pointed out when they won the league nobody left and they where clapped by the ground as a whole, i can honestly say that as it was only weeks after Hillsborough i really couldn't have given a crap who won the league as football just wasn't that important anymore. I will say i still think we would have seen fans stay though and applaud the champions even if most of us where numb at the time but i doubt very much Arsenal would have got the same standing ovation if they repeated the feat today.

      If we are such sporting fans why when the Mancs beat us in that crappy cup final that Cantona scored in did myself and thousands of other reds desert our end at the final whistle? Because we hate Man Utd you may say, but does that mean we can only be sporting if we like the team we are playing?

      Not all Liverpool fans are holier than thou! we have knobheads as much as the Mancs and for that matter every team in the country, but i do like to think we do in general know our stuff and dont have to resort to insults and name calling, and from most of his posts King Cantona seems to anything but moronic.

      On a day of football whether we play Man Utd or not i pray for them to lose, i cant stand them and the majority of their plastic Surrey dwelling knobhead fans BUT! they do have some good lads (honest) and i have had some cracking football chats with them over the years but sadly for one reason or another the days of the ordinary fan having a yap about their aspirations for their team seem to have gone out the window.

      Oh and by the way lads whilst your mentioning Youtube as a means of seeing our lads getting a good hiding try looking for The battle of Everton valley (it might have been a blues game but our lads where there) and you will see its all swings and roundabouts in the who's smacking who stakes. ;)

      No iam not a pro United Liverpool fan i am a red who thinks banter and a well put together argument is all that matters on a forum and i hope the Mods welcome all fans onto our site as long as they dont take the P**s!

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      Reply #29: May 22, 2009 07:44:37 pm
      I do not think the question "Were we like the Mancs when we were ruling??" can be full answered one way of the other. The Media is a totally different ball game now, Cable, Satellite, Live Games, Internet are all new, if they were available when we were winning the league, then may be we would have been obnoxious tw*ts, but we will never know. ::)
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      Reply #30: May 22, 2009 09:22:17 pm
      I think RedPuppy Hits the nail on the head here its all down to the new age media Cable, Satellite, Internet. If as he says they'd been available when we we're winning the league would we have been as obnoxious as the mancs are ? NO ! not then, not now not ever !
      But we didn't have it the way United have it now, the money, the champions (!) league, everybody on there side, the advent of the Internet and sky which have all magnified their success and popularity around the world !
      Yes I'm jealous of the coverage there getting because if we had had it back then our stature as the greatest most admired club in the land would be even more magnified, it's just there good fortune that their success coincided with the media boom !
      when we reach the summit again the coverage will totally wipeout anything United have ever known !
      the attendances at the old toilet will drop considerably, there will be no way back for them, there able to recover from the Arse and Chavs pinching a title BUT US !

      King Cantona is right when he says;
      To say that Fergie brought the hatred into English football is amazing, I started going in the seventies and I can assure you that football back then was far more full of hatred than it is now.......
      I don't for one minute blame Fergie for the hatred in the game, it was there before he was and will be there when he's gone ! the difference is the way in which it's getting reported SKY/INTERNET ! , there's less of it now because of segregration at matches I can remember along with older people on here, the reason for fencing in the fans ! and it wasn't that they resembled sheep !
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      Reply #31: May 22, 2009 10:12:16 pm
      Why do we have to have moronic utd fans on here. UTd have ALWAYS been hated even when they were relegated they were hated because they are a hateful nasty club and Ferguson is the embodiment of UTD. Liverpool were not hated in the same way its right to boast of success but our Managers and players were humble. Ask the Arsenal fans who witnessed their league triumph over us at Anfield 20 years ago. Nobody left and we saluted Arsenal for being good Champions you would never get that at Old Trafford not now not ever.So I'll never take a lesson from any Utd fan and you and your team will go on being hated until your learn humility and dignity in victory and defeat.


      In this thread it has been posted as FACT that Liverpool fans were great fans who sang their hearts out for the club and were paragons of virtue.....

      I have absolutely no doubt that that was true for the majority but I have had too much of the bad aspects of United fans posted on here and being told that that is what ALL United fans are like when you know it's not true...

      Every club has bad fans and yes it even includes Liverpool..........
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      Reply #32: May 22, 2009 10:21:07 pm
      Yes I'm jealous of the coverage there getting because if we had had it back then our stature as the greatest most admired club in the land would be even more magnified, it's just there good fortune that their success coincided with the media boom !
      when we reach the summit again the coverage will totally wipeout anything United have ever known !
      the attendances at the old toilet will drop considerably, there will be no way back for them, there able to recover from the Arse and Chavs pinching a title BUT US !

      Well actually frizzby we had the biggest crowds in the country in the 70s when we only won the FA Cup once, well the 2nd Division Championship doesn't really count does it?... ;)...
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      Re: Were we like the Mancs when we were ruling??
      Reply #33: May 22, 2009 10:51:45 pm
      Hopefully this is the right place to post.Sorry if it isn't mods.

      As we all know they won the title again this year and equaled our record of 18 titles.We haven't won it for 20 years now, and as a fan who just started supporting Liverpool since 2000 when I was 12 ,I have never seen us winning the league before and as a result of that I have got a lot of stick from them! I understand that it is all part of football!

      But what really gets to me is the fact that,most MU fans celebrate their victory by making fun of us more than celebrating their own team. I was having a look at Redcafe  (Mancs forum) and not surprisingly the had a lot of threads that made fun of us!! They even had a thread to mock RAWK!! Now I know that Internet wasn't around the last time when we won the league,but my point is....Were our fans back then so full of themselves and arrogant that we made the so called MU "fans" "suffer" ?? I personally don't think we were as low as them!!But, I would like a honest answer from the good people in this forum who were lucky enough to  King Kenny's rule!!

      To be honest I wouldnt read to much into this forum crap to be honest alot of the fans are people who have never even or seen our football grounds . What they tend to do is latch on to our banter and over do it abit .

      I had one girl from Cyprus she was about 17 years old telling me how to talk about my club the club my family have followed since the 40's to the 60's to the 90's to present it pisses me off .

      Another American lad entered every quiz getting every question correct odvious he had cheated and used the net for the answers but when puzzled about it he claimed he was a football genuis . Nonsense .

      Thats why I post on other forums because I just lose my temper with them and end up snapping.

      Not all United fans are idiots Liverpool had a good season I hold my hands up but you cant expect us real fans not to celebrate.
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      Reply #34: May 22, 2009 11:05:42 pm
      We want you to celebrate. We understand your highs and lows. It's just that we'd rather you had the lows and we had the highs! We're hoping next season we have the highs and you have the lows. And I'm (not) sorry to say, we hope you get battered in Rome! ;)
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      Reply #35: May 22, 2009 11:59:14 pm
      We want you to celebrate. We understand your highs and lows. It's just that we'd rather you had the lows and we had the highs! We're hoping next season we have the highs and you have the lows. And I'm (not) sorry to say, we hope you get battered in Rome! ;)

      Thank you Gow, I wouldn't expect anything else.......;)........
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      Re: Were we like the Mancs when we were ruling??
      Reply #36: May 23, 2009 12:50:41 am
      I started going the games in the mid 80's.  Personally, I think the atmospheres are worse now.  Newcastle for instance, we used to have a great crack with.  Nowadays, all the pubs, even the 'away ones' they are barred from. 

      The whole Everton thing is another example. 

      Just because Sky appear to have sanitised the whole thing - underneath the surface, around the grounds after the game and some of the chanting inside, is a lot worse than when I first went to games.

      Just my observations.
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      Re: Were we like the Mancs when we were ruling??
      Reply #37: May 23, 2009 01:30:54 am
      Well ,tell you something... in Malaysia...most people here are MU fans at least they claim they are! But honestly they don't even know who is Bobby Charlton..now not all MU fans are glory hunters here but most of them are!! I admit that some Liverpool 'fans' here are plastic fans too!! However, since English football was only widely broadcast here in the 90's and that's when MU ruled. So forgive me for thinking that Ferguson brought hatred .......because in Malaysia most people don't have a good knowledge on the events before the "knock off the perch" comment!!Thanks for the info that in the 70s and 80s football was all about hatred....or so you say..

      The other day I asked a couple of mates of mine whom claimed to be Manchester United fans. They didn't even know when Manchester United was established when I asked them. Talk about glory hunters :P

      Like you said, not all Malaysians are glory hunting Man United fans, but most of them are. So happens that those born in the late 1980s to early 1990s grew up with United winning alot of trophies in the 1990s. That's why they start saying they are Man United fans when they don't know much about the club.

      In my observation, people who enjoyed footie around the late 1970s and in to 1980s tend to be Liverpool fans. I started supporting Liverpool around 2000 cause I used to follow Michael Owen alot and my love for the Reds grew when Liverpool beat Man United 3-1 at Anfield with John Arne Riise's tremendous left foot strike.
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      Reply #38: May 23, 2009 08:07:12 am
      No. We werent like the Mancs.

      We had humility.

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      Reply #39: May 23, 2009 09:22:43 am
      On the pitch during the 70s and 80s teams seemed to be modest and their managers where in general media shy genial men, yes we had the gobby Brian Clough or ‘Mr Bojangles’ Ron Atkinson but they where seen as entertainment because mainly what they came out with was not vindictive or malicious even if Cloughie lost the plot big time towards the end of his career when he became totally pickled due to his alcohol intake.

      During the height of our powers Bob Paisley was the epitome of modesty as he swept away all that was put before him, after the 77 cup final loss to Man Utd he sat on a bus coming home whilst Brian Moore interviewed him he then went on to say how it was a shame that we had lost but we had a European cup final to come on Wednesday and Liverpool would be doing their best to win and make Britain proud, all this was said without once bemoaning a conceded deflected goal or launching into a venomous ‘we woz robbed’ tirade against anyone from the Ref to the programme seller on Wembley way, in fact Bob delivered his post match interview with a lovely beaming smile on his face that he always had whether we won or lost.

      The point is he had grace in defeat and was magnanimous in his praise when we won and I think this attitude transferred itself to the fans, I never went round boasting and bragging to my mates because we all knew who the best team in Europe where yes it was Real Madrid!! ;D No it was Liverpool of course but why did we need to rub it in to other clubs when we won things every year surely boasting is something done by clubs who have never won much as they never know when they will lift a trophy again?

      On Merseyside I find the lads who tend to get on a high horse and brag and boast come from a group who have never been a game in their life, those who sit in the pub every Saturday wearing their replica top and watch the game on whatever foreign channel that’s showing it! The bitterest of blues I bump into also seem to fall under the same category and now seemed to be more preoccupied with how Liverpool have got on instead of their own team!

      Slur Alex didn’t set this trend of bragging to the extreme its just the way certain fans seem to have gone, every club has them I just think you will find most reds do not fall into this category, there’s a song by Ronan Keating I think (no I don’t have the album!) that goes something like “you say it best when you say nothing at all” and I think that line is perfect as I prefer to look smug rather than go for the all out verbal assault.

      Oh by the way about the bit that went off topic regarding the 70s-80s being better or worse violence/animosity wise, well in my opinion they where ten times worse back then. Yes Reds and blues mingled as pockets of each appeared on the Kop/Street end during a Derby with very few violent results, but the trouble with other fans was to the extreme to put it mildly as Rapid hardware in town sold more DIY items on a match day than the do now on a Bank holiday Monday and they weren’t for odd jobs round the house.

      This was going on long before Sir Alex appeared on the scene so to tarnish him with helping to remove the ‘friendly banter’ from a game is totally wrong, for me money is the root of all that’s wrong in our game, those who have it wave it about like Harry Enfields loadsamoney, those who don’t scrape to survive and cast envious glances up to the richer elite. Those elite seem to attract the ‘fashion fan’ somebody not football mad from birth but manufactured by the ability to follow who you want as long as you have the money.

      Through the 70s-80s I queued to get into Anfield, paid my money and took up my place on the Kop, fast forward to now in an age where you wait on a phone ticket line give them your credit card number and your in. The point I’m making is the lazy reds fan the fan who isn’t that bothered whether he gets in or not is in a lottery with fans who would bleed to get into Anfield and usually the wrong fan seems to win that lottery and that can only be detrimental to our support.

       A cracking post plus off me .


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      Re: Were we like the Mancs when we were ruling??
      Reply #40: May 23, 2009 09:39:38 am
      The other day I asked a couple of mates of mine whom claimed to be Manchester United fans. They didn't even know when Manchester United was established when I asked them. Talk about glory hunters :P

      Like you said, not all Malaysians are glory hunting Man United fans, but most of them are. So happens that those born in the late 1980s to early 1990s grew up with United winning alot of trophies in the 1990s. That's why they start saying they are Man United fans when they don't know much about the club.

      In my observation, people who enjoyed footie around the late 1970s and in to 1980s tend to be Liverpool fans. I started supporting Liverpool around 2000 cause I used to follow Michael Owen alot and my love for the Reds grew when Liverpool beat Man United 3-1 at Anfield with John Arne Riise's tremendous left foot strike.

      I have to agree with you on this Ad. Most of the our fellow Malaysian Man Utd supporters are well under 20's so I do understand why they crazily in love with Man Utd...and the girls, after David Beckham comes sissy Ronaldo to drool over. Most of them supports Man Utd because they won so many things. You don't ask them about Booby Bobby charlton, just ask them about Lee Sharpe and I can assure you they didn't have a clue who this guy was! Not to mention Kanchelskis!I started supporting Liverpool since 1990 (sadly the time we started to lose grip on the league title) but I supported Liverpool not because of their history but the passion of their fans eventhough they are losing, they still sang their hearts out.

      Here in Malaysia, if you are a Liverpool supporter then you'll in the Veterans Group as most of our supporter here are well beyond 40's...Well veteran or not, they are truly pure and genuine supporter. I'd rather be with an aging senile Liverpool supporter than to be with a plastic poser Man Utd supporter who didn't even know Dennis Irwin was!
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      Re: Were we like the Mancs when we were ruling??
      Reply #41: May 23, 2009 12:45:06 pm
      Well actually frizzby we had the biggest crowds in the country in the 70s when we only won the FA Cup once, well the 2nd Division Championship doesn't really count does it?... ;)...
      Not for a single moment am I saying you weren't well supported then or even now for that matter, you have a stadium that I admire both as a structure and it's location but there lies the solution (Capacity),  we can't hope to match your attendances until we expand or move (we can't even match Newcastle's and they may be playing in the Championship next year)!
      my comment was, what will be your fans reaction be to playing second fiddle to us when we win the title, I'm sure in my mind that a lot of your fans are not true United fans and are on the so called winners bandwaggon.
      Because of our limited seating our attendances are constantly in the mid 40k's and have been since all seating came in, what I'm trying to say is I think your attendances will suffer when your overtaken by us due to your "bandwaggon fans" deserting you but we'll only know when it happens !
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      Reply #42: May 23, 2009 01:59:40 pm
      my comment was, what will be your fans reaction be to playing second fiddle to us when we win the title, I'm sure in my mind that a lot of your fans are not true United fans and are on the so called winners bandwaggon.
      Because of our limited seating our attendances are constantly in the mid 40k's and have been since all seating came in, what I'm trying to say is I think your attendances will suffer when your overtaken by us due to your "bandwaggon fans" deserting you but we'll only know when it happens !

      I almost wish those days were back, It may happen one day but not any time soon, I'm certain you are correct about true United fans but you are no doubt unaware of the vast number of United fans (from Manchester) who would love to get into Old Trafford but can't get a ticket. Maybe these people will now get a chance....
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      Reply #43: May 23, 2009 04:11:26 pm
      I earlier said the main difference was Humility.

      This was and still is prevalent throughout the whole of our club.......with the exception of Hansel and Gretel.

      There are other teams around, like us..........

      Thought this was a relevant article from Football365.com describing the difference between Barcelona FOOTBALL Club and the Mankers.




      "In the Blaugrana corner, a club owned by its fans, which donates 1 million Euros a year to UNICEF for wearing its name on their shirts, and is officially named 'FC Barcelona' reminding them that they are, first and foremost, a football club.

      In the Red corner, a merchandising machine owned by American business interests that takes in 14.5 million US$ a year from AIG (i.e. NOW from hardworking US taxpayers) for wearing its name on their shirts, and who dropped the words 'football club' from their logo back  in 1998 as it did not "fit in with the marketing brand"."

      Says it all....

      Money ISN'T everything Mankers.

      NO we were never like them and we NEVER will be.

      (PS Born in the Fifties.)
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      Reply #44: May 23, 2009 04:39:00 pm
      When we were cleaning up all the league titles,F.A.Cups,League Cups and all the European Cups we did it with style and we did it with modest managers.Ferguson can never be compared to Bill Shankly,Bob Paisley,Joe Fagan and Kenny Dalglish in fact it is an insult to even mention his name when talking about our famous managers.The same goes for the fans,L.F.C. fans have long been recognised as the most knowledgeable and fairest in the world and that is why all the top class players love to play at Anfield and get first hand experience of the Kop in full voice.

      What nonsense, Ferguson whether you like him or not is one of Britains most successful managers and ranks alongside the past greats of the game, that includes Shankly and Paisley. As for winning it in style, what are you referring too? Shankly played as much mind games and gave sarcastic comments as Ferguson has done in the past and will do so in the future. Shankly's comments about Everton being a shining example. Does this diminish Shankly reputation as a catalyst for creating the rich history that we enjoy today? Of course it doesn't, it's the same with Ferguson.

      As for fans, you get morons in every football club and Liverpool has had its fairshare in the past and will do so in the future, just as it does in the present. And don't delude yourself into thinking that every player who walks through Melwood and Anfield is a Liverpool fan. Ryan Babel is an Arsenal fan for example, his job is to play football and he plys his trade at Liverpool. I'm sure if Arsenal had come in for him, he'd have chosen them over us.
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      Reply #45: May 23, 2009 04:42:15 pm
      Alright KC drop it....I hope this thread doesn't become a 'dark' thread!!I don't want people coming here and talking about Munich and Hillsborough.



      Why not? Shouldn't the younger generations be taught about these things? Or are you afraid of having your sheer ignorance broken?
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      Reply #46: May 23, 2009 04:48:41 pm
      Why not? Shouldn't the younger generations be taught about these things? Or are you afraid of having your sheer ignorance broken?

      Ignorance? For your info BLUEdufflecoat..the reason I said that was because that issues might be quite sensitive for some of our posters!!what do you mean by 'ignorance' anyway?
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      Reply #47: May 23, 2009 04:54:07 pm
      There's a thread regarding the hillsborough...it's not said that we are totally unaware nor trying not to remind about the tragedy. But there's a thread for this...it's not about ignorance...
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      Reply #48: May 23, 2009 04:55:03 pm
      Ignorance? For your info BLUEdufflecoat..the reason I said that was because that issues might be quite sensitive for some of our posters!!what do you mean by 'ignorance' anyway?

      People shouldnt be so sensitive, its not like anyone here has mocked either Munich or Hillsborough is it?

      Ignorance (dictionary ref: the state or fact of being ignorant; lack of knowledge, learning, information, etc.)
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      Reply #49: May 23, 2009 04:59:11 pm
      People shouldnt be so sensitive, its not like anyone here has mocked either Munich or Hillsborough is it?

      Ignorance (dictionary ref: the state or fact of being ignorant; lack of knowledge, learning, information, etc.)

      If you noticed,few posts before that were about songs that fans sang during the 70's and 80'.You said that no one has been mocked here. That's fine, I just didn't want it to go that far! Understand!! It is not really nice of you accusing people of being ignorant of hillsborough when you don't even know them!!
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      Reply #50: May 23, 2009 05:10:58 pm
      Ignorance? For your info BLUEdufflecoat..the reason I said that was because that issues might be quite sensitive for some of our posters!!what do you mean by 'ignorance' anyway?

      I think the ignorance stems from present day Liverpool fans thinking that they were always whiter than white....

      No football club has fans that are whiter than white......

      Like it or not lots of Liverpool fans have been just as bad as other fans in the past......

      People are all individuals, they won't conform to what your ideal of a Liverpool fan is anymore than they would conform to what the stereotype of any football fan is...
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      Reply #51: May 23, 2009 05:21:24 pm
      I think the ignorance stems from present day Liverpool fans thinking that they were always whiter than white....

      No football club has fans that are whiter than white......

      Like it or not lots of Liverpool fans have been just as bad as other fans in the past......

      People are all individuals, they won't conform to what your ideal of a Liverpool fan is anymore than they would conform to what the stereotype of any football fan is...

      That was the whole point of this thread. Hey you cant blame us to be born in the late 80's you know. I read through the posts.I have read your accounts on how the banners at Anfield used to be and the fact that back then songs like that were sang at stadiums. I know no club has fans that are whiter than white.Never said liverpool fans were either!!

      The only reason that I asked the conversations of Hillsborough and Munich to be dropped is because I feared it would go too far.Now, I am SORRY if it is wrong to fear that  something like that would happen and trying to prevent it. But certainly Bluedufflecoat who claims to be a Liverpool fan, can't simply accuse another red  of being ignorant of Hillsborough!
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      Reply #52: May 23, 2009 05:22:06 pm
      We never in a million years said all Liverpool fans are whiter than whiter...but at least far more dignified than scum fans!
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      Reply #53: May 23, 2009 05:35:48 pm
      Think we shouldnt compare ourselves to the mancs. We played different styles and were completely different teams.
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      Reply #54: May 23, 2009 07:14:16 pm

      I have had too much of the bad aspects of United fans posted on here and being told that that is what ALL United fans are like when you know it's not true...

      Every club has bad fans and yes it even includes Liverpool..........

      May I curteously suggest that if you have had enough of the allegedly degrading comments about your supporters then you PISS OFF to a site that may complement them, may I suggest a Manc one ?
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      Reply #55: May 23, 2009 07:25:11 pm
      I think it's quite amazing how biased you are, you've only got to read the posts on here to see how little you've progressed, I've seen United fans pulled off buses on Merseyside by Liverpool 'fans' and beaten to a pulp...

      Anyone who points to a YouTube video as an accurate representation of ANY fans is an idiot..... 8)......
      Listen  idiot , that was just one example of the filthy hatred from your scumbag fans, i hear it every time i go to o.t. Yes it used to happen at our place but like ive said .. weve progressed and are still by and far the best supporters in the world.. youre fans hatred has just festered.  And this is not bias  its just the way i see it honestly. Youll have your opinion obviously, but why dont you go and call us and brew your special brew of anti - scouse hate with the rest of them on your own sites.. and ill go on being an idiot hey! ;D
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      Reply #56: May 23, 2009 08:03:17 pm
      I have supported LFC since the early 70s and remember the great Bill Shankley and Bob Paisley...
      Bill Shanks was a great man who was able to be humorous with his comments about other teams and players.. it was always said with a twinkle in his eye and very much tongue in cheek and was never ever a personal nasty barbed with his remarks (Sir Slurguson.. please note!!)
      Then the great Bob Paisley.. a shy retiring man who never sought the limelight who despite all his success ( a lot of which was down to the Boot Room staff and he would have been and was the first too admit) was never one for outrageous rantings and fingerpointing at referees or other op ponenets. (Sir Slurguson please note !!)
      The game of football has changed beyond all recognition since the forming of the Premiership and it pains me to say it the change has been to the detriment of real football fans.
      I have said it before.. and will say it again... all empires crumble.... I never thought that the success that LFC had would ever end..... Man Utds current run will end maybe not next season, but it will.
      Their fans like ours will then be left pondering where did it all go wrong!!!
      Its not only in the Premiership that football clubs empires crumble a quick look at the demise of Real Madrid is a typical example.
      Chelsea FC were hailed as the team that would ruin football in this country courtesy of all their ££ billion owner yet they are plagued by in fighting and yet look at their league position this season !!
      I was a little upset by our Rafa rising to the bait of the poison spewed by red nose this season and hope he rises above it and ignores the tw*t next season.
      There will always be animosity between us and Man Utd but in short Sir Slurguson, the Nevillle chuckle brothers, Rooney and Rio Ferdinand to name but a few take their hatred of LFC beyond the pale.
      No football fan minds light hearted banter and some piss taking it-comes with the game.
      In short Sir Slurguson want to beat our titles total and win the 19th next season... all I can say is there should be no better motivation by the Rafa and the LFC players to get on the playing field for every match next season and ram it down Man Utds throats !!
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      Re: Were we like the Mancs when we were ruling??
      Reply #57: May 23, 2009 08:48:31 pm

      If you noticed,few posts before that were about songs that fans sang during the 70's and 80'.You said that no one has been mocked here. That's fine, I just didn't want it to go that far! Understand!! It is not really nice of you accusing people of being ignorant of hillsborough when you don't even know them!!

      Maybe you misunderstood me, I coined the term, ignorance with regards to your 'apparent' lack of knowledge about how large sections of the Liverpool faithful often mocked the Munich Air Disaster.
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      Reply #58: May 23, 2009 08:50:49 pm
      Maybe you misunderstood me, I coined the term, ignorance with regards to your 'apparent' lack of knowledge about how large sections of the Liverpool faithful often mocked the Munich Air Disaster.

      Well no grudges then!! Sorry for the misunderstanding.;)
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      Reply #59: May 23, 2009 08:55:52 pm
      May I curteously suggest that if you have had enough of the allegedly degrading comments about your supporters then you PISS OFF to a site that may complement them, may I suggest a Manc one ?

      Immaturity, debating with opposition fans is great, and King Cantona, hasnt displayed any rudeness in his behaviour, he has argued his points from a different perspective and his contribution should be welcomed. There is nothing wrong with banter. You should welcome a different point of view sometime.
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      Reply #60: May 23, 2009 09:33:37 pm
      We never in a million years said all Liverpool fans are whiter than whiter...but at least far more dignified than scum fans!

      That is exactly what amazes me, how more dignified? It exists only in your own head. Liverpool fans were guilty of some appalling songs and chants back in the day and you apparently trying to deny it won't change the FACT that it happened...
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      Reply #61: May 23, 2009 09:45:34 pm
      For gods sakes if you won the title you would glory in it and fair enough if you did we enjoy our title we sing our songs but not for one minute in my mind do I think yes F***ing Liverpool will be jealous .

      Yes I wont lie to you I was buzzing we drew level on titles but Im a realist I know your ready and waiting and stronger then ever so we have to be and if we win it again it will be with you hot on our tales because you have three special players in Gerrard , Torres and Alonso who can change a game in a second.

      Come on all us mancs arnt that bad I know loads of Liverpool fans I have no hatred at all its purely down to football on the day I want us to F***ing have you but the next day I hold no grudge plain and simple.
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      Reply #62: May 23, 2009 09:45:52 pm
      Listen  idiot , that was just one example of the filthy hatred from your scumbag fans, I hear it every time I go to o.t. Yes it used to happen at our place but like ive said .. weve progressed and are still by and far the best supporters in the world.. youre fans hatred has just festered.  And this is not bias  its just the way I see it honestly. Youll have your opinion obviously, but why dont you go and call us and brew your special brew of anti - scouse hate with the rest of them on your own sites.. and ill go on being an idiot hey! ;D

      OK Paul, "brew my special brew of anti-scouse hate"? Wow and I like scousers but self righeous statements like "we are still the best supporters in the world" just make me wonder, have you seen all the other fans in the world? Have you met ALL of them, have you shared a beer with ALL of them...

      We can be good fans but for anyone to say that such and such fans are bad fans is never going to be accurate. Everyone is an individual, there are some good fans and some bad fans of every team, Liverpool don't have the monopoly on good fans....
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      Reply #63: May 23, 2009 09:59:26 pm
      Immaturity, debating with opposition fans is great, and King Cantona, hasnt displayed any rudeness in his behaviour, he has argued his points from a different perspective and his contribution should be welcomed. There is nothing wrong with banter. You should welcome a different point of view sometime.
      I welcome debate with open arms but cannot for the life of me understand why a fan of another club comes on here trying unsuccessfully to defend his club when hie could be on his own clubs site having a go at us ! 
      I mean how much free time has he got F.F.S !. If I we're him I' D spend my time adoring my club not slating others !
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      Reply #64: May 23, 2009 10:05:49 pm
      I welcome debate with open arms but cannot for the life of me understand why a fan of another club comes on here trying unsuccessfully to defend his club when hie could be on his own clubs site having a go at us !  
      I mean how much free time has he got F.F.S !. If I we're him I' D spend my time adoring my club not slating others !


      Going on your own clubs' boards is boring, you may like just conversing with fellow Liverpool fans and just slagging off United morning, noon and night but some people wouldn't be interested, me for example...

      And by the way going on a United board having a go at you is probably the worst possible use of my time......

      I don't slate Liverpool anyway......
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      Reply #65: May 24, 2009 06:23:14 am


      Going on your own clubs' boards is boring, you may like just conversing with fellow Liverpool fans and just slagging off United morning, noon and night but some people wouldn't be interested, me for example...

      And by the way going on a United board having a go at you is possibly the worst possible use of my time......

      I don't slate Liverpool anyway......


      Nobody asked you to go on United's board start slagging us  .You can always discuss about your club,player and your illustrious history at any of the manc forum.Why not do that?
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      Reply #66: May 24, 2009 07:56:06 am
      OK Gavinox Im In Here For Mr King Cantona.

      AllRight M-A-N-K-E-R.

      So you really want to know why we will never be like you and reading an excerpt from the Mirror Online there is no f------ing way we would want to be like you.
      We think we have business problems with Hansel and Gretel?
      Well.
      We will probably get rid of them.

      Just for you. Last day of the season. Have a read of this little tome...

      (........Just as you finish your sentences.....)




      From the Mirror.Co.Uk

      You could do a lot worse than trying to make sense of Manchester United's yearly accounts (for the year leading up to June 2008) filed at London’s Company House .
      Fortunately for anyone who doesn’t want to do this, I’ve done it for you. It was a dirty job, and it was me what had to do it.
      The figures are dazzling, even blinding. Putting on my darkest sunglasses, this is the bit that sticks out.

      Despite a turnover of more than £250 million, the aptly named Red Devils incurred an operating loss of more than £26 million (after tax).

      This means that even in a year when the club won both the Premier League title and the Champions League – as well as progressing to the quarter finals of the FA Cup – they STILL couldn’t make any money !

      The organisation’s debts stand at almost £700 million!
      It seems dazzling to say this, but the so called world’s best football team, (sic) a side so good they play to packed stadia wherever they roam, provide a lousy business model for how to run a company.

      This, surely, is quite some carry-on.

      My favourite part of the report, though, comes when the group’s board of directors – whose eight members include more than six with the surname Glazer – claim that their stated aims are to ‘[Treat] fans as customers.’
      Customers, eh? Now that’s a novel approach. I wonder what other ways the club could have thought to treat those who pay to watch the team play?

      Animals, perhaps?

      Dupes and idiots?

      Prisoners?

      Actually that last one isn’t that wide of the mark.
      Money men in the safe-as-doll-houses world of the financial markets have a phrase to describe those of us who pay money to watch football.
      That phrase is ‘captive market.’
      Captive, as in not being free. YOU might call it loyalty, but THEY certainly do not.

      The notion that the club might start ‘treating fans as customers’ will surprise some Manchester United fans, especially the ones who have lodged an official complaint about the club with the Office Of Fair Trading.
      These fans allege that even though they are season ticket holders they can not get tickets for key games, such as last season’s Champions League semi final home leg against FC Barcelona.

      The question seems to be this: where is this all going to end?
      If MUFCPLC can’t make money in a season as successful as the last campaign then when will they make money?
      And how will they make it?
      Well, they’ll try to do it by squeezing the fans – the same fans that are described as being ‘captive’.

      If you are a regular at Old Trafford and you are currently feeling the pinch of a recession then chances are you’ll soon be feeling it that little bit more.
      Probably any day now, when you have to fork out for a new season ticket.
      Be warned: the club you love will completely take the piss out of you.

      Why?

      Because it thinks that it must and believes that it can.

      End




      So there you go K.C.

      Be like you.

      Never. Dream On.
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      Reply #67: May 24, 2009 10:14:35 am
      Good read eurored,

      How on earth can the 'best suported' team in the universe (sic) make an operating loss of £25m, after the season they had? Wages I guess.

      Did anyone at the 1-4 game see this on the menu?



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      Reply #68: May 24, 2009 10:44:19 am
       :lmao:

      Nice One RP
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      Reply #69: May 24, 2009 11:22:31 am
       ;D RedPuppy..

      Very interesting topic this, I can't add anything more pertinent. The distinction between fans and supporters is spot on. These days, the media hype to only focusing on  bad individuals and bad behavior is deforming the bigger picture, there are lot more good football people in stadiums then the media want us to believe...

      I also welcome fans from other clubs here, as long as they respect the Forum Rules like me, have no issues with that.
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      Re: Were we like the Mancs when we were ruling??
      Reply #70: May 24, 2009 11:33:06 am
      Yeah you got to know your limits. Don't want a stranger coming to your acting like he owns it right! There's a line that everybody should follow especially King Cantuna...
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      Reply #71: May 24, 2009 01:07:25 pm
      Can - Tuna  :lmao:


      Dont Forget What Rooney Looks Like Doing Pretty Boys Hair...

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      Reply #72: May 24, 2009 01:39:46 pm
      Yeah you got to know your limits. Don't want a stranger coming to your acting like he owns it right! There's a line that everybody should follow especially King Cantuna...

      I don't cross any line but many Liverpool fans do all the time...

      I am always respectful but am met with abuse and when I reply in kind I'm accused of crossing a line......

      Well pardon me for going in the the 70s and 80s and remembering it as it truly was instead of the rose tinted view you have of it....
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      Reply #73: May 24, 2009 03:09:13 pm
      OK Gavinox Im In Here For Mr King Cantona.

      AllRight M-A-N-K-E-R.

      So you really want to know why we will never be like you and reading an excerpt from the Mirror Online there is no f------ing way we would want to be like you.
      We think we have business problems with Hansel and Gretel?
      Well.
      We will probably get rid of them.

      Just for you. Last day of the season. Have a read of this little tome...

      (........Just as you finish your sentences.....)




      From the Mirror.Co.Uk

      You could do a lot worse than trying to make sense of Manchester United's yearly accounts (for the year leading up to June 2008) filed at London’s Company House .
      Fortunately for anyone who doesn’t want to do this, I’ve done it for you. It was a dirty job, and it was me what had to do it.
      The figures are dazzling, even blinding. Putting on my darkest sunglasses, this is the bit that sticks out.

      Despite a turnover of more than £250 million, the aptly named Red Devils incurred an operating loss of more than £26 million (after tax).

      This means that even in a year when the club won both the Premier League title and the Champions League – as well as progressing to the quarter finals of the FA Cup – they STILL couldn’t make any money !

      The organisation’s debts stand at almost £700 million!
      It seems dazzling to say this, but the so called world’s best football team, (sic) a side so good they play to packed stadia wherever they roam, provide a lousy business model for how to run a company.

      This, surely, is quite some carry-on.

      My favourite part of the report, though, comes when the group’s board of directors – whose eight members include more than six with the surname Glazer – claim that their stated aims are to ‘[Treat] fans as customers.’
      Customers, eh? Now that’s a novel approach. I wonder what other ways the club could have thought to treat those who pay to watch the team play?

      Animals, perhaps?

      Dupes and idiots?

      Prisoners?

      Actually that last one isn’t that wide of the mark.
      Money men in the safe-as-doll-houses world of the financial markets have a phrase to describe those of us who pay money to watch football.
      That phrase is ‘captive market.’
      Captive, as in not being free. YOU might call it loyalty, but THEY certainly do not.

      The notion that the club might start ‘treating fans as customers’ will surprise some Manchester United fans, especially the ones who have lodged an official complaint about the club with the Office Of Fair Trading.
      These fans allege that even though they are season ticket holders they can not get tickets for key games, such as last season’s Champions League semi final home leg against FC Barcelona.

      The question seems to be this: where is this all going to end?
      If MUFCPLC can’t make money in a season as successful as the last campaign then when will they make money?
      And how will they make it?
      Well, they’ll try to do it by squeezing the fans – the same fans that are described as being ‘captive’.

      If you are a regular at Old Trafford and you are currently feeling the pinch of a recession then chances are you’ll soon be feeling it that little bit more.
      Probably any day now, when you have to fork out for a new season ticket.
      Be warned: the club you love will completely take the piss out of you.

      Why?

      Because it thinks that it must and believes that it can.

      End




      So there you go K.C.

      Be like you.

      Never. Dream On.

      Manker?...........Oh I see what you did there, genius.... ::)....I guess you were educated at Oxford.....

      Thank you eurored, but what's your point? Yes you can ask any United fan about the Glazers and you will get the same opinion, we all hate 'em. A club that was never in debt has sold it's soul to the devil, when you're a PLC you lay yourself open to what happened, the Glazers acquired enough shares to make a takeover, they had to borrow most of the money so United are saddled with a huge debt, once again I ask, what's your point?......
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      Reply #74: May 24, 2009 03:21:08 pm

      Well pardon me for going in the the 70s and 80s and remembering it as it truly was instead of the rose tinted view you have of it....

      I can go into the Sixties.

      I can tell you exactly where I was on 13th December 1969.

      Meeting Mankers off the trains before the game...and I didnt have rose tinted glasses.
      Just a red and white scarf wrapped round my wrist.

      Id say the hatred is greater now for The Great Pretenders.

      Just like Ferrari moaning at F1 when the money doesnt work.. so will United implode when the tap is turned off.
      No. To repeat myself. We were never like you.

      Even if your Lord and Master Ferguson pulls off a third CL (European Cup) he will never be the gentleman and have the humility of Paisley.

      There is an old saying.

      Dont feel rich on borrowed money and THAT is where your quicksand success comes from.

      THAT is the point.
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      Reply #75: May 24, 2009 03:47:41 pm
      I can go into the Sixties.

      I can tell you exactly where I was on 13th December 1969.

      Meeting Mankers off the trains before the game...and I didnt have rose tinted glasses.
      Just a red and white scarf wrapped round my wrist.

      Id say the hatred is greater now for The Great Pretenders.

      Just like Ferrari moaning at F1 when the money doesnt work.. so will United implode when the tap is turned off.
      No. To repeat myself. We were never like you.

      Even if your Lord and Master Ferguson pulls off a third CL (European Cup) he will never be the gentleman and have the humility of Paisley.

      There is an old saying.

      Dont feel rich on borrowed money and THAT is where your quicksand success comes from.

      THAT is the point.


      The guy's in his 50s, unbelievable, if your point is that our success is built on a house of cards then I already know that. I have alluded to this fact before in other threads, unless the Glazers sell to some mega rich Arabs I can see our empire falling but I will just enjoy the moment......

      By the way I believe the hatred was FAR worse in the 70s and 80s....
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      Reply #76: May 24, 2009 04:10:40 pm
      Manker?...........Oh I see what you did there, genius.... ::)....I guess you were educated at Oxford.....

      NAH. Not Oxford.

      Prescot Grammar.

      Thats in Liverpool which you can find with a good Sat Nav.

      School Founded 1544.

      Burnt Down 1978.

      Wilkipedia states: " Until 1978 when it was the victim of an arson attack by a disturbed former pupil."

      Im afraid that wasnt me.
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      Reply #77: May 24, 2009 05:08:36 pm
      NAH. Not Oxford.

      Prescot Grammar.

      Thats in Liverpool which you can find with a good Sat Nav.

      School Founded 1544.

      Burnt Down 1978.

      Wilkipedia states: " Until 1978 when it was the victim of an arson attack by a disturbed former pupil."

      Im afraid that wasnt me.

      Go on, admit it............

      Confession's good for the soul.........;).........
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      Reply #78: May 24, 2009 06:20:54 pm
      When mankind first dragged itself from the primordial soup two variants became apparent within a single species. One tended to favour cooperation amoungst the group and lived its life according to a code of primitive nobility. The other was comprised on the whole of knob heads.  As these first humans set out to find themselves a home in which to settle, there paths tended to cross more and more. On occassion their genetic material would become mixed and, over time, a third group was seen to arise comprising the best and worst of the the other two groups. The first of these groups settled around what we now know as the city of Liverpool. The third, spread out throughout the land. The second founded the city of Manchester and have been drawing likeminded folks there ever since.  I swear I heard Tony Robinson on Time Team say this a few weeks back so it must be true.
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      Reply #79: May 24, 2009 06:24:16 pm
      When mankind first dragged itself from the primordial soup two variants became apparent within a single species. One tended to favour cooperation amoungst the group and lived its life according to a code of primitive nobility. The other was comprised on the whole of knob heads.  As these first humans set out to find themselves a home in which to settle, there paths tended to cross more and more. On occassion their genetic material would become mixed and, over time, a third group was seen to arise comprising the best and worst of the the other two groups. The first of these groups settled around what we now know as the city of Liverpool. The third, spread out throughout the land. The second founded the city of Manchester and have been drawing likeminded folks there ever since.  I swear I heard Tony Robinson on Time Team say this a few weeks back so it must be true.

      :lmao:

      What a post!
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      Reply #80: May 24, 2009 06:30:33 pm
      When mankind first dragged itself from the primordial soup two variants became apparent within a single species. One tended to favour cooperation amoungst the group and lived its life according to a code of primitive nobility. The other was comprised on the whole of knob heads.  As these first humans set out to find themselves a home in which to settle, there paths tended to cross more and more. On occassion their genetic material would become mixed and, over time, a third group was seen to arise comprising the best and worst of the the other two groups. The first of these groups settled around what we now know as the city of Liverpool. The third, spread out throughout the land. The second founded the city of Manchester and have been drawing likeminded folks there ever since.  I swear I heard Tony Robinson on Time Team say this a few weeks back so it must be true.

      Who knows......;)......
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      Reply #81: May 24, 2009 06:44:35 pm
      When mankind first dragged itself from the primordial soup two variants became apparent within a single species. One tended to favour cooperation amoungst the group and lived its life according to a code of primitive nobility. The other was comprised on the whole of knob heads.  As these first humans set out to find themselves a home in which to settle, there paths tended to cross more and more. On occassion their genetic material would become mixed and, over time, a third group was seen to arise comprising the best and worst of the the other two groups. The first of these groups settled around what we now know as the city of Liverpool. The third, spread out throughout the land. The second founded the city of Manchester and have been drawing likeminded folks there ever since.  I swear I heard Tony Robinson on Time Team say this a few weeks back so it must be true.

      CLASSIC !  :lmao:

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