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      Re: Formula 1
      Reply #4080: Sep 17, 2017 02:18:06 pm
      race on now, go go go
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      Reply #4081: Sep 17, 2017 02:48:54 pm
      That 30 lap stint on the inters by Hamilton is one of the finest stints of racing/tyre management I have ever seen.

      In the wet no one can touch him, not even the great Senna could beat him in my opinion. Verstappen good in wets though. Ricciardo on fresher inters couldnt get near him
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      Reply #4082: Sep 17, 2017 03:08:07 pm
       :clap: :clap: :champ: :champ: Hammer time again. Big moment this with Vettel getting no points. I love wet conditions coz he will always have a edge over his competitors.
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      Reply #4083: Sep 17, 2017 03:11:21 pm
      Sheer perfection. His best drive of the year in my opinion.

      Really good drives throughout by so many drivers today who showed the track respect in tough conditions but Lewis was on another level today. Love watching him navigate these type of races.
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      Reply #4084: Sep 17, 2017 03:12:49 pm
      How low can Ferrari go tweeting Vanstappen at fault.  :f_steam:
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      Reply #4085: Sep 17, 2017 03:13:02 pm
      In the wet no one can touch him, not even the great Senna could beat him in my opinion. Verstappen good in wets though. Ricciardo on fresher inters couldnt get near him

      Personally think it will he hard for anyone to top Schumacher's wet weather drive in Spain 96 (in a right dog of a Ferrari as well!) but no doubt Lewis is up there with Senna and Michael in wet conditions.
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      Reply #4086: Sep 17, 2017 03:16:03 pm
      Personally think it will he hard for anyone to top Schumacher's wet weather drive in Spain 96 (in a right dog of a Ferrari as well!) but no doubt Lewis is up there with Senna and Michael in wet conditions.

      I remember it well frankly and it was a owesome drive. What a match it would be watching the two in wet conditions.
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      Reply #4087: Sep 17, 2017 03:22:53 pm
      Class from Lewis today.
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      Reply #4088: Sep 17, 2017 03:25:59 pm
      How low can Ferrari go tweeting Vanstappen at fault.  :f_steam:

      Heard Karun Chandhok say that on Channel 4. Ridiculous really.
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      Reply #4089: Sep 17, 2017 03:35:37 pm
      Keep forgetting how mortifying this is for Vettel and Ferrari. Narrative for the last two weeks was how this would be a stroll for them and damage limitation for Lewis. Only intensified after quali yesterday.

      There are moments in a season where you think - that's the defining point ala Hamilton's engine blow in Malaysia last year. This season will have to go some to provide a more critical moment. Can't say it won't happen though! Still A LOT to race for.
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      Reply #4090: Sep 17, 2017 09:37:51 pm
      Did anyone catch Guy Martin's documentary on his Belgian GP weekend as a member of Williams's pitcrew?

      Brilliant. Makes you respect the job those guys do a hundred times more. I'd love to follow a Grand Prix from their perspective.
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      Reply #4091: Sep 17, 2017 10:01:08 pm
      Did anyone catch Guy Martin's documentary on his Belgian GP weekend as a member of Williams's pitcrew?

      Brilliant. Makes you respect the job those guys do a hundred times more. I'd love to follow a Grand Prix from their perspective.

      Didn't see it mate.
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      Reply #4092: Sep 17, 2017 10:40:18 pm
      Can't believe no repercussions for Vettel.  :f_steam:  He's steers violently to the left to block Vanstappen and nothing done about it. The team ( Ferrari ) then have the ordasity to blame Vanstappen who was sandwiched through no fault of his own.  :f_steam: I can only think reason why he didn't receive some type of penalty it would of all but sealed Hammy wining the Championship again.
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      Reply #4093: Sep 17, 2017 10:54:13 pm
      Can't believe no repercussions for Vettel.  :f_steam:  He's steers violently to the left to block Vanstappen and nothing done about it. The team ( Ferrari ) then have the ordasity to blame Vanstappen who was sandwiched through no fault of his own.  :f_steam: I can only think reason why he didn't receive some type of penalty it would of all but sealed Hammy wining the Championship again.

      Perhaps that was the reasoning but I'm personally glad they didn't punish Seb and totally agree with it. In fairness to Seb I don't think he knew Kimi had made such a great start and was to the left of Max. And also I don't want to see drivers penalised for moving left or right because I think defence at the start is an important part of racing and if we were to scorn upon it then it would sanitise racing.

      Never do I want to see the sport go back to the sort of summery punishments for non existant/minor misdemeanours that seemed to be a common part of the sport when Max Mosley was President of the FIA. I'll never forget the sheer fradulent way they took a perfectly legitimate win away from Lewis Hamilton at the 2008 Belgian GP.

      But I totally agree with you regarding Ferrari's tweet - bang out of order and just false!
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      Reply #4094: Sep 28, 2017 10:49:57 pm
      It's the last ever Malaysian Grand Prix this weekend. I'm genuinely very sad about it! For me it holds an extra special place in my heart seeing that as a 10 year old kid getting up early on a Sunday morning, it was this race back in 2001 that helped turn me from a fan of f1 into a pure fanatic of the sport (and Michael Schumacher). So how fitting is it that F1 have decided to upload that monsoon extravaganza in it's entirety for everyone to enjoy. Murray Walker, V10s blasting, the stark yellow Benson and Hedges Jordan (!!) and more - perfect!

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rr0JEltbQUg

      p.s - happy birthday to the Flying Finn Mika Hakkinen! 49 today!
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      Reply #4095: Sep 30, 2017 11:12:48 am
      Another pole, that will do nicely  ;D Providing Vettel get his motor sorted i still think he will finish in the top 6/7
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      Reply #4096: Sep 30, 2017 07:39:36 pm
      Sounds like Hamilton took off the unworkable aero updates from yesterday with Bottas keeping them on hence the gap between the two. Regardless, an excellent effort sill by Hamilton to get pole. It will be interesting to see the race pace of Kimi tomorrow though and it promises to be a fascinating race start. I'm sure Vettel can make up a chunk of places and score a good points finish even in a fully dry race - a lot of work though to turn this around as it stands.
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      Reply #4097: Oct 01, 2017 10:59:10 am
      Well it looked like damage limitation today for Hammy as he certainly didn't have the race pace so 2nd was a great score for him. Vettel ( hate to admit it  ;D ) road a stunning race. Verstappen was in his element and fully deserved his race victory.

      Did you notice the alarming amount of water/ sugar drinks he needed after the race though? Every time he was on camera he was downing bucket loads. That race took plenty out of him as he also incurred neck problems. I know this is one of the toughest circuits but still a concern.
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      Reply #4098: Oct 01, 2017 11:43:39 am
      Well it looked like damage limitation today for Hammy as he certainly didn't have the race pace so 2nd was a great score for him. Vettel ( hate to admit it  ;D ) road a stunning race. Verstappen was in his element and fully deserved his race victory.

      Did you notice the alarming amount of water/ sugar drinks he needed after the race though? Every time he was on camera he was downing bucket loads. That race took plenty out of him as he also incurred neck problems. I know this is one of the toughest circuits but still a concern.

      Looking at Bottas it seems Hamilton outperformed that car to a degree. No doubt if Ferrari didn't have the issues this weekend that he'd probably have finished outside the podium places. To have come out of this race with an extended lead in the championship on a weekend when Vettel and Ferrari were almost a second faster (Seb was supreme in that race) than the Mercs is monumental in it's fortune but also Hamilton's ability to make the most of the deficiencies they had this weekend.

      And yeah - what about those drinks disappearing rapidly?! Apparently they lose 3kg in weight through water loss duong this race.

      Even the commentators were noticing Max's wilting head towards the end of the race. This is when they earn their money. 3-4 layers of fireproof clothing, sitting in a cockpit pulsing with heat and energy of plus 40 degrees, pulling multiple g forces, in hot, humid sticky Malaysia is worth the multiple million pound contract these drivers earn! :D

      I think it was Alonso (or was it Trulli? Sure it was a Renault driver) years ago during Schumacher's era not making the podium because he had to be carted off to the hospital and put on a drip such was his dehydration! Probably one of the most physically demanding challenges in sport. That so many finished the race and raced relatively cleanly is testament to ther ability.

      Edit: Vettel's gearbox could be bust after that bizarre crash with Stroll on the slowing down lap. Could mean a 5 place grid penalty next week at Suzuka.
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      I think it was Alonso (or was it Trulli? Sure it was a Renault driver) years ago during Schumacher's era not making the podium because he had to be carted off to the hospital and put on a drip such was his dehydration! Probably one of the most physically demanding challenges in sport. That so many finished the race and raced relatively cleanly is testament to ther ability.

      Edit: Vettel's gearbox could be bust after that bizarre crash with Stroll on the slowing down lap. Could mean a 5 place grid penalty next week at Suzuka.

      Re Alonso/Trulli i cant remember mate. Fingers crossed a new gearbox  :lmao:
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      Reply #4100: Oct 02, 2017 08:34:13 am
      Listening to Hammys comments after the race has left me really concerned for the remainder of the year and more importantly next! He states with the new changes with Ferrari & Red Bull Mercedes are currently miles behind.  :f_wah:

      Frankly/ Racer, have you guys any idea what the problem is?
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      Reply #4101: Oct 02, 2017 08:38:35 am
      Listening to Hammys comments after the race has left me really concerned for the remainder of the year and more importantly next! He states with the new changes with Ferrari & Red Bull Mercedes are currently miles behind.  :f_wah:

      Frankly/ Racer, have you guys any idea what the problem is?

      Race pace, Merc have been caught up by Ferrari & Redbull but I think Merc have an ace up their sleeves with future upgrades...

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      Reply #4102: Oct 02, 2017 12:52:35 pm
      Race pace, Merc have been caught up by Ferrari & Redbull but I think Merc have an ace up their sleeves with future upgrades...



      Please god your right Shabs
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      Reply #4103: Oct 05, 2017 07:06:59 pm
      Listening to Hammys comments after the race has left me really concerned for the remainder of the year and more importantly next! He states with the new changes with Ferrari & Red Bull Mercedes are currently miles behind.  :f_wah:

      Frankly/ Racer, have you guys any idea what the problem is?

      Something I've thought about quite a lot recently. Since Hungary it's fair to say that Mercedes have only really been outright the fastest car in Italy. From what I recall even in Belgium, when Lewis beat Seb in a straight fight, the Ferrari was arguably the fastest on race day. And yet in that space of time Lewis has opened up a very handy lead in the championship - that says quite a lot about Lewis!

      As for Malaysia - there were far more legitimate questions to be asked given the high expectations set for them on that circuit. Mercedes screwed up a bit on the Friday of the Malaysian GP with a set of aero updates that didn't work. That pretty much lost them the whole of Friday. On top of that it's been said that the Mercs struggle to make their tyres work in hot conditions and given Malaysia's extreme conditions that might also have been a reason.

      Mercedes and Hamilton are probably playing up their problems a bit in order to not allow complacency to seep in and are right to do so. That said it is remarkable just how diva like the Merc car is! When all things are right it's peak is higher than the rest by far (as shown by the performances at Silverstone and Italy) but it's capable of putting some stinkers in as shown in Malaysia and Bottas's struggles. The Ferrari by comparison seems a more consistent car across all circuits.

      What Lewis has to do is just keep scoring good podiums. Time to start playing the percentages. Thanks to the maximum engine mode, the car is still an absolute beast over one lap so that'll surely help in giving grid position at the start. Aside from that take a leaf out of Nico's book from last year when he stayed out of trouble and only had to finish second to Lewis in the last few races of the season...and did with ease.

      Edit: credit to Bottas for pursuing with the faulty aero updates in Malaysia. The extra data brought in with him running themcould only have helped the team in getting to understand them a bit better. Great team work by Valtarri.
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      Reply #4104: Oct 08, 2017 07:35:03 am
      Happy Hammy Days  :clap: :champ:
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      Reply #4105: Oct 08, 2017 08:59:22 am
      What a HUGE result and what a drastic turnaround in the championship in just three races. Part self inflicted by Vettel and Ferrari (which is a shame because loads wanted to see it neck and neck) but it also says something about Lewis's immense maturity and relentlessness that he is able to capitalise on it. And it's the least he deserves because he's driving better than he's ever done. If he can win this title he'll enter a realm only Senna and Schumacher have occupied in the last 30 years. This would be his greatest title win (Seb vice versa) if he does make it.
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      Reply #4106: Oct 08, 2017 10:17:26 am
      Fat lady not singing just yet but feeling good.  ;D Won't be long before Verstappen joins him as world champion at some stage. For me he's the next Hamilton.
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      Reply #4107: Oct 08, 2017 11:58:41 am
      Fat lady not singing just yet but feeling good.  ;D Won't be long before Verstappen joins him as world champion at some stage. For me he's the next Hamilton.

      He has that ominous quality about him that Schumacher and Alonso had in that the established really fear his talent. I've never believed this about any other driver but I really believe he can be as good as Schumacher which is a scary thought!


      Lots of rumours at the moment that he could end up at Mercedes in 2019.
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      Reply #4108: Oct 08, 2017 12:26:47 pm
      He has that ominous quality about him that Schumacher and Alonso had in that the established really fear his talent. I've never believed this about any other driver but I really believe he can be as good as Schumacher which is a scary thought!


      Lots of rumours at the moment that he could end up at Mercedes in 2019.

      Wouldn't surprise me as he's the future of the current crop that are coming through. He can command the best car the way he's performing on the circuit.
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      Reply #4109: Oct 12, 2017 02:13:27 pm
      Kubica to Williams could actually happen it seems.

      https://twitter.com/Rowlinson_F1/status/918458148930883584

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